You are missing the point he made, focusing just on the bugs. Bugs don't really matter, when the design is so poor anyway. They only add to any problem.
Actually what Bhronn described were features of a mechanic and are definitely able to be adjusted.
That said, the game so far (not much to see yet) is a good one.
Presently, it's head and shoulders above what has been released from across the pacific in the last year in looks, content, and play quality.
My one qualm with the game is that the system requirements are so high that tons of people with 4 or more year old systems will probably have to upgrade in order to be able to play... When folks allude that it's a system hog, they ain't joking.
This automatically lowers the field of potential players to people who are willing to shell out the money to upgrade their systems or folks who have already done so.
The UI on the other hand streamers have told me is an upgrade on's XI and feels a bit more modern, though not necessarily exactly like what we're use to in games like WAR/Lotro, etc, and that a lot of functions are accessed through menu selection since the mouse doesn't have much in context selection, which is probably the clunky part of the UI you are talking about.
The current UI is much worse than FFXI's.
What I'd be worried about is the real UI though.
People detested FFXI's UI as well until they got used to it.
The current setup is definitely clunky, but if the feedback from the testers is taken, we should see definite improvements.
The things i posted were off the top of my head. I didnt go into too much detail because the NDA terms are still iffy. I dont want to break it outright but i did want to give some info.
Now it is true that some things can be fixed and optimized but i will point out that on the beta boards, its pretty apparent that beta 2 was in better shape than beta 3. Theres several reason behind this and i wont go into them but, the game is down now while SE tries to fix the issues with no eta of when they will be back up.
people seem to think theres the fabled miracle patch going to come out but honestly, of 10 betas i have never seen a miracle patch .
Theres a reason i call the core game flawed and it effects every system in the game. To get this game to run on a PS3, they built the game to have most of the information server side. Its why the UI is so slow and brings up errors often when the servers are lagged. its why NPC's dont appear. Its why combat can get stuck. its why you fail a quest if you LD or get kicked. its at the heart of the problem of every system. basically, get 10 other people around you and your gameplay will degrade. its why they tried to limit everyone to 30 fps. Since they took the cap off in beta 3 the issues are way more pronounced and i expect the cap to be replaced on release, if not before.
I am not a hater, i enjoy beta testing games almost as much as playing the release. Ive been doing it for 15+ years. Regardless of how you feel about each mechanic be it battle or quest system, it wont change the fact of how the core game is built.
The things i posted were off the top of my head. I didnt go into too much detail because the NDA terms are still iffy. I dont want to break it outright but i did want to give some info.
Now it is true that some things can be fixed and optimized but i will point out that on the beta boards, its pretty apparent that beta 2 was in better shape than beta 3. Theres several reason behind this and i wont go into them but, the game is down now while SE tries to fix the issues with no eta of when they will be back up.
people seem to think theres the fabled miracle patch going to come out but honestly, of 10 betas i have never seen a miracle patch .
Theres a reason i call the core game flawed and it effects every system in the game. To get this game to run on a PS3, they built the game to have most of the information server side. Its why the UI is so slow and brings up errors often when the servers are lagged. its why NPC's dont appear. Its why combat can get stuck. its why you fail a quest if you LD or get kicked. its at the heart of the problem of every system. basically, get 10 other people around you and your gameplay will degrade. its why they tried to limit everyone to 30 fps. Since they took the cap off in beta 3 the issues are way more pronounced and i expect the cap to be replaced on release, if not before.
I am not a hater, i enjoy beta testing games almost as much as playing the release. Ive been doing it for 15+ years. Regardless of how you feel about each mechanic be it battle or quest system, it wont change the fact of how the core game is built.
So you mean theirs connection/server issues? Not sure if that would count as an issue with the gameplay mechanics itself, but it certainly would effect them.
Disconnects and such are very common in a beta/release, and yea it seems like the issues with the UI being slow/erroring out and combat getting stuck is input lag. It's without a doubt something SE will need to fix before release. Hopefully by removing the cap on FPS like you said, they're trying to work on getting that fixed.
So, not only do we have to go out and buy a 1000 dollar system to play this game, or spend hundreds of dollars upgrading our current systems, but they are capping the FPS at 30!!!! That is just rediculous to me. Maybe they should have never released this game on PC and just released on the PS3 if thats what they were originally designing this game for.
So, not only do we have to go out and buy a 1000 dollar system to play this game, or spend hundreds of dollars upgrading our current systems, but they are capping the FPS at 30!!!! That is just rediculous to me. Maybe they should have never released this game on PC and just released on the PS3 if thats what they were originally designing this game for.
This is some massive irony
The game has been capped at 30 fps for like 5 months now
And the moment they uncap the game, Then you post about them capping it at 30.
I can only congratulate you.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
So, not only do we have to go out and buy a 1000 dollar system to play this game, or spend hundreds of dollars upgrading our current systems, but they are capping the FPS at 30!!!! That is just rediculous to me. Maybe they should have never released this game on PC and just released on the PS3 if thats what they were originally designing this game for.
So, not only do we have to go out and buy a 1000 dollar system to play this game, or spend hundreds of dollars upgrading our current systems, but they are capping the FPS at 30!!!! That is just rediculous to me. Maybe they should have never released this game on PC and just released on the PS3 if thats what they were originally designing this game for.
This is some massive irony
The game has been capped at 30 fps for like 5 months now
And the moment they uncap the game, Then you post about them capping it at 30.
I can only congratulate you.
I was actually talking about what Bhronn said about all of the problems that are occuring since they uncapped it from 30 frames. It seems like the only thing they can do since most information is held server side is replace the cap to keep the lag down. But thank you for the congratulations
So, not only do we have to go out and buy a 1000 dollar system to play this game, or spend hundreds of dollars upgrading our current systems, but they are capping the FPS at 30!!!! That is just rediculous to me. Maybe they should have never released this game on PC and just released on the PS3 if thats what they were originally designing this game for.
Honestly if anyone is going to complain about having to buy a modern gaming system with decent specs to play modern game that is pushing current standards then that party should not be searching for a modern game to play. Techonology advances and thus the needs for a better system comes in to play. Be it FFXIV or another modern game, people will have to upgrade it's just the way things work when trying to advance the gaming industry. People can't just sit on the system that has run well for 2 years + and fail to update. There is no reason to enter a race on the autoban if you max out at 65km.
I was actually talking about what Bhronn said about all of the problems that are occuring since they uncapped it from 30 frames. It seems like the only thing they can do since most information is held server side is replace the cap to keep the lag down. But thank you for the congratulations
Lets believe the random guy on the interwebs!
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
I am all for upgrading, that wasn't my point. My point was when you spend thousands of dollars on a top gaming rig and only get 30fps it just doesn't make sense to me.
I am all for upgrading, that wasn't my point. My point was when you spend thousands of dollars on a top gaming rig and only get 30fps it just doesn't make sense to me.
Have you asked for upgrading advice? My computer is about 3-5 years old (id have to look at the receipt) but from what I understand should be able to run the game on low-med graphics.
You shouldn't have to spend anyhwere near $1000 unless your planning on buying an entirely new prebuilt system?
As for the fps cap, if they removed it it's because they are working on getting the game running smoothly without the cap, which is a good thing wouldn't you say?
I am all for upgrading, that wasn't my point. My point was when you spend thousands of dollars on a top gaming rig and only get 30fps it just doesn't make sense to me.
Have you asked for upgrading advice? My computer is about 3-5 years old (id have to look at the receipt) but from what I understand should be able to run the game on low-med graphics.
You shouldn't have to spend anyhwere near $1000 unless your planning on buying an entirely new prebuilt system?
As for the fps cap, if they removed it it's because they are working on getting the game running smoothly without the cap, which is a good thing wouldn't you say?
I wasn't trying to sound like I don't want this game to work, I am really excited about this game and allready pre-ordered. I am planning on upgrading my video card. If they can fix everything before release that would be awesome!
Here is my post on the official benchmark thread about my system now and results:
I just ran the test, scored a 1076 with 12762ms load time. I have Windows 7 Home Premium, Quad Q8300, Nvidia GT220, 8GB ram. That score was on low, I also tried on high and scored in the 500s. I know I don't have the most up to date computer, but I can't believe with those specs the game will be (according to the chart on the first post) unplayable for me. I can definitely see this hurting their subs if a machine like mine can't play the game. Anyone have any ideas on what could be causing such a low score? Thanks!
Well like i said, i am not going to try and persuade anyone. I reported on what the game is like now without any bias or hate to the game system themselves. I didnt post on if i liked or disliked the systems. Just the problems with thier core mechanics.
All I can say in closing is... I had a CE ordered. I canceled it.
I am all for upgrading, that wasn't my point. My point was when you spend thousands of dollars on a top gaming rig and only get 30fps it just doesn't make sense to me.
Have you asked for upgrading advice? My computer is about 3-5 years old (id have to look at the receipt) but from what I understand should be able to run the game on low-med graphics.
You shouldn't have to spend anyhwere near $1000 unless your planning on buying an entirely new prebuilt system?
As for the fps cap, if they removed it it's because they are working on getting the game running smoothly without the cap, which is a good thing wouldn't you say?
I wasn't trying to sound like I don't want this game to work, I am really excited about this game and allready pre-ordered. I am planning on upgrading my video card. If they can fix everything before release that would be awesome!
Here is my post on the official benchmark thread about my system now and results:
I just ran the test, scored a 1076 with 12762ms load time. I have Windows 7 Home Premium, Quad Q8300, Nvidia GT220, 8GB ram. That score was on low, I also tried on high and scored in the 500s. I know I don't have the most up to date computer, but I can't believe with those specs the game will be (according to the chart on the first post) unplayable for me. I can definitely see this hurting their subs if a machine like mine can't play the game. Anyone have any ideas on what could be causing such a low score? Thanks!
ooo yea really don't use the benchmark to judge your system, there are several things wrong with the way it tests a system, and i'm not sure why SE even released it as it was
you have a good system and a slightly better processor than mine, the only thing I think that would slow the game down is the video card, the GT 220 isn't a very good card from what I understand.
There's people running the beta with the 9800 GT, i believe thats one of the cards they recommend for a cheap price compared to other cards if you do end up needing to upgrade, though it does need a moderate power supply to run it.
So, not only do we have to go out and buy a 1000 dollar system to play this game, or spend hundreds of dollars upgrading our current systems, but they are capping the FPS at 30!!!! That is just rediculous to me. Maybe they should have never released this game on PC and just released on the PS3 if thats what they were originally designing this game for.
Honestly if anyone is going to complain about having to buy a modern gaming system with decent specs to play modern game that is pushing current standards then that party should not be searching for a modern game to play. Techonology advances and thus the needs for a better system comes in to play. Be it FFXIV or another modern game, people will have to upgrade it's just the way things work when trying to advance the gaming industry. People can't just sit on the system that has run well for 2 years + and fail to update. There is no reason to enter a race on the autoban if you max out at 65km.
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~V
No MMO is pushing current standards, when it comes to graphics. They simply don't compair to single player games, and that includes FF XIV. No matter the MMO, any lack of FPS is down to simply two things: -
1) A poor gfx/interface design
2) Relience on server side responces.
You should not have to spend thousands on a gaming platform, simply based on graphics. FF XIV also does not advance gaming technology, or mechanics, in anyway.
Having read some of these posts, don't think i will bother with FF14 now, pity i had high hopes for it, if it's broken in beta they won't have the time to fix it before it launches, unless they put the release back to next year.
I am all for upgrading, that wasn't my point. My point was when you spend thousands of dollars on a top gaming rig and only get 30fps it just doesn't make sense to me.
Have you asked for upgrading advice? My computer is about 3-5 years old (id have to look at the receipt) but from what I understand should be able to run the game on low-med graphics.
You shouldn't have to spend anyhwere near $1000 unless your planning on buying an entirely new prebuilt system?
As for the fps cap, if they removed it it's because they are working on getting the game running smoothly without the cap, which is a good thing wouldn't you say?
I wasn't trying to sound like I don't want this game to work, I am really excited about this game and allready pre-ordered. I am planning on upgrading my video card. If they can fix everything before release that would be awesome!
Here is my post on the official benchmark thread about my system now and results:
I just ran the test, scored a 1076 with 12762ms load time. I have Windows 7 Home Premium, Quad Q8300, Nvidia GT220, 8GB ram. That score was on low, I also tried on high and scored in the 500s. I know I don't have the most up to date computer, but I can't believe with those specs the game will be (according to the chart on the first post) unplayable for me. I can definitely see this hurting their subs if a machine like mine can't play the game. Anyone have any ideas on what could be causing such a low score? Thanks!
I am no expert or anything but I would think that its your video card. I can buy that card off newegg right now for $70.
Running a graphic intensive game thats just released on an outdated $70 card you cant expect much.
I have a decent system and use a 5850, and my scores are just ok on the benchmark. Upgrade your video card IMO.
Having read some of these posts, don't think i will bother with FF14 now, pity i had high hopes for it, if it's broken in beta they won't have the time to fix it before it launches, unless they put the release back to next year.
It is a pity you base your decision off of what some people said on a forum that only played the beta LOL
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Actually what Bhronn described were features of a mechanic and are definitely able to be adjusted.
That said, the game so far (not much to see yet) is a good one.
Presently, it's head and shoulders above what has been released from across the pacific in the last year in looks, content, and play quality.
My one qualm with the game is that the system requirements are so high that tons of people with 4 or more year old systems will probably have to upgrade in order to be able to play... When folks allude that it's a system hog, they ain't joking.
This automatically lowers the field of potential players to people who are willing to shell out the money to upgrade their systems or folks who have already done so.
People detested FFXI's UI as well until they got used to it.
The current setup is definitely clunky, but if the feedback from the testers is taken, we should see definite improvements.
They'll just replace it anyway.
I hope they'll show off the final client in Gamescom. Whatever changes are being kept from us, will definitely be in that build.
The things i posted were off the top of my head. I didnt go into too much detail because the NDA terms are still iffy. I dont want to break it outright but i did want to give some info.
Now it is true that some things can be fixed and optimized but i will point out that on the beta boards, its pretty apparent that beta 2 was in better shape than beta 3. Theres several reason behind this and i wont go into them but, the game is down now while SE tries to fix the issues with no eta of when they will be back up.
people seem to think theres the fabled miracle patch going to come out but honestly, of 10 betas i have never seen a miracle patch .
Theres a reason i call the core game flawed and it effects every system in the game. To get this game to run on a PS3, they built the game to have most of the information server side. Its why the UI is so slow and brings up errors often when the servers are lagged. its why NPC's dont appear. Its why combat can get stuck. its why you fail a quest if you LD or get kicked. its at the heart of the problem of every system. basically, get 10 other people around you and your gameplay will degrade. its why they tried to limit everyone to 30 fps. Since they took the cap off in beta 3 the issues are way more pronounced and i expect the cap to be replaced on release, if not before.
I am not a hater, i enjoy beta testing games almost as much as playing the release. Ive been doing it for 15+ years. Regardless of how you feel about each mechanic be it battle or quest system, it wont change the fact of how the core game is built.
The more information there is on the server side, the harder it is to create cheat codes and bots.
I wouldn't mind if 90% of the game was server-side, as long as it is optimized enough. And regarding that, you can not say anything conclusive.
Untrue sir. theres already bot programs running in the beta. I wont try to persuade you further tho
So you mean theirs connection/server issues? Not sure if that would count as an issue with the gameplay mechanics itself, but it certainly would effect them.
Disconnects and such are very common in a beta/release, and yea it seems like the issues with the UI being slow/erroring out and combat getting stuck is input lag. It's without a doubt something SE will need to fix before release. Hopefully by removing the cap on FPS like you said, they're trying to work on getting that fixed.
So, not only do we have to go out and buy a 1000 dollar system to play this game, or spend hundreds of dollars upgrading our current systems, but they are capping the FPS at 30!!!! That is just rediculous to me. Maybe they should have never released this game on PC and just released on the PS3 if thats what they were originally designing this game for.
This is some massive irony
The game has been capped at 30 fps for like 5 months now
And the moment they uncap the game, Then you post about them capping it at 30.
I can only congratulate you.
You realize they just uncapped the fps...?
I was actually talking about what Bhronn said about all of the problems that are occuring since they uncapped it from 30 frames. It seems like the only thing they can do since most information is held server side is replace the cap to keep the lag down. But thank you for the congratulations
Honestly if anyone is going to complain about having to buy a modern gaming system with decent specs to play modern game that is pushing current standards then that party should not be searching for a modern game to play. Techonology advances and thus the needs for a better system comes in to play. Be it FFXIV or another modern game, people will have to upgrade it's just the way things work when trying to advance the gaming industry. People can't just sit on the system that has run well for 2 years + and fail to update. There is no reason to enter a race on the autoban if you max out at 65km.
END OF LINE_
~V
Lets believe the random guy on the interwebs!
I am all for upgrading, that wasn't my point. My point was when you spend thousands of dollars on a top gaming rig and only get 30fps it just doesn't make sense to me.
Have you asked for upgrading advice? My computer is about 3-5 years old (id have to look at the receipt) but from what I understand should be able to run the game on low-med graphics.
You shouldn't have to spend anyhwere near $1000 unless your planning on buying an entirely new prebuilt system?
As for the fps cap, if they removed it it's because they are working on getting the game running smoothly without the cap, which is a good thing wouldn't you say?
I wasn't trying to sound like I don't want this game to work, I am really excited about this game and allready pre-ordered. I am planning on upgrading my video card. If they can fix everything before release that would be awesome!
Here is my post on the official benchmark thread about my system now and results:
I just ran the test, scored a 1076 with 12762ms load time. I have Windows 7 Home Premium, Quad Q8300, Nvidia GT220, 8GB ram. That score was on low, I also tried on high and scored in the 500s. I know I don't have the most up to date computer, but I can't believe with those specs the game will be (according to the chart on the first post) unplayable for me. I can definitely see this hurting their subs if a machine like mine can't play the game. Anyone have any ideas on what could be causing such a low score? Thanks!
Well like i said, i am not going to try and persuade anyone. I reported on what the game is like now without any bias or hate to the game system themselves. I didnt post on if i liked or disliked the systems. Just the problems with thier core mechanics.
All I can say in closing is... I had a CE ordered. I canceled it.
NDA partially lifted? Wooot ! Wooot !!
Can we say how utterly crap this and all previous FFs have been now then?
This is total fail.
No this is not trolling or flaming or a personal attack what so ever, it is statement of my valid point of view.
ooo yea really don't use the benchmark to judge your system, there are several things wrong with the way it tests a system, and i'm not sure why SE even released it as it was
you have a good system and a slightly better processor than mine, the only thing I think that would slow the game down is the video card, the GT 220 isn't a very good card from what I understand.
There's people running the beta with the 9800 GT, i believe thats one of the cards they recommend for a cheap price compared to other cards if you do end up needing to upgrade, though it does need a moderate power supply to run it.
Thanks for the input wolf
No MMO is pushing current standards, when it comes to graphics. They simply don't compair to single player games, and that includes FF XIV. No matter the MMO, any lack of FPS is down to simply two things: -
1) A poor gfx/interface design
2) Relience on server side responces.
You should not have to spend thousands on a gaming platform, simply based on graphics. FF XIV also does not advance gaming technology, or mechanics, in anyway.
Yeah. This is not an engineer's game. This is an artist's game.
Leave the engineering for the West.
Having read some of these posts, don't think i will bother with FF14 now, pity i had high hopes for it, if it's broken in beta they won't have the time to fix it before it launches, unless they put the release back to next year.
I am no expert or anything but I would think that its your video card. I can buy that card off newegg right now for $70.
Running a graphic intensive game thats just released on an outdated $70 card you cant expect much.
I have a decent system and use a 5850, and my scores are just ok on the benchmark. Upgrade your video card IMO.
It is a pity you base your decision off of what some people said on a forum that only played the beta LOL