I wonder if you can quit a game that isn't even there yet. Quite pathetic, you may say. And yes, you can have my stuff... wait. There isn't yet any there.
Be that as it is, I need this as a sort of spiritual hygene. I feel I need to wash myself of the dirt, ash from flaming and other less than healthy substances my mind has caught while dealing with TOR.
You know, I am a Star Wars fan as long as SW exists. And yes, while we all have our different approaches and we all love different things about Star Wars, I always felt, what made our fandom great was, everyone could be who or what he wanted. We didn't have any prejudices against anyone's personal approach to Star Wars. For me, SW, as in contrast to Star Trek, always mean a vast galaxy, tens of thousands of worlds and intelligent species, an endless plethora of really different settings. Not like Trek, where essentially all aliens are humans with odd ears or foreheads and all cultures are just a copy of some earth historical cultre. No, SW was dirty, diverse and dark.
SWTOR is none of it. It's bright coloured like WOW in space, it's narrow and streamlined at every possible way. Now for two years I tried to fight for a better SWTOR. And while sure not every single wish can be manifested, I am just DONE with the arrogance of the developers and the arrogance of the fans. There comes a time and point when you realize, this game is not for you and never will. It is a sort of a heartbreaking realization for me, since SW is my greatest fandom for 25 years, and I dived into the depths of everything SW for a long time. I feel sort of like the old Jolee Bindo, when he was asked why he left the Jedi Order, and Jolee answered: "It left me." And so it is with TOR. SWTOR developed into some beast, I don't feel at home anymore.
The list of things TOR does NOT have did grow considerably faster than the list of things we know we CAN do. It's like cutting a dream away, slice by slice, until there is nothing left by the shell of a SW game. I am too tired to go into all the details. The cuts and limitations have been discussed enough, and after 4-5 years of MMOs with broken promises, of ignoring their fans and endlessly making us wait for the "all made nice miracle patch", I am just tired and worn out. I trusted game companies time and again, always buying the games with the hope they will make it better later. They never did. They took the money and essentially ran off with it. In every single case of the last MMORPGs published the last few years, and I can't take that sort of disappointment anymore. Not in Star Wars.
So I am taking my leave from this game. I won't but it. You, Bioware, have cut down the great dream of Star Wars and narrowed it to the one strength you undeniably have: storytelling. And for me, that is just not good enough. You never should have decided to make a MMO in the first place, because in my very personal opinion, you have no clue what makes a MMO. What you are doing is the same Cryptic did with Champions and STO. You know the IP hype alone with pay via the box sales, give or take a few lifetimers and some months keeping people with promises, and then you have your share. Star Wars doesn't mean heck to you, and I am sorry to say, you never ever should have gotten that IP into your hands. Seeing how you broke this great fantasy is indeed heartbreaking for a SW fan like me. In the end, it leaves me with bitterness and the sour taste of another mediocre MMO, and SW really would have deserved a greater vision than the narrow human-only-storytelling Procrustes Bed you are making of it. Your vision is narrow, and reading such arrogant wording like Mr. Erickson ("we know better that people can't relate to freak characters") just shows me you have zero humility towards the IP and you have that same arrogance which was the downfall of all your predessecors in MMOs.
Fine. Have it your way. But your way of making Star Wars isn't mine.
I am sure sungodra is having champaigne now.
I quit drinking the Bioware/TOR kool-aid after I hear them qoute WOW several times in a interview and what really cut my interest is when they showed had the space content interview+trailer, along with Erickson saying exploration and discovery isn't important, but they keep shouting that STORY theme over and over and over again, I have played MMO's for years and never really thought a pick your path story book would enhance my gameplay let alone engage me for years paying a subscription. Basically Bioware dropped the ball instead of innovating and taking the genre a step higher and giving everyone the masses and the real gamers a kick ass Star Wars experience you instead get this:
Your paraphrasing is even worse then your take on TOR. They've never said exploration and discovery isn't important, its actually the opposite. They've never quoted WoW in any interview. The misinformation is so widespread, people should just leave it at "I just don't like this game" instead of trying to rationalize their reasons, it just shows others how very misinformed and abstract their interpretation is in comparison to whats really being said.
Posts complaining about meeting the expectations of an IP are just so ridiculous. There are two types of people around here. The "Ah well, I preferred A over B but I'll take a game as it is and give it a try. Or perhaps simply move on to something else without feeling the uncontrollable urge to immediately notify the entire internet of my intentions"...
And the second type which tend to think "I watch / read / write crappy fanfiction for this IP, and therefore indirectly own it, and this game simply does not meet the unimaginably complex and impossible standards I would have set up if only I, the all-seeing and all-knowing Oz, had been put in charge of this monumentally important project."
If you fall into the latter category you need a girlfriend and/or boyfriend, a new hobby, and possibly a puppy, but definitely something else to do besides bemoan how you're a representative of the secret nerd cult tasked with understanding, appreciating and protecting the core of [insert your favorite intellectual property here] and could have made a better [insert relevant type of entertainment media here] if you were simply listened to by the powers that be.
I sincerely doubt it's a healthy mental lifestyle. Just saying.
The morning sun has vanquished the horrible night.
Tor just isn't for you, hope you find your "SW" experience, personally both me and wife love SW and the one thing imperative to SW is storytelling, does the films give you a sandbox ? no, does the books give you a sandbox ? no, in fact lucas is known for shooting down books and fanfic and only his way is Cannon..
I loved Kotor both 1-2 and all we ever dreamed of was a kotor 3 with multiplay, the storyline the choices the emotions but with a few friends
The more we learn about it the more we are stoked for it.
We have been fans of SW since the original films came out and we have played mmo's for 12 years the only thing that was missing was a true personal storyline.
Keep doing what your doing bioware there are lots of sandbox mmo's so give us just one storyline mmoRPG!
I wonder if you can quit a game that isn't even there yet. Quite pathetic, you may say. And yes, you can have my stuff... wait. There isn't yet any there.
Be that as it is, I need this as a sort of spiritual hygene. I feel I need to wash myself of the dirt, ash from flaming and other less than healthy substances my mind has caught while dealing with TOR.
You know, I am a Star Wars fan as long as SW exists. And yes, while we all have our different approaches and we all love different things about Star Wars, I always felt, what made our fandom great was, everyone could be who or what he wanted. We didn't have any prejudices against anyone's personal approach to Star Wars. For me, SW, as in contrast to Star Trek, always mean a vast galaxy, tens of thousands of worlds and intelligent species, an endless plethora of really different settings. Not like Trek, where essentially all aliens are humans with odd ears or foreheads and all cultures are just a copy of some earth historical cultre. No, SW was dirty, diverse and dark.
SWTOR is none of it. It's bright coloured like WOW in space, it's narrow and streamlined at every possible way. Now for two years I tried to fight for a better SWTOR. And while sure not every single wish can be manifested, I am just DONE with the arrogance of the developers and the arrogance of the fans. There comes a time and point when you realize, this game is not for you and never will. It is a sort of a heartbreaking realization for me, since SW is my greatest fandom for 25 years, and I dived into the depths of everything SW for a long time. I feel sort of like the old Jolee Bindo, when he was asked why he left the Jedi Order, and Jolee answered: "It left me." And so it is with TOR. SWTOR developed into some beast, I don't feel at home anymore.
The list of things TOR does NOT have did grow considerably faster than the list of things we know we CAN do. It's like cutting a dream away, slice by slice, until there is nothing left by the shell of a SW game. I am too tired to go into all the details. The cuts and limitations have been discussed enough, and after 4-5 years of MMOs with broken promises, of ignoring their fans and endlessly making us wait for the "all made nice miracle patch", I am just tired and worn out. I trusted game companies time and again, always buying the games with the hope they will make it better later. They never did. They took the money and essentially ran off with it. In every single case of the last MMORPGs published the last few years, and I can't take that sort of disappointment anymore. Not in Star Wars.
So I am taking my leave from this game. I won't but it. You, Bioware, have cut down the great dream of Star Wars and narrowed it to the one strength you undeniably have: storytelling. And for me, that is just not good enough. You never should have decided to make a MMO in the first place, because in my very personal opinion, you have no clue what makes a MMO. What you are doing is the same Cryptic did with Champions and STO. You know the IP hype alone with pay via the box sales, give or take a few lifetimers and some months keeping people with promises, and then you have your share. Star Wars doesn't mean heck to you, and I am sorry to say, you never ever should have gotten that IP into your hands. Seeing how you broke this great fantasy is indeed heartbreaking for a SW fan like me. In the end, it leaves me with bitterness and the sour taste of another mediocre MMO, and SW really would have deserved a greater vision than the narrow human-only-storytelling Procrustes Bed you are making of it. Your vision is narrow, and reading such arrogant wording like Mr. Erickson ("we know better that people can't relate to freak characters") just shows me you have zero humility towards the IP and you have that same arrogance which was the downfall of all your predessecors in MMOs.
Fine. Have it your way. But your way of making Star Wars isn't mine.
I am sure sungodra is having champaigne now.
There is no way you are quiting. You are too emotional about this game and will continue to be emotionally involved with it. Perhaps if you deleted your swtor.com account and stopped posting in this forum, you might be able to divorce yourself from this game, but I doubt you have that kind of discipline.
Bah... it certainly isn't the game. Its Star Wars. I guess I would buy an empty box with Star Wars upon it. But I still hate it, and I still will try to be strong. Don't get me wrong, I don't think the game is all trash. The story surely will be good. But I loathe what they made with the game, at least so far I as I can see.
Maybe in the end I will indeed fall to the dark side. But I will hate myself for it, and hate Bioware in turn. Such is the way of the dark side.
But IF I ever try it, is is for the SW not the herersy Bioware did. Its like with Midichlorians. Some things are just WRONG. But stupid fans like me end watching it nonetheless, despite loathing it.
You keep going on and on about this and that. I ask you, have you even played the game yet. Did you go to one of the events and hands on the game. If , yes, then you surely have a taste for very little of the game, but much more knowledge that the majority. If no, then the rambling you keep harping on is like saying you won't date blondes because of this picture you seen in a mag and this brunette say'd this and that and on and on.
Once agin, how about wait till the game is released and then make a sound judgement on if it something you will like or not.
Well allot of people it seems considering this thread has 110 post’s. :P
Pwned, I' say.
Hard to imagine they are all above it, when I get so many replies, ja ne?
Making what is in essence a +1 post, doesn't signify one cares.
The reason threads like these have a lot of post is because they are full of drama. Lots of none-sense things said, stuff that rational people go wtf??, followed by more false information and acusations.
Star Trek and me personally feel intellectually RAPED by your ignorant insults! ........ !!!!!
About the game I have no opinion other than that I'm sure it will be awesome, but I won't have time to play it. My advice to you Mr desillusioned-trek-hater, is to not check in on the game until its 2w to release, and then set your hype engine to Warp 9.
How do you think I am a Trek hater? I watched all Trek series and movies. While I am no uber fan of Trek, I like it. But Trek has always been a bit silly with it's all humans with different ears and foreheads, and thats really a no brainer.
I am sorry if you feel your fandom, Stra Trek, was put down in what I said, since I didnt mean that. It's just some example why I preferred Star Wars over Star Trek, but I dont think Trek is bad.
Good day,
Star Trek stretches from Silicon based life-forms to those that are mere clouds of energy which feed upon the emotions of others.
From the high temperature dependent, hermaphroditic, and geometrically precise non-humanoid Tholians, to the spyrocystian Nacene from Exosia who were in their natural state a glutinous liquid that reproduced through the use of spores, to the sentient vermiform Symbionts from the planet Trill, to the Crystalline Entity, a giant spaceborn creature that could consume all life on a planet or starship for that matter. From the telepathic non-corporeal Medusans, to the Bzzit Khaht, to the Calamarians whom existed as large clouds of ionized gas, to the shapeshifting Devidians, to the likewise shapeshifting silicon-based Excalbians, to the giant enslaved spaceborne entities at Farpoint Station, to the silicon-based creature Horta, to the bipedal reptilian Gorn, to the Kelvans who could take on bodies better suited to whatever environment, to the energy- based Paxans, to the biomimetic Silver Blood which was a metallic liquid in it's natural state, to the xenophobic non-humanoid Sheliaks, to the non-corporeal Thasians whom had psychokinetic abilitiy, to extinct Xindi Avians, to the Xindi Insectoids whom the Geanosians largely resemble, to the Xindi Aquatics which evolved to living underwater, even flying ships filled with water in order to survive in space! To the...
I think that is enough of an example of why you are completely wrong.
There are two possible answers.
1. You haven't watched all of the Star Trek series and movies.
2. You watched them and didn't understand (or remember) a single thing you watched.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Sadly that doesn't stop people going on and on about it
I'm willing to bet every single person that has moaned and raged about the game will atleast try it. Even if they say they won't, deep down they know Bioware might have something very special here. They just don't want to admit it.
I lost my interest in this game a long time ago...welcome to the club
I wish the people who lost interest in the game would stop posting for a while.
When I found out STO was bad, I posted for a couple months immediately before release on how it was looking bad. I didn't stick around for 3-6 months like people are doing with TOR (and heck, maybe even another 9 months for some of the poeple).
Maybe the people who think the game sucks should take a break from the forum for half a year until just a bit before launch. Seems like the more civil way to go rather than trolling the forums for a year.
If there weren't any 'naysayers', the hype-o-meter for games like SWTOR would go through the roof.
We're just doing our god given duty of keeping fanbois in check, because lack of criticism breeds complacency and acceptance to mediocraty.
If people had reasonable criticism that would be one thing. The vast majority of stuff is ridiculously false accusations that the world isn't open, that quest system can't work (when it is a flat-out improvement of systems that DO work, despite their oddities), that it isn't a sandbox when it was never meant to be, etc. All this noise makes reasonable discussion about the merits and flaws almost impossible. Heck, you can't even tell who is being deliberately dense from who is just starting to learn about the game. Overall it is a cancer on this forum.
I'd welcome reasoned debate about how TOR is shaping up, but in the current environment that just can't happen.
I think all the FFXIV fans getting hot under the collar about peopel judging FFXIV on hands on experience of the open beta should read this thread and get some perspective 8P.
If people had reasonable criticism that would be one thing. The vast majority of stuff is ridiculously false accusations that the world isn't open, that quest system can't work (when it is a flat-out improvement of systems that DO work, despite their oddities), that it isn't a sandbox when it was never meant to be, etc. All this noise makes reasonable discussion about the merits and flaws almost impossible. Heck, you can't even tell who is being deliberately dense from who is just starting to learn about the game. Overall it is a cancer on this forum.
I'd welcome reasoned debate about how TOR is shaping up, but in the current environment that just can't happen.
Exactly. The thing is I see it the opposite of you. I see people trying to build this game up to what its clearly not in an effort to garner more hype.
I see fanbois much more often, than I see "haters". Any person who tries to question SWTOR is immediately pounced on by the fanbois. Just because someone has doubts about a game doesn't make them a troll or hater.
Its impossible to discuss a popular game on these forums, because of fanbois. They go completely berserk. Sorry, I just don't believe that people are posting over here in an effort to persuade people to play WoW, or whatever the fanboi thinks motivates "haters".
I remember AOC, Vanguard, D&L, and all the other overhyped games that crash and burned being hyped into oblivion. People who tried to bring the hype to reality were completely torched and called "trolls, that are afraid people will leave WoW". That just doesn't make sense. The true trolls are these fanbois who won't allow discussion to happen. People need to stop getting so emotionally attached to a friggin' game. One they've never played at that.
I wonder if you can quit a game that isn't even there yet. Quite pathetic, you may say. And yes, you can have my stuff... wait. There isn't yet any there.
Be that as it is, I need this as a sort of spiritual hygene. I feel I need to wash myself of the dirt, ash from flaming and other less than healthy substances my mind has caught while dealing with TOR.
You know, I am a Star Wars fan as long as SW exists. And yes, while we all have our different approaches and we all love different things about Star Wars, I always felt, what made our fandom great was, everyone could be who or what he wanted. We didn't have any prejudices against anyone's personal approach to Star Wars. For me, SW, as in contrast to Star Trek, always mean a vast galaxy, tens of thousands of worlds and intelligent species, an endless plethora of really different settings. Not like Trek, where essentially all aliens are humans with odd ears or foreheads and all cultures are just a copy of some earth historical cultre. No, SW was dirty, diverse and dark.
SWTOR is none of it. It's bright coloured like WOW in space, it's narrow and streamlined at every possible way. Now for two years I tried to fight for a better SWTOR. And while sure not every single wish can be manifested, I am just DONE with the arrogance of the developers and the arrogance of the fans. There comes a time and point when you realize, this game is not for you and never will. It is a sort of a heartbreaking realization for me, since SW is my greatest fandom for 25 years, and I dived into the depths of everything SW for a long time. I feel sort of like the old Jolee Bindo, when he was asked why he left the Jedi Order, and Jolee answered: "It left me." And so it is with TOR. SWTOR developed into some beast, I don't feel at home anymore.
The list of things TOR does NOT have did grow considerably faster than the list of things we know we CAN do. It's like cutting a dream away, slice by slice, until there is nothing left by the shell of a SW game. I am too tired to go into all the details. The cuts and limitations have been discussed enough, and after 4-5 years of MMOs with broken promises, of ignoring their fans and endlessly making us wait for the "all made nice miracle patch", I am just tired and worn out. I trusted game companies time and again, always buying the games with the hope they will make it better later. They never did. They took the money and essentially ran off with it. In every single case of the last MMORPGs published the last few years, and I can't take that sort of disappointment anymore. Not in Star Wars.
So I am taking my leave from this game. I won't but it. You, Bioware, have cut down the great dream of Star Wars and narrowed it to the one strength you undeniably have: storytelling. And for me, that is just not good enough. You never should have decided to make a MMO in the first place, because in my very personal opinion, you have no clue what makes a MMO. What you are doing is the same Cryptic did with Champions and STO. You know the IP hype alone with pay via the box sales, give or take a few lifetimers and some months keeping people with promises, and then you have your share. Star Wars doesn't mean heck to you, and I am sorry to say, you never ever should have gotten that IP into your hands. Seeing how you broke this great fantasy is indeed heartbreaking for a SW fan like me. In the end, it leaves me with bitterness and the sour taste of another mediocre MMO, and SW really would have deserved a greater vision than the narrow human-only-storytelling Procrustes Bed you are making of it. Your vision is narrow, and reading such arrogant wording like Mr. Erickson ("we know better that people can't relate to freak characters") just shows me you have zero humility towards the IP and you have that same arrogance which was the downfall of all your predessecors in MMOs.
Fine. Have it your way. But your way of making Star Wars isn't mine.
I am sure sungodra is having champaigne now.
Now that you've gotten that out, Never ever ever post another post about this game lest you become a crappy troll. O and nobody cares.
I think what we've got to accept is that this coming game is going to be a lot simpler and a lot more basic than previous MMOs because LA wants to hit a younger demographic than usually plays MMOs. #
Just as SWG as aimed at the twenty-year olds who loved Eps' IV-VI, SWTOR seems aimed at the tweens who like the Clone Wars cartoons.
Or, you know, its aimed at KOTOR fans, seeing how its based on kotor and looks just like kotor.
If people had reasonable criticism that would be one thing. The vast majority of stuff is ridiculously false accusations that the world isn't open, that quest system can't work (when it is a flat-out improvement of systems that DO work, despite their oddities), that it isn't a sandbox when it was never meant to be, etc. All this noise makes reasonable discussion about the merits and flaws almost impossible. Heck, you can't even tell who is being deliberately dense from who is just starting to learn about the game. Overall it is a cancer on this forum.
I'd welcome reasoned debate about how TOR is shaping up, but in the current environment that just can't happen.
Exactly. The thing is I see it the opposite of you. I see people trying to build this game up to what its clearly not in an effort to garner more hype.
I see fanbois much more often, than I see "haters". Any person who tries to question SWTOR is immediately pounced on by the fanbois. Just because someone has doubts about a game doesn't make them a troll or hater.
Its impossible to discuss a popular game on these forums, because of fanbois. They go completely berserk. Sorry, I just don't believe that people are posting over here in an effort to persuade people to play WoW, or whatever the fanboi thinks motivates "haters".
I remember AOC, Vanguard, D&L, and all the other overhyped games that crash and burned being hyped into oblivion. People who tried to bring the hype to reality were completely torched and called "trolls, that are afraid people will leave WoW". That just doesn't make sense. The true trolls are these fanbois who won't allow discussion to happen. People need to stop getting so emotionally attached to a friggin' game. One they've never played at that.
You have got to be kidding...
The majority of threads on this forum recently have been about how TOR is, for whatever unsubstantiated reason, going to fail or is not going to live up to someone's expectations. The vast majority of these posters just want the game to be a sandbox like SWG and they will not be satisfied with anything but that. It is only natural that people get upset after reading SO MANY different threads about how the game will suck. I can't help but get angry seeing Elikal's 15th "I hate SWTOR" thread and so I post in response...
Then you have people like me who come to this forum to read about and discuss the information that has actually been released about the game and we have to sift through thread after thread of crap. Most of us you label as fanboys have simply said that we enjoy Bioware games and that we THINK this game will be good based upon the information that has been released so far... not some wild unsubstantiated assumptions. I haven't seen anyone here saying the game is perfect or that it will be the best game ever released...
You know, I saw surprisingly similar threads before Star Trek Online launched.
Take that as you will.
Um, Bioware=/=Cryptic, STO was made in like two years, TOR in about six.
I also saw threads about this prior to WoW's launch.
Take that as you will.
I never said Bioware = Cryptic, and what does it say if people are having the same arguments over a game made in 2 years compared to a game made in 6? Think carefully.
Also, I don't know what forums you were reading, but I was playing MMOs and reading forums about WoW before it's launch and I saw nothing like this. (Join date before WoW launched I believe, for what it's worth)
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
You know guys, I am always willing to hear any reason why you think I am wrong, or why SWTOR is going to be good. Just leave the fun making, the personal attacks and verbal gameplay out.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
I can't help but get angry seeing Elikal's 15th "I hate SWTOR" thread and so I post in response...
I'll give you that. Guy, needs to let it go. However, you've been here about as long as I have, and I'm sure you're familiar with the OP's style. This is what he does. Basically, he loves drama.
Why do you feel I am kidding that the overabundance of fanbois make these forums impossible to hold a discussion? Sure, if you want a one sided discussion talking about how great a game will be, and how anyone who has a critism is a "troll that is from WoW".
Its a combo of both that make this a poor place for discussion. I just feel people are way to naive, and get way too attached to games that aren't out.
If people had reasonable criticism that would be one thing. The vast majority of stuff is ridiculously false accusations that the world isn't open, that quest system can't work (when it is a flat-out improvement of systems that DO work, despite their oddities), that it isn't a sandbox when it was never meant to be, etc. All this noise makes reasonable discussion about the merits and flaws almost impossible. Heck, you can't even tell who is being deliberately dense from who is just starting to learn about the game. Overall it is a cancer on this forum.
I'd welcome reasoned debate about how TOR is shaping up, but in the current environment that just can't happen.
Exactly. The thing is I see it the opposite of you. I see people trying to build this game up to what its clearly not in an effort to garner more hype.
I see fanbois much more often, than I see "haters". Any person who tries to question SWTOR is immediately pounced on by the fanbois. Just because someone has doubts about a game doesn't make them a troll or hater.
Its impossible to discuss a popular game on these forums, because of fanbois. They go completely berserk. Sorry, I just don't believe that people are posting over here in an effort to persuade people to play WoW, or whatever the fanboi thinks motivates "haters".
I remember AOC, Vanguard, D&L, and all the other overhyped games that crash and burned being hyped into oblivion. People who tried to bring the hype to reality were completely torched and called "trolls, that are afraid people will leave WoW". That just doesn't make sense. The true trolls are these fanbois who won't allow discussion to happen. People need to stop getting so emotionally attached to a friggin' game. One they've never played at that.
You have got to be kidding...
The majority of threads on this forum recently have been about how TOR is, for whatever unsubstantiated reason, going to fail or is not going to live up to someone's expectations. The vast majority of these posters just want the game to be a sandbox like SWG and they will not be satisfied with anything but that. It is only natural that people get upset after reading SO MANY different threads about how the game will suck. I can't help but get angry seeing Elikal's 15th "I hate SWTOR" thread and so I post in response...
Then you have people like me who come to this forum to read about and discuss the information that has actually been released about the game and we have to sift through thread after thread of crap. Most of us you label as fanboys have simply said that we enjoy Bioware games and that we THINK this game will be good based upon the information that has been released so far... not some wild unsubstantiated assumptions. I haven't seen anyone here saying the game is perfect or that it will be the best game ever released...
I agree
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Pwned, I' say.
Hard to imagine they are all above it, when I get so many replies, ja ne?
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Your paraphrasing is even worse then your take on TOR. They've never said exploration and discovery isn't important, its actually the opposite. They've never quoted WoW in any interview. The misinformation is so widespread, people should just leave it at "I just don't like this game" instead of trying to rationalize their reasons, it just shows others how very misinformed and abstract their interpretation is in comparison to whats really being said.
Posts complaining about meeting the expectations of an IP are just so ridiculous. There are two types of people around here. The "Ah well, I preferred A over B but I'll take a game as it is and give it a try. Or perhaps simply move on to something else without feeling the uncontrollable urge to immediately notify the entire internet of my intentions"...
And the second type which tend to think "I watch / read / write crappy fanfiction for this IP, and therefore indirectly own it, and this game simply does not meet the unimaginably complex and impossible standards I would have set up if only I, the all-seeing and all-knowing Oz, had been put in charge of this monumentally important project."
If you fall into the latter category you need a girlfriend and/or boyfriend, a new hobby, and possibly a puppy, but definitely something else to do besides bemoan how you're a representative of the secret nerd cult tasked with understanding, appreciating and protecting the core of [insert your favorite intellectual property here] and could have made a better [insert relevant type of entertainment media here] if you were simply listened to by the powers that be.
I sincerely doubt it's a healthy mental lifestyle. Just saying.
The morning sun has vanquished the horrible night.
Tor just isn't for you, hope you find your "SW" experience, personally both me and wife love SW and the one thing imperative to SW is storytelling, does the films give you a sandbox ? no, does the books give you a sandbox ? no, in fact lucas is known for shooting down books and fanfic and only his way is Cannon..
I loved Kotor both 1-2 and all we ever dreamed of was a kotor 3 with multiplay, the storyline the choices the emotions but with a few friends
The more we learn about it the more we are stoked for it.
We have been fans of SW since the original films came out and we have played mmo's for 12 years the only thing that was missing was a true personal storyline.
Keep doing what your doing bioware there are lots of sandbox mmo's so give us just one storyline mmoRPG!
Making what is in essence a +1 post, doesn't signify one cares.
"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
You keep going on and on about this and that. I ask you, have you even played the game yet. Did you go to one of the events and hands on the game. If , yes, then you surely have a taste for very little of the game, but much more knowledge that the majority. If no, then the rambling you keep harping on is like saying you won't date blondes because of this picture you seen in a mag and this brunette say'd this and that and on and on.
Once agin, how about wait till the game is released and then make a sound judgement on if it something you will like or not.
The reason threads like these have a lot of post is because they are full of drama. Lots of none-sense things said, stuff that rational people go wtf??, followed by more false information and acusations.
Good day,
Star Trek stretches from Silicon based life-forms to those that are mere clouds of energy which feed upon the emotions of others.
From the high temperature dependent, hermaphroditic, and geometrically precise non-humanoid Tholians, to the spyrocystian Nacene from Exosia who were in their natural state a glutinous liquid that reproduced through the use of spores, to the sentient vermiform Symbionts from the planet Trill, to the Crystalline Entity, a giant spaceborn creature that could consume all life on a planet or starship for that matter. From the telepathic non-corporeal Medusans, to the Bzzit Khaht, to the Calamarians whom existed as large clouds of ionized gas, to the shapeshifting Devidians, to the likewise shapeshifting silicon-based Excalbians, to the giant enslaved spaceborne entities at Farpoint Station, to the silicon-based creature Horta, to the bipedal reptilian Gorn, to the Kelvans who could take on bodies better suited to whatever environment, to the energy- based Paxans, to the biomimetic Silver Blood which was a metallic liquid in it's natural state, to the xenophobic non-humanoid Sheliaks, to the non-corporeal Thasians whom had psychokinetic abilitiy, to extinct Xindi Avians, to the Xindi Insectoids whom the Geanosians largely resemble, to the Xindi Aquatics which evolved to living underwater, even flying ships filled with water in order to survive in space! To the...
I think that is enough of an example of why you are completely wrong.
There are two possible answers.
1. You haven't watched all of the Star Trek series and movies.
2. You watched them and didn't understand (or remember) a single thing you watched.
This sums it up rather nicely.
For god's sake, the game isn't even out yet,
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Sadly that doesn't stop people going on and on about it
I'm willing to bet every single person that has moaned and raged about the game will atleast try it. Even if they say they won't, deep down they know Bioware might have something very special here. They just don't want to admit it.
If people had reasonable criticism that would be one thing. The vast majority of stuff is ridiculously false accusations that the world isn't open, that quest system can't work (when it is a flat-out improvement of systems that DO work, despite their oddities), that it isn't a sandbox when it was never meant to be, etc. All this noise makes reasonable discussion about the merits and flaws almost impossible. Heck, you can't even tell who is being deliberately dense from who is just starting to learn about the game. Overall it is a cancer on this forum.
I'd welcome reasoned debate about how TOR is shaping up, but in the current environment that just can't happen.
I think all the FFXIV fans getting hot under the collar about peopel judging FFXIV on hands on experience of the open beta should read this thread and get some perspective 8P.
Exactly. The thing is I see it the opposite of you. I see people trying to build this game up to what its clearly not in an effort to garner more hype.
I see fanbois much more often, than I see "haters". Any person who tries to question SWTOR is immediately pounced on by the fanbois. Just because someone has doubts about a game doesn't make them a troll or hater.
Its impossible to discuss a popular game on these forums, because of fanbois. They go completely berserk. Sorry, I just don't believe that people are posting over here in an effort to persuade people to play WoW, or whatever the fanboi thinks motivates "haters".
I remember AOC, Vanguard, D&L, and all the other overhyped games that crash and burned being hyped into oblivion. People who tried to bring the hype to reality were completely torched and called "trolls, that are afraid people will leave WoW". That just doesn't make sense. The true trolls are these fanbois who won't allow discussion to happen. People need to stop getting so emotionally attached to a friggin' game. One they've never played at that.
Now that you've gotten that out, Never ever ever post another post about this game lest you become a crappy troll. O and nobody cares.
You know, I saw surprisingly similar threads before Star Trek Online launched.
Take that as you will.
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
Um, Bioware=/=Cryptic, STO was made in like two years, TOR in about six.
I also saw threads about this prior to WoW's launch.
Take that as you will.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
Thanks. I hope I'm wrong tho.
Join date 05/2010. WoW release 11/04.
Take that as you will.
Sorry, just gotta point that out as being kinda funny.
Forums in general. MMORPG.com is not the only MMO website in the world.
Take that as you will.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
You have got to be kidding...
The majority of threads on this forum recently have been about how TOR is, for whatever unsubstantiated reason, going to fail or is not going to live up to someone's expectations. The vast majority of these posters just want the game to be a sandbox like SWG and they will not be satisfied with anything but that. It is only natural that people get upset after reading SO MANY different threads about how the game will suck. I can't help but get angry seeing Elikal's 15th "I hate SWTOR" thread and so I post in response...
Then you have people like me who come to this forum to read about and discuss the information that has actually been released about the game and we have to sift through thread after thread of crap. Most of us you label as fanboys have simply said that we enjoy Bioware games and that we THINK this game will be good based upon the information that has been released so far... not some wild unsubstantiated assumptions. I haven't seen anyone here saying the game is perfect or that it will be the best game ever released...
You must mean: "Learn to speak English properly.", right?
Perhaps you should take a look at your own grammar before you try flaming people.
Irony ftw?
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
I never said Bioware = Cryptic, and what does it say if people are having the same arguments over a game made in 2 years compared to a game made in 6? Think carefully.
Also, I don't know what forums you were reading, but I was playing MMOs and reading forums about WoW before it's launch and I saw nothing like this. (Join date before WoW launched I believe, for what it's worth)
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
You know guys, I am always willing to hear any reason why you think I am wrong, or why SWTOR is going to be good. Just leave the fun making, the personal attacks and verbal gameplay out.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
I'll give you that. Guy, needs to let it go. However, you've been here about as long as I have, and I'm sure you're familiar with the OP's style. This is what he does. Basically, he loves drama.
Why do you feel I am kidding that the overabundance of fanbois make these forums impossible to hold a discussion? Sure, if you want a one sided discussion talking about how great a game will be, and how anyone who has a critism is a "troll that is from WoW".
Its a combo of both that make this a poor place for discussion. I just feel people are way to naive, and get way too attached to games that aren't out.
I agree
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