I wouldn't hold my breath that the game will be something really new and fresh. Veteran MMO players will recognize most of the game but it will not look and feel like Wow.
Blizzard rarely do something we never seen before, they are more the kind of people that look on what other have done before and tries to make it better.
I think it is some kind of Sci-fi game myself, but it surely will have some features from EQ/Wow anyways. Probably the holy triad combat mechanics too.
Won't happen in a million years but if they come up with a really in deapth 'living world' sandbox with the polish they put into wow, they would pretty much dominate the market no? I see no point in re-doing a wow fantasy game tbh, they already have one that has shown it's ageing well and keeping subs so why bother taking subs from your own existing product.
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WoW is moving more and more towards easy access and casuall gameplay.. WoW is currently the perfect game for people new to the genre.
With the simplifying of the game Blizzard is creating room on the other side of the spectrum. An open hardcore game targeted at hardcore and experienced MMO player...
Where WoW is becomming more and more of a thempark, this leaves room for a more open world game with lots of PvP and hardcore gameplay. For Blizzard it is important that both games don't compete to much with eachother.
So i do expect that the game will be much more hardcore with things like an FPS targeting mechanisme. But with the same Blizzard Graphics style.
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
You put on a pair of classes and suddenly your in a new world.. You feel your the character, you feel the pain, etc.
This CAN be made and WILL be made. Maybe not their next MMO, but I'm certain it will be Blizzard who are creatin this.. Maybe not in the next 5 - 8 years, but certainly in 10-20 years. I'm sure.
I guess as they are all about the "big bucks" it will be something they will want to appeal to the masses - so something fun, not too serious, something that will again run on most PC's, will appeal to all age ranges, and will have long term appeal.
So, the graphics will be better than WoW, but not "next gen" - as they wont want to make people upgrade machines.
Sand box games have never been shown to be fun enough for the "everyman" so thats doubtful. Lich King showed what instance based scripted stories can do, so I would expect that tech to be in there. Soloable proved to be a big money spinner, so thats probably likely. However, their "fantasy in jokes" have been pretty exhausted in WoW, so probably a new setting. Plus they will want WoW to continue for several more years yet, so it wont directly compete. Star Craft has proved to be massive, so likely a Sci-Fi setting of somekind, possibly aiming to compete with the new Star Wars game.
They will want new players to find it simple to get into, so it will be "hand holding" for the first 10-20 levels.
Their mount and pet selling online has proved to be a big money spinner, so likely to have some sort of disguised cash shop.
So - all in all - yes, I expect it will be an updated theme park game, with all the best new ideas from modern games going in there (public quests from WAR, open air PVP sieges, storylines from SWTOR, climbable walls and destructable scenery from EQ2, and all the best bits from the last WoW expansions).
I want to state somthing that many have forgotton, back in the day of WoW its graphics on max are hard too push. The game's graphics were pretty decent and good for its age, Crysis came out 2 Years later which is the only outstanding game graphics around that time and that is still 2 years down the road from WoW.Also SC2 uses Next gen graphics and so will Diablo 3 and I'm 100% sure so will this MMO.
I voted Yes to this poll. They will make it rehashed WoW. Millions of people will flok to it and it will continue to hold back the MMO Genre... I will play it... You will play it... We will all play it... Blizzard produces legal crack and they have the best crack in the world why change the ingredients. You all say Blizzard will do somthing diffrent because they don't want to steal WoW thunder... WoW has a grim destiny its already taking its turn, Why not have a new MMO ready to take its place to make people addicted and hold on too being top dog in the market. Blizzard is just planning for furture that they know is coming.
First of all I don't think it will be fantasy-based. WoW covers most of the fundamental fantasy mechanics (elves, magic, dragons, etc), so I think it will be an alternate setting. Basing an MMO off Starcraft would be interesting. When you look at Blizzard over the last decade, they haven't exactly been creative in making brand new IPs.
That said, I wonder if they might look into a few of the less-utilized settings: steampunk (I think one of Blizzard's predecesors was involved in the publishing the game Arcanum, if I recall) or Mechs (a very popular pop culture concept worldwide).
I guess as they are all about the "big bucks" it will be something they will want to appeal to the masses - so something fun, not too serious, something that will again run on most PC's, will appeal to all age ranges, and will have long term appeal.
So, the graphics will be better than WoW, but not "next gen" - as they wont want to make people upgrade machines.
Sand box games have never been shown to be fun enough for the "everyman" so thats doubtful. Lich King showed what instance based scripted stories can do, so I would expect that tech to be in there. Soloable proved to be a big money spinner, so thats probably likely. However, their "fantasy in jokes" have been pretty exhausted in WoW, so probably a new setting. Plus they will want WoW to continue for several more years yet, so it wont directly compete. Star Craft has proved to be massive, so likely a Sci-Fi setting of somekind, possibly aiming to compete with the new Star Wars game.
They will want new players to find it simple to get into, so it will be "hand holding" for the first 10-20 levels.
Their mount and pet selling online has proved to be a big money spinner, so likely to have some sort of disguised cash shop.
So - all in all - yes, I expect it will be an updated theme park game, with all the best new ideas from modern games going in there (public quests from WAR, open air PVP sieges, storylines from SWTOR, climbable walls and destructable scenery from EQ2, and all the best bits from the last WoW expansions).
I want to state somthing that many have forgotton, back in the day of WoW its graphics on max are hard too push. The game's graphics were pretty decent and good for its age, Crysis came out 2 Years later which is the only outstanding game graphics around that time and that is still 2 years down the road from WoW.Also SC2 uses Next gen graphics and so will Diablo 3 and I'm 100% sure so will this MMO.
I voted Yes to this poll. They will make it rehashed WoW. Millions of people will flok to it and it will continue to hold back the MMO Genre... I will play it... You will play it... We will all play it... Blizzard produces legal crack and they have the best crack in the world why change the ingredients. You all say Blizzard will do somthing diffrent because they don't want to steal WoW thunder... WoW has a grim destiny its already taking its turn, Why not have a new MMO ready to take its place to make people addicted and hold on too being top dog in the market. Blizzard is just planning for furture that they know is coming.
Sorry to wake you up, but at release people could play WoW on a 4 year old PC.
But with WoW's graphics style pixel count isn't the most important.
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
Sorry to tell you look at games from its time. I have a 2007 Computer and can only run at half setting my Alianware laptop when standing in Dalaran pulls 36 FPS at max. Dark and Light a game from its time realased the same year if I'm not mistakan looks only slighly better and it only looks slightly better because It usesless chartoony graphics. You dillusion if you think that the game was behind its time at realese. This next MMO will present next gen graphics.
I have a hard time thinking blizzard will stray from the path they've already laid out, and if you look at the trend of all their games it's kind of in their nature to stick to what they know works because it has in the past already.
Wouldn't be surprized if this new game they're working on is just called World of Warcraft 2, since making sequels is something they like doing.
Whenever I play another non fantasy MMO, I always have that nagging feeling ... now if this had been made by Blizzard...
It happened to me with EVE, AoC, Pirates of the Burning Sea, Tabula Rasa, Star Trek....
The other MMO's (Lotro, War, ...) were too close to Fantasy to get that feeling, but I think you get what I mean.
I even think that the campaign edition of SC2 had more story telling than ST ... (which I admit only played in Beta).
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I would give a lot for a game like Pirates of the Burning Sea made by Blizzard. Was Pirates still "hot" in 2008 (time when they decided on the Lore with Kaplan going to the project) ???
I think this example alone shows there are a LOT of opportunies for an MMO (that still would include all kinds of great play and players (women/men alike)).
Whenever I play another non fantasy MMO, I always have that nagging feeling ... now if this had been made by Blizzard...
It happened to me with EVE, AoC, Pirates of the Burning Sea, Tabula Rasa, Star Trek....
The other MMO's (Lotro, War, ...) were too close to Fantasy to get that feeling, but I think you get what I mean.
I even think that the campaign edition of SC2 had more story telling than ST ... (which I admit only played in Beta).
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I would give a lot for a game like Pirates of the Burning Sea made by Blizzard. Was Pirates still "hot" in 2008 (time when they decided on the Lore with Kaplan going to the project) ???
I think this example alone shows there are a LOT of opportunies for an MMO (that still would include all kinds of great play and players (women/men alike)).
So "it" will certainly NOT be a fantasy WOW game.
Yes, while playing EVE I often got that nagging feeling as well that if only Blizzard had got their hands on it, what a game it would be.
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I went the optimist route and voted no, because there's a type of distant future sci-fi game I'd like to see, and so I really hope Blizzard will go that route.
Blizzard, with its budget and repuation, could take a chance with the sci-fi genre and do things no one else can. I'm hoping to see a highly polished, enjoyable, galaxy sweeping game world, with space travel and combat, and with enough players subbed to fill it (that last bit in particular is something I believe no other game developer can hope to achieve for the forseeable future). I'm also hoping Blizzard will go outside the WoW formula to provide richer, more detailed crafting, skill options, species and class combos, player colony worlds, and player housing.
Well, here's hoping. I'm probably not going to get what I want, but if a game like this ever turns up, I'm subbing.
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I don't think Blizz will make a WoW clone, and here's why:
Everyone that likes WoW...is playing WoW. So why would they make another WoW-esque game? I think they will make something that will try to pull in all of the people that DON'T like WoW and therefore are not playing WoW. Why recapture a market population that you already have? Why not try to grab for even MORE of the gaming market....the ones that don't like your currect offering? That makes more sense....at least to me.
I think Blizzard will of course build on what made WOW successful, I can't see them going off and catering to a niche market on any of their games. It will be popular, easy to play and enjoy, but not necessarily complicated or full of arcane MMO mechanics that some people (like me) prefer.
I assume they will not want to scavenge their WOW playerbase too much, so they might try to build a game that appeals to a different audience, something with a space theme perhaps, but I don't believe it will be yet another generic fantasy title.
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I think Blizzard will of course build on what made WOW successful, I can't see them going off and catering to a niche market on any of their games. It will be popular, easy to play and enjoy, but not necessarily complicated or full of arcane MMO mechanics that some people (like me) prefer.
I assume they will not want to scavenge their WOW playerbase too much, so they might try to build a game that appeals to a different audience, something with a space theme perhaps, but I don't believe it will be yet another generic fantasy title.
Yup...that's what I'm thinking too. Why take from your present huge success when you can make something that appeals to another broad subset of players and retain your other subscribers and garner even MORE?
If Blizzard manages to bring something new and refreshing (using the galactic budget that they have), they will shred every "F2P" and half baked MMO out there, absorbing all of their players back into their playerbase.
How funny would it be if Blizzard exterminated all the small and dodgy Wow-copies.
Blizzard has already said it's not going to be based on Warcraft, Diablo, or Starcraft.
Unless by "WoW clone" you mean an mmo that uses a standard mmo interface. Why mess with something that actually works well and does the job? After all, it's not like they're going to make a voice command and foot pedal operated game or anything like that.
Whatever it is, it will be extremely interesting to see it revealed.
Personally I dont think Blizzard would want to cannibalise their own existing playerbase. I think they'll be more likely to try and swipe someone else's. What online game has a massive presence that Blizzard might cast their gaze, vast, cool and unsympathetic, on?
This is an excellent point. They HAVE the "WoW" market...they need to reel in what's left.
Here's my question then...will it be F2P or P2P? Is this new game designed to go after the "Free Realms" type player or will they be going after Sci-fi (EVE/SWTOR) players?
Surely the game will be designed with a "WoW" influence, they'd be fools not to design the game that way given their sucess.
WoW is moving more and more towards easy access and casuall gameplay.. WoW is currently the perfect game for people new to the genre.
With the simplifying of the game Blizzard is creating room on the other side of the spectrum. An open hardcore game targeted at hardcore and experienced MMO player...
Where WoW is becomming more and more of a thempark, this leaves room for a more open world game with lots of PvP and hardcore gameplay. For Blizzard it is important that both games don't compete to much with eachother.
So i do expect that the game will be much more hardcore with things like an FPS targeting mechanisme. But with the same Blizzard Graphics style.
/agree
Nearly all of World of Warcraft player base are new players. Blizzard caters to these people inccessantly and provides them with a warm, fuzzy playland and I don't think you'll see them frying too much from their cash cow.
WoW2 will be more themepark, more funneled content & more of marketing...
Which is really good for the industry, because once these 10 million refugee stop looking and shopping around, then sooner we will stop seeing glitzed-out, half-az'd games like Aion, Conan, etc..
Meaning once these half-witted games stop surviving on WoW outcast looking for something new, the sooner that business model (quick cash) will die and real adventure games can start being made again, outaide the shadow of WoW.
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WoW is moving more and more towards easy access and casuall gameplay.. WoW is currently the perfect game for people new to the genre.
With the simplifying of the game Blizzard is creating room on the other side of the spectrum. An open hardcore game targeted at hardcore and experienced MMO player...
Where WoW is becomming more and more of a thempark, this leaves room for a more open world game with lots of PvP and hardcore gameplay. For Blizzard it is important that both games don't compete to much with eachother.
So i do expect that the game will be much more hardcore with things like an FPS targeting mechanisme. But with the same Blizzard Graphics style.
/agree
Nearly all of World of Warcraft player base are new players. Blizzard caters to these people inccessantly and provides them with a warm, fuzzy playland and I don't think you'll see them frying too much from their cash cow.
WoW2 will be more themepark, more funneled content & more of marketing...
Which is really good for the industry, because once these 10 million refugee stop looking and shopping around, then sooner we will stop seeing glitzed-out, half-az'd games like Aion, Conan, etc..
Meaning once these half-witted games stop surviving on WoW outcast looking for something new, the sooner that business model (quick cash) will die and real adventure games can start being made again, outaide the shadow of WoW.
Won't happen. Casuals have been discovererd to be where the real money is at, not the hardcore players. I expect that there will still be tons more casual friendly games and that this new MMO will be more of the same. The really hardcore games are more of a niche market today. That day is over. Why can't people get this? Might as well ask for 8 tracks to come back and disco or 80s buttrock and stupid hairdoos.
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I wouldn't hold my breath that the game will be something really new and fresh. Veteran MMO players will recognize most of the game but it will not look and feel like Wow.
Blizzard rarely do something we never seen before, they are more the kind of people that look on what other have done before and tries to make it better.
I think it is some kind of Sci-fi game myself, but it surely will have some features from EQ/Wow anyways. Probably the holy triad combat mechanics too.
Won't happen in a million years but if they come up with a really in deapth 'living world' sandbox with the polish they put into wow, they would pretty much dominate the market no? I see no point in re-doing a wow fantasy game tbh, they already have one that has shown it's ageing well and keeping subs so why bother taking subs from your own existing product.
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I just hope they make something NEW instead of the old SC, WC or Diablo as their new mmo(rp)g.
I have been a Blizz fan for years.....since Lost Vikings and they always make me go like......"must....play it !!"
Altough i wasnt a big fan of SC2 i must admit the storyline is amazing and totaly worth its bucks for me.
Whatever the new game will be......it will be great.
WoW is moving more and more towards easy access and casuall gameplay.. WoW is currently the perfect game for people new to the genre.
With the simplifying of the game Blizzard is creating room on the other side of the spectrum. An open hardcore game targeted at hardcore and experienced MMO player...
Where WoW is becomming more and more of a thempark, this leaves room for a more open world game with lots of PvP and hardcore gameplay. For Blizzard it is important that both games don't compete to much with eachother.
So i do expect that the game will be much more hardcore with things like an FPS targeting mechanisme. But with the same Blizzard Graphics style.
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
Or maybe they'll make evolution - Reality game
You put on a pair of classes and suddenly your in a new world.. You feel your the character, you feel the pain, etc.
This CAN be made and WILL be made. Maybe not their next MMO, but I'm certain it will be Blizzard who are creatin this.. Maybe not in the next 5 - 8 years, but certainly in 10-20 years. I'm sure.
I want to state somthing that many have forgotton, back in the day of WoW its graphics on max are hard too push. The game's graphics were pretty decent and good for its age, Crysis came out 2 Years later which is the only outstanding game graphics around that time and that is still 2 years down the road from WoW.Also SC2 uses Next gen graphics and so will Diablo 3 and I'm 100% sure so will this MMO.
I voted Yes to this poll. They will make it rehashed WoW. Millions of people will flok to it and it will continue to hold back the MMO Genre... I will play it... You will play it... We will all play it... Blizzard produces legal crack and they have the best crack in the world why change the ingredients. You all say Blizzard will do somthing diffrent because they don't want to steal WoW thunder... WoW has a grim destiny its already taking its turn, Why not have a new MMO ready to take its place to make people addicted and hold on too being top dog in the market. Blizzard is just planning for furture that they know is coming.
its getting deep in here, i better get my hip waders.
First of all I don't think it will be fantasy-based. WoW covers most of the fundamental fantasy mechanics (elves, magic, dragons, etc), so I think it will be an alternate setting. Basing an MMO off Starcraft would be interesting. When you look at Blizzard over the last decade, they haven't exactly been creative in making brand new IPs.
That said, I wonder if they might look into a few of the less-utilized settings: steampunk (I think one of Blizzard's predecesors was involved in the publishing the game Arcanum, if I recall) or Mechs (a very popular pop culture concept worldwide).
Sorry to wake you up, but at release people could play WoW on a 4 year old PC.
But with WoW's graphics style pixel count isn't the most important.
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
Sorry to tell you look at games from its time. I have a 2007 Computer and can only run at half setting my Alianware laptop when standing in Dalaran pulls 36 FPS at max. Dark and Light a game from its time realased the same year if I'm not mistakan looks only slighly better and it only looks slightly better because It usesless chartoony graphics. You dillusion if you think that the game was behind its time at realese. This next MMO will present next gen graphics.
I have a hard time thinking blizzard will stray from the path they've already laid out, and if you look at the trend of all their games it's kind of in their nature to stick to what they know works because it has in the past already.
Wouldn't be surprized if this new game they're working on is just called World of Warcraft 2, since making sequels is something they like doing.
Whenever I play another non fantasy MMO, I always have that nagging feeling ... now if this had been made by Blizzard...
It happened to me with EVE, AoC, Pirates of the Burning Sea, Tabula Rasa, Star Trek....
The other MMO's (Lotro, War, ...) were too close to Fantasy to get that feeling, but I think you get what I mean.
I even think that the campaign edition of SC2 had more story telling than ST ...
(which I admit only played in Beta).
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I would give a lot for a game like Pirates of the Burning Sea made by Blizzard. Was Pirates still "hot" in 2008 (time when they decided on the Lore with Kaplan going to the project) ???
I think this example alone shows there are a LOT of opportunies for an MMO (that still would include all kinds of great play and players (women/men alike)).
So "it" will certainly NOT be a fantasy WOW game.
Yes, while playing EVE I often got that nagging feeling as well that if only Blizzard had got their hands on it, what a game it would be.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
WOW copied Everquest. You don't understand.
I went the optimist route and voted no, because there's a type of distant future sci-fi game I'd like to see, and so I really hope Blizzard will go that route.
Blizzard, with its budget and repuation, could take a chance with the sci-fi genre and do things no one else can. I'm hoping to see a highly polished, enjoyable, galaxy sweeping game world, with space travel and combat, and with enough players subbed to fill it (that last bit in particular is something I believe no other game developer can hope to achieve for the forseeable future). I'm also hoping Blizzard will go outside the WoW formula to provide richer, more detailed crafting, skill options, species and class combos, player colony worlds, and player housing.
Well, here's hoping. I'm probably not going to get what I want, but if a game like this ever turns up, I'm subbing.
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I don't think Blizz will make a WoW clone, and here's why:
Everyone that likes WoW...is playing WoW. So why would they make another WoW-esque game? I think they will make something that will try to pull in all of the people that DON'T like WoW and therefore are not playing WoW. Why recapture a market population that you already have? Why not try to grab for even MORE of the gaming market....the ones that don't like your currect offering? That makes more sense....at least to me.
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Even if it's not a WoW "clone", it's going to be the same dumbed down, simplistic, shallow, instant gratification game design as WoW.
Blizzard likes their ridiculously large subscriber bases, so there's no reason why they'd move away from the "apease the masses" design philosophy.
I think Blizzard will of course build on what made WOW successful, I can't see them going off and catering to a niche market on any of their games. It will be popular, easy to play and enjoy, but not necessarily complicated or full of arcane MMO mechanics that some people (like me) prefer.
I assume they will not want to scavenge their WOW playerbase too much, so they might try to build a game that appeals to a different audience, something with a space theme perhaps, but I don't believe it will be yet another generic fantasy title.
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Yup...that's what I'm thinking too. Why take from your present huge success when you can make something that appeals to another broad subset of players and retain your other subscribers and garner even MORE?
Maybe "Farmville: The MMO." LMAO
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Project Hydra was Diablo III lol, old news is old
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If Blizzard manages to bring something new and refreshing (using the galactic budget that they have), they will shred every "F2P" and half baked MMO out there, absorbing all of their players back into their playerbase.
How funny would it be if Blizzard exterminated all the small and dodgy Wow-copies.
Blizzard has already said it's not going to be based on Warcraft, Diablo, or Starcraft.
Unless by "WoW clone" you mean an mmo that uses a standard mmo interface. Why mess with something that actually works well and does the job? After all, it's not like they're going to make a voice command and foot pedal operated game or anything like that.
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This is an excellent point. They HAVE the "WoW" market...they need to reel in what's left.
Here's my question then...will it be F2P or P2P? Is this new game designed to go after the "Free Realms" type player or will they be going after Sci-fi (EVE/SWTOR) players?
Surely the game will be designed with a "WoW" influence, they'd be fools not to design the game that way given their sucess.
/agree
Nearly all of World of Warcraft player base are new players. Blizzard caters to these people inccessantly and provides them with a warm, fuzzy playland and I don't think you'll see them frying too much from their cash cow.
WoW2 will be more themepark, more funneled content & more of marketing...
Which is really good for the industry, because once these 10 million refugee stop looking and shopping around, then sooner we will stop seeing glitzed-out, half-az'd games like Aion, Conan, etc..
Meaning once these half-witted games stop surviving on WoW outcast looking for something new, the sooner that business model (quick cash) will die and real adventure games can start being made again, outaide the shadow of WoW.
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Won't happen. Casuals have been discovererd to be where the real money is at, not the hardcore players. I expect that there will still be tons more casual friendly games and that this new MMO will be more of the same. The really hardcore games are more of a niche market today. That day is over. Why can't people get this? Might as well ask for 8 tracks to come back and disco or 80s buttrock and stupid hairdoos.