LoL Posts like this are why everyone thinks wow players are newbs. And they aren't wrong...
lol if you think communities of other games wouldn't have similar reaction if they were told the same news, I think you're quite naive. You can bet the "sweet" EQ community would be absolutely outraged if they heard SOE was going to force them to use real names on EQ forums.
I have been using my real name on the net for years, be it forums, chatrooms (I used to chat back in the day, silly me), etc.
It's hardly new to me. But then again, I act responsibly on the net, just like I would out here in the real world.
And yet here you are BizkitNL.
parrotpholk-Because we all know the miracle patch fairy shows up the night before release and sprinkles magic dust on the server to make it allllll better.
I have been using my real name on the net for years, be it forums, chatrooms (I used to chat back in the day, silly me), etc.
It's hardly new to me. But then again, I act responsibly on the net, just like I would out here in the real world.
And yet here you are BizkitNL.
A failed attempt at being smart. See, if you actually were smart, you'd realize that there are a lot of forums out there that are based on real people and real names.
Besides: My name does not make for a good gaming alias.
We could just use fake names.. As our credit card details are filled in a separate form.
I understand peoples concerns, but it seems the people who are really aggressively fighting this cause are most likely the people who have something to hide or are afraid of being found because of whatever they have done in the past.
I'm not for the name display, I just think people are going about their argument the wrong way, by embarrassing blizzard employees.., considering this change was most likely made by a small group of individuals and not every body at blizzard.
But hey, i suppose it demonstrates your anger towards the change.
Erm, I'm sorry. I don't have anything to hide, but I still don't like this move Blizz is making.
It's all going in babysteps. Step by step big corps are stripping us of our privacy, and we let them, coz each time we say 'bah this ain't so bad'.
I don't know if you people red 1984. Well you should.
This is a scary trend people, and it will be very scary and real when something goes wrong, and it will.
And the stupid remark of saying that the internet douches will have to watch out now, just shows you do not see the bigger picture.
A lot of you are discussing that the real names aren't that big of a deal. That phonenrs, creditinfo, adresses etc are not provided.
THAT IS NOT THE F*CKING POINT!
The point is that they started with a piece of info that was private, but now isn't anymore. 1st babystep.
And who is to say what the next babystep will be.
Am I so scared that I don't go out in the street anymore, surf the web, or whatever? No, I'm not.
But this doesn't mean I like what I see, and what it is turning out to be in the future.
Even if you just have a single digit brain capacity, you should know this ain't good ... and if you don't see any harm in it, get a few more years to your life and think about this again.
I think the blog is justified, and is a nice indication of the kind of stuff you can dig up with just a name. - It really does show that the wife, the daughters, in general just family, can easily become caught in the crosshairs.
What I didnt like about the blog was that of the many names he had to choose from he decided to post that of a young couple about to get married, - and altho they work for blizzard I am sure they were not asked about wether realID should be implemented or not. Still he posted the adress for where they are getting married next month with the date, a link to their : at the time - open guestbook for the wedding, and included information about where they were going on honeymoon. Wether anyone is zealous enough to show up and throw paint at the bride on the big day is really irrelevant. What matters is the perception of being harassed that the couple must feel, perhaps enough to shadow their wedding, and at the very least making them consider changing venues.
that kinda seemed over the top, for the sake of making a point.
Yet, now it seems that blue posters are not going to have their full names disclosed on the forums, after Blizzard has come under preassure from their employee's. Tbh, I wouldnt want to be a blue poster if my name got exposed to a bunch of rabid people foaming at the mouth.
ITT: fat nobodies think they are too e-famous and will become the target of psycho stalkers...
reality check guys, real ID or not people wont care a bloody damn about what you said, just like they didnt care when the name posting the bullcrap was SuperNarutoPWNZ.
the only downside of posting under your real name is that for some people, all their friends and relatives will be able to see what he just did, and what a huge jerk he actually is.
I think the blog is justified, and is a nice indication of the kind of stuff you can dig up with just a name. - It really does show that the wife, the daughters, in general just family, can easily become caught in the crosshairs.
What I didnt like about the blog was that of the many names he had to choose from he decided to post that of a young couple about to get married, - and altho they work for blizzard I am sure they were not asked about wether realID should be implemented or not. Still he posted the adress for where they are getting married next month with the date, a link to their : at the time - open guestbook for the wedding, and included information about where they were going on honeymoon. Wether anyone is zealous enough to show up and throw paint at the bride on the big day is really irrelevant. What matters is the perception of being harassed that the couple must feel, perhaps enough to shadow their wedding, and at the very least making them consider changing venues.
that kinda seemed over the top, for the sake of making a point.
Yet, now it seems that blue posters are not going to have their full names disclosed on the forums, after Blizzard has come under preassure from their employee's. Tbh, I wouldnt want to be a blue poster if my name got exposed to a bunch of rabid people foaming at the mouth.
You have just proven the point the blogger was trying to make with his blog.
Using information in another way than intended by the people who provide the information.
I think the blog is justified, and is a nice indication of the kind of stuff you can dig up with just a name. - It really does show that the wife, the daughters, in general just family, can easily become caught in the crosshairs.
What I didnt like about the blog was that of the many names he had to choose from he decided to post that of a young couple about to get married, - and altho they work for blizzard I am sure they were not asked about wether realID should be implemented or not. Still he posted the adress for where they are getting married next month with the date, a link to their : at the time - open guestbook for the wedding, and included information about where they were going on honeymoon. Wether anyone is zealous enough to show up and throw paint at the bride on the big day is really irrelevant. What matters is the perception of being harassed that the couple must feel, perhaps enough to shadow their wedding, and at the very least making them consider changing venues.
that kinda seemed over the top, for the sake of making a point.
Yet, now it seems that blue posters are not going to have their full names disclosed on the forums, after Blizzard has come under preassure from their employee's. Tbh, I wouldnt want to be a blue poster if my name got exposed to a bunch of rabid people foaming at the mouth.
You have just proven the point the blogger was trying to make with his blog.
Using information in another way than intended by the people who provide the information.
All the blogger did was make it personal against the wrong people. If anything, he only proved to be an idiot.
That said: I still think we're going too far with this. When playing WoW, all you need is to play the game and contact either GM's ingame or support through email and phone. Your Real-ID is not forced, only when you want to post on the forum. Simply refrain from that and it's all good, no?
I think the blog is justified, and is a nice indication of the kind of stuff you can dig up with just a name. - It really does show that the wife, the daughters, in general just family, can easily become caught in the crosshairs.
What I didnt like about the blog was that of the many names he had to choose from he decided to post that of a young couple about to get married, - and altho they work for blizzard I am sure they were not asked about wether realID should be implemented or not. Still he posted the adress for where they are getting married next month with the date, a link to their : at the time - open guestbook for the wedding, and included information about where they were going on honeymoon. Wether anyone is zealous enough to show up and throw paint at the bride on the big day is really irrelevant. What matters is the perception of being harassed that the couple must feel, perhaps enough to shadow their wedding, and at the very least making them consider changing venues.
that kinda seemed over the top, for the sake of making a point.
Yet, now it seems that blue posters are not going to have their full names disclosed on the forums, after Blizzard has come under preassure from their employee's. Tbh, I wouldnt want to be a blue poster if my name got exposed to a bunch of rabid people foaming at the mouth.
You have just proven the point the blogger was trying to make with his blog.
Using information in another way than intended by the people who provide the information.
All the blogger did was make it personal against the wrong people. If anything, he only proved to be an idiot.
I think the blog is justified, and is a nice indication of the kind of stuff you can dig up with just a name. - It really does show that the wife, the daughters, in general just family, can easily become caught in the crosshairs.
What I didnt like about the blog was that of the many names he had to choose from he decided to post that of a young couple about to get married, - and altho they work for blizzard I am sure they were not asked about wether realID should be implemented or not. Still he posted the adress for where they are getting married next month with the date, a link to their : at the time - open guestbook for the wedding, and included information about where they were going on honeymoon. Wether anyone is zealous enough to show up and throw paint at the bride on the big day is really irrelevant. What matters is the perception of being harassed that the couple must feel, perhaps enough to shadow their wedding, and at the very least making them consider changing venues.
that kinda seemed over the top, for the sake of making a point.
Yet, now it seems that blue posters are not going to have their full names disclosed on the forums, after Blizzard has come under preassure from their employee's. Tbh, I wouldnt want to be a blue poster if my name got exposed to a bunch of rabid people foaming at the mouth.
You have just proven the point the blogger was trying to make with his blog.
Using information in another way than intended by the people who provide the information.
Yes I realise he chose their example to make the point with some emphasis, and he didnt need to convince me. I can think of a few people off the top of my head, whom I would like to create accounts for, troll with, ninja loot with, and then buy popcorn and install a webcam at their house.
However that doesnt mean Im going to do that to make a point.
Suffice to say, the whole thing is a bloody mess, and I doubt I can really justify keeping my sub going. I love playing wow, but you gotta atleast try to put your money where your mouth is, so that when the backlash starts showing up, and people get hurt, you can safely say you did not contribute to this crap going ahead.
I think the blog is justified, and is a nice indication of the kind of stuff you can dig up with just a name. - It really does show that the wife, the daughters, in general just family, can easily become caught in the crosshairs.
What I didnt like about the blog was that of the many names he had to choose from he decided to post that of a young couple about to get married, - and altho they work for blizzard I am sure they were not asked about wether realID should be implemented or not. Still he posted the adress for where they are getting married next month with the date, a link to their : at the time - open guestbook for the wedding, and included information about where they were going on honeymoon. Wether anyone is zealous enough to show up and throw paint at the bride on the big day is really irrelevant. What matters is the perception of being harassed that the couple must feel, perhaps enough to shadow their wedding, and at the very least making them consider changing venues.
that kinda seemed over the top, for the sake of making a point.
Yet, now it seems that blue posters are not going to have their full names disclosed on the forums, after Blizzard has come under preassure from their employee's. Tbh, I wouldnt want to be a blue poster if my name got exposed to a bunch of rabid people foaming at the mouth.
You have just proven the point the blogger was trying to make with his blog.
Using information in another way than intended by the people who provide the information.
Yes I realise he chose their example to make the point with some emphasis, and he didnt need to convince me. I can think of a few people off the top of my head, whom I would like to create accounts for, troll with, ninja loot with, and then buy popcorn and install a webcam at their house.
However that doesnt mean Im going to do that to make a point.
Suffice to say, the whole thing is a bloody mess, and I doubt I can really justify keeping my sub going. I love playing wow, but you gotta atleast try to put your money where your mouth is, so that when the backlash starts showing up, and people get hurt, you can safely say you did not contribute to this crap going ahead.
I think the blog is justified, and is a nice indication of the kind of stuff you can dig up with just a name. - It really does show that the wife, the daughters, in general just family, can easily become caught in the crosshairs.
What I didnt like about the blog was that of the many names he had to choose from he decided to post that of a young couple about to get married, - and altho they work for blizzard I am sure they were not asked about wether realID should be implemented or not. Still he posted the adress for where they are getting married next month with the date, a link to their : at the time - open guestbook for the wedding, and included information about where they were going on honeymoon. Wether anyone is zealous enough to show up and throw paint at the bride on the big day is really irrelevant. What matters is the perception of being harassed that the couple must feel, perhaps enough to shadow their wedding, and at the very least making them consider changing venues.
that kinda seemed over the top, for the sake of making a point.
Yet, now it seems that blue posters are not going to have their full names disclosed on the forums, after Blizzard has come under preassure from their employee's. Tbh, I wouldnt want to be a blue poster if my name got exposed to a bunch of rabid people foaming at the mouth.
You have just proven the point the blogger was trying to make with his blog.
Using information in another way than intended by the people who provide the information.
All the blogger did was make it personal against the wrong people. If anything, he only proved to be an idiot.
You really don't get it, do you?
I edited my post. But Ille say again: What I get is, that ingame, my real name is not public, unless I choose to do so through the Real-ID friends feature. Also, as long as I don't post on their forums, my real name is unknown to other players.
Yet for some reason, some blogger posts personal information (Which any tool knows we can all come by) of Blizzard employees that have absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Blizzard will implement real-ID. That's not proving anything, it's griefing the wrong people.
I think the blog is justified, and is a nice indication of the kind of stuff you can dig up with just a name. - It really does show that the wife, the daughters, in general just family, can easily become caught in the crosshairs.
What I didnt like about the blog was that of the many names he had to choose from he decided to post that of a young couple about to get married, - and altho they work for blizzard I am sure they were not asked about wether realID should be implemented or not. Still he posted the adress for where they are getting married next month with the date, a link to their : at the time - open guestbook for the wedding, and included information about where they were going on honeymoon. Wether anyone is zealous enough to show up and throw paint at the bride on the big day is really irrelevant. What matters is the perception of being harassed that the couple must feel, perhaps enough to shadow their wedding, and at the very least making them consider changing venues.
that kinda seemed over the top, for the sake of making a point.
Yet, now it seems that blue posters are not going to have their full names disclosed on the forums, after Blizzard has come under preassure from their employee's. Tbh, I wouldnt want to be a blue poster if my name got exposed to a bunch of rabid people foaming at the mouth.
You have just proven the point the blogger was trying to make with his blog.
Using information in another way than intended by the people who provide the information.
All the blogger did was make it personal against the wrong people. If anything, he only proved to be an idiot.
You really don't get it, do you?
I edited my post. But Ille say again: What I get is, that ingame, my real name is not public, unless I choose to do so through the Real-ID friends feature. Also, as long as I don't post on their forums, my real name is unknown to other players.
Yet for some reason, some blogger posts personal information (Which any tool knows we can all come by) of Blizzard employees that have absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Blizzard will implement real-ID. That's not proving anything, it's griefing the wrong people.
What part(s) of that don't you get?
Read my answers to the other posts, than maybe you will get it.
I think the blog is justified, and is a nice indication of the kind of stuff you can dig up with just a name. - It really does show that the wife, the daughters, in general just family, can easily become caught in the crosshairs.
What I didnt like about the blog was that of the many names he had to choose from he decided to post that of a young couple about to get married, - and altho they work for blizzard I am sure they were not asked about wether realID should be implemented or not. Still he posted the adress for where they are getting married next month with the date, a link to their : at the time - open guestbook for the wedding, and included information about where they were going on honeymoon. Wether anyone is zealous enough to show up and throw paint at the bride on the big day is really irrelevant. What matters is the perception of being harassed that the couple must feel, perhaps enough to shadow their wedding, and at the very least making them consider changing venues.
that kinda seemed over the top, for the sake of making a point.
Yet, now it seems that blue posters are not going to have their full names disclosed on the forums, after Blizzard has come under preassure from their employee's. Tbh, I wouldnt want to be a blue poster if my name got exposed to a bunch of rabid people foaming at the mouth.
You have just proven the point the blogger was trying to make with his blog.
Using information in another way than intended by the people who provide the information.
All the blogger did was make it personal against the wrong people. If anything, he only proved to be an idiot.
You really don't get it, do you?
I edited my post. But Ille say again: What I get is, that ingame, my real name is not public, unless I choose to do so through the Real-ID friends feature. Also, as long as I don't post on their forums, my real name is unknown to other players.
Yet for some reason, some blogger posts personal information (Which any tool knows we can all come by) of Blizzard employees that have absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Blizzard will implement real-ID. That's not proving anything, it's griefing the wrong people.
What part(s) of that don't you get?
I think the point is that its a major shift in the norm for online gaming. And that even if you are needing the tech forums fx. you cant use them unless you disclose your name.
Even if you never needed the tech forums and chose to wait in the telephone Q for 6 hours, someone, anyone really could create an account using someone elses name. You can create an account with a different name than your own whenever you wish. - Then troll, flame, ninjaloot a bit in game, and the google storm on your name now shows a "false" record of who you are as a person.
It is another outlet for cyberstalking, and one Im sure a lot of people would be hurt by and feel harassed by.
Remember also, that you dont have to give your real name to everyone in the game who eventually has access to it.
You and I are realID friends (fx) - now all of my real ID friends, some of whom you dont know, also see your real name in game. - Now all of their friends see it too, and so on so forth. It is a huge pyramid, and you gotta trust the people you share your info with, to have impeccable taste when it comes to the people they choose to realID. I know it sounds a bit odd, but thats how its implemented. It is not just your friend who sees your info atm, its also all of his friends and vice versa.
I edited my post. But Ille say again: What I get is, that ingame, my real name is not public, unless I choose to do so through the Real-ID friends feature. Also, as long as I don't post on their forums, my real name is unknown to other players.
Yet for some reason, some blogger posts personal information (Which any tool knows we can all come by) of Blizzard employees that have absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Blizzard will implement real-ID. That's not proving anything, it's griefing the wrong people.
What part(s) of that don't you get?
Harassing the wrong people for the wrong reasons are exactly what the forum trolls/stalkers will do to people posting with their real-ids on the forums.
I don't agree with the blog, but it does showcase how the forum real-id feature will be misused in the future by internet misfits.
I think the blog is justified, and is a nice indication of the kind of stuff you can dig up with just a name. - It really does show that the wife, the daughters, in general just family, can easily become caught in the crosshairs.
What I didnt like about the blog was that of the many names he had to choose from he decided to post that of a young couple about to get married, - and altho they work for blizzard I am sure they were not asked about wether realID should be implemented or not. Still he posted the adress for where they are getting married next month with the date, a link to their : at the time - open guestbook for the wedding, and included information about where they were going on honeymoon. Wether anyone is zealous enough to show up and throw paint at the bride on the big day is really irrelevant. What matters is the perception of being harassed that the couple must feel, perhaps enough to shadow their wedding, and at the very least making them consider changing venues.
that kinda seemed over the top, for the sake of making a point.
Yet, now it seems that blue posters are not going to have their full names disclosed on the forums, after Blizzard has come under preassure from their employee's. Tbh, I wouldnt want to be a blue poster if my name got exposed to a bunch of rabid people foaming at the mouth.
You have just proven the point the blogger was trying to make with his blog.
Using information in another way than intended by the people who provide the information.
All the blogger did was make it personal against the wrong people. If anything, he only proved to be an idiot.
You really don't get it, do you?
I edited my post. But Ille say again: What I get is, that ingame, my real name is not public, unless I choose to do so through the Real-ID friends feature. Also, as long as I don't post on their forums, my real name is unknown to other players.
Yet for some reason, some blogger posts personal information (Which any tool knows we can all come by) of Blizzard employees that have absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Blizzard will implement real-ID. That's not proving anything, it's griefing the wrong people.
What part(s) of that don't you get?
I haven't really followed this issue that much until it exploded over the past day or two (only lightly browsing this forum lately - not playing any MMORPG atm), but from what I understand, it seems that at least some part of it is mandatory, which is more than enough to turn a lot of people off. Whether or not the in-game functions of it are necessary, the simple fact is that it will have consequences that those who use it willingly won't even realize immediately.
At any rate, your exact reaction to this post is the point, from what I see. That very couple, young and about to be married, are the exact type of person who this type of thing can and very likely will hurt. "Oh, but they did nothing to deserve this!" Well neither will anyone else who gets harmed by this through whatever means that may be, be it a player assaulted by another player, a subject of identity theft, or some random person whose name happened to match up with some person who played a game they never heard of. Folks can argue until they're blue in the face about paranoia etc., but the simple fact is while these things could happen before RealID, the odds are far greater with it in place of such an incident occuring.
On a lighter note; I want my damned privacy when I want it. One of the "features" of this junk is that it shows folks on your friend list when you're online, regardless of server, character, etc.. Well sometimes I want time away from my friends even, and this type of thing would take yet another step at chiseling some of my happy, relaxing time away. That's enough to bother me.
On a side note; I don't and haven't played WoW in over 2 years now.
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." George Bernard Shaw
What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing. Oscar Wilde
You and I are realID friends (fx) - now all of my real ID friends, some of whom you dont know, also see your real name in game. - Now all of their friends see it too, and so on so forth. It is a huge pyramid, and you gotta trust the people you share your info with, to have impeccable taste when it comes to the people they choose to realID. I know it sounds a bit odd, but thats how its implemented. It is not just your friend who sees your info atm, its also all of his friends and vice versa.
That is actually the only issue I have at the moment: The fact that friends of your friends will also see your name. That doesn't make sense to me.
I edited my post. But Ille say again: What I get is, that ingame, my real name is not public, unless I choose to do so through the Real-ID friends feature. Also, as long as I don't post on their forums, my real name is unknown to other players.
Yet for some reason, some blogger posts personal information (Which any tool knows we can all come by) of Blizzard employees that have absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Blizzard will implement real-ID. That's not proving anything, it's griefing the wrong people.
What part(s) of that don't you get?
Harassing the wrong people for the wrong reasons are exactly what the forum trolls/stalkers will do to people posting with their real-ids on the forums.
I don't agree with the blog, but it does showcase how the forum real-id feature will be misused in the future by internet misfits.
You are right and I think thats what Sefrens response to me was about initially.
I understand that the blog was to show the potential of the realID used in an intrusive and negative way.
The counterpoint - morals and high grounds aside - is that other people will argue; but your real name wont be brought to the fore unless you chose to, using the forums.
Obviously to that you could say; the official forums are part of the deal I got for paying my subscription. Posting is available to subscribers, not to browsers without an active account. - What I am paying for has changed its premice substantially. -
Another argument could be; So if I need to use the tech forums for a problem, I cant do that unless I disclose my full name...which makes the artifice of; you dont have to use the forums, for all intents and purposes false. Even if you use the hotline and wait in a Q for 6 hours, its like saying you can go make a fire to cook your noodles, you dont have to use the microwave...
I dont like what the blogger did, because I dont like the impact of realID, and dont need to see it used on anyone to know what I think about it. - It bothers me that someone has to be made an example of, not to convince blizzard of their wrongdoing, but to sway the crowds.
I think the boat sailed back in 2009 when Kotick announced Blur and the implementation of that game for facebook. (its comming out right about now) - The money spent, and the potential money to be made of integrating all the casual gamers with facebook is too huge to be concerned about how we feel about it.
I dont want to be apart of this slide in online gaming privacy rules, infact I feel a strong obligation not to be.
I will when this goes live play another title, and I will not be renewing my subscription for world of warcraft unless some opt-out meassures like those afforded subscribers based in california are implemented across the board.
What do you all feel about this BLOG? Is it threatening to blizzard employees? Bad karma coming back to bite blizzard employees in the bum? Either way its interesting, if not more than a little creepy (and potentially frightening for what real-id has in store for WoW subscribers)
Good enought for me. Looks like they should understand what they are doing and the implications of it.
I edited my post. But Ille say again: What I get is, that ingame, my real name is not public, unless I choose to do so through the Real-ID friends feature. Also, as long as I don't post on their forums, my real name is unknown to other players.
Yet for some reason, some blogger posts personal information (Which any tool knows we can all come by) of Blizzard employees that have absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Blizzard will implement real-ID. That's not proving anything, it's griefing the wrong people.
What part(s) of that don't you get?
Harassing the wrong people for the wrong reasons are exactly what the forum trolls/stalkers will do to people posting with their real-ids on the forums.
I don't agree with the blog, but it does showcase how the forum real-id feature will be misused in the future by internet misfits.
You are right and I think thats what Sefrens response to me was about initially.
I understand that the blog was to show the potential of the realID used in an intrusive and negative way.
The counterpoint - morals and high grounds aside - is that other people will argue; but your real name wont be brought to the fore unless you chose to, using the forums.
Obviously to that you could say; the official forums are part of the deal I got for paying my subscription. Posting is available to subscribers, not to browsers without an active account. - What I am paying for has changed its premice substantially. -
Another argument could be; So if I need to use the tech forums for a problem, I cant do that unless I disclose my full name...which makes the artifice of; you dont have to use the forums, for all intents and purposes false. Even if you use the hotline and wait in a Q for 6 hours, its like saying you can go make a fire to cook your noodles, you dont have to use the microwave...
I dont like what the blogger did, because I dont like the impact of realID, and dont need to see it used on anyone to know what I think about it. - It bothers me that someone has to be made an example of, not to convince blizzard of their wrongdoing, but to sway the crowds.
I think the boat sailed back in 2009 when Kotick announced Blur and the implementation of that game for facebook. (its comming out right about now) - The money spent, and the potential money to be made of integrating all the casual gamers with facebook is too huge to be concerned about how we feel about it.
I dont want to be apart of this slide in online gaming privacy rules, infact I feel a strong obligation not to be.
I will when this goes live play another title, and I will not be renewing my subscription for world of warcraft unless some opt-out meassures like those afforded subscribers based in california are implemented across the board.
Some very astute arguments there.
My main worry are the minors, who won't think twice about activating the forum real-id feature. Yes, there are warnings, but many teenagers and children won't realise the true implications of their actions until the damage is already done.
I have been using my real name on the net for years, be it forums, chatrooms (I used to chat back in the day, silly me), etc.
It's hardly new to me. But then again, I act responsibly on the net, just like I would out here in the real world.
And yet here you are BizkitNL.
A failed attempt at being smart. See, if you actually were smart, you'd realize that there are a lot of forums out there that are based on real people and real names.
Besides: My name does not make for a good gaming alias.
It doesn't matter whether your name makes a good alias or not. You claim you post all over the place using your real name and yet here don't. Simply put, I don't believe you. You had a choice to use your real name here, and clearly you did not. The rest of your comments spell out your issues not mine.
parrotpholk-Because we all know the miracle patch fairy shows up the night before release and sprinkles magic dust on the server to make it allllll better.
My main worry are the minors, who won't think twice about activating the forum real-id feature. Yes, there are warnings, but many teenagers and children won't realise the true implications of their actions until the damage is already done.
This is a quite intelligent way to show Blizzard how stupid they are and how easy it is to discover people lifes and possibly stalk them.
This is better thn a million whining posts, people should posts information like this on the WoW forums.
Personally I am tempted to post an heavy trollish thread on WoW forums with my real name just to show that putting the name close to people posts won't discourage trolls, but only people who care about their privacy (trolls don't care about their privacy, they are usually pretty immature)
Unfortunately I do not have n active account with Blizzard otherwise I would.
I invite people who has a subscription to spam the content of that blog on Blizzard forums.................to show:
A: How easy it is to find about other people lives from a name
B: To show that this measure won't stop people from trolling their forums
PS: Are we sure this is legal by the way? Even if people sign the ToS doesn't mean Blizzard can enforce it.
I mean if the ToS says they are allowed to cut your fingers, surely the law won't allow them to do so.
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lol if you think communities of other games wouldn't have similar reaction if they were told the same news, I think you're quite naive. You can bet the "sweet" EQ community would be absolutely outraged if they heard SOE was going to force them to use real names on EQ forums.
EQ1-AC1-DAOC-FFXI-L2-EQ2-WoW-DDO-GW-LoTR-VG-WAR-GW2-ESO
And yet here you are BizkitNL.
parrotpholk-Because we all know the miracle patch fairy shows up the night before release and sprinkles magic dust on the server to make it allllll better.
LOL
EQ1-AC1-DAOC-FFXI-L2-EQ2-WoW-DDO-GW-LoTR-VG-WAR-GW2-ESO
A failed attempt at being smart. See, if you actually were smart, you'd realize that there are a lot of forums out there that are based on real people and real names.
Besides: My name does not make for a good gaming alias.
Erm, I'm sorry. I don't have anything to hide, but I still don't like this move Blizz is making.
It's all going in babysteps. Step by step big corps are stripping us of our privacy, and we let them, coz each time we say 'bah this ain't so bad'.
I don't know if you people red 1984. Well you should.
This is a scary trend people, and it will be very scary and real when something goes wrong, and it will.
And the stupid remark of saying that the internet douches will have to watch out now, just shows you do not see the bigger picture.
A lot of you are discussing that the real names aren't that big of a deal. That phonenrs, creditinfo, adresses etc are not provided.
THAT IS NOT THE F*CKING POINT!
The point is that they started with a piece of info that was private, but now isn't anymore. 1st babystep.
And who is to say what the next babystep will be.
Am I so scared that I don't go out in the street anymore, surf the web, or whatever? No, I'm not.
But this doesn't mean I like what I see, and what it is turning out to be in the future.
Even if you just have a single digit brain capacity, you should know this ain't good ... and if you don't see any harm in it, get a few more years to your life and think about this again.
Regarding the OP;
I think the blog is justified, and is a nice indication of the kind of stuff you can dig up with just a name. - It really does show that the wife, the daughters, in general just family, can easily become caught in the crosshairs.
What I didnt like about the blog was that of the many names he had to choose from he decided to post that of a young couple about to get married, - and altho they work for blizzard I am sure they were not asked about wether realID should be implemented or not. Still he posted the adress for where they are getting married next month with the date, a link to their : at the time - open guestbook for the wedding, and included information about where they were going on honeymoon. Wether anyone is zealous enough to show up and throw paint at the bride on the big day is really irrelevant. What matters is the perception of being harassed that the couple must feel, perhaps enough to shadow their wedding, and at the very least making them consider changing venues.
that kinda seemed over the top, for the sake of making a point.
Yet, now it seems that blue posters are not going to have their full names disclosed on the forums, after Blizzard has come under preassure from their employee's. Tbh, I wouldnt want to be a blue poster if my name got exposed to a bunch of rabid people foaming at the mouth.
ITT: fat nobodies think they are too e-famous and will become the target of psycho stalkers...
reality check guys, real ID or not people wont care a bloody damn about what you said, just like they didnt care when the name posting the bullcrap was SuperNarutoPWNZ.
the only downside of posting under your real name is that for some people, all their friends and relatives will be able to see what he just did, and what a huge jerk he actually is.
You have just proven the point the blogger was trying to make with his blog.
Using information in another way than intended by the people who provide the information.
All the blogger did was make it personal against the wrong people. If anything, he only proved to be an idiot.
That said: I still think we're going too far with this. When playing WoW, all you need is to play the game and contact either GM's ingame or support through email and phone. Your Real-ID is not forced, only when you want to post on the forum. Simply refrain from that and it's all good, no?
You really don't get it, do you?
Yes I realise he chose their example to make the point with some emphasis, and he didnt need to convince me. I can think of a few people off the top of my head, whom I would like to create accounts for, troll with, ninja loot with, and then buy popcorn and install a webcam at their house.
However that doesnt mean Im going to do that to make a point.
Suffice to say, the whole thing is a bloody mess, and I doubt I can really justify keeping my sub going. I love playing wow, but you gotta atleast try to put your money where your mouth is, so that when the backlash starts showing up, and people get hurt, you can safely say you did not contribute to this crap going ahead.
It is, and I'm glad you see it that way.
I edited my post. But Ille say again: What I get is, that ingame, my real name is not public, unless I choose to do so through the Real-ID friends feature. Also, as long as I don't post on their forums, my real name is unknown to other players.
Yet for some reason, some blogger posts personal information (Which any tool knows we can all come by) of Blizzard employees that have absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Blizzard will implement real-ID. That's not proving anything, it's griefing the wrong people.
What part(s) of that don't you get?
Read my answers to the other posts, than maybe you will get it.
And don't worry about me ... I do get it.
I think the point is that its a major shift in the norm for online gaming. And that even if you are needing the tech forums fx. you cant use them unless you disclose your name.
Even if you never needed the tech forums and chose to wait in the telephone Q for 6 hours, someone, anyone really could create an account using someone elses name. You can create an account with a different name than your own whenever you wish. - Then troll, flame, ninjaloot a bit in game, and the google storm on your name now shows a "false" record of who you are as a person.
It is another outlet for cyberstalking, and one Im sure a lot of people would be hurt by and feel harassed by.
Remember also, that you dont have to give your real name to everyone in the game who eventually has access to it.
You and I are realID friends (fx) - now all of my real ID friends, some of whom you dont know, also see your real name in game. - Now all of their friends see it too, and so on so forth. It is a huge pyramid, and you gotta trust the people you share your info with, to have impeccable taste when it comes to the people they choose to realID. I know it sounds a bit odd, but thats how its implemented. It is not just your friend who sees your info atm, its also all of his friends and vice versa.
Harassing the wrong people for the wrong reasons are exactly what the forum trolls/stalkers will do to people posting with their real-ids on the forums.
I don't agree with the blog, but it does showcase how the forum real-id feature will be misused in the future by internet misfits.
I haven't really followed this issue that much until it exploded over the past day or two (only lightly browsing this forum lately - not playing any MMORPG atm), but from what I understand, it seems that at least some part of it is mandatory, which is more than enough to turn a lot of people off. Whether or not the in-game functions of it are necessary, the simple fact is that it will have consequences that those who use it willingly won't even realize immediately.
At any rate, your exact reaction to this post is the point, from what I see. That very couple, young and about to be married, are the exact type of person who this type of thing can and very likely will hurt. "Oh, but they did nothing to deserve this!" Well neither will anyone else who gets harmed by this through whatever means that may be, be it a player assaulted by another player, a subject of identity theft, or some random person whose name happened to match up with some person who played a game they never heard of. Folks can argue until they're blue in the face about paranoia etc., but the simple fact is while these things could happen before RealID, the odds are far greater with it in place of such an incident occuring.
On a lighter note; I want my damned privacy when I want it. One of the "features" of this junk is that it shows folks on your friend list when you're online, regardless of server, character, etc.. Well sometimes I want time away from my friends even, and this type of thing would take yet another step at chiseling some of my happy, relaxing time away. That's enough to bother me.
On a side note; I don't and haven't played WoW in over 2 years now.
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it."
George Bernard Shaw
What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
Oscar Wilde
That is actually the only issue I have at the moment: The fact that friends of your friends will also see your name. That doesn't make sense to me.
Add them to the normal friends list then?
Eleanor Rigby.
You are right and I think thats what Sefrens response to me was about initially.
I understand that the blog was to show the potential of the realID used in an intrusive and negative way.
The counterpoint - morals and high grounds aside - is that other people will argue; but your real name wont be brought to the fore unless you chose to, using the forums.
Obviously to that you could say; the official forums are part of the deal I got for paying my subscription. Posting is available to subscribers, not to browsers without an active account. - What I am paying for has changed its premice substantially. -
Another argument could be; So if I need to use the tech forums for a problem, I cant do that unless I disclose my full name...which makes the artifice of; you dont have to use the forums, for all intents and purposes false. Even if you use the hotline and wait in a Q for 6 hours, its like saying you can go make a fire to cook your noodles, you dont have to use the microwave...
I dont like what the blogger did, because I dont like the impact of realID, and dont need to see it used on anyone to know what I think about it. - It bothers me that someone has to be made an example of, not to convince blizzard of their wrongdoing, but to sway the crowds.
I think the boat sailed back in 2009 when Kotick announced Blur and the implementation of that game for facebook. (its comming out right about now) - The money spent, and the potential money to be made of integrating all the casual gamers with facebook is too huge to be concerned about how we feel about it.
I dont want to be apart of this slide in online gaming privacy rules, infact I feel a strong obligation not to be.
I will when this goes live play another title, and I will not be renewing my subscription for world of warcraft unless some opt-out meassures like those afforded subscribers based in california are implemented across the board.
Good enought for me. Looks like they should understand what they are doing and the implications of it.
Some very astute arguments there.
My main worry are the minors, who won't think twice about activating the forum real-id feature. Yes, there are warnings, but many teenagers and children won't realise the true implications of their actions until the damage is already done.
It doesn't matter whether your name makes a good alias or not. You claim you post all over the place using your real name and yet here don't. Simply put, I don't believe you. You had a choice to use your real name here, and clearly you did not. The rest of your comments spell out your issues not mine.
parrotpholk-Because we all know the miracle patch fairy shows up the night before release and sprinkles magic dust on the server to make it allllll better.
Use Parental Control?
Eleanor Rigby.
This is a quite intelligent way to show Blizzard how stupid they are and how easy it is to discover people lifes and possibly stalk them.
This is better thn a million whining posts, people should posts information like this on the WoW forums.
Personally I am tempted to post an heavy trollish thread on WoW forums with my real name just to show that putting the name close to people posts won't discourage trolls, but only people who care about their privacy (trolls don't care about their privacy, they are usually pretty immature)
Unfortunately I do not have n active account with Blizzard otherwise I would.
I invite people who has a subscription to spam the content of that blog on Blizzard forums.................to show:
A: How easy it is to find about other people lives from a name
B: To show that this measure won't stop people from trolling their forums
PS: Are we sure this is legal by the way? Even if people sign the ToS doesn't mean Blizzard can enforce it.
I mean if the ToS says they are allowed to cut your fingers, surely the law won't allow them to do so.