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  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441

    Originally posted by BlahTeeb

    There was said to be a cooldown for switching worlds. Whether that is days or weeks, we do not yet know.

    Yeah, no need to worry about a thing like that yet.

    And even if there will be some world jumpers do I believe that a server will feel a bit like a large guild, you know people there and changing is not something most people will do without a good reason.

  • RobertDinhRobertDinh Member Posts: 647
    Originally posted by arenasb

    You've played GW pvp at a high level eh Robert? Do you mind telling me what guild you were with? What team did you have? What position did you end up in ladder play? You may or may not have valid points but saying you have played high level pvp is easy to do. I just want to see if you have any credibility in this regard. What other mmos have you participated in high level competitive pvp? I will assume WoW. If so, what character, realm, and season did you participate? What rank in either game did you get? If you have really played competitive pvp at the highest level then it will be easy to prove and lend a lot more weight to what you say.

     

    Of course it is easy to prove, but the question is why is it you are so biased about a game that you do not concern yourself with whether points are valid or not but instead based upon your arbitrary sense of logic.

    If you are incapable of looking at aspects of gw2 objectively, whether you magically agree or not based on my credentials would be irrelevant because the reasoning behind it would be poor. You can either understand things from an objective point of view or you can't.
  • MAnalogMAnalog Member Posts: 86

    I'm sure I'm repeating someone's comments at this point in the thread but, I'd expect this to be like Guild Wars 2.

    On a side note. Does anyone else find it strange that ArenaNet is making a game with some features similar to WAR and DAoC while BioWare (EAMythic) is not explicitly adding PvP or public quests as a feature? I understand the Dev's joined forces in midstream of development but, I just found that kinda funny.

  • Sid_ViciousSid_Vicious Member RarePosts: 2,177

    To answer your question: no.

     

    I did not play it at launch and played games that came out much later before even trying it so it has always felt more outdated to me. There are things about it that I like and dont like but overall it is a great game. Too different than GW for me to ever think that GW2 could be a replacement.

     

    I doubt that GW2 will ever match up to something that I would play for roaming PVP for years. That would be really cool if it did. So far it has been a great sidegame for instant action of instanced whatever. I like having to create and experiment with different builds to win.

     

    I will play something else to satisfy my need for roaming PVP, more meaningful or risky PVP (dont risk anything by dying in GW), no rock, paper, scissors PVP, etc.

     

    I expect Guild Wars 2 to be a great game for someone to play on the side . .. anything more will be a bonus but I am only expecting a side game. Getting my Guild Wars fix is easy and can take as little as 10 minutes but many times those 10 minutes turn into 2 hours because me team keeps winning or something.

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  • SuperXero89SuperXero89 Member UncommonPosts: 2,551

    Great, this game is getting hyped so much that now, for some reason, people are thinking this is going to be the next Dark Age of Camelot.  In a couple of months, we're going to have people proclaiming the second coming of Jesus Christ will coincide with the game's midnight release.

  • RobertDinhRobertDinh Member Posts: 647
    Originally posted by Sid_Vicious

    To answer your question: no.
     
    I did not play it at launch and played games that came out much later before even trying it so it has always felt more outdated to me. There are things about it that I like and dont like but overall it is a great game. Too different than GW for me to ever think that GW2 could be a replacement.
     
    I doubt that GW2 will ever match up to something that I would play for roaming PVP for years. That would be really cool if it did. So far it has been a great sidegame for instant action of instanced whatever. I like having to create and experiment with different builds to win.
     
    I will play something else to satisfy my need for roaming PVP, more meaningful or risky PVP (dont risk anything by dying in GW), no rock, paper, scissors PVP, etc.
     
    I expect Guild Wars 2 to be a great game for someone to play on the side . .. anything more will be a bonus but I am only expecting a side game. Getting my Guild Wars fix is easy and can take as little as 10 minutes but many times those 10 minutes turn into 2 hours because me team keeps winning or something.

     

    I agree, the mediocre-friendly death system really ruins any of the pvp in the game outside of possibly their arena pvp, but the limited skill bar and lack of depth because of it hinders that.
  • MMO.MaverickMMO.Maverick Member CommonPosts: 7,619

    Originally posted by SuperXero89

    Great, this game is getting hyped so much that now, for some reason, people are thinking this is going to be the next Dark Age of Camelot.  In a couple of months, we're going to have people proclaiming the second coming of Jesus Christ will coincide with the game's midnight release.

     That "for some reason" is probably the three-sides realm PvP that is being mentioned, or World vs World PvP that will be in GW2.

    For the rest, besides that I don't think many people think that GW2 will be like DAoC and certainly don't think that GW2 nor DAoC is on the level of the second coming J. Christ; besides the RvR I certainly didn't think of DAoC as being that miraculous.

     

    The OP was merely asking a pretty neutral question about people's expectations. GW2 will be GW2, its own game and identity.

     

     

     

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  • djazzydjazzy Member Posts: 3,578

    Originally posted by RobertDinh

    Originally posted by arenasb

    You've played GW pvp at a high level eh Robert? Do you mind telling me what guild you were with? What team did you have? What position did you end up in ladder play? You may or may not have valid points but saying you have played high level pvp is easy to do. I just want to see if you have any credibility in this regard. What other mmos have you participated in high level competitive pvp? I will assume WoW. If so, what character, realm, and season did you participate? What rank in either game did you get? If you have really played competitive pvp at the highest level then it will be easy to prove and lend a lot more weight to what you say.

     

    Of course it is easy to prove, but the question is why is it you are so biased about a game that you do not concern yourself with whether points are valid or not but instead based upon your arbitrary sense of logic. If you are incapable of looking at aspects of gw2 objectively, whether you magically agree or not based on my credentials would be irrelevant because the reasoning behind it would be poor. You can either understand things from an objective point of view or you can't.

     Circular reasoning again. I think I found my answer though, no you have not. Therefore your view on high level competitive pvp is pretty much invalidated.

  • Sid_ViciousSid_Vicious Member RarePosts: 2,177

    What is so great about Guildwars is that it does not have a sub too so while surfing through other games I can always go back to it while I do the P2P more one at a time. It will definitely be worth its money. I put in a lot of hours having fun in the first one right from the beginning and have always been able to jump in casually. You could easily play both DAOC and GW instead of how often the average joe watches TV and have a lot of fun. Of course you would have to spend more time in DAOC because you cannot start out at the highest level.

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  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441

    Originally posted by SuperXero89

    Great, this game is getting hyped so much that now, for some reason, people are thinking this is going to be the next Dark Age of Camelot.  In a couple of months, we're going to have people proclaiming the second coming of Jesus Christ will coincide with the game's midnight release.

    DaoC never had that many players, GW had a lot more... It was brilliant in it's own way of course but I don't ANET would want a new DaoC. 

    But people don't really expect that it will be a new DaoC, just that it will deliver good RvR, something WAR and many others have failed with.

    That is not the same as the second coming of Jesus, for one thing did DaoC really exist and still does so a second game like that is not impossible. JC might have existed (evidence are inconclusive) but I give the odds of a second coming less likely than that all the worlds politicians would suddenly would stop lying at the same time. 

  • Shoko_LiedShoko_Lied Member UncommonPosts: 2,193

    Originally posted by SuperXero89

    Great, this game is getting hyped so much that now, for some reason, people are thinking this is going to be the next Dark Age of Camelot.  In a couple of months, we're going to have people proclaiming the second coming of Jesus Christ will coincide with the game's midnight release.

    I almost laughed at how far off your interpretation of this thread was. But I didn't.

  • RobertDinhRobertDinh Member Posts: 647
    Originally posted by arenasb


    Originally posted by RobertDinh


    Originally posted by arenasb

    You've played GW pvp at a high level eh Robert? Do you mind telling me what guild you were with? What team did you have? What position did you end up in ladder play? You may or may not have valid points but saying you have played high level pvp is easy to do. I just want to see if you have any credibility in this regard. What other mmos have you participated in high level competitive pvp? I will assume WoW. If so, what character, realm, and season did you participate? What rank in either game did you get? If you have really played competitive pvp at the highest level then it will be easy to prove and lend a lot more weight to what you say.

     

    Of course it is easy to prove, but the question is why is it you are so biased about a game that you do not concern yourself with whether points are valid or not but instead based upon your arbitrary sense of logic. If you are incapable of looking at aspects of gw2 objectively, whether you magically agree or not based on my credentials would be irrelevant because the reasoning behind it would be poor. You can either understand things from an objective point of view or you can't.

     Circular reasoning again. I think I found my answer though, no you have not. Therefore your view on high level competitive pvp is pretty much invalidated.

     

    There is no circular reasoning there, that is just a flawed accusation that you try to apply to justify your own stance in your own mind, even when it doesn't apply. As I said before, from your arbitrary sense of logic people have to give into your demands before you begin to actually look at things "objectively" which is flawed because you should always look at things objectively, there shouldn't be any sort of weird check list in your mind that people have to satisfy before you go from irrational thought to rational thought.
  • PalebanePalebane Member RarePosts: 4,011

    Originally posted by SuperXero89

    Great, this game is getting hyped so much that now, for some reason, people are thinking this is going to be the next Dark Age of Camelot.  In a couple of months, we're going to have people proclaiming the second coming of Jesus Christ will coincide with the game's midnight release.

    December 21st  2012?

    Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.

  • dinamsdinams Member Posts: 1,362

    Originally posted by Palebane

    Originally posted by SuperXero89

    Great, this game is getting hyped so much that now, for some reason, people are thinking this is going to be the next Dark Age of Camelot.  In a couple of months, we're going to have people proclaiming the second coming of Jesus Christ will coincide with the game's midnight release.

    December 21st  2012?

    No, I cant wait this long.

    May the end of the world be in april 2011 then xD

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  • thecrapthecrap Member Posts: 433

    I'm thinking if diablo 3 gets released before this I'ma going to have to stick with diablo 3 so its first come first buy

  • srsh12345srsh12345 Member Posts: 61

    Originally posted by thecrap

    I'm thinking if diablo 3 gets released before this I'ma going to have to stick with diablo 3 so its first come first buy

     

    Nothing wrong with that.  I've been through quite a few MMO that were rushed out to beat out something from Blizzard & then everyone is basically paying to play beta & the game loses in the long run because pissed off players flood the forums on how much the game sucks.

     

    I hate waiting but being burned by lots of MMO, I'm willing to wait for GW2.  If Diablo 3 comes out first, I'll jump on Diablo 3 also but GW2 has no subscription fee, so I woudn't mind picking up GW2 before I'm done w/ Diablo 3.

  • AKASlaphappyAKASlaphappy Member UncommonPosts: 800

    Originally posted by RobertDinh

    Originally posted by arenasb

    You've played GW pvp at a high level eh Robert? Do you mind telling me what guild you were with? What team did you have? What position did you end up in ladder play? You may or may not have valid points but saying you have played high level pvp is easy to do. I just want to see if you have any credibility in this regard. What other mmos have you participated in high level competitive pvp? I will assume WoW. If so, what character, realm, and season did you participate? What rank in either game did you get? If you have really played competitive pvp at the highest level then it will be easy to prove and lend a lot more weight to what you say.

     

    Of course it is easy to prove, but the question is why is it you are so biased about a game that you do not concern yourself with whether points are valid or not but instead based upon your arbitrary sense of logic. If you are incapable of looking at aspects of gw2 objectively, whether you magically agree or not based on my credentials would be irrelevant because the reasoning behind it would be poor. You can either understand things from an objective point of view or you can't.

     


    Let me say that I do not make personal attacks on forums; I might use sarcasm some times in an attempt to help people that sound foolish to me. But I do not try to personally insult them or be cruel to them in any way, since this is about a game that in the end has as no real significance to life. But after reading these forums for the last two weeks I have to say you really need to take a humility pill. All your posts you talk about how you are more objective then everyone else, or that you are so much better than most people at PVP (like this somehow makes you special). And because of this your opinion matters more than anyone else and you go out of your way to try and prove just that.  Oh and if anyone else does not agree with you it is because they do not have your experience and skill at playing hard core PVP or are not as objective as you are. 


    Dude you really need to get over yourself, let me tell you no one else cares! You are just making yourself look like the biggest self obsessed idiot on this planet. This is a fact of life you need to learn; no one cares how logical or skilled you are when you use that to try and make them look stupid or less significant then you. My advice is to go out and live life and then come back when your ego is not the size of an elephant.  


     


    P.S. If you read this do not bother replying I will not read it, my life will go on just find without the advice from the most logical or skilled PVP player on this board.

  • NightAngellNightAngell Member Posts: 566
    Originally posted by SuperXero89

    Great, this game is getting hyped so much that now, for some reason, people are thinking this is going to be the next Dark Age of Camelot.  In a couple of months, we're going to have people proclaiming the second coming of Jesus Christ will coincide with the game's midnight release.

     

    Well, it can never be the second coming of Jesus Christ because contrary to belief their has never been a first coming of Jesus Christ. As a matter of fact their has never been anyone called Jesus Christ, that name was made up by paraniod european fanatics.

    As for GW2 being the next DAOC, no i don't think it will be. What it will be is a game that captures that feeling of team work and companionship and pride in your server. Battles fought and won with like minded players who are fighting along side you for the good of all on their server and not that uber PVP weapon with the wtf pawn stats.
  • RobertDinhRobertDinh Member Posts: 647

    Originally posted by AKASlaphappy

    Originally posted by RobertDinh


    Originally posted by arenasb

    You've played GW pvp at a high level eh Robert? Do you mind telling me what guild you were with? What team did you have? What position did you end up in ladder play? You may or may not have valid points but saying you have played high level pvp is easy to do. I just want to see if you have any credibility in this regard. What other mmos have you participated in high level competitive pvp? I will assume WoW. If so, what character, realm, and season did you participate? What rank in either game did you get? If you have really played competitive pvp at the highest level then it will be easy to prove and lend a lot more weight to what you say.

     

    Of course it is easy to prove, but the question is why is it you are so biased about a game that you do not concern yourself with whether points are valid or not but instead based upon your arbitrary sense of logic. If you are incapable of looking at aspects of gw2 objectively, whether you magically agree or not based on my credentials would be irrelevant because the reasoning behind it would be poor. You can either understand things from an objective point of view or you can't.

     


    Let me say that I do not make personal attacks on forums; I might use sarcasm some times in an attempt to help people that sound foolish to me. But I do not try to personally insult them or be cruel to them in any way, since this is about a game that in the end has as no real significance to life. But after reading these forums for the last two weeks I have to say you really need to take a humility pill. All your posts you talk about how you are more objective then everyone else, or that you are so much better than most people at PVP (like this somehow makes you special). And because of this your opinion matters more than anyone else and you go out of your way to try and prove just that.  Oh and if anyone else does not agree with you it is because they do not have your experience and skill at playing hard core PVP or are not as objective as you are. 


    Dude you really need to get over yourself, let me tell you no one else cares! You are just making yourself look like the biggest self obsessed idiot on this planet. This is a fact of life you need to learn; no one cares how logical or skilled you are when you use that to try and make them look stupid or less significant then you. My advice is to go out and live life and then come back when your ego is not the size of an elephant.  


     


    P.S. If you read this do not bother replying I will not read it, my life will go on just find without the advice from the most logical or skilled PVP player on this board.

     

    I don't go out of my way at all.  I post here by typing on a keyboard, make my post and then move on.  Just because my perspective is different than yours doesn't mean I tried REALLY hard when i posted and you didn't.  That is just your personal bias skewing your perspective.  Anyone telling someone to go "live life" is basically the same as the whole "get a life" spiel. 

     

    A fact of life you need to learn is that the world is not ideal, people are not all born of equal intelligence and thought. 

     

    I find it silly though when someone tries to talk trash to me but then tells me not to reply.  It is very typical behavior for people on the internet to try and share their opinion but to be scared of the response.  It sort of reminds me of when you pk someone in an mmo and then he PMs you and complains, and then he puts you on block before you can respond and thinks it is some sort of victory for him.  I myself personally am confident in who I am, and am not afraid of others sharing their input or disagreeing with me. 

  • rbc13183rbc13183 Member Posts: 208

    Originally posted by NightAngell

    Originally posted by SuperXero89

    Great, this game is getting hyped so much that now, for some reason, people are thinking this is going to be the next Dark Age of Camelot.  In a couple of months, we're going to have people proclaiming the second coming of Jesus Christ will coincide with the game's midnight release.

     

    Well, it can never be the second coming of Jesus Christ because contrary to belief their has never been a first coming of Jesus Christ. As a matter of fact their has never been anyone called Jesus Christ, that name was made up by paraniod european fanatics. As for GW2 being the next DAOC, no i don't think it will be. What it will be is a game that captures that feeling of team work and companionship and pride in your server. Battles fought and won with like minded players who are fighting along side you for the good of all on their server and not that uber PVP weapon with the wtf pawn stats.

    Look, I'm not a religious person, and I have very strong, well thought out and researched reasons for my non-beliefs. Regardless, I don't think that using such religious analogies are appropriate for such a thread. This is nothing more than an offhand jab at those who do hold such beliefs, and its likely to make them feel more unwelcome, rather than encourage them to join in on the GW2 discussions. Please check that stuff at the door, or start a thread in a more appropriate forum. Thanks!

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  • RobertDinhRobertDinh Member Posts: 647

    After watching some videos from another thread it's pretty clear the game won't be like daoc.  In the demo alone the game started to lag quite badly with non pvp spell spam from a group of people.  Just imagine how bad that would be if it were actually PvP with the spells actually doing damage and of course the fact that it would be wvwvw is much larger scale than a group of demo players.

  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread Member EpicPosts: 7,254

    Originally posted by RobertDinh

    After watching some videos from another thread it's pretty clear the game won't be like daoc.  In the demo alone the game started to lag quite badly with non pvp spell spam from a group of people.  Just imagine how bad that would be if it were actually PvP with the spells actually doing damage and of course the fact that it would be wvwvw is much larger scale than a group of demo players.

    Yeah. I mean, when a game is in alpha, it should look a hell of a lot better than that crap.

  • RobertDinhRobertDinh Member Posts: 647

    Originally posted by colddog04

    Originally posted by RobertDinh

    After watching some videos from another thread it's pretty clear the game won't be like daoc.  In the demo alone the game started to lag quite badly with non pvp spell spam from a group of people.  Just imagine how bad that would be if it were actually PvP with the spells actually doing damage and of course the fact that it would be wvwvw is much larger scale than a group of demo players.

    Yeah. I mean, when a game is in alpha, it should look a hell of a lot better than that crap.

     

    I agree, when a game starts development long after the previous generation of mmos it shouldn't suffer from that kind of lag when just a group of non pvp players cast spells, let alone if it plans to be ambitious with large scale pvp.  Btw alpha and beta are relative to each individual company, gw2 is hardly in alpha by realistic standards.  If it were there would be no gameplay demo.  If anything it's in a beta phase 1 or something similar to that. 

  • miraihimemiraihime Member Posts: 55


    Originally posted by rbc13183

    Originally posted by NightAngell

    Originally posted by SuperXero89
    Great, this game is getting hyped so much that now, for some reason, people are thinking this is going to be the next Dark Age of Camelot.  In a couple of months, we're going to have people proclaiming the second coming of Jesus Christ will coincide with the game's midnight release.
     
    Well, it can never be the second coming of Jesus Christ because contrary to belief their has never been a first coming of Jesus Christ. As a matter of fact their has never been anyone called Jesus Christ, that name was made up by paraniod european fanatics. As for GW2 being the next DAOC, no i don't think it will be. What it will be is a game that captures that feeling of team work and companionship and pride in your server. Battles fought and won with like minded players who are fighting along side you for the good of all on their server and not that uber PVP weapon with the wtf pawn stats.


    Oh dear...you made me laugh. XD I don't even understand what it has to do with gw2 and why the * you brought it up, but if you really feel the need to talk about it i'm sure you can find tons of relegious websites out there....go. have fun. leave the poor gw2 forums alone. (yes....i am talking to both of you)

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  • NightAngellNightAngell Member Posts: 566
    Originally posted by rbc13183


    Originally posted by NightAngell


    Originally posted by SuperXero89

    Great, this game is getting hyped so much that now, for some reason, people are thinking this is going to be the next Dark Age of Camelot.  In a couple of months, we're going to have people proclaiming the second coming of Jesus Christ will coincide with the game's midnight release.

     

    Well, it can never be the second coming of Jesus Christ because contrary to belief their has never been a first coming of Jesus Christ. As a matter of fact their has never been anyone called Jesus Christ, that name was made up by paraniod european fanatics. As for GW2 being the next DAOC, no i don't think it will be. What it will be is a game that captures that feeling of team work and companionship and pride in your server. Battles fought and won with like minded players who are fighting along side you for the good of all on their server and not that uber PVP weapon with the wtf pawn stats.

    Look, I'm not a religious person, and I have very strong, well thought out and researched reasons for my non-beliefs. Regardless, I don't think that using such religious analogies are appropriate for such a thread. This is nothing more than an offhand jab at those who do hold such beliefs, and its likely to make them feel more unwelcome, rather than encourage them to join in on the GW2 discussions. Please check that stuff at the door, or start a thread in a more appropriate forum. Thanks!

     

    I don't want to derail the thread but i didn't bring the religious speel into this topic. I was not the person who likened this game to the second coming. If you have any issue with it then you need to speak to the person who did.

    I can responed in anyway i see fit as long as i am not trolling . Again ill say that GW2 can never be taken as the second coming because their has never been a first coming of anyone called Jesus Christ, that wasnt his name.

    GW2 can bring the same server pride that faction pride bought to DAOC. You notice that i am talking about GW2 and only using the Christ part as an analogie, it's nothing personal. As i said before, you should take up the issue with the person who bought the christ analogie into this thread in the first place not the person he responds with another analogie.
    Thanks!
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