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I personally find it insulting. I mean if theyre going for sex appeal they should at least make some sexy ripped male characters that are nothing like the average male. Nope. The media and entertainment industry doesnt ever use unrealistically sex appealing males to help sell their game, movie, or show.
Never. Never. Never.
If it were true that this over the top sex appeal drove women away then they wouldnt be interested in any media what so ever. Entertainment industry does it for both genders. Society says a "sexy" male is one that is strong and powerful ... so the media creates that in almost every outlet where the center of attention is a male, especially videogames. For women its different. A "sexy" female, is one that is cute, slender, and curvy so the media shows that. The only difference is, as with almost everything else in life, the average male doesnt cause any drama or try to victimize themself over b/s that doesnt even make sense. Guys dont cry in a couch eating a gallon of ice cream just because the media creates this perfect male image of a ripped rich smooth talking guy while they are broke and can barely even climb the stairs to their 3rd story efficieny.
GTFOver it!
P.S: Thats a guy from Frogster saying that, from germany no less. They dont have the same hypocritical reservations about sex as Americans.
Despite how I phrased it my argument was not specifically towards the hyper-sexualisation of women, but towards using sex to sell games in general. In retrospect I also should have posted this in the General board instead, because my gripe wasn't just with Tera but with the entire industry.
J0K3R_3D, you make a good point that men react differently to idealised portrayals of men than women do, but to say that men aren't affected by media images of the "perfect man" is wrong (not that you did say exactly that).
Personally I'd like to see a game with a less idealised portrayal of people, but perhaps that's just me, and perhaps a product like that wouldn't sell.
Also, it's relevant and worth noting that Bioware have decided to allow players to create fat male characters, but not fat female characters. I'm not implying that this is necessarily a sexist decision, but it is interesting.
P.S. I noticed the guy was German and was confused by it. Thanks for explaining.
Always read the small print.
Are you serious?
I bet you drive a hybrid and play on a Mac. I bet you ask your wife permission to even play video games.
Hmmm. You're really pushing for folks to watch that video, but fail to bother with its comments?
The most liked comment says: "I'm a woman that plays video games and I don't mind the rampant objectification in gaming. It's distracting, but I don't actually mind the half-naked women.
The problem I have with gaming is the male demographic. Even the nerds act like a lot of whining, sexist, hostile frat boys. I keep my mic turned off because I get sick of getting hit on or getting the racist and sexist commentary.? If male gamers want to see more women, they need to do some growing up."
I think that pretty much sums up a lot of the females I've played with through the years. Some of them, of course, love the attention and use it to their advantage, but that's another thing altogether...
Point is, if you really watched the video yourself, you'd note the main point the guy hit on, which is that it's not even so much the objectification of women, but that gaming itself looks like a boy's club from the outside, at least from the female perspective. When you read that comment above, well... I'm sure most of us know exactly what she means. Who hasn't wanted to slam their face to their desk while listening to some douche in vent try hitting on something with a female voice the second they join? It's emberassing, and that's just the tip of the iceberg.
At any rate, I'm like a lot of the other replies here; I'm more bothered that the run animation itself looks like shit. Forget that it shows her rear.
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That girl in the video look very underaged. that's my only problem. Kinda like dwarf females in Lineage 2, but much more sexualized.
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I have worn skirts that short before, or close to it. I think it is terrible that they actually designed the game so that she would run bent over so boys can see her skirts. That is part of the problem with society in general in its treatment of women. And besides it being incredibly misogynistic, no one runs bent over that far, that I know. It would be really hard.
To the people claiming lore reasons, no. Just no. Sure, you can justify anything with good lore, in the game, in the world, but at some point you have to come back to the real world and remember that real people made this decision. They want to advertise this to players as a feature. One person even said this was "important." They called her the "naked chick." This is not an okay design decision.
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it." Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
WTF? No subscription fee?
Stop taking it too seriously. It's obvious they did that so they could attract the younger and more immature audience. But what does a few pixels have to do with society's problems over woman? None. I totally respect everyone's opinion on the art style, I'm not very fond of it myself, and everyone's beliefs of the reasons they did it that way, but I'll say this one last time:
It's a game and should be treated as such.
You are right, those people will never play Tera aniway (and i'm happy i don't have to play with them), they only try to denigrate the game and asian art style because they have nothing better to do. When will be released those haters will disappear fortunately, you surely find them QQ in another korean game (blade & Soul maybe) about society, real humans and 3D pixels.
Fact is this game will never change design to please 4 random whiners when the community around the game is well estabilished already around the world and grow up every day.
So what? The guy doesn't get enough so he looks up his characters skirt, big deal.
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You are not the only one. I enjoy seeing an attractive female avatar with graceful animations. Tera goes way beyond that. It looks ridiculous.
I am 99.9% certain it is to justify their 3 hr grind to level 2.
My far reaching guess is that they secretly partnered with viagra and plan have to take over the senior market.
Widely accepted by whom? Those who have no sense of humor, and are sunk into terminal PC? Anyone who can't see the humor involved has larger issues than just wasting time on video games. ^^ Sex sells, always has, and likely always will.
The game is not gonna change, no matter how you asian haters QQ in this board. Move on to your next western AAA title.
It may be rated "M" for "Mature" but the nerdy upskirt-running animation is aimed at 14 year olds who never get laid. Disgusting. I'm not interested in playing this anymore.
You are right, those people will never play Tera aniway (and i'm happy i don't have to play with them), they only try to denigrate the game and asian art style because they have nothing better to do. When will be released those haters will disappear fortunately, you surely find them QQ in another korean game (blade & Soul maybe) about society, real humans and 3D pixels.
Fact is this game will never change design to please 4 random whiners when the community around the game is well estabilished already around the world and grow up every day.
You mistake my meaning, and this is a problem I see in general with people's perceptions of such things. Let me try to clarify.
I love the Asian style of art in general, and I love anime. Andin fact, most of the women in anime are strikingly attractive and usually wear short skirts. In fact, I enjoy wearing short skirts myself, as I said before. That is not at issue. I like the men carrying massive weapons, and from what I have seen, I like the combat style.
What I do not like is the way this character runs in an unbelievable manner *just* so we can see her panties. That's it. They call her the "naked chick" and they tout this as a feature. The entire point here is to show off the woman sexually. There is no other reason behind this design decision. And that is where my problem comes in. This decision was made to attract horny adolescent boys that have never seen lady parts in real life, and disregards how women, or, I hope, more understand men would feel about this. The real problem here has nothing to do with the girl in the game world, but in the decision-making process in the real world that led this to happen. It is incredibly misogynistic and defies a generation of progress for women's rights.
And more than that, that I hear you say to "grow up" with regards to this issue, I have to explain that to do this, and to like this, is incredibly immature, and shows baser desires and baser ideas of what is attractive (to clarify, panties =/ sexy. there are many more ways to make these women sexually appealing, and many animes currently do this without needing to always show underwear.)
And I can tell you, for myself, and for my girlfriends, if we see a manboy playing a game like this, or we see those posters of models on your walls, that is a strong and immediate turn off. This is not because of the woman, but because of the immaturity of the man to display it in that way. I would be willing to wager large money on the idea that most of you boys saying this is okay do not have frequent sexual contact with women in the real world. (Don't bother arguing with me on this point, we will get nowhere, you won't change my mind, and you know yourself whether this is true.)
TLDR:
It is not the art that upsets people in this case, at least me. It is the fact that the men who did this in the real world thought it was okay to make a woman run in a way no one would in order to show off the panties, and that there are people in the gaming community that think it is okay.
"It's a game" is not an okay response. This is not about the game, this is about men designing this game and believing that it is okay to do this.
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it." Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
WTF? No subscription fee?
I'm with you 100% on this one, it's both a ridiculous look for a running animation and harks back to some archaic notion that it's OK to portray women as nothing more than sex objects for the male gaze, stupid move on the developers part.
warhammer had worse on some female char.
by worse i mean running even more bent over and without the skirt.
If you don't like it, don't play it. Or play it, and choose a mail character.
Or, you could whine and cry and attack anyone who plays the game.
This is absolutely not hot, sexy or anything alike.. its just cheap. Nothing against beautiful girls in mmorpgs but this running animation doesnt turn me on at all. And what makes it even worse is that even female heavy tanks look like hookers in Tera. That is just ridicolous. I really dont have problems with female characters displaying skin but not if they are wearing an armor which is supposed to protect them. It feels ridicolous then.
I gonna link to a picture of gw2 female characters just to clarify what I mean:
No.5 is totally haaawt and No.2 is short before ridicolous and the most I can accept for heavy armored female chars. The char in the centre is what I want my female warriors to look like
Congratulations, that is called difference between western art and eastern art, want a cookie?
I agree. I am a grown mature woman and I play female chars. I saw the same thing in Lineage 2 and said "Ok, that is so ridiculous ... let's skip this". That stupid hentai anime "Yay I can see her pants when she bends down" is making the developers deciding to do this look ... childish and laughable.
And watch that ridiculous hip swaying when she does her spell. Are you kidding me? Can I have a grown-up version instead of this prepubertarian giddy thing?
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I agree with you on this. It definitely doesn't look good to typical insecure women.
And watch that ridiculous hip swaying when she does her spell. Are you kidding me? Can I have a grown-up version instead of this prepubertarian giddy thing?
I agree with you on this. It definitely doesn't look good to typical insecure women.
Again, assuming she is insecure because she finds this offensive. That is part of the problem.
Paterah: I am not saying all men who game are like that, but the ones that gravitate to that sort of sexist objectification of women are. I am not sure why saying that is the mark of a troll, because it has been proved out time and again both with professional studies and my own experience. The most striking example so far are the people in AOC. Revolting. Which is a shame, because I love Conan.
I am not trolling, or at least not trying to. I am trying to educate young men on this idea. My mother and her mother worked hard to move society away from this. Look at those GW2 characters. Women can be gorgeous without being ONLY sex objects. I can be a sex object. Sometimes that is what I go for, but I do not run around TRYING to show people my undergarments. That is uncouth.
As for my sexual contact, you are assuming a woman that games does not have a sex life? That is a pretty broad generalisation, do you not agree? That would be if I had said all men who game are like this subset that want to see the panties. I am not going to go out of my way to prove this out for you, and I doubt you will believe me anyway, with this attitude, but I know it for truth and I think it you can accept it, it will help you. I am an attractive twenty-something. I am not a supermodel, but if I went to a disco, I could leave with a handsome man. Not least because I am a good dancer as well as a good PvPer.
Finally, this is not art style. I love the asian art style, and I do not mind their tall, thin female characters who wear short skirts. I am tall and thin and I wear short skirts. But I do not let everyone see my business, you understand. I can be attractive without showing off all the goods. It is something called decorum. I do not need to log in and see a ridiculous man (of course, this is much more rare, because men are usually the ones designing things) in a banana hammock. I get my sexual gratification in the real world, and therefore I have no need for pixels.
If you want this sort of thing, they make porn for it. Some of it is pretty good. It does not need to be in the game where it breaks my immersion by its misogyny and pure ridiculousness.
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it." Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
WTF? No subscription fee?
It is a game and there is nothing wrong with this design. Point. You are the only one that see the problem here, not all cares or have the same vision about these "movements". I see you aren't gonna to play this game aniway but find a better argoument to QQ about because this one about pixels is pretty ridiculous and redundant.
Also about "adolescents who like the skirt" or "if i like the game i'm a boy without a life" are you serious? Lol, you are the first one that have a dirty mind if you think so. You know nothing, never, if you think that pixel in a videogame have an influence in the real world you are the first one with serious problem in real life. This is the most stupid and pathetic thing i read in a forum.
So again give us a favour, if you are so bothered move to another game and stop this nonsense.