Wouldn't be the first to be overrated and won't be the last to be overrated.
Then again...I think GW2 and WoW are overrated. It's all a matter of opinion in the end. The masses love McDonalds and Subway...doesn't mean they are good.
I didn't care for how the space combat looked but everything else looked fine to me. It isn't overrated, its Star Wars.
Wouldn't that be precisiely why it would be overated... everything about star wars is overated.
Anyway this game really isn't overated you should look at the swtor forums, this game has 4 maybe 5 times as many whiners in proportion to it's community compared to gw2. There's a heck of a lot of fans that aren't happy about Bioware's direction. There's just a general feeling of displeasement over there.
Well that is clearly a matter of opinion wether Star Wars is overrated or not. Some people prefer Star Trek others prefer Star Wars. It is all about a matter of taste. I think Bioware is doing an excellent job besides the space combat which I did not care for but that will not stop me from playing TOR at launch.
I didn't care for how the space combat looked but everything else looked fine to me. It isn't overrated, its Star Wars.
Wouldn't that be precisiely why it would be overated... everything about star wars is overated.
Anyway this game really isn't overated you should look at the swtor forums, this game has 4 maybe 5 times as many whiners in proportion to it's community compared to gw2. There's a heck of a lot of fans that aren't happy about Bioware's direction. There's just a general feeling of displeasement over there.
SWTOR has 5-6 times more people going to its website.
I didn't care for how the space combat looked but everything else looked fine to me. It isn't overrated, its Star Wars.
Wouldn't that be precisiely why it would be overated... everything about star wars is overated.
Anyway this game really isn't overated you should look at the swtor forums, this game has 4 maybe 5 times as many whiners in proportion to it's community compared to gw2. There's a heck of a lot of fans that aren't happy about Bioware's direction. There's just a general feeling of displeasement over there.
SWTOR has 5-6 times more people going to its website.
I didn't care for how the space combat looked but everything else looked fine to me. It isn't overrated, its Star Wars.
Wouldn't that be precisiely why it would be overated... everything about star wars is overated.
Anyway this game really isn't overated you should look at the swtor forums, this game has 4 maybe 5 times as many whiners in proportion to it's community compared to gw2. There's a heck of a lot of fans that aren't happy about Bioware's direction. There's just a general feeling of displeasement over there.
SWTOR has 5-6 times more people going to its website.
/Face-plam that's why I said in proportion. Read what I say.
You can't say that. If as there were more people following GW2 how do you know more people would not be upset?
More People=A more vocal minority
Except the feedback from people that played the demo was overwhelmingly positive and people on many sites have very positive things to say about gw2. Either way if more popel followed gw2 there would be less complaining. I mean most of the complainers of swtor have become gw2 fans......
I didn't care for how the space combat looked but everything else looked fine to me. It isn't overrated, its Star Wars.
Wouldn't that be precisiely why it would be overated... everything about star wars is overated.
Anyway this game really isn't overated you should look at the swtor forums, this game has 4 maybe 5 times as many whiners in proportion to it's community compared to gw2. There's a heck of a lot of fans that aren't happy about Bioware's direction. There's just a general feeling of displeasement over there.
SWTOR has 5-6 times more people going to its website.
/Face-plam that's why I said in proportion. Read what I say.
You can't say that. If as there were more people following GW2 how do you know more people would not be upset?
More People=A more vocal minority
Except the feedback from people that played the demo was overwhelmingly positive and people on many sites have very positive things to say about gw2. Either way if more popel followed gw2 there would be less complaining. I mean most of the complainers of swtor have become gw2 fans......
Most feedback from Gameplay at PAX for SWTOR have been positive.... I dont see your point?
If that last point is true than there must not be to many complainers.
I didn't care for how the space combat looked but everything else looked fine to me. It isn't overrated, its Star Wars.
Wouldn't that be precisiely why it would be overated... everything about star wars is overated.
Anyway this game really isn't overated you should look at the swtor forums, this game has 4 maybe 5 times as many whiners in proportion to it's community compared to gw2. There's a heck of a lot of fans that aren't happy about Bioware's direction. There's just a general feeling of displeasement over there.
SWTOR has 5-6 times more people going to its website.
/Face-plam that's why I said in proportion. Read what I say.
You can't say that. If as there were more people following GW2 how do you know more people would not be upset?
More People=A more vocal minority
Except the feedback from people that played the demo was overwhelmingly positive and people on many sites have very positive things to say about gw2. Either way if more popel followed gw2 there would be less complaining. I mean most of the complainers of swtor have become gw2 fans......
Most feedback from Gameplay at PAX for SWTOR have been positive.... I dont see your point?
If that last point is true than there must not be to many complainers.
Actually it means that the game so far hasn't reached their expectations and so they jumped ship. Before gamescom not many people over there cared about gw2 and once gameplay came out people started getting even more annoyed at swtor.
Anyway on topic most games are at least slightly overated before release becuase that is the purpose of hype.
Seems like I'm the only one who isn't jumping up and down over this game. It looks decent, but definatly not as great as its made out to be. The classes, do not seem interesting at all, typical jedi/sith, troopers and bounty hunters. Now, everyone wants to be a jedi or sith right? There is the first problem, 90% of the population are going to be jedi or sith, meaning every other class will get neglected so badly. Another problem I have with the game is how over powered are jedi/sith going to be? To OP, and every class will definatly not be played resulting in a fail. Now if the jedi/sith are weakened to much to give other classes a chance, that won't have the Star Wars 'feel" to it at all. It needs a perfect balance but to also still feel like you're in the Star Wars universe. Seems extremely difficult to pull off, and I have strong doubts, that they will. Lastly, it just seems to me like it is a mirror of KOTOR, I understand they are different games and what not, but to me, the differences are'nt big enough to where I'd enjoy this game.
First off how can something be overrated when it hasn't even been rated in the first place?! The classes seem uninteresting to you because we've seen them all before in some shape or form. It's happens when you're anchored to a well-known IP. No matter how many liberties you can take from creating your own timeline. And why are you so concerned with how many sith and jedi other players will play? I'm playing a trooper first, because that's what appeals to me. You cannot lock everyone out of jedi/sith because you're afraid to go against them or irritated because you want to be the only jedi/sith running around.
Every mmo experiences this in one form or another. Players love to pick what they think are OP classes. Think about it the next time you roll a mage, rogue or hunter (most abused classes in MMO history) As long as they take a rock-paper-scissors way of balancing classes I'm good (something WoW screwed up). Nothing needs a perfect balance. Jedi/sith were never all powerful. That's like saying all mixed martial artists are overpowered or all boxers are overpowered. I mean there are some damn good fighters in those respective sports, but thinking they are all top notch fighters........that's a stretch.
Players really need to get this notion out of their heads that jedi and sith are the end-all-be-all for the SW IP just because the films focused on a few main characters are the Michael Jordans of jedi/sith. Tuned down your geek meter just a few notches please......
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
I didn't care for how the space combat looked but everything else looked fine to me. It isn't overrated, its Star Wars.
Wouldn't that be precisiely why it would be overated... everything about star wars is overated.
Anyway this game really isn't overated you should look at the swtor forums, this game has 4 maybe 5 times as many whiners in proportion to it's community compared to gw2. There's a heck of a lot of fans that aren't happy about Bioware's direction. There's just a general feeling of displeasement over there.
SWTOR has 5-6 times more people going to its website.
/Face-plam that's why I said in proportion. Read what I say.
You can't say that. If as there were more people following GW2 how do you know more people would not be upset?
More People=A more vocal minority
Except the feedback from people that played the demo was overwhelmingly positive and people on many sites have very positive things to say about gw2. Either way if more popel followed gw2 there would be less complaining. I mean most of the complainers of swtor have become gw2 fans......
Most feedback from Gameplay at PAX for SWTOR have been positive.... I dont see your point?
If that last point is true than there must not be to many complainers.
Actually it means that the game so far hasn't reached their expectations and so they jumped ship. Before gamescom not many people over there cared about gw2 and once gameplay came out people started getting even more annoyed at swtor.
Anyway on topic most games are at least slightly overated before release becuase that is the purpose of hype.
Who are these people getting annoyed with TOR since GW2 gameplay? The gameplay released for GW2 was good but nothing special.
It does not bother me in the least that it is over hyped. What bothers me are all the cry babies who will rip on this game after release because it was not the answer to their empty and secluded virtual life that they so imagined it would be. In space at this time you will not be able to turn around...how stupid. Do I care? Nope. I have Eve Online.
This thread is about SWTOR, not GW2. Please stay on topic.
In a thread about whether an upcoming game is over-rated or not, I think we should be allowed to compare one high-profile forthcoming game with another.
I keep trying to find some video of in game action that doesn't put me to sleep, but it has eluded me so far. I don't know if it's overrated because it generates as much hate as it does love. For me it just generates apathy.
It does not bother me in the least that it is over hyped. What bothers me are all the cry babies who will rip on this game after release because it was not the answer to their empty and secluded virtual life that they so imagined it would be. In space at this time you will not be able to turn around...how stupid. Do I care? Nope. I have Eve Online.
SWTOR made the same mistake ST:O did... give short shrift to one of two major aspects of the intellectual property. Will it crash and burn? Maybe.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
Seems like I'm the only one who isn't jumping up and down over this game. It looks decent, but definatly not as great as its made out to be. The classes, do not seem interesting at all, typical jedi/sith, troopers and bounty hunters. Now, everyone wants to be a jedi or sith right? There is the first problem, 90% of the population are going to be jedi or sith, meaning every other class will get neglected so badly. Another problem I have with the game is how over powered are jedi/sith going to be? To OP, and every class will definatly not be played resulting in a fail. Now if the jedi/sith are weakened to much to give other classes a chance, that won't have the Star Wars 'feel" to it at all. It needs a perfect balance but to also still feel like you're in the Star Wars universe. Seems extremely difficult to pull off, and I have strong doubts, that they will. Lastly, it just seems to me like it is a mirror of KOTOR, I understand they are different games and what not, but to me, the differences are'nt big enough to where I'd enjoy this game.
Couldnt really have said it better myself.
I've been saying for a while now, mainly since the details started coming out, that this really is an overglorified version of the same tripe they've been foisting on us since KOTOR.
You also hit the jedi problem on the nailhead. The original SWG game got around that problem by making it stupidly difficult and time consuming to become a jedi. But, that was back in the day when developers actually had some stones to tell the playerbase to shut the F up and not bow to their every whim.
The other thing that will kill this game is the fact that its so solo centric. MMO's thrive on a community, this game is going to have a very poor one, guaranteed.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
Seems like I'm the only one who isn't jumping up and down over this game. It looks decent, but definatly not as great as its made out to be. The classes, do not seem interesting at all, typical jedi/sith, troopers and bounty hunters. Now, everyone wants to be a jedi or sith right? There is the first problem, 90% of the population are going to be jedi or sith, meaning every other class will get neglected so badly. Another problem I have with the game is how over powered are jedi/sith going to be? To OP, and every class will definatly not be played resulting in a fail. Now if the jedi/sith are weakened to much to give other classes a chance, that won't have the Star Wars 'feel" to it at all. It needs a perfect balance but to also still feel like you're in the Star Wars universe. Seems extremely difficult to pull off, and I have strong doubts, that they will. Lastly, it just seems to me like it is a mirror of KOTOR, I understand they are different games and what not, but to me, the differences are'nt big enough to where I'd enjoy this game.
Couldnt really have said it better myself.
I've been saying for a while now, mainly since the details started coming out, that this really is an overglorified version of the same tripe they've been foisting on us since KOTOR.
You also hit the jedi problem on the nailhead. The original SWG game got around that problem by making it stupidly difficult and time consuming to become a jedi. But, that was back in the day when developers actually had some stones to tell the playerbase to shut the F up and not bow to their every whim.
The other thing that will kill this game is the fact that its so solo centric. MMO's thrive on a community, this game is going to have a very poor one, guaranteed.
Where is your proof to guarantee this game will have a poor community?
You also hit the jedi problem on the nailhead. The original SWG game got around that problem by making it stupidly difficult and time consuming to become a jedi. But, that was back in the day when developers actually had some stones to tell the playerbase to shut the F up and not bow to their every whim.
As I remember it SOE didn't even have a Jedi for a long time but told people they could become one anyways, but refused to say how.
That is better how? It is true that devs shouldn't give in to all that everyone tells them but lying to their players? SWG had the worst bunch of developers in the world, releasing an expansion and then revamp the game next week rendering it useless.
No devs in the history of MMOs have screwed it's players over than the devs from SWG and many old player still almost starts to cry when someone mentions the letters NGE to them. They are not good examples.
If TOR will be a good game or not is still unknown but the number of Jedis are far from a real concern, if you want something to worry about should you focus on cut scenes and instances, something that is fun in small doses and seems to be overdone here.
Seems like I'm the only one who isn't jumping up and down over this game. It looks decent, but definatly not as great as its made out to be. The classes, do not seem interesting at all, typical jedi/sith, troopers and bounty hunters. Now, everyone wants to be a jedi or sith right? There is the first problem, 90% of the population are going to be jedi or sith, meaning every other class will get neglected so badly. Another problem I have with the game is how over powered are jedi/sith going to be? To OP, and every class will definatly not be played resulting in a fail. Now if the jedi/sith are weakened to much to give other classes a chance, that won't have the Star Wars 'feel" to it at all. It needs a perfect balance but to also still feel like you're in the Star Wars universe. Seems extremely difficult to pull off, and I have strong doubts, that they will. Lastly, it just seems to me like it is a mirror of KOTOR, I understand they are different games and what not, but to me, the differences are'nt big enough to where I'd enjoy this game.
Couldnt really have said it better myself.
I've been saying for a while now, mainly since the details started coming out, that this really is an overglorified version of the same tripe they've been foisting on us since KOTOR.
You also hit the jedi problem on the nailhead. The original SWG game got around that problem by making it stupidly difficult and time consuming to become a jedi. But, that was back in the day when developers actually had some stones to tell the playerbase to shut the F up and not bow to their every whim.
The other thing that will kill this game is the fact that its so solo centric. MMO's thrive on a community, this game is going to have a very poor one, guaranteed.
I've been saying for a while now, mainly since the details started coming out, that this really is an overglorified version of the same tripe they've been foisting on us since KOTOR.
You also hit the jedi problem on the nailhead. The original SWG game got around that problem by making it stupidly difficult and time consuming to become a jedi. But, that was back in the day when developers actually had some stones to tell the playerbase to shut the F up and not bow to their every whim.
The other thing that will kill this game is the fact that its so solo centric. MMO's thrive on a community, this game is going to have a very poor one, guaranteed.
Where is your proof to guarantee this game will have a poor community?
Bioware is now 95% a console only company making single player games. It is well known that the console community is younger and more self centered than the PC gaming community, and thats just single player games. MMO's prior to WOW were played primarily by people over the age of 21. WOW already has a borderline poor community, and this game is even more catered to the single player console "gimme gimme gimme" type. So there's your proof.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
I've been saying for a while now, mainly since the details started coming out, that this really is an overglorified version of the same tripe they've been foisting on us since KOTOR.
You also hit the jedi problem on the nailhead. The original SWG game got around that problem by making it stupidly difficult and time consuming to become a jedi. But, that was back in the day when developers actually had some stones to tell the playerbase to shut the F up and not bow to their every whim.
The other thing that will kill this game is the fact that its so solo centric. MMO's thrive on a community, this game is going to have a very poor one, guaranteed.
Where is your proof to guarantee this game will have a poor community?
Bioware is now 95% a console only company making single player games. It is well known that the console community is younger and more self centered than the PC gaming community, and thats just single player games. MMO's prior to WOW were played primarily by people over the age of 21. WOW already has a borderline poor community, and this game is even more catered to the single player console "gimme gimme gimme" type. So there's your proof.
No, Every Bioware game in recent time do have PC ports.
And you do know the average WoW player is 26 right?
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Wouldn't be the first to be overrated and won't be the last to be overrated.
Then again...I think GW2 and WoW are overrated. It's all a matter of opinion in the end. The masses love McDonalds and Subway...doesn't mean they are good.
Well that is clearly a matter of opinion wether Star Wars is overrated or not. Some people prefer Star Trek others prefer Star Wars. It is all about a matter of taste. I think Bioware is doing an excellent job besides the space combat which I did not care for but that will not stop me from playing TOR at launch.
/Face-plam that's why I said in proportion. Read what I say.
I think GW2 is shaping up to be an interesting and fun game, despite that SWTOR will get more subscribers simply because it is Star Wars.
You can't say that. If as there were more people following GW2 how do you know more people would not be upset?
More People=A more vocal minority
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
Except the feedback from people that played the demo was overwhelmingly positive and people on many sites have very positive things to say about gw2. Either way if more popel followed gw2 there would be less complaining. I mean most of the complainers of swtor have become gw2 fans......
Game can't be overrated because it hasn't been rated yet.
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Most feedback from Gameplay at PAX for SWTOR have been positive.... I dont see your point?
If that last point is true than there must not be to many complainers.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
Actually it means that the game so far hasn't reached their expectations and so they jumped ship. Before gamescom not many people over there cared about gw2 and once gameplay came out people started getting even more annoyed at swtor.
Anyway on topic most games are at least slightly overated before release becuase that is the purpose of hype.
I think hype has gone down a lot since they delayed the release one year (i don't mean this is the cause, just around that time).
Back then it seemed that this game was going to be the new king of MMOs.
Maybe hype will go up again. I don't know.
An honest review of SW:TOR 6/10 (Danny Wojcicki)
First off how can something be overrated when it hasn't even been rated in the first place?! The classes seem uninteresting to you because we've seen them all before in some shape or form. It's happens when you're anchored to a well-known IP. No matter how many liberties you can take from creating your own timeline. And why are you so concerned with how many sith and jedi other players will play? I'm playing a trooper first, because that's what appeals to me. You cannot lock everyone out of jedi/sith because you're afraid to go against them or irritated because you want to be the only jedi/sith running around.
Every mmo experiences this in one form or another. Players love to pick what they think are OP classes. Think about it the next time you roll a mage, rogue or hunter (most abused classes in MMO history) As long as they take a rock-paper-scissors way of balancing classes I'm good (something WoW screwed up). Nothing needs a perfect balance. Jedi/sith were never all powerful. That's like saying all mixed martial artists are overpowered or all boxers are overpowered. I mean there are some damn good fighters in those respective sports, but thinking they are all top notch fighters........that's a stretch.
Players really need to get this notion out of their heads that jedi and sith are the end-all-be-all for the SW IP just because the films focused on a few main characters are the Michael Jordans of jedi/sith. Tuned down your geek meter just a few notches please......
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
Who are these people getting annoyed with TOR since GW2 gameplay? The gameplay released for GW2 was good but nothing special.
It does not bother me in the least that it is over hyped. What bothers me are all the cry babies who will rip on this game after release because it was not the answer to their empty and secluded virtual life that they so imagined it would be. In space at this time you will not be able to turn around...how stupid. Do I care? Nope. I have Eve Online.
This thread is about SWTOR, not GW2. Please stay on topic.
In a thread about whether an upcoming game is over-rated or not, I think we should be allowed to compare one high-profile forthcoming game with another.
I keep trying to find some video of in game action that doesn't put me to sleep, but it has eluded me so far. I don't know if it's overrated because it generates as much hate as it does love. For me it just generates apathy.
SWTOR made the same mistake ST:O did... give short shrift to one of two major aspects of the intellectual property. Will it crash and burn? Maybe.
The game is gonna do just fine.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
How can something be overrated that aint out yet, lol.
Couldnt really have said it better myself.
I've been saying for a while now, mainly since the details started coming out, that this really is an overglorified version of the same tripe they've been foisting on us since KOTOR.
You also hit the jedi problem on the nailhead. The original SWG game got around that problem by making it stupidly difficult and time consuming to become a jedi. But, that was back in the day when developers actually had some stones to tell the playerbase to shut the F up and not bow to their every whim.
The other thing that will kill this game is the fact that its so solo centric. MMO's thrive on a community, this game is going to have a very poor one, guaranteed.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
Where is your proof to guarantee this game will have a poor community?
As I remember it SOE didn't even have a Jedi for a long time but told people they could become one anyways, but refused to say how.
That is better how? It is true that devs shouldn't give in to all that everyone tells them but lying to their players? SWG had the worst bunch of developers in the world, releasing an expansion and then revamp the game next week rendering it useless.
No devs in the history of MMOs have screwed it's players over than the devs from SWG and many old player still almost starts to cry when someone mentions the letters NGE to them. They are not good examples.
If TOR will be a good game or not is still unknown but the number of Jedis are far from a real concern, if you want something to worry about should you focus on cut scenes and instances, something that is fun in small doses and seems to be overdone here.
Tell that to WoW.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
Bioware is now 95% a console only company making single player games. It is well known that the console community is younger and more self centered than the PC gaming community, and thats just single player games. MMO's prior to WOW were played primarily by people over the age of 21. WOW already has a borderline poor community, and this game is even more catered to the single player console "gimme gimme gimme" type. So there's your proof.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
No, Every Bioware game in recent time do have PC ports.
And you do know the average WoW player is 26 right?
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.