WoW is moving more and more towards easy access and casuall gameplay.. WoW is currently the perfect game for people new to the genre.
With the simplifying of the game Blizzard is creating room on the other side of the spectrum. An open hardcore game targeted at hardcore and experienced MMO player...
Where WoW is becomming more and more of a thempark, this leaves room for a more open world game with lots of PvP and hardcore gameplay. For Blizzard it is important that both games don't compete to much with eachother.
So i do expect that the game will be much more hardcore with things like an FPS targeting mechanisme. But with the same Blizzard Graphics style.
/agree
Nearly all of World of Warcraft player base are new players. Blizzard caters to these people inccessantly and provides them with a warm, fuzzy playland and I don't think you'll see them frying too much from their cash cow.
WoW2 will be more themepark, more funneled content & more of marketing...
Which is really good for the industry, because once these 10 million refugee stop looking and shopping around, then sooner we will stop seeing glitzed-out, half-az'd games like Aion, Conan, etc..
Meaning once these half-witted games stop surviving on WoW outcast looking for something new, the sooner that business model (quick cash) will die and real adventure games can start being made again, outaide the shadow of WoW.
Won't happen. Casuals have been discovererd to be where the real money is at, not the hardcore players. I expect that there will still be tons more casual friendly games and that this new MMO will be more of the same. The really hardcore games are more of a niche market today. That day is over. Why can't people get this? Might as well ask for 8 tracks to come back and disco or 80s buttrock and stupid hairdoos.
What won't happen..?
That blizzard next game won't be ultra casual, making even more money off children..? Leaving other children seeking wow clones to collapse... thus freeing up the market space for adult games that have challenge to them..? (ie: EQ next)
You don't need a millions subs, to have a succesful MMO.. many of the veteran gamers really don't care where these kids go... just get them out of all these messege boards, trying to carebear up the whole MMO market. It's a pandemic!
I hope WoW2 has 25 million subscribers...
That would mean 25 million less kids in other games.
"No they are not charity. That is where the whales come in. (I play for free. Whales pays.) Devs get a business. That is how it works."
Whatever it is, it will be extremely interesting to see it revealed.
Personally I dont think Blizzard would want to cannibalise their own existing playerbase. I think they'll be more likely to try and swipe someone else's. What online game has a massive presence that Blizzard might cast their gaze, vast, cool and unsympathetic, on?
This is an excellent point. They HAVE the "WoW" market...they need to reel in what's left.
Here's my question then...will it be F2P or P2P? Is this new game designed to go after the "Free Realms" type player or will they be going after Sci-fi (EVE/SWTOR) players?
Surely the game will be designed with a "WoW" influence, they'd be fools not to design the game that way given their sucess.
Everybody knows an MMO can't live forever, and you sure as heck can't keep raising the level cap time after time, the stats are getting ridiculous and the steps a noobs have to go through are getting ridiculous aswell, you have to grind yourself through zone after zone after zone of emptyness, empty PVE, dumbed down quests which u have to solo (used to be group quests), untill you hit that zone which actually holds some players.
Might be a better idea to secretly build a new ship and act like its a sailing boat (F2P) while it's actually a racing boat (P2P) which can hold and reward all your existing passangers (players), so you can abandon that sinking ship you've build in 2005. Or do you think they'll create something new with no link to wow while they let it die slowly ?
Nearly all of World of Warcraft player base are new players. Blizzard caters to these people inccessantly and provides them with a warm, fuzzy playland and I don't think you'll see them frying too much from their cash cow.
I know it's trendy to insult WOW and its players, but you're just talking out your ass. WOW has plenty of old and new players alike. Most of the people I play WOW with have been around since the game launched.
Nearly all of World of Warcraft player base are new players. Blizzard caters to these people inccessantly and provides them with a warm, fuzzy playland and I don't think you'll see them frying too much from their cash cow.
I know it's trendy to insult WOW and its players, but you're just talking out your ass. WOW has plenty of old and new players alike. Most of the people I play WOW with have been around since the game launched.
The word "new" there meant new to MMOs, meaning thta WoW was likely one of their first MMOs, if not the first. Many people have been playing WoW since early in the game's life, but many of them were not people playing MMOs much if at all before that.
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it." Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
Nearly all of World of Warcraft player base are new players. Blizzard caters to these people inccessantly and provides them with a warm, fuzzy playland and I don't think you'll see them frying too much from their cash cow.
I know it's trendy to insult WOW and its players, but you're just talking out your ass. WOW has plenty of old and new players alike. Most of the people I play WOW with have been around since the game launched.
My friend, you really need to educate yourself on the facts. It doesn't matter if some 30, or 40 year olds play World of Warcraft, the majority are children.
I beta tested WoW... realized that is wasn't meant for someone who already plays such games. But 2 years later @ a family reuinion 4 of my neices all had characterchures of their WoW characters on their shirts..
They are now teenagers and 1 driving now. (still children)
Last year, at a 4th of July party at the park, there was an entire girls AYSO soccer teams, who are ALSO a guild within Warcraft...
Nobody is insulting anyone when they cal World of Warcraft a children's game... it is.
"No they are not charity. That is where the whales come in. (I play for free. Whales pays.) Devs get a business. That is how it works."
I love how everyone says Blizzard rips off other games ideas as if it were a bad thing. Haha. I think of Bliz as the Dupont of the gaming community. They take what other games do and make them better.
I'm sure Blizz will make the game similar and different. It will be a derivitive in that end-game will most likely be stressed and raids will probably be a major factor. Leveling won't be terrible and most likely they will make a bundle. This is a business after all, catering to your fan base is what a company is supposed to do. As they say the customer is always right, or as my grandpa says someone will always be nice to you when they are taking your money. So as long as Blizz takes our money they will be nice to us and let us play what we want.
Actually your facts are off. There have been several studies showing the average age of warcraft players are around 30. They have been posted on this site, you can find them if you wish to.
And since the majority of people playing are not children, anyone who says it is a childrens game is just trying to be insulting and condescending to those that do play it.
Also the game has been out for a number of years now so unless they have a greater than 50% turnover every year the majority are no longer new to MMO's either.
Venge Sunsoar
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
Actually your facts are off. There have been several studies showing the average age of warcraft players are around 30. They have been posted on this site, you can find them if you wish to.
And since the majority of people playing are not children, anyone who says it is a childrens game is just trying to be insulting and condescending to those that do play it.
Also the game has been out for a number of years now so unless they have a greater than 50% turnover every year the majority are no longer new to MMO's either.
Venge Sunsoar
The average age is 26.. but for every million players in the 30's & 40's, there are equal players in the teens.. to hit that average... there are actually moar kids, than adults.. because there are people who are 50 playing too.. but not people who are 3.. (take a statistics class)
Secondly, nobody said that adults wouldn't, or can't enjoy a chilldren's game. These are not insults, as any Dad playing will tell you, that their kids know more about the game.
That has nothing to do with the remedial challenges the game offers. If you are insulted, then you'll understand how those of us who have been inadated and barraged with children's games throughout the MMO spectrum over the years, without an respect to veteran roldeplayers... etc.
And yes, playing MMO's for the last 4 years, is nothing to playing for the last 13..
"No they are not charity. That is where the whales come in. (I play for free. Whales pays.) Devs get a business. That is how it works."
Actually your facts are off. There have been several studies showing the average age of warcraft players are around 30. They have been posted on this site, you can find them if you wish to.
And since the majority of people playing are not children, anyone who says it is a childrens game is just trying to be insulting and condescending to those that do play it.
Also the game has been out for a number of years now so unless they have a greater than 50% turnover every year the majority are no longer new to MMO's either.
Venge Sunsoar
The average age is 26.. but for every million players in the 30's & 40's, there are equal players in the teens.. to hit that average... there are actually moar kids, than adults.. because there are people who are 50 playing too.. but not people who are 3.. (take a statistics class)
Secondly, nobody said that adults wouldn't, or can't enjoy a chilldren's game. These are not insults, as any Dad playing will tell you, that their kids know more about the game.
That has nothing to do with the remedial challenges the game offers. If you are insulted, then you'll understand how those of us who have been inadated and barraged with children's games throughout the MMO spectrum over the years, without an respect to veteran roldeplayers... etc.
And yes, playing MMO's for the last 4 years, is nothing to playing for the last 13..
No , you are wrong. There are more adults by far than kids in WoW. An average age of 26 while most are in their 20s and 30s. Even 18 is an adult and there would have to be a ton of 30 year olds just to bring that average age up to 26. Lets face it , there are 50 year olds, 60 year olds but what? 1 % of wow if that? Hell, we know there arent many "old" people playing. There would have to be a huge majority of people in their 30's just to bring the average up to a 26 from the kids and 20 year olds that play. Im too lazy to go find stats ... just using common sense. Im sure you could look em up though and prove your flawed logic wrong.
Actually your facts are off. There have been several studies showing the average age of warcraft players are around 30. They have been posted on this site, you can find them if you wish to.
And since the majority of people playing are not children, anyone who says it is a childrens game is just trying to be insulting and condescending to those that do play it.
Also the game has been out for a number of years now so unless they have a greater than 50% turnover every year the majority are no longer new to MMO's either.
Venge Sunsoar
The average age is 26.. but for every million players in the 30's & 40's, there are equal players in the teens.. to hit that average... there are actually moar kids, than adults.. because there are people who are 50 playing too.. but not people who are 3.. (take a statistics class)
Secondly, nobody said that adults wouldn't, or can't enjoy a chilldren's game. These are not insults, as any Dad playing will tell you, that their kids know more about the game.
That has nothing to do with the remedial challenges the game offers. If you are insulted, then you'll understand how those of us who have been inadated and barraged with children's games throughout the MMO spectrum over the years, without an respect to veteran roldeplayers... etc.
And yes, playing MMO's for the last 4 years, is nothing to playing for the last 13..
No , you are wrong. There are more adults by far than kids in WoW. An average age of 26 while most are in their 20s and 30s. Even 18 is an adult and there would have to be a ton of 30 year olds just to bring that average age up to 26. Lets face it , there are 50 year olds, 60 year olds but what? 1 % of wow if that? Hell, we know there arent many "old" people playing. There would have to be a huge majority of people in their 30's just to bring the average up to a 26 from the kids and 20 year olds that play. Im too lazy to go find stats ... just using common sense. Im sure you could look em up though and prove your flawed logic wrong.
lol...
It is still a children's game bro.. even if you don't understand how statistcs work
"No they are not charity. That is where the whales come in. (I play for free. Whales pays.) Devs get a business. That is how it works."
Actually your facts are off. There have been several studies showing the average age of warcraft players are around 30. They have been posted on this site, you can find them if you wish to.
And since the majority of people playing are not children, anyone who says it is a childrens game is just trying to be insulting and condescending to those that do play it.
Also the game has been out for a number of years now so unless they have a greater than 50% turnover every year the majority are no longer new to MMO's either.
Venge Sunsoar
The average age is 26.. but for every million players in the 30's & 40's, there are equal players in the teens.. to hit that average... there are actually moar kids, than adults.. because there are people who are 50 playing too.. but not people who are 3.. (take a statistics class)
Secondly, nobody said that adults wouldn't, or can't enjoy a chilldren's game. These are not insults, as any Dad playing will tell you, that their kids know more about the game.
That has nothing to do with the remedial challenges the game offers. If you are insulted, then you'll understand how those of us who have been inadated and barraged with children's games throughout the MMO spectrum over the years, without an respect to veteran roldeplayers... etc.
And yes, playing MMO's for the last 4 years, is nothing to playing for the last 13..
No , you are wrong. There are more adults by far than kids in WoW. An average age of 26 while most are in their 20s and 30s. Even 18 is an adult and there would have to be a ton of 30 year olds just to bring that average age up to 26. Lets face it , there are 50 year olds, 60 year olds but what? 1 % of wow if that? Hell, we know there arent many "old" people playing. There would have to be a huge majority of people in their 30's just to bring the average up to a 26 from the kids and 20 year olds that play. Im too lazy to go find stats ... just using common sense. Im sure you could look em up though and prove your flawed logic wrong.
lol...
It is still a children's game bro.. even if you don't understand how statistcs work
I love it when people actualy say games are ment for adults only. I wonder how awesome you must look if you stood outside some gaming store telling kids to piss off cause games are ment for *mature 30 year olds like your self*
If by WoW clone, you mean the most polished and most popular game in the world, then yes, I do think it will.
Do I think gameplay will be like WoW? Most likely not. They already stated it would not be WoW2, and I can't see them even using the same engine for the next game. We'll see though.
The average age is 26.. but for every million players in the 30's & 40's, there are equal players in the teens.. to hit that average... there are actually moar kids, than adults.. because there are people who are 50 playing too.. but not people who are 3.. (take a statistics class)
Secondly, nobody said that adults wouldn't, or can't enjoy a chilldren's game. These are not insults, as any Dad playing will tell you, that their kids know more about the game.
That has nothing to do with the remedial challenges the game offers. If you are insulted, then you'll understand how those of us who have been inadated and barraged with children's games throughout the MMO spectrum over the years, without an respect to veteran roldeplayers... etc.
And yes, playing MMO's for the last 4 years, is nothing to playing for the last 13..
I do understand how stats work, having taken several classes in them and have had to work with many publishing researchers. Lets take your number of 26. As you say for every million players in the 30's and 40's there are people in the teens, but an average doesn't tell us how much.
To get an average of 26 for every player who is 40 you need a player who is 12, not two 12 year olds. And yes there probably is some people who are 50 but two 12 year olds can account for that conversely you can have a whole lot of 25 year old to counter that 1 50 year old. As long as they are over 18 (the age of majority for most developed countries) they are not children.
Either way unless the people are very old, you still cannot say that there are more kids that play it than adults, that would be the mode which we don't have.
All things being being equal all we can say are that the average age is 26 which is not a child.
2nd - adults can enjoy a childrens game. However a childrens game is defined as being designed for and played primarily by children. WoW was not designed for children, no matter what you actually say, as the evidence of scaling arena's and hard mode challenges exist that the average child does not have the capabilities to do, and the fact that the average age is not a child. So if the game wasn't designed primarily for children and the average age is not a child - we can say the game is not a childs game. Making a game that children can play and making a game primarily targeted towards children are two different things.
Your right playing MMO's for 4 years is not the same as playing for 13- however playing for 13 is not the amount of time required to no longer be considered new. I don't think there is an actual timeline but I think we can all appreciate that someone who has been here for 4 years is not new to the genre. To a 90 year old, a 70 year old is a young un, but they aren't. Similarly to a 13 year MMO met a 4 year vet is a young un, but they are not new.
And I'm not insulted. However by the use of your language and the few facts we can present, you are attempting to insult others. A game not primarily designed for children, or played by a majority of children is not a childrens game. That you insist on calling it so shows you are being condescending.
Venge Sunsoar
edit: Actually I'm sure we can take any discussion of who the primary target was out as there are probably a few exampls of games designed for adults that primarily children play and so are considered childrens games. Conversely there are probably a few games out there that were designed for children but are played by a majority of adults.
I can't think of either example but I'm sure they are there.
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
I guess my question is, Can Blizzard even begin to top itself witha new MMO? The success WoW has had over the years, I think would pose a daunting challenge for them to come up with something better.
Well if you have not noticed alot of people who play WoW will play any game they release without even knowing what kind of game it is so if they do make another MMORPG people will hop on over and play it just cause its blizzard. People still think starcraft 2 is some kind of mmorpg and buy it thinking it is then ask dumbass retard questions like if they can raid on it or some dumb shit. People are fucking stupid and thats a fact.
All these MMO's have been trying for years to devise a game that would beat WoW. Watch Blizzard beat their own game. Such irony it would be.
I don't know how often I have heard a developer say they were specifically out to beat wow. Of course, everyone wants to but I think most devs make games that they feel in some ways are better and offer something other folks don't. Then of course there are the hundred billion ones from china, korea, etc that mimic wow 100% but are f2p.
Blizzard beating their own game.... possibly. One thing folks should know by now is that Blizzard is not exactly on the forefront of bleeding edge design. Look at SC2, its a crap game compared to THQ's 40k rts games yet Blizzard has the fanbois that will take a piece of doodoo and treat it like gold if it has the blizzard stamp on it. Expect them to keep following the diablo loot model that has worked well for them. I still strongly believe, even though they say its a new IP, that it will be a starcraft mmo. It will differ from wow in that it will have planets instead of zones, but the planets will be a little bit larger than the larger zones in wow and from then on it will be just like wow but with blasters and rocket launchers.
All these MMO's have been trying for years to devise a game that would beat WoW. Watch Blizzard beat their own game. Such irony it would be.
I don't know how often I have heard a developer say they were specifically out to beat wow. Of course, everyone wants to but I think most devs make games that they feel in some ways are better and offer something other folks don't. Then of course there are the hundred billion ones from china, korea, etc that mimic wow 100% but are f2p.
Blizzard beating their own game.... possibly. One thing folks should know by now is that Blizzard is not exactly on the forefront of bleeding edge design. Look at SC2, its a crap game compared to THQ's 40k rts games yet Blizzard has the fanbois that will take a piece of doodoo and treat it like gold if it has the blizzard stamp on it. Expect them to keep following the diablo loot model that has worked well for them. I still strongly believe, even though they say its a new IP, that it will be a starcraft mmo. It will differ from wow in that it will have planets instead of zones, but the planets will be a little bit larger than the larger zones in wow and from then on it will be just like wow but with blasters and rocket launchers.
Yup, I've been thinking the same thing for awhile now. Blizzard keeps saying that their next mmo is going to be based on a new IP, but seriously imagine for a second how huge it would be if they surprisingly announced a Starcraft mmo.
Frankly I'd be surprised (considering their past track record) if Blizzard didn't pursue the quest to continue yet another one of their rather unoriginal established IPs.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Despite what some think I believe mmo players love to raid and quest until their hearts are content. I think Blizzard knows this and they will make a ip simiilar to WoW mechanics but with better story and graphics. That is just my opinion.
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What won't happen..?
That blizzard next game won't be ultra casual, making even more money off children..? Leaving other children seeking wow clones to collapse... thus freeing up the market space for adult games that have challenge to them..? (ie: EQ next)
You don't need a millions subs, to have a succesful MMO.. many of the veteran gamers really don't care where these kids go... just get them out of all these messege boards, trying to carebear up the whole MMO market. It's a pandemic!
I hope WoW2 has 25 million subscribers...
That would mean 25 million less kids in other games.
"No they are not charity. That is where the whales come in. (I play for free. Whales pays.) Devs get a business. That is how it works."
-Nariusseldon
Everybody knows an MMO can't live forever, and you sure as heck can't keep raising the level cap time after time, the stats are getting ridiculous and the steps a noobs have to go through are getting ridiculous aswell, you have to grind yourself through zone after zone after zone of emptyness, empty PVE, dumbed down quests which u have to solo (used to be group quests), untill you hit that zone which actually holds some players.
Might be a better idea to secretly build a new ship and act like its a sailing boat (F2P) while it's actually a racing boat (P2P) which can hold and reward all your existing passangers (players), so you can abandon that sinking ship you've build in 2005. Or do you think they'll create something new with no link to wow while they let it die slowly ?
I have no idea what it will be. I imagine it will be a lot different than WOW because they wont want to pull subs from it....
Blizzard is not stupid, so they're not gonna create another MMO that competes with WOW.
IMO their next MMO will be a FPS-MMORPG. Which is perfect, because there are no true shooter MMO's out. At least none that are really worth playing.
Wrong, Hydra was Diablo 3 man. Do some research.
I know it's trendy to insult WOW and its players, but you're just talking out your ass. WOW has plenty of old and new players alike. Most of the people I play WOW with have been around since the game launched.
I dont think Blizzard is stupid, they know peoples are getting bored with the genre, they'll obviously do something different.
I know it's trendy to insult WOW and its players, but you're just talking out your ass. WOW has plenty of old and new players alike. Most of the people I play WOW with have been around since the game launched.
The word "new" there meant new to MMOs, meaning thta WoW was likely one of their first MMOs, if not the first. Many people have been playing WoW since early in the game's life, but many of them were not people playing MMOs much if at all before that.
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it." Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
WTF? No subscription fee?
My friend, you really need to educate yourself on the facts. It doesn't matter if some 30, or 40 year olds play World of Warcraft, the majority are children.
I beta tested WoW... realized that is wasn't meant for someone who already plays such games. But 2 years later @ a family reuinion 4 of my neices all had characterchures of their WoW characters on their shirts..
They are now teenagers and 1 driving now. (still children)
Last year, at a 4th of July party at the park, there was an entire girls AYSO soccer teams, who are ALSO a guild within Warcraft...
Nobody is insulting anyone when they cal World of Warcraft a children's game... it is.
"No they are not charity. That is where the whales come in. (I play for free. Whales pays.) Devs get a business. That is how it works."
-Nariusseldon
project hydra is the codename for diablo 3, if you have seen the tour thru blizzards office ^^
I love how everyone says Blizzard rips off other games ideas as if it were a bad thing. Haha. I think of Bliz as the Dupont of the gaming community. They take what other games do and make them better.
I'm sure Blizz will make the game similar and different. It will be a derivitive in that end-game will most likely be stressed and raids will probably be a major factor. Leveling won't be terrible and most likely they will make a bundle. This is a business after all, catering to your fan base is what a company is supposed to do. As they say the customer is always right, or as my grandpa says someone will always be nice to you when they are taking your money. So as long as Blizz takes our money they will be nice to us and let us play what we want.
@Phelcher
Actually your facts are off. There have been several studies showing the average age of warcraft players are around 30. They have been posted on this site, you can find them if you wish to.
And since the majority of people playing are not children, anyone who says it is a childrens game is just trying to be insulting and condescending to those that do play it.
Also the game has been out for a number of years now so unless they have a greater than 50% turnover every year the majority are no longer new to MMO's either.
Venge Sunsoar
The average age is 26.. but for every million players in the 30's & 40's, there are equal players in the teens.. to hit that average... there are actually moar kids, than adults.. because there are people who are 50 playing too.. but not people who are 3.. (take a statistics class)
Secondly, nobody said that adults wouldn't, or can't enjoy a chilldren's game. These are not insults, as any Dad playing will tell you, that their kids know more about the game.
That has nothing to do with the remedial challenges the game offers. If you are insulted, then you'll understand how those of us who have been inadated and barraged with children's games throughout the MMO spectrum over the years, without an respect to veteran roldeplayers... etc.
And yes, playing MMO's for the last 4 years, is nothing to playing for the last 13..
"No they are not charity. That is where the whales come in. (I play for free. Whales pays.) Devs get a business. That is how it works."
-Nariusseldon
No , you are wrong. There are more adults by far than kids in WoW. An average age of 26 while most are in their 20s and 30s. Even 18 is an adult and there would have to be a ton of 30 year olds just to bring that average age up to 26. Lets face it , there are 50 year olds, 60 year olds but what? 1 % of wow if that? Hell, we know there arent many "old" people playing. There would have to be a huge majority of people in their 30's just to bring the average up to a 26 from the kids and 20 year olds that play. Im too lazy to go find stats ... just using common sense. Im sure you could look em up though and prove your flawed logic wrong.
lol...
It is still a children's game bro.. even if you don't understand how statistcs work
"No they are not charity. That is where the whales come in. (I play for free. Whales pays.) Devs get a business. That is how it works."
-Nariusseldon
I love it when people actualy say games are ment for adults only. I wonder how awesome you must look if you stood outside some gaming store telling kids to piss off cause games are ment for *mature 30 year olds like your self*
If by WoW clone, you mean the most polished and most popular game in the world, then yes, I do think it will.
Do I think gameplay will be like WoW? Most likely not. They already stated it would not be WoW2, and I can't see them even using the same engine for the next game. We'll see though.
Do you know for certain?
Do you know for certain?
No they didn't... they used Everquest's business model and character class structure...
But World of Warcraft 's mechanics were Blizzard's, thus extremely dumbed down and incomplete, for the purpose of easy game play.
WoW clone indicates heavily instanced Asian Grinders & $50k server.. awsome animation and giving you overwhelming things all the time = WOW clone.
"No they are not charity. That is where the whales come in. (I play for free. Whales pays.) Devs get a business. That is how it works."
-Nariusseldon
I do understand how stats work, having taken several classes in them and have had to work with many publishing researchers. Lets take your number of 26. As you say for every million players in the 30's and 40's there are people in the teens, but an average doesn't tell us how much.
To get an average of 26 for every player who is 40 you need a player who is 12, not two 12 year olds. And yes there probably is some people who are 50 but two 12 year olds can account for that conversely you can have a whole lot of 25 year old to counter that 1 50 year old. As long as they are over 18 (the age of majority for most developed countries) they are not children.
Either way unless the people are very old, you still cannot say that there are more kids that play it than adults, that would be the mode which we don't have.
All things being being equal all we can say are that the average age is 26 which is not a child.
2nd - adults can enjoy a childrens game. However a childrens game is defined as being designed for and played primarily by children. WoW was not designed for children, no matter what you actually say, as the evidence of scaling arena's and hard mode challenges exist that the average child does not have the capabilities to do, and the fact that the average age is not a child. So if the game wasn't designed primarily for children and the average age is not a child - we can say the game is not a childs game. Making a game that children can play and making a game primarily targeted towards children are two different things.
Your right playing MMO's for 4 years is not the same as playing for 13- however playing for 13 is not the amount of time required to no longer be considered new. I don't think there is an actual timeline but I think we can all appreciate that someone who has been here for 4 years is not new to the genre. To a 90 year old, a 70 year old is a young un, but they aren't. Similarly to a 13 year MMO met a 4 year vet is a young un, but they are not new.
And I'm not insulted. However by the use of your language and the few facts we can present, you are attempting to insult others. A game not primarily designed for children, or played by a majority of children is not a childrens game. That you insist on calling it so shows you are being condescending.
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edit: Actually I'm sure we can take any discussion of who the primary target was out as there are probably a few exampls of games designed for adults that primarily children play and so are considered childrens games. Conversely there are probably a few games out there that were designed for children but are played by a majority of adults.
I can't think of either example but I'm sure they are there.
I guess my question is, Can Blizzard even begin to top itself witha new MMO? The success WoW has had over the years, I think would pose a daunting challenge for them to come up with something better.
Well if you have not noticed alot of people who play WoW will play any game they release without even knowing what kind of game it is so if they do make another MMORPG people will hop on over and play it just cause its blizzard. People still think starcraft 2 is some kind of mmorpg and buy it thinking it is then ask dumbass retard questions like if they can raid on it or some dumb shit. People are fucking stupid and thats a fact.
All these MMO's have been trying for years to devise a game that would beat WoW. Watch Blizzard beat their own game. Such irony it would be.
I don't know how often I have heard a developer say they were specifically out to beat wow. Of course, everyone wants to but I think most devs make games that they feel in some ways are better and offer something other folks don't. Then of course there are the hundred billion ones from china, korea, etc that mimic wow 100% but are f2p.
Blizzard beating their own game.... possibly. One thing folks should know by now is that Blizzard is not exactly on the forefront of bleeding edge design. Look at SC2, its a crap game compared to THQ's 40k rts games yet Blizzard has the fanbois that will take a piece of doodoo and treat it like gold if it has the blizzard stamp on it. Expect them to keep following the diablo loot model that has worked well for them. I still strongly believe, even though they say its a new IP, that it will be a starcraft mmo. It will differ from wow in that it will have planets instead of zones, but the planets will be a little bit larger than the larger zones in wow and from then on it will be just like wow but with blasters and rocket launchers.
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Yup, I've been thinking the same thing for awhile now. Blizzard keeps saying that their next mmo is going to be based on a new IP, but seriously imagine for a second how huge it would be if they surprisingly announced a Starcraft mmo.
Frankly I'd be surprised (considering their past track record) if Blizzard didn't pursue the quest to continue yet another one of their rather unoriginal established IPs.
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Despite what some think I believe mmo players love to raid and quest until their hearts are content. I think Blizzard knows this and they will make a ip simiilar to WoW mechanics but with better story and graphics. That is just my opinion.