That's it - I am quit my interest in SWTOR

Elikal

I wonder if you can quit a game that isn't even there yet. Quite pathetic, you may say. And yes, you can have my stuff... wait. There isn't yet any there.

Be that as it is, I need this as a sort of spiritual hygene. I feel I need to wash myself of the dirt, ash from flaming and other less than healthy substances my mind has caught while dealing with TOR.

You know, I am a Star Wars fan as long as SW exists. And yes, while we all have our different approaches and we all love different things about Star Wars, I always felt, what made our fandom great was, everyone could be who or what he wanted. We didn't have any prejudices against anyone's personal approach to Star Wars. For me, SW, as in contrast to Star Trek, always mean a vast galaxy, tens of thousands of worlds and intelligent species, an endless plethora of really different settings. Not like Trek, where essentially all aliens are humans with odd ears or foreheads and all cultures are just a copy of some earth historical cultre. No, SW was dirty, diverse and dark.

SWTOR is none of it. It's bright coloured like WOW in space, it's narrow and streamlined at every possible way. Now for two years I tried to fight for a better SWTOR. And while sure not every single wish can be manifested, I am just DONE with the arrogance of the developers and the arrogance of the fans. There comes a time and point when you realize, this game is not for you and never will. It is a sort of a heartbreaking realization for me, since SW is my greatest fandom for 25 years, and I dived into the depths of everything SW for a long time. I feel sort of like the old Jolee Bindo, when he was asked why he left the Jedi Order, and Jolee answered: "It left me." And so it is with TOR. SWTOR developed into some beast, I don't feel at home anymore.

The list of things TOR does NOT have did grow considerably faster than the list of things we know we CAN do. It's like cutting a dream away, slice by slice, until there is nothing left by the shell of a SW game. I am too tired to go into all the details. The cuts and limitations have been discussed enough, and after 4-5 years of MMOs with broken promises, of ignoring their fans and endlessly making us wait for the "all made nice miracle patch", I am just tired and worn out. I trusted game companies time and again, always buying the games with the hope they will make it better later. They never did. They took the money and essentially ran off with it. In every single case of the last MMORPGs published the last few years, and I can't take that sort of disappointment anymore. Not in Star Wars.

 

So I am taking my leave from this game. I won't but it. You, Bioware, have cut down the great dream of Star Wars and narrowed it to the one strength you undeniably have: storytelling. And for me, that is just not good enough. You never should have decided to make a MMO in the first place, because in my very personal opinion, you have no clue what makes a MMO. What you are doing is the same Cryptic did with Champions and STO. You know the IP hype alone with pay via the box sales, give or take a few lifetimers and some months keeping people with promises, and then you have your share. Star Wars doesn't mean heck to you, and I am sorry to say, you never ever should have gotten that IP into your hands. Seeing how you broke this great fantasy is indeed heartbreaking for a SW fan like me. In the end, it leaves me with bitterness and the sour taste of another mediocre MMO, and SW really would have deserved a greater vision than the narrow human-only-storytelling Procrustes Bed you are making of it. Your vision is narrow, and reading such arrogant wording like Mr. Erickson ("we know better that people can't relate to freak characters") just shows me you have zero humility towards the IP and you have that same arrogance which was the downfall of all your predessecors in MMOs.

Fine. Have it your way. But your way of making Star Wars isn't mine.

 

[Mod Edit]

sungodra

Originally posted by Elikal

I wonder if you can quit a game that isn't even there yet. Quite pathetic, you may say. And yes, you can have my stuff... wait. There isn't yet any there.

Be that as it is, I need this as a sort of spiritual hygene. I feel I need to wash myself of the dirt, ash from flaming and other less than healthy substances my mind has caught while dealing with TOR.

You know, I am a Star Wars fan as long as SW exists. And yes, while we all have our different approaches and we all love different things about Star Wars, I always felt, what made our fandom great was, everyone could be who or what he wanted. We didn't have any prejudices against anyone's personal approach to Star Wars. For me, SW, as in contrast to Star Trek, always mean a vast galaxy, tens of thousands of worlds and intelligent species, an endless plethora of really different settings. Not like Trek, where essentially all aliens are humans with odd ears or foreheads and all cultures are just a copy of some earth historical cultre. No, SW was dirty, diverse and dark.

SWTOR is none of it. It's bright coloured like WOW in space, it's narrow and streamlined at every possible way. Now for two years I tried to fight for a better SWTOR. And while sure not every single wish can be manifested, I am just DONE with the arrogance of the developers and the arrogance of the fans. There comes a time and point when you realize, this game is not for you and never will. It is a sort of a heartbreaking realization for me, since SW is my greatest fandom for 25 years, and I dived into the depths of everything SW for a long time. I feel sort of like the old Jolee Bindo, when he was asked why he left the Jedi Order, and Jolee answered: "It left me." And so it is with TOR. SWTOR developed into some beast, I don't feel at home anymore.

The list of things TOR does NOT have did grow considerably faster than the list of things we know we CAN do. It's like cutting a dream away, slice by slice, until there is nothing left by the shell of a SW game. I am too tired to go into all the details. The cuts and limitations have been discussed enough, and after 4-5 years of MMOs with broken promises, of ignoring their fans and endlessly making us wait for the "all made nice miracle patch", I am just tired and worn out. I trusted game companies time and again, always buying the games with the hope they will make it better later. They never did. They took the money and essentially ran off with it. In every single case of the last MMORPGs published the last few years, and I can't take that sort of disappointment anymore. Not in Star Wars.

 

So I am taking my leave from this game. I won't but it. You, Bioware, have cut down the great dream of Star Wars and narrowed it to the one strength you undeniably have: storytelling. And for me, that is just not good enough. You never should have decided to make a MMO in the first place, because in my very personal opinion, you have no clue what makes a MMO. What you are doing is the same Cryptic did with Champions and STO. You know the IP hype alone with pay via the box sales, give or take a few lifetimers and some months keeping people with promises, and then you have your share. Star Wars doesn't mean heck to you, and I am sorry to say, you never ever should have gotten that IP into your hands. Seeing how you broke this great fantasy is indeed heartbreaking for a SW fan like me. In the end, it leaves me with bitterness and the sour taste of another mediocre MMO, and SW really would have deserved a greater vision than the narrow human-only-storytelling Procrustes Bed you are making of it. Your vision is narrow, and reading such arrogant wording like Mr. Erickson ("we know better that people can't relate to freak characters") just shows me you have zero humility towards the IP and you have that same arrogance which was the downfall of all your predessecors in MMOs.

Fine. Have it your way. But your way of making Star Wars isn't mine.

 

I am sure sungodra is having champaigne now.

 Ok, now that you have come to the realization that this isn't the game for you , are you going to continue to make these posts about how you don't like the direction of it?

 

It isn't an SWG2 that is for sure, but most of us are happy about that. At least I am. I want something different.

aleos

see you in-game.

Joshua69

wow, if a game can inspire such controversy and compelling speaches with barley a release time frame. Good deal.

cylon8

I'm going to sum up and agrre with some of what you posted to this because I kind of agree. I am in the vein that ip games go the same was star trek games go.  They will NEVER appease everyone, and when they do they don't make sound financial sense for the companies that make them so they change them as in the case of star wars galaxxies.  However all the hype about the oold republic sent me back to star wars galaxies and I'll be blunt, for all the ranting and raving about pre/ post nge experiences the game it self still offeres all I'd want in a star wars mmo. It casual enough i could walk away from it for 3 months and not miss out but still involved anough to provide an engrossing experience.  Noone is ever going to get exactly what they want out of a game but for just once I'd liek to see a community actually embrace a single game and keep their passion for it regardless of any changes devs think are fundamental to mantyian a profit.  Mosrt sci fi genres...including trek, bsg, stargate etc have very tight knit communities that are doing themselves a dis-service by not embracing things that expand that community to incorporate new generations.  What that eventually leads to is the death of an entire genre. Fanboyism is it''s own worse enemy as it puts up a wall between  indoctrinating new people into a genre and appeasing the existing fanbase. paramount knew this when they rebooted trek...cryptic ignored this when they made tso....but overall its the fanbase that hurts itself by being too finicky. I play clone wars online, I am a fairly hard core star wars fan...does that make me a traitor to the genre? If you think so maybe you should ask yourself why...clone wars has introdouced an entirely new generation to star wars..one that would have been barely touched by another series of films or a live action tv show.   think about your decisions and how you approach people interested int he genre..the choices you make might lead to the demise of the things you love

fansede

Come on back. You know you want to. Its only you, baby. I swear I aint gonna be bad again. Trust me. You know me. Would I really want to hurt you? 

 

Love, 

Bioware

DeadlyByDez

But...but,...it's not out yet. How can you make a judgment call on something you have never experienced? Or am I being mental here?

kalinis

You know i love everything ive heard about swtor. What cant we do when it starts. We cant be wookies or rodian or mon cals at least thats what it sounds like. We can be chiss,rattacki,sithpurebloods,zabrak the list goes on. I cant wait. It wont have a free form space combat but will have space combat that feels like a massive battle with u as part of it as if u are in a movie. That is what pc gamer said at least. Yea that sounds so bad to me lol not.

I was looking forward to swtor for 2 reasons sith and jedi. I also heard the graphics are 10 times better then what they showed at pax now and from what reviewers said graphics at pax were very good indeed. So u cant be a wookie on release so what so u cant play space combat like in xwing vs tie fighter last i looked this isnt a space sim game. its an mmorpg.

What we dont know end game, crafting, and a bunch of other stuff. They have dungeons and pvp they will have group play and companions. For a game still 6 months from release everything ive heard sounds exciting so dont play it. I dont need more whiners like u in it anyways. I get enough of that with the wow playerbase.

I love wow its fun its a blast to play and people who havent downed lk on normal whine its to easy. So good riddance i wish i could get rid of players like u from wow oh well i guess ill have to settle for your whiny butt staying away from swtor . So let me say thanks and good riddance.

Skuz

You know I can't help but sympathise with the OP, it's like I can really feel the guys frustration.

I think it's a bit like taking a beautiful tree & then taking away all the things that make it a beautiful living breathing thing & turning it into a plastic representation of a tree, sure it will still look ike a tree, but you know it's just not right.

I felt Mythic took the Warhammer IP & turned it into a saturday morning cartoon, it lost it's grit & it's blood & guts brutality along the way, and I feel BioWare are pretty much doing the same thing to Star Wars, cleansing it & purifying it is robbing it of it's real nature & substance, the real heart & soul of the Star Wars universe is it's very diversity & I think it's really short-sighted, conceited & arrogant of them to think you can't tell a story from anything other than a human perspective because the audience are humans, which is really rather condescending of them if you ask me.

Phry

Kudo's to the OP.. i think he makes a lot of sense, and states the reasons why, imo, this game will not really appeal to all Star Wars fans, i'd be surprised if it even appealed to more than half of them really, im rarely surprised... but this isnt the Star Wars game i was waiting for either.. as has already been stated, this isnt SWG2.. its not even SWG 0.25 ... nor is it  Xwing V Tie Fighter 2..  .. oddly enough, less really isnt more. and a bunch of voiceovers isnt going to replace gameplay..

glim3mer

Actually truth be told, a lot of us were kinda waiting/expecting SWG2! 

I haven't really kept up with the development of SWTOR because I'm afraid I'll reach the OP's conclusion, but I have read a few things here and there. Although I have not yet decided if this game is for me, (Im gonna actually wait for release to make my decision) I have read some things that I find a bit weird and strange.

-The idea that pretty much everyone will be Jedi/Sith

-The idea that everyone will be "humanoid"

-The idea that it's an MMO based on a single player RPG model

-The idea that the world is static

-The idea that space is an after-though and its on rails sort of like an arcade

-etc...

Like I said, only reason im not freaking out, is cause Im not really bothering with following the game development up closely and Im pretty much waiting till release to see what the game is like. Because, theres the chance that even though the game is like I mention, it might still be fun, who knows... But Im holding out till I see final products.

Caskio

He felt the need to place this post in multiple forums so I'm going to link the SWTOR post here as well.

http://swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=199986

Also going to quote a great reply from Dymensia as I feel the same way in regards to the OP.

"Star Wars is great because it encompasses a number of different tastes and interests. However, every Star Wars game that doesn't cater to mine in every way isn't really Star Wars, and it makes me sad. Anyone who likes such a game is arrogant and selfish for having different interests."

 

(Summary for those who don't want to read the whole thing)

I do feel the players should play games to have fun.  Too often I see them cross the line into a lifestyle.

"Star Wars is great because it encompasses a number of different tastes and interests. However, every Star Wars game that doesn't cater to mine in every way isn't really Star Wars, and it makes me sad. Anyone who likes such a game is arrogant and selfish for having different interests."

 

(Summary for those who don't want to read the whole thing"Star Wars is great because it encompasses a number of different tastes and interests. However, every Star Wars game that doesn't cater to mine in every way isn't really Star Wars, and it makes me sad. Anyone who likes such a game is arrogant and selfish for having different interests."

 

(Summary for those who don't want to read the whole thing

 

"Star Wars is great because it encompasses a number of different tastes and interests. However, every Star Wars game that doesn't cater to mine in every way isn't really Star Wars, and it makes me sad. Anyone who likes such a game is arrogant and selfish for having different interests."

 

(Summary for those who don't want to read the whole thing"Star Wars is great because it encompasses a number of different tastes and interests. However, every Star Wars game that doesn't cater to mine in every way isn't really Star Wars, and it makes me sad. Anyone who likes such a game is arrogant and selfish for having different interests."

 

(Summary for those who don't want to read the whole thing

 

"Star Wars is great because it encompasses a number of different tastes and interests. However, every Star Wars game that doesn't cater to mine in every way isn't really Star Wars, and it makes me sad. Anyone who likes such a game is arrogant and selfish for having different interests."

 

(Summary for those who don't want to read the whole thing

Overfiend138

Clearly if the OP were a Jedi instead of a Ranger he would understand.

Sector13

Bioware is just taking a page from Lucas.

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DarLorkar

Think we all get too involved in games way, way, too early anymore. It is even worse for folks like the OP, who are fans of an IP.

What game could really live up to a fully fleshed out IP?  Hundreds if not thousands of planets? All the races? Characters and what not from books, movies? 

To me, most of these large well known IP games are just a pipe dream. There is no way the technology is there to live up to what the fans have in their imaginations of what the perfect game will be. Not sure the tech will ever be there for some peoples idea's of the perfect game.

The idea of the perfect game is a myth, same as the idea of the perfect man,woman, lover or even family.  They will all have some flaws, somewhere.  Just need to take each of them as they are and not try to make them into the perfect idea. It does not exist.

vladakov

see you ingame mate ^^

 

i can't wait either for this too release.

 

 

p.s. you know you are going to try this game out... 

McGamer

Originally posted by sungodra

Originally posted by Elikal

I wonder if you can quit a game that isn't even there yet. Quite pathetic, you may say. And yes, you can have my stuff... wait. There isn't yet any there.

Be that as it is, I need this as a sort of spiritual hygene. I feel I need to wash myself of the dirt, ash from flaming and other less than healthy substances my mind has caught while dealing with TOR.

You know, I am a Star Wars fan as long as SW exists. And yes, while we all have our different approaches and we all love different things about Star Wars, I always felt, what made our fandom great was, everyone could be who or what he wanted. We didn't have any prejudices against anyone's personal approach to Star Wars. For me, SW, as in contrast to Star Trek, always mean a vast galaxy, tens of thousands of worlds and intelligent species, an endless plethora of really different settings. Not like Trek, where essentially all aliens are humans with odd ears or foreheads and all cultures are just a copy of some earth historical cultre. No, SW was dirty, diverse and dark.

SWTOR is none of it. It's bright coloured like WOW in space, it's narrow and streamlined at every possible way. Now for two years I tried to fight for a better SWTOR. And while sure not every single wish can be manifested, I am just DONE with the arrogance of the developers and the arrogance of the fans. There comes a time and point when you realize, this game is not for you and never will. It is a sort of a heartbreaking realization for me, since SW is my greatest fandom for 25 years, and I dived into the depths of everything SW for a long time. I feel sort of like the old Jolee Bindo, when he was asked why he left the Jedi Order, and Jolee answered: "It left me." And so it is with TOR. SWTOR developed into some beast, I don't feel at home anymore.

The list of things TOR does NOT have did grow considerably faster than the list of things we know we CAN do. It's like cutting a dream away, slice by slice, until there is nothing left by the shell of a SW game. I am too tired to go into all the details. The cuts and limitations have been discussed enough, and after 4-5 years of MMOs with broken promises, of ignoring their fans and endlessly making us wait for the "all made nice miracle patch", I am just tired and worn out. I trusted game companies time and again, always buying the games with the hope they will make it better later. They never did. They took the money and essentially ran off with it. In every single case of the last MMORPGs published the last few years, and I can't take that sort of disappointment anymore. Not in Star Wars.

 

So I am taking my leave from this game. I won't but it. You, Bioware, have cut down the great dream of Star Wars and narrowed it to the one strength you undeniably have: storytelling. And for me, that is just not good enough. You never should have decided to make a MMO in the first place, because in my very personal opinion, you have no clue what makes a MMO. What you are doing is the same Cryptic did with Champions and STO. You know the IP hype alone with pay via the box sales, give or take a few lifetimers and some months keeping people with promises, and then you have your share. Star Wars doesn't mean heck to you, and I am sorry to say, you never ever should have gotten that IP into your hands. Seeing how you broke this great fantasy is indeed heartbreaking for a SW fan like me. In the end, it leaves me with bitterness and the sour taste of another mediocre MMO, and SW really would have deserved a greater vision than the narrow human-only-storytelling Procrustes Bed you are making of it. Your vision is narrow, and reading such arrogant wording like Mr. Erickson ("we know better that people can't relate to freak characters") just shows me you have zero humility towards the IP and you have that same arrogance which was the downfall of all your predessecors in MMOs.

Fine. Have it your way. But your way of making Star Wars isn't mine.

 

I am sure sungodra is having champaigne now.

 Ok, now that you have come to the realization that this isn't the game for you , are you going to continue to make these posts about how you don't like the direction of it?

 

It isn't an SWG2 that is for sure, but most of us are happy about that. At least I am. I want something different.

First, he didn't even claim anything about SWG2 or SWG in the first place.

Secondly, who is "most of us"? Do you have the name and exact percentage of all the gamers in the world in order to determine who "most of us" is? I thought not.

sungodra

Originally posted by Czanrei

Originally posted by sungodra

Originally posted by Elikal

I wonder if you can quit a game that isn't even there yet. Quite pathetic, you may say. And yes, you can have my stuff... wait. There isn't yet any there.

Be that as it is, I need this as a sort of spiritual hygene. I feel I need to wash myself of the dirt, ash from flaming and other less than healthy substances my mind has caught while dealing with TOR.

You know, I am a Star Wars fan as long as SW exists. And yes, while we all have our different approaches and we all love different things about Star Wars, I always felt, what made our fandom great was, everyone could be who or what he wanted. We didn't have any prejudices against anyone's personal approach to Star Wars. For me, SW, as in contrast to Star Trek, always mean a vast galaxy, tens of thousands of worlds and intelligent species, an endless plethora of really different settings. Not like Trek, where essentially all aliens are humans with odd ears or foreheads and all cultures are just a copy of some earth historical cultre. No, SW was dirty, diverse and dark.

SWTOR is none of it. It's bright coloured like WOW in space, it's narrow and streamlined at every possible way. Now for two years I tried to fight for a better SWTOR. And while sure not every single wish can be manifested, I am just DONE with the arrogance of the developers and the arrogance of the fans. There comes a time and point when you realize, this game is not for you and never will. It is a sort of a heartbreaking realization for me, since SW is my greatest fandom for 25 years, and I dived into the depths of everything SW for a long time. I feel sort of like the old Jolee Bindo, when he was asked why he left the Jedi Order, and Jolee answered: "It left me." And so it is with TOR. SWTOR developed into some beast, I don't feel at home anymore.

The list of things TOR does NOT have did grow considerably faster than the list of things we know we CAN do. It's like cutting a dream away, slice by slice, until there is nothing left by the shell of a SW game. I am too tired to go into all the details. The cuts and limitations have been discussed enough, and after 4-5 years of MMOs with broken promises, of ignoring their fans and endlessly making us wait for the "all made nice miracle patch", I am just tired and worn out. I trusted game companies time and again, always buying the games with the hope they will make it better later. They never did. They took the money and essentially ran off with it. In every single case of the last MMORPGs published the last few years, and I can't take that sort of disappointment anymore. Not in Star Wars.

 

So I am taking my leave from this game. I won't but it. You, Bioware, have cut down the great dream of Star Wars and narrowed it to the one strength you undeniably have: storytelling. And for me, that is just not good enough. You never should have decided to make a MMO in the first place, because in my very personal opinion, you have no clue what makes a MMO. What you are doing is the same Cryptic did with Champions and STO. You know the IP hype alone with pay via the box sales, give or take a few lifetimers and some months keeping people with promises, and then you have your share. Star Wars doesn't mean heck to you, and I am sorry to say, you never ever should have gotten that IP into your hands. Seeing how you broke this great fantasy is indeed heartbreaking for a SW fan like me. In the end, it leaves me with bitterness and the sour taste of another mediocre MMO, and SW really would have deserved a greater vision than the narrow human-only-storytelling Procrustes Bed you are making of it. Your vision is narrow, and reading such arrogant wording like Mr. Erickson ("we know better that people can't relate to freak characters") just shows me you have zero humility towards the IP and you have that same arrogance which was the downfall of all your predessecors in MMOs.

Fine. Have it your way. But your way of making Star Wars isn't mine.

 

I am sure sungodra is having champaigne now.

 Ok, now that you have come to the realization that this isn't the game for you , are you going to continue to make these posts about how you don't like the direction of it?

 

It isn't an SWG2 that is for sure, but most of us are happy about that. At least I am. I want something different.

First, he didn't even claim anything about SWG2 or SWG in the first place.

Secondly, who is "most of us"? Do you have the name and exact percentage of all the gamers in the world in order to determine who "most of us" is? I thought not.

 All you have to do is look at the most populated or popular games to see who "most of us" are...   

 

I know the OP from all of his posts, I know he was hoping for something along the lines of SWG, sandbox like experience.

 

You come off like you are trying to scold me, but your lack of knowledge here just makes you look silly.

 

Further more , if we went by the people on this site or the alot of the niche forum goers here. Games like EVE would have run of the genre, but most people dislike that game. Only a niche group of people play it, it takes an aquired taste for people to see the beauty in that game.

Xondar123

Wow OP, you made a whole bunch of gigantic assumptions about a game that hasn't even been released yet.

"it's narrow and streamlined at every possible way."

How do you know this? Define "narrow," define "streamlined."

"The list of things TOR does NOT have did grow considerably faster than the list of things we know we CAN do."

And what were you expecting TOR to have that was announced it didn't have? Are you another of those disgruntled SWG vets who was hoping TOR would be the second coming of pre-NGE? "TOR, you were supposed to be the chosen one!!!"

"What you are doing is the same Cryptic did with Champions and STO."

Seriously? TOR seems so far away from STO or CO it isn't even funny. Has Boiware announced only 50 players per instance all of a sudden? No. How many planets will there be in TOR? 14 that we know of? That's a far cry from the one shoebox on one planet for STO.

OP, I think you need to stop listening to all the wild rumours, i.e. "the entire game is instanced!" "planets will be tiny!" etc. and pay attention to the real info being released.

Philby

If the choice is SWG 2 or WOW In Space. I will go with WOW in space. SWG never was what some remember it to be, whereas WOW quality is something to aspire to.  The game is going to have a lot of familiar elements, after alll its an MMO and some things are required to make it work, hopefully it will be the good elements of what went before and not a rehash of the same tired, failed formula we have seen so much of lately. Nobody is more skeptical than myself about upcoming mmo's but hype and trash talk about unreleased games all go in the same trash can while I wait. Thinking for oneself isnt too popular on this site bt some of us insist on doing so.

Anubisan

Originally posted by Elikal

And while sure not every single wish can be manifested, I am just DONE with the arrogance of the developers and the arrogance of the fans. There comes a time and point when you realize, this game is not for you and never will.

Speaking of arrogance, was it not arrogant of you to think that you could change the direction of the game's development even though the majority were not in agreement witn your views? It was honestly a hopeless endeavor for you to attempt to make this game into something it was never goign to be. I'm glad you finally realized this. Based on almost every single post you have made regarding this game, it was quite clear you wouldn't be satisfied unless the game was basically SWG2. As I have said many times now, it will never be what you want it to be. Maybe now you can stop with the constant threads of negativity towards the game?

The list of things TOR does NOT have did grow considerably faster than the list of things we know we CAN do. It's like cutting a dream away, slice by slice, until there is nothing left by the shell of a SW game. I am too tired to go into all the details. The cuts and limitations have been discussed enough, and after 4-5 years of MMOs with broken promises, of ignoring their fans and endlessly making us wait for the "all made nice miracle patch", I am just tired and worn out.

Bioware never promised you the sandbox game you deluded yourself into thinking they were going to deliver. They only promised a Bioware style RPG in MMO form... which is exactly what they are delivering. You have only yourself to blame for ever expecting something beyond that. What in the history of Bioware could possibly have made you think they would go the sandbox route with ANYTHING in this game? Seriously... It is one thing to trust that Bioware will deliver a Bioware-style game... but to somehow cling to the futile hope that they will deliver something entirely different is borderline insanity.

So I am taking my leave from this game. I won't but it. You, Bioware, have cut down the great dream of Star Wars and narrowed it to the one strength you undeniably have: storytelling. And for me, that is just not good enough. You never should have decided to make a MMO in the first place, because in my very personal opinion, you have no clue what makes a MMO.

It is probably better for your personal mental health that you do take your leave. You obviously have problems facing reality and I think hanging around here with some delusional hope that Bioware will suddenly completely alter the direction of the game's development will only further your apparent mental instability.

What you are doing is the same Cryptic did with Champions and STO. You know the IP hype alone with pay via the box sales, give or take a few lifetimers and some months keeping people with promises, and then you have your share. Star Wars doesn't mean heck to you, and I am sorry to say, you never ever should have gotten that IP into your hands.

I honestly can't disagree with you more. Bioware is as far from Cryptic in terms of quality as you can possibly get. The two companies don't even belong in the same sentence. I think Bioware's view of the Star Wars universe was the most refreshing one to come to the IP in years and I can honestly say I enjoyed the story in KOTOR more than any of the new movies.

Fine. Have it your way. But your way of making Star Wars isn't mine.

Good. I sincerely hope this will be the last of your ranting posts regarding this game. However, I still have my doubts that will be the case.

Drachasor

That is about the most outrageous and unfounded mischaracterization of Star Trek I have ever read!  I seethe with anger!  I burn with fury!  I boil with indignation!  I simmer with discontent!

Hmm, didn't end that as strongly as I would have liked.

Beyond the whole force thing, I'd say the biggest difference between good Star Trek and good Star Wars is that the former was most often about figuring out a moral quandry and thought, and the latter is more about action.  Granted Star Wars does have a moral component, but ethics is treated very differently in the two IPs, generally speaking.

The Federation keeps their ships clean, most of the time, but beyond that Star Trek does have grimy and dirty areas and far more non-humanoid aliens that Star Wars does (heck, hard to name 5 non-humanoid sentients in Star Wars, whereas it is pretty easy in Trek).

Drachasor

Originally posted by Philby

If the choice is SWG 2 or WOW In Space. I will go with WOW in space. SWG never was what some remember it to be, whereas WOW quality is something to aspire to.  The game is going to have a lot of familiar elements, after alll its an MMO and some things are required to make it work, hopefully it will be the good elements of what went before and not a rehash of the same tired, failed formula we have seen so much of lately. Nobody is more skeptical than myself about upcoming mmo's but hype and trash talk about unreleased games all go in the same trash can while I wait. Thinking for oneself isnt too popular on this site bt some of us insist on doing so.

And that said, TOR is NOT a WoW clone.  There are no heal bots, the story is interactive, the devs have said there are things to explore (e.g. they've said it is more sandboxy), and there are numerous other differences.  Though, to be fair, it is more like WoW than SWG from a game perspective (as opposed to IP), but that's not saying much.

Sovrath

Originally posted by Anubisan

Originally posted by Elikal

And while sure not every single wish can be manifested, I am just DONE with the arrogance of the developers and the arrogance of the fans. There comes a time and point when you realize, this game is not for you and never will.

Speaking of arrogance, was it not arrogant of you to think that you could change the direction of the game's development even though the majority were not in agreement witn your views? It was honestly a hopeless endeavor for you to attempt to make this game into something it was never goign to be. I'm glad you finally realized this. Based on almost every single post you have made regarding this game, it was quite clear you wouldn't be satisfied unless the game was basically SWG2. As I have said many times now, it will never be what you want it to be. Maybe now you can stop with the constant threads of negativity towards the game?

The list of things TOR does NOT have did grow considerably faster than the list of things we know we CAN do. It's like cutting a dream away, slice by slice, until there is nothing left by the shell of a SW game. I am too tired to go into all the details. The cuts and limitations have been discussed enough, and after 4-5 years of MMOs with broken promises, of ignoring their fans and endlessly making us wait for the "all made nice miracle patch", I am just tired and worn out.

Bioware never promised you the sandbox game you deluded yourself into thinking they were going to deliver. They only promised a Bioware style RPG in MMO form... which is exactly what they are delivering. You have only yourself to blame for ever expecting something beyond that. What in the history of Bioware could possibly have made you think they would go the sandbox route with ANYTHING in this game? Seriously... It is one thing to trust that Bioware will deliver a Bioware-style game... but to somehow cling to the futile hope that they will deliver something entirely different is borderline insanity.

So I am taking my leave from this game. I won't but it. You, Bioware, have cut down the great dream of Star Wars and narrowed it to the one strength you undeniably have: storytelling. And for me, that is just not good enough. You never should have decided to make a MMO in the first place, because in my very personal opinion, you have no clue what makes a MMO.

It is probably better for your personal mental health that you do take your leave. You obviously have problems facing reality and I think hanging around here with some delusional hope that Bioware will suddenly completely alter the direction of the game's development will only further your apparent mental instability.

What you are doing is the same Cryptic did with Champions and STO. You know the IP hype alone with pay via the box sales, give or take a few lifetimers and some months keeping people with promises, and then you have your share. Star Wars doesn't mean heck to you, and I am sorry to say, you never ever should have gotten that IP into your hands.

I honestly can't disagree with you more. Bioware is as far from Cryptic in terms of quality as you can possibly get. The two companies don't even belong in the same sentence. I think Bioware's view of the Star Wars universe was the most refreshing one to come to the IP in years and I can honestly say I enjoyed the story in KOTOR more than any of the new movies.

Fine. Have it your way. But your way of making Star Wars isn't mine.

Good. I sincerely hope this will be the last of your ranting posts regarding this game. However, I still have my doubts that will be the case.

I have to agree with Anubisan.

 

Elikal,

This is the umpteenth post you have made where I thought you were giving up this game for good. I think I even asked you straight out if you were going to continue with the game or bow out gracefully.

However, I will propose this to you. Instead of making comparisons to what you want why don't you completely let it go. Completely.

Let it go.

then, when the game launches, just play it for what it is, not for what you want or hope it will be. Just take it "as is".

I find that this works very well with people so why not a "game".

pmaura

after this entire rant of the OP there wasnt one critism of the game, not once specific thing, nothing but vague inuendos.

 

The developers response on space combat is classic, he refers to the time han solo and chewy decided to jump in the millenium falcon and go dick around some where maybe like a littel asteroid and mine.

Emoqqboy

Originally posted by Czanrei

Originally posted by sungodra

Originally posted by Elikal

I wonder if you can quit a game that isn't even there yet. Quite pathetic, you may say. And yes, you can have my stuff... wait. There isn't yet any there.

Be that as it is, I need this as a sort of spiritual hygene. I feel I need to wash myself of the dirt, ash from flaming and other less than healthy substances my mind has caught while dealing with TOR.

You know, I am a Star Wars fan as long as SW exists. And yes, while we all have our different approaches and we all love different things about Star Wars, I always felt, what made our fandom great was, everyone could be who or what he wanted. We didn't have any prejudices against anyone's personal approach to Star Wars. For me, SW, as in contrast to Star Trek, always mean a vast galaxy, tens of thousands of worlds and intelligent species, an endless plethora of really different settings. Not like Trek, where essentially all aliens are humans with odd ears or foreheads and all cultures are just a copy of some earth historical cultre. No, SW was dirty, diverse and dark.

SWTOR is none of it. It's bright coloured like WOW in space, it's narrow and streamlined at every possible way. Now for two years I tried to fight for a better SWTOR. And while sure not every single wish can be manifested, I am just DONE with the arrogance of the developers and the arrogance of the fans. There comes a time and point when you realize, this game is not for you and never will. It is a sort of a heartbreaking realization for me, since SW is my greatest fandom for 25 years, and I dived into the depths of everything SW for a long time. I feel sort of like the old Jolee Bindo, when he was asked why he left the Jedi Order, and Jolee answered: "It left me." And so it is with TOR. SWTOR developed into some beast, I don't feel at home anymore.

The list of things TOR does NOT have did grow considerably faster than the list of things we know we CAN do. It's like cutting a dream away, slice by slice, until there is nothing left by the shell of a SW game. I am too tired to go into all the details. The cuts and limitations have been discussed enough, and after 4-5 years of MMOs with broken promises, of ignoring their fans and endlessly making us wait for the "all made nice miracle patch", I am just tired and worn out. I trusted game companies time and again, always buying the games with the hope they will make it better later. They never did. They took the money and essentially ran off with it. In every single case of the last MMORPGs published the last few years, and I can't take that sort of disappointment anymore. Not in Star Wars.

 

So I am taking my leave from this game. I won't but it. You, Bioware, have cut down the great dream of Star Wars and narrowed it to the one strength you undeniably have: storytelling. And for me, that is just not good enough. You never should have decided to make a MMO in the first place, because in my very personal opinion, you have no clue what makes a MMO. What you are doing is the same Cryptic did with Champions and STO. You know the IP hype alone with pay via the box sales, give or take a few lifetimers and some months keeping people with promises, and then you have your share. Star Wars doesn't mean heck to you, and I am sorry to say, you never ever should have gotten that IP into your hands. Seeing how you broke this great fantasy is indeed heartbreaking for a SW fan like me. In the end, it leaves me with bitterness and the sour taste of another mediocre MMO, and SW really would have deserved a greater vision than the narrow human-only-storytelling Procrustes Bed you are making of it. Your vision is narrow, and reading such arrogant wording like Mr. Erickson ("we know better that people can't relate to freak characters") just shows me you have zero humility towards the IP and you have that same arrogance which was the downfall of all your predessecors in MMOs.

Fine. Have it your way. But your way of making Star Wars isn't mine.

 

I am sure sungodra is having champaigne now.

 Ok, now that you have come to the realization that this isn't the game for you , are you going to continue to make these posts about how you don't like the direction of it?

 

It isn't an SWG2 that is for sure, but most of us are happy about that. At least I am. I want something different.

First, he didn't even claim anything about SWG2 or SWG in the first place.

Secondly, who is "most of us"? Do you have the name and exact percentage of all the gamers in the world in order to determine who "most of us" is? I thought not.

 The MMO genre can be simply divided into 2 portions. Those that play WoW and then there is the rest = "most of us" lol