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Rwmiller wins the thread!
On topic- I'm more looking forward to GW2 over Rift, but Rift does seem to have one thing going for it, the cross-class spec options. GW2 will be more about building and outfitting your character with whatever critical abilities (you only get 10 at any given time) you might want depending on playstyle. It's a much more thought provoking way to play a character in an MMO.
Rift on the other hand, has broader "build" options than GW2 (from what I can tell at this point, which can always change). Many MMOs give you the option of speccing into different mastery trees, oftentimes buffing the core abilities related to those trees, but I haven't seen one MMO that has the normal mastery trees that also unlocks other abilities in a different sub-section. This could prove to either allow a huge amount of freedom with builds, or create INSANE imbalances in both PvE and PvP in the game. Time will tell.
Rift > GW2 > TOR > FF14...
And the only reason is that FF14 is the first one to be launched next month and people's hype levels are back to reality after seen the Beta LOL...
All non published games are fantastic until D day approaches
Expect them all to fail. So much better to be surprised.
It already made me save a lot of money.
GW1 was not even a full fledged MMO lacking AH ,a background world and a terrible user interface even preventing some very basic things as jumping over a rock/hedge.
Why would ArenNet have seen the lights now ... without their 5 most important ex developpers?
95% chance they will all fail of course according to the 6 year old stats ...
Sorry, I find it hard to believe any of those titles will "fail". Tell me, what (in your terms) makes an MMO a failure? This I gotta read.
The troll is strong in this thread.
First, I'm in no way trying to argue with you or taking a side in this one > other fight as I really don't care.
That stated, what I highlighted above, you really need to get off of this site and take a good long read around the entire MMO game reporting industry.Almost every site, my man, that has had hands on with Rift has stated exactly just that fact: For an alpha build it is highly polished and looks like it's launch ready.
That's alot of staff writers from alot of different sites agreeing on the same thing.
Now, whether you like the individual things Trion is doing with the game is a different story. But as far as it's polish: the verdict is already in. I follow the game and read every interview done about it across all the gaming sites linked in the official forums (which anytime an interview/preview goes up it is linked there).
I don't know if you can say the same for GW2 and if you are following that game I hope for your sake you can. I know for Rift it is very easy for me to grab few different reviews and highlight such comments about the game.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Chavez y Chavez
"If you don't know anything about something, don't talk about it." - Words to live by
You know nothing of GW2 and here you are spilling out misconceptions just so you can raise Rift above GW2.
There's a lot of stuff going on with GW2 and if you weren't stuck in your fanboy hateocracy you would have checked out things about the game to see why people are interested in it. GW2 is a totally different game from GW1, you should read about it before talking shit about the game.
This is not a game.
The troll is exponentially stronger over in the RIFT forum of this site.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Chavez y Chavez
Beat that rift...with no fees:
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Oh and:
http://www.massively.com/2010/08/20/guild-wars-2-wins-best-online-game-at-gamescom/
I think I actually spent way more time reading and theorycrafting about MMOs than playing them
Now that is a well reasoned argument. Though the fact that I wasn't commenting negatively on Rift so much as the poster's assumption that being in development either had no value or was only because there were problems.
As to being on other sites I would agree that MMORPG does tend to be a bit more argumentative than Massive, TenTon or the others which used to be fun when the arguments were based on something other than feelings and insults.
I'm looking forward to Rift and I think that right now at this stage and with the current information out that it looks have a lot of potential. But, having said that I think GW2 has many more innovative ideas behind it. I could think of worse things to have happen other than two good games being released on to the market.
The fact that I know the lead designer along with 3 other lead developpers left to join Jeff Strain to its Zombie game, shows I follow the game more than you think.
It is rather simple: GW2 is in the stages of pre Beta (showing off 10 minute playing sessions at specially prepared hardware on local shows) and all the rest is media hype from the designers. Promissing everything to everyone.
That doesn't say anything of course. Their only advantage is that they are further away from publishment than FF14 (already becoming a dead duck in Beta) and SW2 (designers having to counter now the criticisms of NOT living up to all the promisses). Odd but we have already a star wars game ... I don't see the million players though.
It's an ever returning cycle of crashing MMO's.
I guess after GW2, the reality will return to Rift, Warhammer 40 K etc ...
Nothing new to see here. Reread the 2006 posts on mmorpg.com: a good laugh really.
I suspect that the competitive nature of these games where while in the game you try to win is some how extending out to actually choosing a game and by comparison wanting the game to beat other games when the reality is that the games are really only in competition with each other in a very basic monetary way.
Let us assume that Rift delivers on all its promises and potential and is simply the best thing since sliced crack. Does that mean that WoW was a failure or that it was or is a poor game to choose and to play? No, not at all.
So to return to the original idea. Is Rift greater than Guild Wars 2? Probably in some areas it is more successful or will be once both games are released and others it is likely to not fair as well but that is the nature of life as you can't make anything perfect and still be able to release it in a reasonable amount of time for a reasonable cost.
"GW1 was not even a full fledged MMO lacking AH ,a background world and a terrible user interface even preventing some very basic things as jumping over a rock/hedge.
Why would ArenNet have seen the lights now ... "
That's what I was replying to, from that statement you really haven't been following the game. All you have done is skim over a few articles and posts and automatically you think you know about the game.
I can't speak for where the game is in the development stage but I can tell you that it looks very good where it is right now.
This is not a game.
Very true. Having two games that were highly polished and that offered two different takes on how to game in MMOs is something this genre needs. Fun games where we can just sit back and enjoy the content.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Chavez y Chavez
This poster is wrong and hasn't done their research and here's why.... It has already been proven at Gamescom without a doubt there is jumping, dodging and even swimming underwater among other features already implemented in the game. The 10 minutes sessions is simply false. IT was much more than that. Headover to the forums in GW2 and watch the videos. There's alot of them.
"Why would have they have seen the light now? "They are making GW2 for this very reason. To implement the features of a true MMO. Arenanet declared GW1 a CORPG rather than a full fledged MMO. Guild Wars 2 is an open persistent world. And GW1 is heavy on instancing Those are facts that has been acknowledged by Arenanet. No deception or false claims has been made by Arenanet.
Playing now: Cities: Skyline / Ori and the Blind Forest / Banished
I prefer Rift = GW2.
In other words I hope they both accomplish their goals and are entertaining games.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
The people who have made the Guild Wars 2 Demo at Gamescom a huge success! A Farewell gathering.
Playing now: Cities: Skyline / Ori and the Blind Forest / Banished
Arent you the one always whining in the TOR forums? I would say Pot meet Kettle.
As far as Rift, I believe that is the one being done by Scott Hartsman. His turnaround of EQ2 was amazing. Although TOR will probably be the last MMO I ever play( I prefer 360 these days), if I was looking to other games Rift would be one of the first I would check out.
Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.
Book me a slot in that time machine too will you?
Personally I have been following GW2 news closely, but haven't even heard of RIFT until lately. So I checked out a few sites and videos and it does look interesting, although perhaps not as innovative as GW2 (seems RIFT will rely on gear a lot).
But one thing bothers me, I watched a RIFT trailer and there were like 3 bald devs in it. Is it a company policy to shave your head or something?
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Yeah i think also that rift will be better than guildwars.
But guildwars will also be succesfull because it's free and everyone is going to buy it as a second game
I ll go for rift as my first touch and if i get dissapointed i will go for guildwars 2.
For me 1-2 months is enough to understand if the game is worth playing it and if it has future success.
The fact is that i dont pay for a game 15 per month if i dont like it 90-100%.
On the other side Gw2 is free and if u like it 70%-90% it's ok because u dont pay and u dont care
Saw that one Rift video where a fire-oriented Rift spawned around a character killing mobs. It didn't look bad, but it didn't look spectacular. The gameplay was particularly uninspiring, but it was only one video and there was probably some slob at the controls.
I am far more interested in GW2, given the video releases to date, but can appreciate that other people are looking forward to Rift.
It's okay to like different things.
Well, all i am seeing here is GW2 fanboys, all of the 12 year olds who cant play Rift cause of the subscription fee. Have fun with GW2, and people saying that GW2s graphics are superior, you are wrong... have you even seen rift? Its insane. Those gameplay vids dont do it justice, you need a software to record stuff, not a bad camera filming a screen.
I'll get back to y'all later after Rift is released.
Way to necro, bro.
He who keeps his cool best wins.
as of now, its RIft for me
I followed Rift since it was Heroes of Telara, but ever since they resorted to shoveling out beta keys that aren't really beta keys I've had a looming feeling that the keys are nothing more than the small pieces litter flying out of the litter box in an attempt to bury a turd. It's nothing but a hype tactic and I've become wary of any game that hypes itself in a fashion such as this. They're busy trying to get people to hype the game rather than test and it's proven to be a bad tactic in game after game.