Again, we all know what people can find out about us and we are saying we are not afraid.
You do realize that there's a difference between bravery and stupidity. Because if you aren't afraid of some random sicko finding your personal information and then using it to hurt you, or, god forbid, an unsuspecting member of your family, then you're stupid, not brave.
We understand that you don't understand. Let's just leave it at that. And, assuming that's your real name, please remove it from your tagline. You're only asking for trouble.
1. That's a trick. All your real ID friends are in-game and you can check your friends with that add-on. But you already know them so that's not a big deal. This is just someone showing a friend, you can not do this with other people you don't already have on that RealID list.
2. Someone could run a malicious add-on and start collecting names.
3. RL names shouldn't be in a game period. Especially not when an add-on can simply grab them and log your conversations.
Again, we all know what people can find out about us and we are saying we are not afraid.
You do realize that there's a difference between bravery and stupidity. Because if you aren't afraid of some random sicko finding your personal information and then using it to hurt you, or, god forbid, an unsuspecting member of your family, then you're stupid, not brave.
We understand that you don't understand. Let's just leave it at that. And, assuming that's your real name, please remove it from your tagline. You're only asking for trouble.
Are you also afraid that the person standing behind you in line at the grocery store is going to stab you? Or that the guy on the highway will try to run your car off the road for no good reason? It is the same level of danger.
Epic and creepy. Wonder if anyone has called the wives and what not yet?
Not yet, I'm waiting for the hubby to leave first. Hard to see with these binoculars while hiding in the shrubbery across the street............
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.- -And on the 8th day, man created God.-
I commend blizzard for trying to clean up their forums if that is truly what they are trying to do, though i sincerely doubt that is the case. I would assume this has more to do with them launching Starcraft 2 this month (and next year diablo 3), both of which will take gamers out of their target WoW demographic.
Blizzard of course doesn't want to cannibalize their own players from WoW permanently. Seperated from their WoW community which, for many, would give them a long enough reprieve to break for many what has turned into an addiction. I feel this is the primary motivation, to be able to sell copies of SC2 and other titles without letting their WoW subscribers remove themselves from the fray permanently.
I really see no benefit from this whatsoever as far as the rational for releasing peoples real life identities. If its to scare trolls off of the forums...then linking to their primary toon (or all of their alts as well) on their account would get this point accross as much as i feel blizzard would ever need to do.
If somewhere they DO feel that the fear of retribution in real life would ever keep trolls out of the forum, its both ignorant and reckless to think that this would not also work the other way and also endanger the "better" half of their population, who are only out to enjoy a game in their spare time.
______________________________ If something happened along the route and you had to leave your children with Bob Dole or Bill Clinton, I think you would probably leave them with Bob Dole.
So you're trying to make me give in by saying bawk bawk. That's really thoughtful of you.
Still waiting on your personal info..chicken..?
Donovan Cummins
Sure you can find me. Why? To prove you can? I know you can.
I am not gonna call your Mom names, or try to offend you.
Another point is, you probably won't be the one to try and attack me. You will post this name on some anonymous hacker forum and expect them to be your personal army to prove your point.
Again, we all know what people can find out about us and we are saying we are not afraid.
Your name isn't all I asked, I asked your phone + name + where you live.
Because if this goes through that's what Blizzard will get because the Blizzard ID will link to facebook + account.
Are you willing to put all that into together on this forum? If you are, you are a mighty gullible individual.
When has blizzard ever stated they'll be displaying phone numbers or addresses? Must have missed that message. Are they also going to be making social security numbers and credit card numbers available? *rolls eyes*
I think the real problem here is that a lot of internet tough guys, who feel emboldened by anonymity are now facing the possibility of having to put their name to their rants.
So you're trying to make me give in by saying bawk bawk. That's really thoughtful of you.
Still waiting on your personal info..chicken..?
Donovan Cummins
Sure you can find me. Why? To prove you can? I know you can.
I am not gonna call your Mom names, or try to offend you.
Another point is, you probably won't be the one to try and attack me. You will post this name on some anonymous hacker forum and expect them to be your personal army to prove your point.
Again, we all know what people can find out about us and we are saying we are not afraid.
Your name isn't all I asked, I asked your phone + name + where you live.
Because if this goes through that's what Blizzard will get because the Blizzard ID will link to facebook + account.
Are you willing to put all that into together on this forum? If you are, you are a mighty gullible individual.
When has blizzard ever stated they'll be displaying phone numbers or addresses? Must have missed that message. Are they also going to be making social security numbers and credit card numbers available? *rolls eyes*
No they haven't said that, but as has been said many times in every thread about this issue... a name is all you need to get info like address, phone number, and public records (criminal records, property ownership, marriage/divorce, etc). It might not be a big risk to everyone, like those who have very common names, but as i explained yesterday... when i run a white pages search for my name, im the only one in the country that comes up. If anybody had simply my name they can easily find where i live as well as my relatives and/or people i live with. This not only puts myself at risk but also my family, and there is absolutely nor eason that this info should be used and shown to the world by a video game company. Their claims of doing it to clean up the community are 100% flat out bullshit, there are much much better methods to clean up the community without exposing peoples personal information. For 1, the mods could do their jobs they were hired for... not enough, hire more, not like theyre hurting for money.
Originally posted by kaiser3282 when i run a white pages search for my name, im the only one in the country that comes up. If anybody had simply my name they can easily find where i live as well as my relatives and/or people i live with. This not only puts myself at risk but also my family, and there is absolutely nor eason that this info should be used and shown to the world by a video game company. Their claims of doing it to clean up the community are 100% flat out bullshit, there are much much better methods to clean up the community without exposing peoples personal information. For 1, the mods could do their jobs they were hired for... not enough, hire more, not like theyre hurting for money.
when i run a white pages search for my name, im the only one in the country that comes up. If anybody had simply my name they can easily find where i live as well as my relatives and/or people i live with. This not only puts myself at risk but also my family, and there is absolutely nor eason that this info should be used and shown to the world by a video game company. Their claims of doing it to clean up the community are 100% flat out bullshit, there are much much better methods to clean up the community without exposing peoples personal information. For 1, the mods could do their jobs they were hired for... not enough, hire more, not like theyre hurting for money.
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Well, you'd better start behaving then.
Whoever said i wasn't? Does someone being an angry childish asshat who is easily offended and cant handle losing or being proven wrong about something = me misbehaving? People don't need a "good" reason to do stupid things, often they don't need any reason at all. Your comment is basically the same as saying to a rape victim "well you shouldnt have had a vagina", or a mugging victiim "well you shouldnt have had money", or a victim of a random shooting by some kid who thinks hes a "gangster" "well you shouldnt have left your house".
On Reddit they used to play a game where someone gave a name (or even just a username) and challenged people to find information on that name. The stuff people found out was downright scary.
Those who are saying "you can't find anything with your real name!" just haven't a clue.
Again, we all know what people can find out about us and we are saying we are not afraid.
You do realize that there's a difference between bravery and stupidity. Because if you aren't afraid of some random sicko finding your personal information and then using it to hurt you, or, god forbid, an unsuspecting member of your family, then you're stupid, not brave.
We understand that you don't understand. Let's just leave it at that. And, assuming that's your real name, please remove it from your tagline. You're only asking for trouble.
Are you also afraid that the person standing behind you in line at the grocery store is going to stab you? Or that the guy on the highway will try to run your car off the road for no good reason? It is the same level of danger.
Sure the level of danger is the same but when you account for the amount of players blizzard has in its games, the chance of it happening to one person becomes real. Most people probably have nothing to fear, but some one is gonna get hurt. Having your real name displayed just adds to the danger, it may not be you or any of your friends but another some where out there a persons life could be left in ruins because of this. Why increase the chance of this happening? Human life is not worth some, if at all peace on the forums.
I think the real problem here is that a lot of internet tough guys, who feel emboldened by anonymity are now facing the possibility of having to put their name to their rants.
If you don't think that having your real name displayed on a forum post is a big deal, feel free to put your's in your forum signature here.
1. That's a trick. All your real ID friends are in-game and you can check your friends with that add-on. But you already know them so that's not a big deal. This is just someone showing a friend, you can not do this with other people you don't already have on that RealID list.
2. Someone could run a malicious add-on and start collecting names.
3. RL names shouldn't be in a game period. Especially not when an add-on can simply grab them and log your conversations.
1. I may be wrong, but on another blog I saw that this addon will display the real names of people even if they have opted out of the Real ID in-game service. I guess they could have just been lying, but that's what I read.
According to the blog the only way to stop people from getting your real name in the game is to never accept any friends requests or to enable parental controls on the account.
2 and 3. I agree.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
We could just use fake names.. As our credit card details are filled in a separate form.
I understand peoples concerns, but it seems the people who are really aggressively fighting this cause are most likely the people who have something to hide or are afraid of being found because of whatever they have done in the past.
I'm not for the name display, I just think people are going about their argument the wrong way, by embarrassing blizzard employees.., considering this change was most likely made by a small group of individuals and not every body at blizzard.
But hey, i suppose it demonstrates your anger towards the change.
Making so much noise you dont know when to listen.
I no longer play WoW but I used a fake name and address, I always do. Some people think its linked to your credit details but as you say that’s all separate.
I pick a postcode from any old magazine lying around and that’s the job done. I realised years ago that privacy and the internet were never going to be happy bedfellows. Unlike an office which has your details on paper somewhere if someone online has a privacy policy change then the entire world has your details.
Women are our Achilles heal when it comes online privacy what with social networking sites being all the fashion as that blog showed. Talk to your gal and try to get her to realise that wearing your life on your internet sleeve is not the best idea in the world.
I really, really hope Blizzard rescinds this decision before someone ends up in the hospital (or worse) because a comment made on a forum was taken the wrong way by a mentally unstable individual.
I honestly don't understand how any lawyer who looked at this can possibly think that Blizzard can't/won't be held liable if someone (especially a minor) gets hurt or terrorized because of this. I don't give a fuck what they put in their EULA, the minute someone's physical or mental well-being is threatened, any competent lawyer will rip it to pieces. Plus, with AB being such a large, multi-billion dollar company, I can think of a few VERY high-profile attorneys who'd be willing to jump on the opportunity...
There are mentally unstable indivisuals everywhere. Just cause someone decided to shoot up a school, does that mean everyone should be home schooled?
Just cause terrorists attacked the Twin Towers, does that mean we should have stopped financial progress on the world market?
Sure, let the fear win. I am sure our country was founded by soilders that weighed the risks and decided fighting a war was too risky...
It's more about providing those ill-doers with the tools to act on those impules.
In your example, do you think it's right to.
a. Sell those school kids guns?
b. Sell those terrorists razor-knives and airline tickets?
That is similar to what Blizzard is doing. That is why people are so upset.
Perverted justice. It's stupid to force real names upon your subscribers. It's one thing if it's a 3rd party forum like mmorpg.com here. You have a choice to not post here, this forum doesn't represent the games I play.
But it's quite another to force it upon your subscribers on the official forum. A forum where you may have to post on it to get in on the discussion about the game you are paying to play. It's just stupid...
I guess I was the only one rofl when they announced this. It seems the internet tough guys don't want people find out that they are obese-old-nerds in real life.
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You do realize that there's a difference between bravery and stupidity. Because if you aren't afraid of some random sicko finding your personal information and then using it to hurt you, or, god forbid, an unsuspecting member of your family, then you're stupid, not brave.
We understand that you don't understand. Let's just leave it at that. And, assuming that's your real name, please remove it from your tagline. You're only asking for trouble.
OH SHIT
Its IN GAME ALSO!!!!
http://gearscoreaddon.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=552&page=2
Philosophy of MMO Game Design
So the point is that you can search details on someone but don't want it done to you?
Yes and no.
1. That's a trick. All your real ID friends are in-game and you can check your friends with that add-on. But you already know them so that's not a big deal. This is just someone showing a friend, you can not do this with other people you don't already have on that RealID list.
2. Someone could run a malicious add-on and start collecting names.
3. RL names shouldn't be in a game period. Especially not when an add-on can simply grab them and log your conversations.
Are you also afraid that the person standing behind you in line at the grocery store is going to stab you? Or that the guy on the highway will try to run your car off the road for no good reason? It is the same level of danger.
Not yet, I'm waiting for the hubby to leave first. Hard to see with these binoculars while hiding in the shrubbery across the street............
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.-
-And on the 8th day, man created God.-
I commend blizzard for trying to clean up their forums if that is truly what they are trying to do, though i sincerely doubt that is the case. I would assume this has more to do with them launching Starcraft 2 this month (and next year diablo 3), both of which will take gamers out of their target WoW demographic.
Blizzard of course doesn't want to cannibalize their own players from WoW permanently. Seperated from their WoW community which, for many, would give them a long enough reprieve to break for many what has turned into an addiction. I feel this is the primary motivation, to be able to sell copies of SC2 and other titles without letting their WoW subscribers remove themselves from the fray permanently.
I really see no benefit from this whatsoever as far as the rational for releasing peoples real life identities. If its to scare trolls off of the forums...then linking to their primary toon (or all of their alts as well) on their account would get this point accross as much as i feel blizzard would ever need to do.
If somewhere they DO feel that the fear of retribution in real life would ever keep trolls out of the forum, its both ignorant and reckless to think that this would not also work the other way and also endanger the "better" half of their population, who are only out to enjoy a game in their spare time.
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If something happened along the route and you had to leave your children with Bob Dole or Bill Clinton, I think you would probably leave them with Bob Dole.
~Bob Dole
When has blizzard ever stated they'll be displaying phone numbers or addresses? Must have missed that message. Are they also going to be making social security numbers and credit card numbers available? *rolls eyes*
I think the real problem here is that a lot of internet tough guys, who feel emboldened by anonymity are now facing the possibility of having to put their name to their rants.
No they haven't said that, but as has been said many times in every thread about this issue... a name is all you need to get info like address, phone number, and public records (criminal records, property ownership, marriage/divorce, etc). It might not be a big risk to everyone, like those who have very common names, but as i explained yesterday... when i run a white pages search for my name, im the only one in the country that comes up. If anybody had simply my name they can easily find where i live as well as my relatives and/or people i live with. This not only puts myself at risk but also my family, and there is absolutely nor eason that this info should be used and shown to the world by a video game company. Their claims of doing it to clean up the community are 100% flat out bullshit, there are much much better methods to clean up the community without exposing peoples personal information. For 1, the mods could do their jobs they were hired for... not enough, hire more, not like theyre hurting for money.
I knew someone would eventually try to show just how easy it is to find about a person on the internet. The problem is not hackers, but WoW F**ks
Purpose in life is not to gain things, but experience. - Rover64dd
Well, you'd better start behaving then.
Well shave my back and call me an elf! -- Oghren
Whoever said i wasn't? Does someone being an angry childish asshat who is easily offended and cant handle losing or being proven wrong about something = me misbehaving? People don't need a "good" reason to do stupid things, often they don't need any reason at all. Your comment is basically the same as saying to a rape victim "well you shouldnt have had a vagina", or a mugging victiim "well you shouldnt have had money", or a victim of a random shooting by some kid who thinks hes a "gangster" "well you shouldnt have left your house".
On Reddit they used to play a game where someone gave a name (or even just a username) and challenged people to find information on that name. The stuff people found out was downright scary.
Those who are saying "you can't find anything with your real name!" just haven't a clue.
Sure the level of danger is the same but when you account for the amount of players blizzard has in its games, the chance of it happening to one person becomes real. Most people probably have nothing to fear, but some one is gonna get hurt. Having your real name displayed just adds to the danger, it may not be you or any of your friends but another some where out there a persons life could be left in ruins because of this. Why increase the chance of this happening? Human life is not worth some, if at all peace on the forums.
At first they made us integrate Facebook
and I didn't speak up because I didn't mind being integrated by Facebook
Then they made us use RealID
and I didn't speak up because I didn't mind using RealID
Then a stalker showed up at my house
and I didn't speak up because of the chloroform
If you don't think that having your real name displayed on a forum post is a big deal, feel free to put your's in your forum signature here.
1. I may be wrong, but on another blog I saw that this addon will display the real names of people even if they have opted out of the Real ID in-game service. I guess they could have just been lying, but that's what I read.
According to the blog the only way to stop people from getting your real name in the game is to never accept any friends requests or to enable parental controls on the account.
2 and 3. I agree.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
We could just use fake names.. As our credit card details are filled in a separate form.
I understand peoples concerns, but it seems the people who are really aggressively fighting this cause are most likely the people who have something to hide or are afraid of being found because of whatever they have done in the past.
I'm not for the name display, I just think people are going about their argument the wrong way, by embarrassing blizzard employees.., considering this change was most likely made by a small group of individuals and not every body at blizzard.
But hey, i suppose it demonstrates your anger towards the change.
Making so much noise you dont know when to listen.
I have been using my real name on the net for years, be it forums, chatrooms (I used to chat back in the day, silly me), etc.
It's hardly new to me. But then again, I act responsibly on the net, just like I would out here in the real world.
I no longer play WoW but I used a fake name and address, I always do. Some people think its linked to your credit details but as you say that’s all separate.
I pick a postcode from any old magazine lying around and that’s the job done. I realised years ago that privacy and the internet were never going to be happy bedfellows. Unlike an office which has your details on paper somewhere if someone online has a privacy policy change then the entire world has your details.
Women are our Achilles heal when it comes online privacy what with social networking sites being all the fashion as that blog showed. Talk to your gal and try to get her to realise that wearing your life on your internet sleeve is not the best idea in the world.
It's more about providing those ill-doers with the tools to act on those impules.
In your example, do you think it's right to.
a. Sell those school kids guns?
b. Sell those terrorists razor-knives and airline tickets?
That is similar to what Blizzard is doing. That is why people are so upset.
Perverted justice. It's stupid to force real names upon your subscribers. It's one thing if it's a 3rd party forum like mmorpg.com here. You have a choice to not post here, this forum doesn't represent the games I play.
But it's quite another to force it upon your subscribers on the official forum. A forum where you may have to post on it to get in on the discussion about the game you are paying to play. It's just stupid...
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I guess I was the only one rofl when they announced this. It seems the internet tough guys don't want people find out that they are obese-old-nerds in real life.
LoL Posts like this are why everyone thinks wow players are newbs. And they aren't wrong...