And as we can see from AO, Funcom understands the correct way to implement these kinds of things when they need to anyway: Base game for free, nothing in the item shop with stats....IE only cosmetic items that have NO impact on the game.
Even in AoC's "unlimited trial", it's just Tortage and the surrounding areas. It's a classic MMORPG trial system, but without any time limit.
Which is...wait for it... the exact same system that Turbine has here, and which you're whining about.
So in other words, it's okay for Funcom to do it, but as soon as Turbine does the same thing, it's the end of the world?
You know, if he just actually READ the things he's completely ignorant of, the whole argument would have been void. I assume that would be too much of a loss of face
It's so simple though: if someone is a lifer, or remains a subscriber, nothing will change. Those will have access to everything. EVERYHING. Turbine also made a promise that even with insane amount of F2P investment, those characters should never be more powerful (with stats items) than subscribers and lifetimers. That's the only way they can go anyway, w/o completely driving the old community nuts
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
It will probably be a huge fun though running around in the AoC board waving a 10 foot board saying "I told you so"... will be hard to resist
Maybe I will resist it anyway, partly because I hate trolling, but also because I'm not exactly in favor of F2P models either. But sometimes it doesn't make sense to piss against the wind...
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
Actually.....no. I can't go back and play vanilla WoW. It's not an option. I can't go back and play UO as it was originally either, although i think there should be options to DO just that. I know a lot of people that would play on a Vanilla WoW Only server.
Well I loathe WOW in general so I won't comment about that but I do miss the pre-trammel UO and wish that they hadn't split the game up like that.
As far as with LotRO....they sold a PAY TO PLAY MMO. It does sound like, to me, that they are doing a FAR better job providing OPTIONS for players, however, at least from what they're saying...it appears so. It doesn't SOUND like the game itself will change much, although...you know as well as I do....the community WILL. And one of the greatest things ABOUT LotRO was its community. So people do have a right to be pissed. My fruit analogy was more directed at WoW and other games that change SO MUCH over the course of time that they're not even recognizable as the same game other than by the art style alone.
WOW is a perfect example of how P2P is not a barrier to the presence of bad elements in a community. WOW is considered to have one of the worst communities of all MMO's whether F2P or P2P. To satisfy my own curriosity the other night I fired up DDO to see what the community was like and to me it seemed that it was very friendly for the few hours I was running around checking it out. I'm sure at first there will be a large volume of undesireables but once they get bored and move on it will calm down and things will mostly go back to normal. Beyond that the freebs will mostly be limited to the starter areas so veteran players will have little interaction with them anyways.
And personally...I don't think WoW is "another kind of apple" than what was first released. It's an entirely different FRUIT now...like I said. I paid for an orange "delivery service" (if you must)....now THEY decide that I'm going to get pineapples instead. Oh sure....they'll still deliver them, but it's not going to be the fruit delivery service I signed up for, because now....THEY are deciding what fruit I should pay for every month. So....I moved to a new orchard. Fuck Blizzard. I don't want my fruit having cross server "tools" and crap like that. I want the community the game started with....probably the same thing that most LotRO players will be longing for by about this time next year. A pity really.
WOW has always been and still is a solo-focused and gear dependent game, the community has always been weak because the nature of the game encourages it. And here I said I wasn't going to rant about WOW. My bad.
And yes....I KNOW my analogies are always "flawed" (to the snobbier folks around here). They're not meant to be perfect, they're meant to explain an emotion, an opinion, or a perception that I have. They're not going to be perfectly crafted collegiate studies in analogy....
So....bottom line is....we just disagree. No biggie.
LOTRO's system is a way to get people to spend a fortune on micro transactions to unlock content....IE, a money-grab.
Er, no. It's a three-tiered system that gives a player options-- play for free, play for free with microtransactions, or play with a paid monthly subscription. Ultimately, it all comes down to the player and what they're willing to pay. I don't know why this is such a difficult concept to understand.
Also, again -- expect to see this type of system more in the future. Games are expensive as hell to design and develop now. Relying on $15/month subs alone for your income isn't enough anymore. And because Funcom has already introduced a cash shop system into one game, that shows they're not averse to introducing one into another if they feel it's needed. Don't be shocked if one goes into AoC someday.
And as we can see from AO, Funcom understands the correct way to implement these kinds of things when they need to anyway: Base game for free, nothing in the item shop with stats....IE only cosmetic items that have NO impact on the game.
Even in AoC's "unlimited trial", it's just Tortage and the surrounding areas. It's a classic MMORPG trial system, but without any time limit.
Which is...wait for it... the exact same system that Turbine has here, and which you're whining about.
So in other words, it's okay for Funcom to do it, but as soon as Turbine does the same thing, it's the end of the world?
You know, if he just actually READ the things he's completely ignorant of, the whole argument would have been void. I assume that would be too much of a loss of face
It's so simple though: if someone is a lifer, or remains a subscriber, nothing will change. Those will have access to everything. EVERYHING. Turbine also made a promise that even with insane amount of F2P investment, those characters should never be more powerful (with stats items) than subscribers and lifetimers. That's the only way they can go anyway, w/o completely driving the old community nuts
DB
Not only did I read about it, I also comprehended it. And I see the difference between business model A and business model B.
You either don't, or are too busy adding spin to things to try to make them appear as something they are not.
AND.....weather you are a lifer or not in LOTRO, you're still going to have to deal with the kind of community that a F2P model brings in. One of the main reasons people enjoyed LOTRO and stayed with it was the community, and that's about to be trashed.
You can try painting the whole thing rainbow colors, and try to claim it's something that it's not, but that does not change the fact that this is a weak, transparant money-grab, and a defilement of what was a good game, with a great community.
Turbine also made a promise that even with insane amount of F2P investment, those characters should never be more powerful (with stats items) than subscribers and lifetimers. That's the only way they can go anyway, w/o completely driving the old community nuts
This has been pointed out repeatedly, but it's had zero effect.
Someone can go through and buy out the entire cash shop for LOTRO and *still* not come close to what a paid subscriber gets out of the game, or what they can do in the game world. For all the bleating and crying about microtransactions around here, it's really not the smartest strategy at all. The best play option is to start as a free player, and if you like the game enough, subscribe to it -- just like EVERY OTHER P2P MMO ON THE MARKET.
Still, some people are dead set on predicting doom and gloom and the end of LOTRO forever because of this instead of actually looking at the big picture.
Your little pet AoC will be one of the first ones to jump. Especially after they see what revenue increase F2P will do to Lotro.
DB
LOL....I doubt it, bud.
Besides, AoC already has an "unlimited trial", where players can play Tortage (up to lvl 20) and surrounding areas all they want for free. Seems to be working fine.
And...I highly doubt that LOTRO will see a revenue increase. In fact, I'm betting on the opposite...but time will tell there.
I mean...Turbine / WB did just give the finger to 300k players. That ALWAYS has good results, right??
Edit: F2P models are for games that are tanking...not games that are doing well, and growing. On that note, I wouldn't be surprised to see your beloved Fallen Earth offering crafting recipes in an item mall before too long here.
I hope you DO realize, that this only underlines my sentiment? Almost all games are going this direction. I give AoC maximum 6 months.
BTW, Lotro's F2P option is precisely what AoC's unlimited trial is: an unlimited trial with VERY limited availability (max level 25, no mounts, only 3 regions etc.)
You keep confirming all my ideas. By all means, continue!
DB
No, not at all. If AoC were going to do any of this crap, they would have done it already, when the game was struggling.
And as we can see from AO, Funcom understands the correct way to implement these kinds of things when they need to anyway : Base game for free, nothing in the item shop with stats....IE only cosmetic items that have NO impact on the game. -
You DO know, that it will be exactly the same in Lotro? No, you obviously don't Base game for free, nothing in the item shop with stats...
Even in AoC's "unlimited trial", it's just Tortage and the surrounding areas. It's a classic MMORPG trial system, but without any time limit.
Lotro's unlimited trial is just the 3 starting areas. It's a classic MMORPG trial system, but without any time limit.
The difference here is, there's no little "BUY NOW!" icons on quest NPCs and zones......you want to play the rest of the game, you buy it, and sub. There's ONE game to buy, not multiple tiers....there's ONE sub to pay...not multiple tiers.
The difference between Lotro's future F2P option and the unchangedsubscriber/lifer option is that for the latter there's no little "BUY NOW!" icons on quest NPCs and zones......you want to play the rest of the game, you buy it, and sub....there's ONE sub to pay...not multiple tiers.
Oh no, wait. If you are a lifer or a founder, you can use your Extra bonus points to pay for expansions -instead of RL money. So it's cheaper for the Lotro subber than for an AoC subber to have all content. Hmmm....
No nickle-and-diming the customers to death.
Yep, none of that in Lotro, except for that with AoC, to pay for extensions, your only option is to pay with real money for extensions, unlike Lotro's founder and lifetimer options.
Again, I strongly advise you to actually read Turbine's announcement before you open yourself to even more frustration and embarrasment
Or, you can still continue, i already said I am enjoying it, didn't expect that you actually will continue
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Do you know how much a lifetime sub cost?? How the FUCK is that cheaper?
It will probably be a huge fun though running around in the AoC board waving a 10 foot board saying "I told you so"... will be hard to resist
Maybe I will resist it anyway, partly because I hate trolling, but also because I'm not exactly in favor of F2P models either. But sometimes it doesn't make sense to piss against the wind...
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What, because my prediction of FE having a cash shop came true within hours of my making it??
Forget it. AoC is staying the way it is.
And if I'm wrong, I have no problem with you saying "I told you so"....I can take my own medicine.
Do you know how much a lifetime sub cost?? How the FUCK is that cheaper?
Mine paid for itself after the first year the game was live. As a long-term investment in a game, it's actually a fairly cheap value.
$199 for a lifetime sub vs. $15/month for a paid sub -- the Lifetime works out to just over 13 months of paid time. If you can see yourself playing a game for more than a year, it's cheaper and easier in the long run to buy a Lifetime sub than it is to pay monthly, or bother with microtransactions.
Do you know how much a lifetime sub cost?? How the FUCK is that cheaper?
Mine paid for itself after the first year the game was live. As a long-term investment in a game, it's actually a fairly cheap value.
$199 for a lifetime sub vs. $15/month for a paid sub -- the Lifetime works out to just over 13 months of paid time. If you can see yourself playing a game for more than a year, it's cheaper and easier in the long run to buy a Lifetime sub than it is to pay monthly, or bother with microtransactions.
Don't bother making sense with him, will find something else to spin again... or pick a different subject altogether
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
AND.....weather you are a lifer or not in LOTRO, you're still going to have to deal with the kind of community that a F2P model brings in. One of the main reasons people enjoyed LOTRO and stayed with it was the community, and that's about to be trashed.
Although we had not yet even touched this issue (community) in the argument between us, I give it that this is the only area where your reasoning has not been proven false, so I perfectly understand why you brought it into the conversion.
I have to give it to you, this might be the only area where you *can* have a hint of truth. F2P will possibly bring a bunch of jerks into the game.
However, it will not impact the existing community in almost any ways, since (as said), the F2P will be limited to max level 25. Everyone on the current community is way above that.
Yes, those who start in F2P will still have an option to buy extra content, and level up to cap. Although this will probably cost them more than a normal sub where they could do that as well. So, the question arises... does the method of payment determine the "quality" of a player regarding his/her influence on the community, if he/she pays just as much in either option A (sub) or option B (cash shop)?
A fairly interesting debate. If I were such omnipotent that I could also say "I will not be wrong", I might knew the answer. But I don't
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
And as we can see from AO, Funcom understands the correct way to implement these kinds of things when they need to anyway: Base game for free, nothing in the item shop with stats....IE only cosmetic items that have NO impact on the game.
Even in AoC's "unlimited trial", it's just Tortage and the surrounding areas. It's a classic MMORPG trial system, but without any time limit.
Which is...wait for it... the exact same system that Turbine has here, and which you're whining about.
So in other words, it's okay for Funcom to do it, but as soon as Turbine does the same thing, it's the end of the world?
You know, if he just actually READ the things he's completely ignorant of, the whole argument would have been void. I assume that would be too much of a loss of face
It's so simple though: if someone is a lifer, or remains a subscriber, nothing will change. Those will have access to everything. EVERYHING. Turbine also made a promise that even with insane amount of F2P investment, those characters should never be more powerful (with stats items) than subscribers and lifetimers. That's the only way they can go anyway, w/o completely driving the old community nuts
DB
Not only did I read about it, I also comprehended it. And I see the difference between business model A and business model B.
So far, so good. Now the next thing for you to realize, that Lotro will be offering BOTH.
Soon, maybe you will understand this too
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
This seems to be true, and I am thankful for it. Soon you will see me loitering around with a lute in hand, and hoping not paying a dime to do so.
So will at least 30,000 other chucklefucks playing elves named "Rikky Martian" smashing the "1" button FURIOUSLY while teabagging a hobbit in just about every starter area. Hope you enjoyed the community while it lasted guys!
While on the one hand you are probably quite right going free to play will bring in some unsavory immature types but luckily there are things like name filters,chat filters, and an ignore key as well. Paying fifteen dollars a month for a game doesn't qualify anyone in my opinion as someone I would want to play with. I played LOTRO for maybe a year and a half total so far in my playing time and I have only once ever got into it with someone who I thought was being a jerk and even after that time we both spoke to each other and apologized for our actions towards each other but truth be told I could put up with having a few more knocks to have a more robust population and giving others the chance to experience what I think right now is the best story driven mmo on the market.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
Do you know how much a lifetime sub cost?? How the FUCK is that cheaper?
Mine paid for itself after the first year the game was live. As a long-term investment in a game, it's actually a fairly cheap value.
$199 for a lifetime sub vs. $15/month for a paid sub -- the Lifetime works out to just over 13 months of paid time. If you can see yourself playing a game for more than a year, it's cheaper and easier in the long run to buy a Lifetime sub than it is to pay monthly, or bother with microtransactions.
Don't bother making sense with him, will find something else to spin again... or pick a different subject altogether
DB
Lidane is NOT making sense.....just excuses.
"oh well, I already got my money's worth anyway" is the attitude of a kicked dog with it's tail between it's legs.
People paid for a lifetime sub for ONE type of game, and now it's becoming another.
It's like buying a life-lease into a nice housing community, and having them suddenly turned into low-income housing.
However, it will not impact the existing community in almost any ways, since (as said), the F2P will be limited to max level 25. Everyone on the current community is way above that.
Oh stop. you know better than this.
You mean to TRY to tell me that at later levels, you never go to Bree?? You never roll an alt??
Like it or not, you're going to have to deal with these "freebs" (almost like a "freep", but not quite) if you intend to play the game.
I just went to lotro.com and almost puked.... Some one please tell me this is a joke. My weekend has just been ruined.
Welcome to s h i t happens. As a lifetime member I have been told how good I will have it. But I have been told so many time show thing will be and then get something different.
Lets just say this I am not amused. I hope it blows up in turbines face, however after a week of posting on lotro seams most of the negative stuff has been pruned and locked. All that exist now are the turbine appologist, adn those going tubine can do no wrong.
Oh well its nice to watch anther mmo producer make my list of I will never deal with again. Turbine, and Cryptic are now on my ban list.
I just went to lotro.com and almost puked.... Some one please tell me this is a joke. My weekend has just been ruined.
Welcome to s h i t happens. As a lifetime member I have been told how good I will have it. But I have been told so many time show thing will be and then get something different.
Lets just say this I am not amused. I hope it blows up in turbines face, however after a week of posting on lotro seams most of the negative stuff has been pruned and locked. All that exist now are the turbine appologist, adn those going tubine can do no wrong.
Oh well its nice to watch anther mmo producer make my list of I will never deal with again. Turbine, and Cryptic are now on my ban list.
Well, I'm also a lifetimer. And I'm still having a great time playing lotro. I really don't give a shit it goes 'f2p' cause it isn't really free to play, you have to pay if you want to get past bree...
I don't understand why people are so upset with this new playing model.
Please explain to me why it is such a bad move of turbine, help me to understand, so I can also troll a bid about how bad turbine is.
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I just went to lotro.com and almost puked.... Some one please tell me this is a joke. My weekend has just been ruined.
Welcome to s h i t happens. As a lifetime member I have been told how good I will have it. But I have been told so many time show thing will be and then get something different.
Lets just say this I am not amused. I hope it blows up in turbines face, however after a week of posting on lotro seams most of the negative stuff has been pruned and locked. All that exist now are the turbine appologist, adn those going tubine can do no wrong.
Oh well its nice to watch anther mmo producer make my list of I will never deal with again. Turbine, and Cryptic are now on my ban list.
Well, I'm also a lifetimer. And I'm still having a great time playing lotro. I really don't give a shit it goes 'f2p' cause it isn't really free to play, you have to pay if you want to get past bree...
I don't understand why people are so upset with this new playing model.
Please explain to me why it is such a bad move of turbine, help me to understand, so I can also troll a bid about how bad turbine is.
No amount of explaining it is going to actually explain it, I'm afraid.
Instead, I'll just say that all will become apparent in time.
I'm sick to death of trying to explain all of the negative ways that these changes will impact this once excellent game. So what I'll do instead is just sit back with popcorn and watch the whole thing unfold.
I just went to lotro.com and almost puked.... Some one please tell me this is a joke. My weekend has just been ruined.
Welcome to s h i t happens. As a lifetime member I have been told how good I will have it. But I have been told so many time show thing will be and then get something different.
Lets just say this I am not amused. I hope it blows up in turbines face, however after a week of posting on lotro seams most of the negative stuff has been pruned and locked. All that exist now are the turbine appologist, adn those going tubine can do no wrong.
Oh well its nice to watch anther mmo producer make my list of I will never deal with again. Turbine, and Cryptic are now on my ban list.
Well, I'm also a lifetimer. And I'm still having a great time playing lotro. I really don't give a shit it goes 'f2p' cause it isn't really free to play, you have to pay if you want to get past bree...
I don't understand why people are so upset with this new playing model.
Please explain to me why it is such a bad move of turbine, help me to understand, so I can also troll a bid about how bad turbine is.
No amount of explaining it is going to actually explain it, I'm afraid.
Instead, I'll just say that all will become apparent in time.
I'm sick to death of trying to explain all of the negative ways that these changes will impact this once excellent game. So what I'll do instead is just sit back with popcorn and watch the whole thing unfold.
oke, have fun eating popcorn and getting fat, I will be ingame playing, have fun and also getting fat
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I just went to lotro.com and almost puked.... Some one please tell me this is a joke. My weekend has just been ruined.
Welcome to s h i t happens. As a lifetime member I have been told how good I will have it. But I have been told so many time show thing will be and then get something different.
Lets just say this I am not amused. I hope it blows up in turbines face, however after a week of posting on lotro seams most of the negative stuff has been pruned and locked. All that exist now are the turbine appologist, adn those going tubine can do no wrong.
Oh well its nice to watch anther mmo producer make my list of I will never deal with again. Turbine, and Cryptic are now on my ban list.
Well, I'm also a lifetimer. And I'm still having a great time playing lotro. I really don't give a shit it goes 'f2p' cause it isn't really free to play, you have to pay if you want to get past bree...
I don't understand why people are so upset with this new playing model.
Please explain to me why it is such a bad move of turbine, help me to understand, so I can also troll a bid about how bad turbine is.
It's only been covered like a million times in the past few weeks on these forums. Because of your foolish behaviour of willingly opening your wallet up even further now, we are all going to have to do the same in the furture whether we like it or not. The companies behind our mmos are currently testing the waters to see just how far people will allow them to go. The message we've been sending them is we might actually be willing to go so far as to accept Eastern style payment plans.
Many of us were happy paying a monthly sub and sometimes a box cost. This is fair.
There is a reason why Coca-Cola quickly reverted their pop formula back to the original under the name of Coca-Cola Classic, after an attempt to introduce "the new taste of Coca-Cola". It sucked. And many people recognized this. Unfortunately for us, it's a little more difficult for some to foresee the final outcome of our mmo payment plan situation, than it was for Coke lovers back in 1985 to be aware of how awful it tasted.
These payment plans are not designed to make the games a superior product. Their only purpose is to squeeze the sponge, and to keep on squeezing until you say enough. Ideally we could have stopped this quite easily in the not-so- distant past, but at this point it could very well be too late already.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Well, I'm also a lifetimer. And I'm still having a great time playing lotro. I really don't give a shit it goes 'f2p' cause it isn't really free to play, you have to pay if you want to get past bree...
I don't understand why people are so upset with this new playing model.
Please explain to me why it is such a bad move of turbine, help me to understand, so I can also troll a bid about how bad turbine is.
No amount of explaining it is going to actually explain it, I'm afraid.
Instead, I'll just say that all will become apparent in time.
I'm sick to death of trying to explain all of the negative ways that these changes will impact this once excellent game. So what I'll do instead is just sit back with popcorn and watch the whole thing unfold.
Ha!
I'm kind of doing that with the Earth. I cared so much for my entire life about this damn planet and it was breaking my heart to see how the majority of the "walking monkeys" on it felt entitled to treat it like a POS.
Now I'm literally sitting back and lmao at anything new that comes up (I'm currently being entertained by BP. Keep saving as many barrels as you can guys, fine work!). People seem to enjoy making things worse for themselves, we might as well laugh at them as it happens.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
People paid for a lifetime sub for ONE type of game, and now it's becoming another.
No matter how many times you repeat it, the game itself has not changed. It is still the same game, and will remain the same game once this new business model goes live.
I'm not the one making excuses. I'm also not predicting the end of the world. I'm just the one who merely sees a company applying a successful price model from one game to another.
When I saw the news my reaction was Wow, well done for having the balls to do it.
Lets be clear here LOTRO never got the sub numbers it needed to play out the plan that Turbine wanted, they know that and we know that.
Since release the game has been on a very slow but steady decline and will only get worse when games like GW2 and KOTOR come out. The ONLY option Turbine had was to convert it to F2P - thats the ONLY way this game has a hope of reaching Mordor ...and even then its a slim hope...
I figured it would happen eventually, and I'm pleasently pleased that it has happened now. Why? Because i'll finally be able to give it a try without devoting my life to it.
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You know, if he just actually READ the things he's completely ignorant of, the whole argument would have been void. I assume that would be too much of a loss of face
It's so simple though: if someone is a lifer, or remains a subscriber, nothing will change. Those will have access to everything. EVERYHING. Turbine also made a promise that even with insane amount of F2P investment, those characters should never be more powerful (with stats items) than subscribers and lifetimers. That's the only way they can go anyway, w/o completely driving the old community nuts
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
It will probably be a huge fun though running around in the AoC board waving a 10 foot board saying "I told you so"... will be hard to resist
Maybe I will resist it anyway, partly because I hate trolling, but also because I'm not exactly in favor of F2P models either. But sometimes it doesn't make sense to piss against the wind...
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
Er, no. It's a three-tiered system that gives a player options-- play for free, play for free with microtransactions, or play with a paid monthly subscription. Ultimately, it all comes down to the player and what they're willing to pay. I don't know why this is such a difficult concept to understand.
Also, again -- expect to see this type of system more in the future. Games are expensive as hell to design and develop now. Relying on $15/month subs alone for your income isn't enough anymore. And because Funcom has already introduced a cash shop system into one game, that shows they're not averse to introducing one into another if they feel it's needed. Don't be shocked if one goes into AoC someday.
Not only did I read about it, I also comprehended it. And I see the difference between business model A and business model B.
You either don't, or are too busy adding spin to things to try to make them appear as something they are not.
AND.....weather you are a lifer or not in LOTRO, you're still going to have to deal with the kind of community that a F2P model brings in. One of the main reasons people enjoyed LOTRO and stayed with it was the community, and that's about to be trashed.
You can try painting the whole thing rainbow colors, and try to claim it's something that it's not, but that does not change the fact that this is a weak, transparant money-grab, and a defilement of what was a good game, with a great community.
This has been pointed out repeatedly, but it's had zero effect.
Someone can go through and buy out the entire cash shop for LOTRO and *still* not come close to what a paid subscriber gets out of the game, or what they can do in the game world. For all the bleating and crying about microtransactions around here, it's really not the smartest strategy at all. The best play option is to start as a free player, and if you like the game enough, subscribe to it -- just like EVERY OTHER P2P MMO ON THE MARKET.
Still, some people are dead set on predicting doom and gloom and the end of LOTRO forever because of this instead of actually looking at the big picture.
Do you know how much a lifetime sub cost?? How the FUCK is that cheaper?
What, because my prediction of FE having a cash shop came true within hours of my making it??
Forget it. AoC is staying the way it is.
And if I'm wrong, I have no problem with you saying "I told you so"....I can take my own medicine.
But I won't be wrong.
Mine paid for itself after the first year the game was live. As a long-term investment in a game, it's actually a fairly cheap value.
$199 for a lifetime sub vs. $15/month for a paid sub -- the Lifetime works out to just over 13 months of paid time. If you can see yourself playing a game for more than a year, it's cheaper and easier in the long run to buy a Lifetime sub than it is to pay monthly, or bother with microtransactions.
Don't bother making sense with him, will find something else to spin again... or pick a different subject altogether
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
Oh, we know. This is the summary of all your posts, actually
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
Although we had not yet even touched this issue (community) in the argument between us, I give it that this is the only area where your reasoning has not been proven false, so I perfectly understand why you brought it into the conversion.
I have to give it to you, this might be the only area where you *can* have a hint of truth. F2P will possibly bring a bunch of jerks into the game.
However, it will not impact the existing community in almost any ways, since (as said), the F2P will be limited to max level 25. Everyone on the current community is way above that.
Yes, those who start in F2P will still have an option to buy extra content, and level up to cap. Although this will probably cost them more than a normal sub where they could do that as well. So, the question arises... does the method of payment determine the "quality" of a player regarding his/her influence on the community, if he/she pays just as much in either option A (sub) or option B (cash shop)?
A fairly interesting debate. If I were such omnipotent that I could also say "I will not be wrong", I might knew the answer. But I don't
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
So far, so good. Now the next thing for you to realize, that Lotro will be offering BOTH.
Soon, maybe you will understand this too
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
While on the one hand you are probably quite right going free to play will bring in some unsavory immature types but luckily there are things like name filters,chat filters, and an ignore key as well. Paying fifteen dollars a month for a game doesn't qualify anyone in my opinion as someone I would want to play with. I played LOTRO for maybe a year and a half total so far in my playing time and I have only once ever got into it with someone who I thought was being a jerk and even after that time we both spoke to each other and apologized for our actions towards each other but truth be told I could put up with having a few more knocks to have a more robust population and giving others the chance to experience what I think right now is the best story driven mmo on the market.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
Lidane is NOT making sense.....just excuses.
"oh well, I already got my money's worth anyway" is the attitude of a kicked dog with it's tail between it's legs.
People paid for a lifetime sub for ONE type of game, and now it's becoming another.
It's like buying a life-lease into a nice housing community, and having them suddenly turned into low-income housing.
Oh stop. you know better than this.
You mean to TRY to tell me that at later levels, you never go to Bree?? You never roll an alt??
Like it or not, you're going to have to deal with these "freebs" (almost like a "freep", but not quite) if you intend to play the game.
Bree is going to be a ghetto. Have fun with that.
Welcome to s h i t happens. As a lifetime member I have been told how good I will have it. But I have been told so many time show thing will be and then get something different.
Lets just say this I am not amused. I hope it blows up in turbines face, however after a week of posting on lotro seams most of the negative stuff has been pruned and locked. All that exist now are the turbine appologist, adn those going tubine can do no wrong.
Oh well its nice to watch anther mmo producer make my list of I will never deal with again. Turbine, and Cryptic are now on my ban list.
Well, I'm also a lifetimer. And I'm still having a great time playing lotro. I really don't give a shit it goes 'f2p' cause it isn't really free to play, you have to pay if you want to get past bree...
I don't understand why people are so upset with this new playing model.
Please explain to me why it is such a bad move of turbine, help me to understand, so I can also troll a bid about how bad turbine is.
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No amount of explaining it is going to actually explain it, I'm afraid.
Instead, I'll just say that all will become apparent in time.
I'm sick to death of trying to explain all of the negative ways that these changes will impact this once excellent game. So what I'll do instead is just sit back with popcorn and watch the whole thing unfold.
oke, have fun eating popcorn and getting fat, I will be ingame playing, have fun and also getting fat
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It's only been covered like a million times in the past few weeks on these forums. Because of your foolish behaviour of willingly opening your wallet up even further now, we are all going to have to do the same in the furture whether we like it or not. The companies behind our mmos are currently testing the waters to see just how far people will allow them to go. The message we've been sending them is we might actually be willing to go so far as to accept Eastern style payment plans.
Many of us were happy paying a monthly sub and sometimes a box cost. This is fair.
There is a reason why Coca-Cola quickly reverted their pop formula back to the original under the name of Coca-Cola Classic, after an attempt to introduce "the new taste of Coca-Cola". It sucked. And many people recognized this. Unfortunately for us, it's a little more difficult for some to foresee the final outcome of our mmo payment plan situation, than it was for Coke lovers back in 1985 to be aware of how awful it tasted.
These payment plans are not designed to make the games a superior product. Their only purpose is to squeeze the sponge, and to keep on squeezing until you say enough. Ideally we could have stopped this quite easily in the not-so- distant past, but at this point it could very well be too late already.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Ha!
I'm kind of doing that with the Earth. I cared so much for my entire life about this damn planet and it was breaking my heart to see how the majority of the "walking monkeys" on it felt entitled to treat it like a POS.
Now I'm literally sitting back and lmao at anything new that comes up (I'm currently being entertained by BP. Keep saving as many barrels as you can guys, fine work!). People seem to enjoy making things worse for themselves, we might as well laugh at them as it happens.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
No matter how many times you repeat it, the game itself has not changed. It is still the same game, and will remain the same game once this new business model goes live.
I'm not the one making excuses. I'm also not predicting the end of the world. I'm just the one who merely sees a company applying a successful price model from one game to another.
When I saw the news my reaction was Wow, well done for having the balls to do it.
Lets be clear here LOTRO never got the sub numbers it needed to play out the plan that Turbine wanted, they know that and we know that.
Since release the game has been on a very slow but steady decline and will only get worse when games like GW2 and KOTOR come out. The ONLY option Turbine had was to convert it to F2P - thats the ONLY way this game has a hope of reaching Mordor ...and even then its a slim hope...
I figured it would happen eventually, and I'm pleasently pleased that it has happened now. Why? Because i'll finally be able to give it a try without devoting my life to it.