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Of course, but you have to remember that these people are desperately trying to validate their own preferred playstyles by forcing everyone around them to do it too, in hopes that everyone will think it's wonderful and they'll feel good about themselves. In reality, you find far too many fanatics, not just grouping but permadeath and PvP, etc. who think the only way to have fun is to require that everyone in the game does exactly what they do.
These people can take a flying leap.
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Exactly. My side of the coin wants equality for both playing styles. Your side wants to make it unplayable for solo players. Got it.
because gaming is all about being efficeint. If you're out there having fun, you're doing it wrong!
What's its about for this guy is rewarding HIS style of play, giving HIS style of play huge advantages over every other style of play.
This I can agree with. I loved the community of old Everquest. I haven't found it in any other game, and /facepalm alot when I end up in a group with some random idiot that couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag.
Here is one issue I see, sorry might of been mentioned but since I did not read the 3 million post I will just repeat it
, while the game might be an MMO, your friends will not always be online, so if you have stuff you can do solo then your friends dont even have to be on for you to enjoy the game. So with that said I like both, I can solo when no friends are online and I can group when they are. Its really easy, most of the time you dont want to do stuff when your friends are not on, you might get into a group but it will not be the same. The problem is that most people do not want to worry about other people, while some groups end up being great others well you get stuck with that one person that will ruin the whole group experience for you. I played in one group where everyone was great except for this one guy he just totally sucked, I mean its ok to be bad and all when your lower level but if you are in a heroic dungeon well if you suck a lot then your clearly not ready to tackle that type of content. If a one armed monkey that is paralized from the neck down can do it so can everyone else lol.
I guess the whole solo thing is because the companies want to get that one person that did not play MMO's because he did not want to group with others, its all about the benjamins!
All games are solo friendly. Just because someone can make XP faster in a group doesn't mean you can't solo. Just because you can't solo a particular dungeon now, doesn't mean you can't gain some levels or skill levels, and come back and solo it later.
The fact that groups make xp faster in no way keeps you from soloing, and doing quests, yet many complain about it, and call it "forced grouping".
Why?
Now your being rediculous.
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
Excellent strategy here. Ignore his post completely, because it makes far too much sense and nothing you have can really counter it. Then ramble on again and again with the same garbage you're always spewing about how picked on you are and how you need devs to bribe people to group up with you because you're a miserable human being without friends. Got it.
You can solo in every MMORPG, even a group friendly game like EQ.
You keep focusing on "not allowing groups to maximize XP". If you make less XP solo than in a group, then you don't like the game.
I just don't understand that. If you can solo, and you LIKE to solo, then why do you care if you're making less XP than in a group?
Why not just solo, and not worry about what the group is doing?
I just dont' understand that. If you can group, and you LIKE to group, then why do you care if you're making less XP than solo?
Why not just group, and not worry about what the solo player is doing?
Why?
The ONLY reason I can see, is because you like a different game than me.
I said the EXACT same thing you did.
You said all games are group friendly because you CAN group in them.
Can you prove you CANNOT solo in any MMORPG?
According to your logic, CAN = friendly.
So ALL mmorpgs MUST therefore be solo friendly, since you CAN solo in them.
For solo players, Equal treatment = friendly.
For group players, bonuses and bribes for your prefered method = friendly.
I dont know instead of solo friendly we should worry about the jumping or swiming thing it is much more important than this whole solo thing....
And agree with the every game it technically solo, you just will not progress as fast as you would with a group. It makes sense to me that you would get a bonus to XP if you grouped since the game is based around grouping. There are alternatives, there is a lot of F2P games that will sell you XP potions that will increase the amount of XP you get, that way you are not jipped cause your not in a group.
But I cant solo them. Cant solo any of the dungeons in WOW, cant solo the Turtle in LOTRO cant get all the uber stuff from them unless I get a group. There are some examples, now give me an example of solo content you cant group to do.
Edit for spelling.
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
If grouping is so fun and great, why do you have to bribe people with bonuses to get them to do it?
Ok. And? How is it going to hurt you if I get a bonus while playing in a group?
I thought you LIKED to solo?
Why don't you just continue to solo, and not worry about what I"m doing in a group or how much XP I"m getting?
The fact that I'm getting XP faster in a group doesn't affect your fun while you play solo, right?
If solo play is so fun and great, why are you so upset you're not getting a bribe and a bonus to do it, and someone else is?
I dont care how fast you get your xp. I want that sword that I cant have because I cant solo the five man dungeon in which it drops.
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
Turtle is a Raid, not group content. All raids are "forced grouping" in all MMORPGs.
There are three kinds of content, solo, group, and raid.
We are discussing solo and group, not raid.
Lol. Oh my.
Now the truth comes out. You don't really like to solo, you just don't want anyone to get more xp than you do.
Hi pot.
Ok scratch the turtle. Still cant solo Uldaman, Blackfathoms Deep or any other of the 5 man dungeons in WOW. Why? Because your forced to group to do them. Now answer my question, what solo quests are you not allowed to group for?
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
So now we're just dismissing anything that shows how rediculous your arguments are? lol Maybe you should lay out all of the rules ahead of time.
Yes, those who want equality are evil and bad!
I've stated many times, if you'd ever bother to actually read and pay attention, that I group and I solo, all depending on my mood. I generally run my own guild as well.
I really dont worry much about things here but in all honesty grouping pretty much sucks in any MMO unless its a premade group of friends or guildies. PUG's get together, dont talk, get the object done then go back to what it is they do.
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
And this is exactly the point! When people group up by CHOICE, it is fun! When people group up simply because they have to, it's a miserable experience.