They uncapped it to fix some of the UI issues and latency and errors appearing. heres an example...
The mouse is a software mouse. So at 30 fps it moved sluggishly in beta 2. if your fps dropped below 20 fps in beta 2 then it moved even more slowely or skipped around the screen. the fps drop could be from game performance /lag/ whatever, but it directly effected the UI and the mouse. They uncapped the fps to work on the mouse smoothing and other UI elements. Once those and a few other issues get resolved then the cap will go back in. it will happen before release because you dont want the game to be out 6 months from now, cap the fps for the PS3 and then go thru that shitstorm from PC players.
Each game has a certain threshold where FPS affect game play, when a game client could meet that threshold, anything above that does not affect game play at all. If a PS3 can only run the game at 30 FPS and a PC can run the game at 120 FPS, it does not mean that a PC player can do thing 4 times faster than the a PS3 player. It does not work that way. As long as you are above a certain threshold, FPS does not affect your game play.
Example 2... if you were in a fight and your fps dropped to say 20. Animations and input would also slow down. Since all the info is stored server side if your UI is slow, the gameplay is slow. In beta 2 if your fps dropped you would start to see animation errors or them not going off. You would see it start taking longer for your imput commands to actually register and the dmg take effect on the mob.
This is a render loop slowdown. It has nothing to do with the info being stored on the server side or not. You don't have to be on an MMO to see this effect at all. Load up your favorite resource intensive shooter, on a graphic intensive battle you will see this effect eventhough you are not even connect to the internet at all. The render loop from the graphic engine of the game control all this, it will affect everything. It has nothing to do with info being stored server side or core game mechanic. You misunderstand these concepts. When you are in a graphic lag, the render loop will stuck and since it control pretty much everything, you will not send any more information to the server. So at this time, the server will just assume you are doing nothing and go on. This is how every MMO handle these situations. It will wait until the client send the update before making any changes. This is the situation where graphic lag cause the same effect as a network lag. It makes your client status change reach the server slowly. Ever been in a very big crowd in a major event in [insert your favorite MMO here] where you input a command and your character does it a minute later? Same thing.
Example 3.. Since everything is stored server side and the UI performance is based on your fps, if you were to try and select a skill and put into your hotbar, this was routinly taking 5 to 8 secs to perform. The bigger the drop in fps, the longer the wait. Thats if the info didnt error out.
Lag from any source directly effects your FPS and your FPS directly effects your UI. They uncapped it to work on these issues.
You put a blame on "everything stored server side" yet you don't understand where the source of the problem is. If you FPS drops, of course your game will be unresponsive to you and it will take longer for the game to send any information. It does not mean the opposite is true. A network lag has nothing to do with FPS. A network lag cannot cause your FPS to drop. A network lag cannot cause your character to run in slow motion or doing bullet time. Many big MMOs out there have action bar stored server side including WoW. A drop in the client FPS will cause the slow update to hotbar too. It has nothing to do with storing your information on the server are good or bad. It's your client's performance optimization. On an established and polished MMO like WoW, you don't see this happen because the client performance are very well optimized. If the WoW client ran sluggish, you will see this too.
Edit: this is easy to test even today. Start turning up the video options so that your fps starts to drop and watch how the UI responds. This is also why some utube videos look like the player is enept or combat is slow where in other videos the combat looks faster. This is also why i believe the "core" game is flawed.
You made an incredibly ignorance claim on the "core" game is flawed with a very simple observation. Under a certain threshold, better FPS will make better game play. This is correct. But this is not the "core" game play is flawed. This is game client optimization which involve a lot of things including the debug codes and manything on a beta client. I guess you make an assumption that this will linearly scale up like that and the better FPS you have, the better you game play experience will be. This is just not true.
The only thing I worry about is on an MMORPG, the render loop FPS affects the animation frame rate and inturn affect the sync between skill cast between client and server. But clever programming could fix the issue (WoW did this by redefining second, AION did this by skipping animation frame etc...). Judging from FFXI, I don't have any issue with skill animation and skill effect being out-of-sync at all, I believe Square know how to handle this too. So, lay off the "core" game is flawed will ya. It's not.
Bhronn is just trolling. If you take WoW for example and play it on a very old computer at max settings the fps might dip under 20 fps. Under 20 fps computer video games look juddery, you have to get above 20 fps for the video to start to look fluid. Similarly if you have high latency with server you will see issues with game client. Betas perform a role in allowing client-server issues to be tweaked, and also frame rate issues to be resolved for the very many flavours of GPU PCs have today. On launch for most players with a system in the recommended range XIV will be a very pleasant game to play.
The game is a mess. I have tried to explain it and give good feedback but that goes against most people here who are looking for a new game. Its new and peoples hopes are high and any negative, no matter if its well written non trolling, just goes against those hopes. As such the person who gave the negative comment becomes the bad guy.
Its your money, do with as you please, but know this, everytime you give money to a company that releases a game in this state you propigate more companies doing the same. You hurt the genre.
The game is a mess. I have tried to esxplain it and give good feedback but that goes against most people here who are looking for a new game. Its new and peoples hopes are high and any negative, no matter if its well written non trolling, just goes against those hopes. As such the person who gave the negative comment becomes the bad guy.
its your money, do with as you please, but know this, everytime you give money to a company that releases a game in this state you propigate more companies doing the same. You hurt the genre.
The game is a mess. I have tried to explain it and give good feedback but that goes against most people here who are looking for a new game. Its new and peoples hopes are high and any negative, no matter if its well written non trolling, just goes against those hopes. As such the person who gave the negative comment becomes the bad guy.
Its your money, do with as you please, but know this, everytime you give money to a company that releases a game in this state you propigate more companies doing the same. You hurt the genre.
No, a person who gave negative comment is not a bad guy. However, you took your opinion, your point of view and shove it down our throat as a FACT. See, you say, "The game is a mess" as a FACT. Yet, I can only see it's your opinion. You explained your opinion. That's fine.
But you don't have the whole picture. Nobody does except developers at SE but they are sure not gonna come out and explain themself to us. You can only give your restricted view of a part of the game but you cannot give opinion of the whole game because you do not have such experience.
We can use your words as reference but we cannot take your words as a statement of truth. You see, you have your reasons but I can analyze them and point out to you that you may have overlooked things or misunderstood things.
The game may have been in a bad state, it may be not. But from your posts I can only see that there are still bugs and un-optimized areas. WIll they be fixed in-time for release, I don't know. You don't know. Nobody know. We will have to wait and see.
The game is a mess. I have tried to explain it and give good feedback but that goes against most people here who are looking for a new game. Its new and peoples hopes are high and any negative, no matter if its well written non trolling, just goes against those hopes. As such the person who gave the negative comment becomes the bad guy.
Its your money, do with as you please, but know this, everytime you give money to a company that releases a game in this state you propigate more companies doing the same. You hurt the genre.
No, a person who gave negative comment is not a bad guy. However, you took your opinion, your point of view and shove it down our throat as a FACT. See, you say, "The game is a mess" as a FACT. Yet, I can only see it's your opinion. You explained your opinion. That's fine.
But you don't have the whole picture. Nobody does except developers at SE but they are sure not gonna come out and explain themself to us. You can only give your restricted view of a part of the game but you cannot give opinion of the whole game because you do not have such experience.
We can use your words as reference but we cannot take your words as a statement of truth. You see, you have your reasons but I can analyze them and point out to you that you may have overlooked things or misunderstood things.
The game may have been in a bad state, it may be not. But from your posts I can only see that there are still bugs and un-optimized areas. WIll they be fixed in-time for release, I don't know. You don't know. Nobody know. We will have to wait and see.
The game is a mess. I have tried to explain it and give good feedback but that goes against most people here who are looking for a new game. Its new and peoples hopes are high and any negative, no matter if its well written non trolling, just goes against those hopes. As such the person who gave the negative comment becomes the bad guy.
Its your money, do with as you please, but know this, everytime you give money to a company that releases a game in this state you propigate more companies doing the same. You hurt the genre.
No, a person who gave negative comment is not a bad guy. However, you took your opinion, your point of view and shove it down our throat as a FACT. See, you say, "The game is a mess" as a FACT. Yet, I can only see it's your opinion. You explained your opinion. That's fine.
But you don't have the whole picture. Nobody does except developers at SE but they are sure not gonna come out and explain themself to us. You can only give your restricted view of a part of the game but you cannot give opinion of the whole game because you do not have such experience.
We can use your words as reference but we cannot take your words as a statement of truth. You see, you have your reasons but I can analyze them and point out to you that you may have overlooked things or misunderstood things.
The game may have been in a bad state, it may be not. But from your posts I can only see that there are still bugs and un-optimized areas. WIll they be fixed in-time for release, I don't know. You don't know. Nobody know. We will have to wait and see.
No suprise there, he didn't just say, game is a mess, he listed the reason why and i believe everyone can agree with most of those points and say yes they are not just opinions but a valid problems/issues. (Your once every 2 day quest disapears if you DC, thats not opinion thats a real factual problem [easily fixed im sure but still, YOU MISCHARACTERIZED HIS STATEMENTS, as opinion when he listed specific reasons for his opinion (this makes it a substantiate opinion) and then other fanboi rush in to "I agree" this mischaracterization]. ) While not everything he said is fact , it is a fact that at the GAME CURRENT STATE IS MESSED UP. If you need any evidence of this look at thsi very post. "But from your posts I can only see that there are still bugs and un-optimized areas. WIll they be fixed in-time for release, I don't know. You don't know. Nobody know. We will have to wait and see."
This statement is simply not needed if there are not issue of worth to note. He noted them and people try refuting it with "i thinks" and PURE opinion. The people listing their opinions don't seem to be him, while he has, i see much more fanboi opinion. Futhermore, you condence and minimalize 5-7 valid or presenting issues with ,"still bugs and un-optimized areas".
While it is true we don't know what the game will look like at release, all you can judge it by is its current state. A hyperbole for you: If a new car being released in its test drive spontaniously blows up because of an design flaw, you are not going to go out and buy car when it first comes out, basiclly, you will wait and see until the flaw is fixed for sure to buy it. Well atm FF14 has some creditable issues, if you think they are large enough you may want to wait and see if they are fixed before ... buying the game. But until then those people should hold onto the thought processes of: im not playing the game becuase its a mess (an opinion for sure, but based on the current state of the game) and if they fix it then there is room to re-evaluate.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
And here I thought I would find some nice info about this game but all I see is a bunch of babbling with not much content.
OP did give some valuable info but after that 99% of the post is just pointless bickering.
So now, anyone have anything useful to say about the game? Quality of animations? Soloing viability? PvP? Exp curve?
Happily I can say very little talk of PvP, the leveling process is much easier currently and possibly a bit too easy. Most likely this will find a happy medium by release.
I am hoping I will be in the next wave of beta-testers, which will get their keys 16th august.
If i do, I will tell anything and everything there is to know.
BUT! Remember this.. It's a BETA folks! I don't get why so many people thinks of the beta as the ACTUAL RELEASE. It's completely retarded, and those people doesn't even deserve a beta key.
I am hoping I will be in the next wave of beta-testers, which will get their keys 16th august.
If i do, I will tell anything and everything there is to know.
BUT! Remember this.. It's a BETA folks! I don't get why so many people thinks of the beta as the ACTUAL RELEASE. It's completely retarded, and those people doesn't even deserve a beta key.
Not all beta's are the same. STO released pretty much in the same status as it was in OB. There is only so much a company can do between an OB and actual release. They're not, for instance, going to revamp the entire combat system.
parrotpholk-Because we all know the miracle patch fairy shows up the night before release and sprinkles magic dust on the server to make it allllll better.
The game is a mess. I have tried to explain it and give good feedback but that goes against most people here who are looking for a new game. Its new and peoples hopes are high and any negative, no matter if its well written non trolling, just goes against those hopes. As such the person who gave the negative comment becomes the bad guy.
Its your money, do with as you please, but know this, everytime you give money to a company that releases a game in this state you propigate more companies doing the same. You hurt the genre.
No, a person who gave negative comment is not a bad guy. However, you took your opinion, your point of view and shove it down our throat as a FACT. See, you say, "The game is a mess" as a FACT. Yet, I can only see it's your opinion. You explained your opinion. That's fine.
But you don't have the whole picture. Nobody does except developers at SE but they are sure not gonna come out and explain themself to us. You can only give your restricted view of a part of the game but you cannot give opinion of the whole game because you do not have such experience.
We can use your words as reference but we cannot take your words as a statement of truth. You see, you have your reasons but I can analyze them and point out to you that you may have overlooked things or misunderstood things.
The game may have been in a bad state, it may be not. But from your posts I can only see that there are still bugs and un-optimized areas. WIll they be fixed in-time for release, I don't know. You don't know. Nobody know. We will have to wait and see.
No suprise there, he didn't just say, game is a mess, he listed the reason why and i believe everyone can agree with most of those points and say yes they are not just opinions but a valid problems/issues. (Your once every 2 day quest disapears if you DC, thats not opinion thats a real factual problem [easily fixed im sure but still, YOU MISCHARACTERIZED HIS STATEMENTS, as opinion when he listed specific reasons for his opinion (this makes it a substantiate opinion) and then other fanboi rush in to "I agree" this mischaracterization]. ) While not everything he said is fact , it is a fact that at the GAME CURRENT STATE IS MESSED UP. If you need any evidence of this look at thsi very post. "But from your posts I can only see that there are still bugs and un-optimized areas. WIll they be fixed in-time for release, I don't know. You don't know. Nobody know. We will have to wait and see."
This statement is simply not needed if there are not issue of worth to note. He noted them and people try refuting it with "i thinks" and PURE opinion. The people listing their opinions don't seem to be him, while he has, i see much more fanboi opinion. Futhermore, you condence and minimalize 5-7 valid or presenting issues with ,"still bugs and un-optimized areas".
While it is true we don't know what the game will look like at release, all you can judge it by is its current state. A hyperbole for you: If a new car being released in its test drive spontaniously blows up because of an design flaw, you are not going to go out and buy car when it first comes out, basiclly, you will wait and see until the flaw is fixed for sure to buy it. Well atm FF14 has some creditable issues, if you think they are large enough you may want to wait and see if they are fixed before ... buying the game. But until then those people should hold onto the thought processes of: im not playing the game becuase its a mess (an opinion for sure, but based on the current state of the game) and if they fix it then there is room to re-evaluate.
Some of the things he issues he listed were agreed upon waay earlier in the thread buddy, including as you said, the problem with guild leve's breaking upon D/C's, input lag when using the UI/combat, and an akward control scheme (something subject to personal preferences.) All common beta issues, all fixable if SE wants to, will they? Who knows.
What we disagree on is his opinion, which he implied as a fact, on the design/core mechanics he discusses later in the thread, which he seems to state as matter-of-factly broken to the point that it can't be fixed without redesigning the entire game, for example the recent removal of the FPS cap, which you would've picked up on if you had read the entire thread.
And here I thought I would find some nice info about this game but all I see is a bunch of babbling with not much content.
OP did give some valuable info but after that 99% of the post is just pointless bickering.
So now, anyone have anything useful to say about the game? Quality of animations? Soloing viability? PvP? Exp curve?
I'm not a beta tester, but in one of the beta videos I've watched - the tester mentioned that he reached level 10 (I don't know if he meant physical level or skill rank) in approximately 50 mins. That was in phase 2 of beta. In phase 3, as you probably know, they increased the speed of combat in general and about doubled the damage of all player abilities - not to mention greatly increased the exp rewards of the guildleve quests. So you can bet that it's a pretty brisk pace - atleast in the early levels. I don't think anyone knows about the later levels for sure.
All the guildleve quests can be soloed if you set them to "1 star" solo difficulty. Some of them seem reasonably challenging even then, but are still quite possible. With phase 3 combat improvements, it seems like solo grinding would be quite viable too if you chose that route. Most of the content isn't in beta, so I can't say for sure how much there will be to do yet.
Quality of animations seem to range from decent to clumsy depending on the class/setup, etc. They've mentioned making some improvements to those. Out of combat animations seem to be the most fluid right now, with your character leaning into their turns as they walk and slowing to a stop rather than abruptly braking like most games.
Still no PvP, and according to SE it's not a priority - they have mentioned adding small minigames at a later time, but there won't be any at launch probably.
Don't take my word for all this though, watch some videos:
Im just wondering , when people say that the core mechanics of the game dont work , do they mean that they dont like the design ?? and if they dont , it means the game is broken?? what about everyone else who likes the way it is?
Just makes us stupid fanbois im afraid
"Negaholics are people who become addicted to negativity and self-doubt, they find fault in most things and never seem to be satisfied." ^MMORPG.com
Personally I think SE tries to put console UI onto the pc platform which does not work for most people. This game needs 6 more months in the oven but by that time most of us ill be getting ready for The Old Republic and Guild Wars 2. The game is not horrible but yet it isn't that good either compared to FFXI. Perhaps they should have just upgraded the graphics on FFXI and called it a day. Maybe after a year I'll give this game a look again.
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The game is a mess. I have tried to explain it and give good feedback but that goes against most people here who are looking for a new game. Its new and peoples hopes are high and any negative, no matter if its well written non trolling, just goes against those hopes. As such the person who gave the negative comment becomes the bad guy.
Its your money, do with as you please, but know this, everytime you give money to a company that releases a game in this state you propigate more companies doing the same. You hurt the genre.
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No, a person who gave negative comment is not a bad guy. However, you took your opinion, your point of view and shove it down our throat as a FACT. See, you say, "The game is a mess" as a FACT. Yet, I can only see it's your opinion. You explained your opinion. That's fine.
But you don't have the whole picture. Nobody does except developers at SE but they are sure not gonna come out and explain themself to us. You can only give your restricted view of a part of the game but you cannot give opinion of the whole game because you do not have such experience.
We can use your words as reference but we cannot take your words as a statement of truth. You see, you have your reasons but I can analyze them and point out to you that you may have overlooked things or misunderstood things.
The game may have been in a bad state, it may be not. But from your posts I can only see that there are still bugs and un-optimized areas. WIll they be fixed in-time for release, I don't know. You don't know. Nobody know. We will have to wait and see.
No suprise there, he didn't just say, game is a mess, he listed the reason why and i believe everyone can agree with most of those points and say yes they are not just opinions but a valid problems/issues. (Your once every 2 day quest disapears if you DC, thats not opinion thats a real factual problem [easily fixed im sure but still, YOU MISCHARACTERIZED HIS STATEMENTS, as opinion when he listed specific reasons for his opinion (this makes it a substantiate opinion) and then other fanboi rush in to "I agree" this mischaracterization]. ) While not everything he said is fact , it is a fact that at the GAME CURRENT STATE IS MESSED UP. If you need any evidence of this look at thsi very post. "But from your posts I can only see that there are still bugs and un-optimized areas. WIll they be fixed in-time for release, I don't know. You don't know. Nobody know. We will have to wait and see."
This statement is simply not needed if there are not issue of worth to note. He noted them and people try refuting it with "i thinks" and PURE opinion. The people listing their opinions don't seem to be him, while he has, i see much more fanboi opinion. Futhermore, you condence and minimalize 5-7 valid or presenting issues with ,"still bugs and un-optimized areas".
While it is true we don't know what the game will look like at release, all you can judge it by is its current state. A hyperbole for you: If a new car being released in its test drive spontaniously blows up because of an design flaw, you are not going to go out and buy car when it first comes out, basiclly, you will wait and see until the flaw is fixed for sure to buy it. Well atm FF14 has some creditable issues, if you think they are large enough you may want to wait and see if they are fixed before ... buying the game. But until then those people should hold onto the thought processes of: im not playing the game becuase its a mess (an opinion for sure, but based on the current state of the game) and if they fix it then there is room to re-evaluate.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
And here I thought I would find some nice info about this game but all I see is a bunch of babbling with not much content.
OP did give some valuable info but after that 99% of the post is just pointless bickering.
So now, anyone have anything useful to say about the game? Quality of animations? Soloing viability? PvP? Exp curve?
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Happily I can say very little talk of PvP, the leveling process is much easier currently and possibly a bit too easy. Most likely this will find a happy medium by release.
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I am hoping I will be in the next wave of beta-testers, which will get their keys 16th august.
If i do, I will tell anything and everything there is to know.
BUT! Remember this.. It's a BETA folks! I don't get why so many people thinks of the beta as the ACTUAL RELEASE. It's completely retarded, and those people doesn't even deserve a beta key.
Not all beta's are the same. STO released pretty much in the same status as it was in OB. There is only so much a company can do between an OB and actual release. They're not, for instance, going to revamp the entire combat system.
parrotpholk-Because we all know the miracle patch fairy shows up the night before release and sprinkles magic dust on the server to make it allllll better.
Some of the things he issues he listed were agreed upon waay earlier in the thread buddy, including as you said, the problem with guild leve's breaking upon D/C's, input lag when using the UI/combat, and an akward control scheme (something subject to personal preferences.) All common beta issues, all fixable if SE wants to, will they? Who knows.
What we disagree on is his opinion, which he implied as a fact, on the design/core mechanics he discusses later in the thread, which he seems to state as matter-of-factly broken to the point that it can't be fixed without redesigning the entire game, for example the recent removal of the FPS cap, which you would've picked up on if you had read the entire thread.
I'm not a beta tester, but in one of the beta videos I've watched - the tester mentioned that he reached level 10 (I don't know if he meant physical level or skill rank) in approximately 50 mins. That was in phase 2 of beta. In phase 3, as you probably know, they increased the speed of combat in general and about doubled the damage of all player abilities - not to mention greatly increased the exp rewards of the guildleve quests. So you can bet that it's a pretty brisk pace - atleast in the early levels. I don't think anyone knows about the later levels for sure.
All the guildleve quests can be soloed if you set them to "1 star" solo difficulty. Some of them seem reasonably challenging even then, but are still quite possible. With phase 3 combat improvements, it seems like solo grinding would be quite viable too if you chose that route. Most of the content isn't in beta, so I can't say for sure how much there will be to do yet.
Quality of animations seem to range from decent to clumsy depending on the class/setup, etc. They've mentioned making some improvements to those. Out of combat animations seem to be the most fluid right now, with your character leaning into their turns as they walk and slowing to a stop rather than abruptly braking like most games.
Still no PvP, and according to SE it's not a priority - they have mentioned adding small minigames at a later time, but there won't be any at launch probably.
Don't take my word for all this though, watch some videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3JZT9X6CcE&feature=related
Just makes us stupid fanbois im afraid
"Negaholics are people who become addicted to negativity and self-doubt, they find fault in most things and never seem to be satisfied."
^MMORPG.com
Quality of animations? They arnt bad... but not the best either.
Soloing viability?You can solo just as easy as you can in wow.
PvP?There is no pvp atm.
Exp curve?Couldnt really tell you since they may slow it down for release.(yes just a rumor)
"Negaholics are people who become addicted to negativity and self-doubt, they find fault in most things and never seem to be satisfied."
^MMORPG.com
Personally I think SE tries to put console UI onto the pc platform which does not work for most people. This game needs 6 more months in the oven but by that time most of us ill be getting ready for The Old Republic and Guild Wars 2. The game is not horrible but yet it isn't that good either compared to FFXI. Perhaps they should have just upgraded the graphics on FFXI and called it a day. Maybe after a year I'll give this game a look again.