Meh. Get back to me when you've got a real review instead of a bunch of unqualified public opinion from people who aren't currently busy enjoying their head start event.
Basically, Final Fantasy XIV is a niche game. We knew this from the start. Just because there's a bunch of knuckleheads bashing their heads into it and saying, "OW! I'M NOT PART OF THE INTENDED NICHE! THIS GAME SUCKS!" doesn't mean that the game isn't excellent at the niche it was intended for.
Totally agree with you. I wrote this post to actually try to clarify for myself who this niche audience was. People thought it might be Asians or Japanese people in general, but I'm honestly starting to believe it's more (or less) than that.
Maybe PS3 gamers, or die-hard FF fans, but looking at all the Japanese site's I've seen it definitely isn't separated culturally.
well, they kind of dove into uncharted waters. They did say they were going to try and 'western-ise" FF XIV more than IX was, so its not surprising its turning off folks in the east.
From what I hear SE is pretty hard headed, I dont expect them to make many drastic changes in their direction. In testing it took a crusade of people writing countless pages of complaints on certain things to get them to address issues. Hopefully they'll keep their heads out of the sand and address their game because I agree, its not being recieved well.
So the moral of the story is; people are fickle and will do what ever is popular. Whether that be FFXIV bashing or WoW loving/hating. The only real way of measuring anything is time, because only time has the ability to judge without prejudice.
What does time have to do with it? This is just trash.
You think that the prejudice will go away because some time passed? Maybe it's the unintelligent minority that is the issue.
I used the auto-translate in Chrome, and with that I was able to pick apart pieces of the translated garble. Things like...
"this work in late September 2010 is now in alpha"
"Do not buy this game"
"The user interface is bad and frustrating to respond to anything. "
"Sure the graphics are beautiful."
"Currently, the corrections needed to play the game without stress "
"Why Square Enix Fallen so far"
"Tester's opinion largely ignored"
Any fanboys want to defend Japanese hatred at this game now? I can continue translating some if you'd like.
Whats the need to defend? people who dislike this game would try to pull as much negative reviews as they can. They need to validate their hate and feel right.
I would rather wait for professional reviews from IGN, Gamespot etc. Even if half of the players who are enjoying the game find time to post a line or two on website. positive reviews will outnumbers negative considerably. But people who are enjoying the game they are busy playing.
Why are people so concerned with the accuracy of the 500 or so polled reviews? It's 500 people saying the game is terrible. That's your community, that's your target audience. If they don't enjoy the game, you lose. It doesn't matter if 2/500 people find the game fun because the other 498 people do not. If you fail to appeal to even a quarter of the MMO community, you've failed as a company to produce something good. It's almost as if people have forgotten that "unique" doesn't mean good, it just means it stands out.
You have 498 people out of 500 that will not provide you 15$ a month. That 30$ you'll receive from the 2 that like it won't be enough to fund and expand your game, thus in the long run it's a failure and will fail. Your game is unique, but it's unique for the bad reasons. Your game can be unique because it allows extreme character customization and development or it can be unique for having more terrible cutscenes than gameplay (even if your gameplay is as terrible as the cutscenes).
I used the auto-translate in Chrome, and with that I was able to pick apart pieces of the translated garble. Things like...
"this work in late September 2010 is now in alpha"
"Do not buy this game"
"The user interface is bad and frustrating to respond to anything. "
"Sure the graphics are beautiful."
"Currently, the corrections needed to play the game without stress "
"Why Square Enix Fallen so far"
"Tester's opinion largely ignored"
Any fanboys want to defend Japanese hatred at this game now? I can continue translating some if you'd like.
Whats the need to defend? people who dislike this game would try to pull as much negative reviews as they can. They need to validate their hate and feel right.
I would rather wait for professional reviews from IGN, Gamespot etc. Even if half of the players who are enjoying the game find time to post a line or two on website. positive reviews will outnumbers negative considerably. But people who are enjoying the game they are busy playing.
You think that positive reviews will outnumber negative reviews for this game? I think you are about to be disappointed. But we'll see.
Why are people so concerned with the accuracy of the 500 or so polled reviews? It's 500 people saying the game is terrible. That's your community, that's your target audience. If they don't enjoy the game, you lose. It doesn't matter if 2/500 people find the game fun because the other 498 people do not. If you fail to appeal to even a quarter of the MMO community, you've failed as a company to produce something good. It's almost as if people have forgotten that "unique" doesn't mean good, it just means it stands out.
You have 498 people out of 500 that will not provide you 15$ a month. That 30$ you'll receive from the 2 that like it won't be enough to fund and expand your game, thus in the long run it's a failure and will fail. Your game is unique, but it's unique for the bad reasons. Your game can be unique because it allows extreme character customization and development or it can be unique for having more terrible cutscenes than gameplay (even if your gameplay is as terrible as the cutscenes).
Because its easier to dismiss the comments as those of a raving lunatic than to accept them as actual opinion.
~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!
Come Join us at www.globalequestria.com - Meet other fans of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic!
I used the auto-translate in Chrome, and with that I was able to pick apart pieces of the translated garble. Things like...
"this work in late September 2010 is now in alpha"
"Do not buy this game"
"The user interface is bad and frustrating to respond to anything. "
"Sure the graphics are beautiful."
"Currently, the corrections needed to play the game without stress "
"Why Square Enix Fallen so far"
"Tester's opinion largely ignored"
Any fanboys want to defend Japanese hatred at this game now? I can continue translating some if you'd like.
Whats the need to defend? people who dislike this game would try to pull as much negative reviews as they can. They need to validate their hate and feel right.
I would rather wait for professional reviews from IGN, Gamespot etc. Even if half of the players who are enjoying the game find time to post a line or two on website. positive reviews will outnumbers negative considerably. But people who are enjoying the game they are busy playing.
Sooo you would rather listen to people that are paid to write reviews? (not to mention maybe paid by certain gaming companies to write reviews on a positive/negative basis)
The more honest reviews are the ones by people that are experiencing the game the way an average gamer would experience it.
Really, that's just deflecting the truth with fancy words. We could subject any game with that very same sentence and in truth it would be a "valid" argument.
Allow me to explain:
Basically, World of Warcraft is a niche game. We knew this from the start. Just because there's a bunch of knuckleheads bashing their heads into it and saying, "OW! I'M NOT PART OF THE INTENDED NICHE! THIS GAME SUCKS!" doesn't mean that the game isn't excellent at the niche it was intended for.
Basically, Darkfall is a niche game. We knew this from the start. Just because there's a bunch of knuckleheads bashing their heads into it and saying, "OW! I'M NOT PART OF THE INTENDED NICHE! THIS GAME SUCKS!" doesn't mean that the game isn't excellent at the niche it was intended for.
Basically, Aion is a niche game. We knew this from the start. Just because there's a bunch of knuckleheads bashing their heads into it and saying, "OW! I'M NOT PART OF THE INTENDED NICHE! THIS GAME SUCKS!" doesn't mean that the game isn't excellent at the niche it was intended for.
Have I proved my point yet?
I hate to break it to you, Tails, but declaring something invalid and trying to prove it by repeating it three times with title substitutions doesn't prove anything. Though it might summon Betelgeuse if you're not careful.
If anything, this simple analogy works more to prove my points that each one of these games did have a niche. That each one of these games would have people who said it was a terrible game because they're not part of the intended niche. Yes, even World of Warcraft is vulnerable to this. However, each one of these games, last I checked, was still alive and well. (Although Darkfall is probably limping, given that hardcore PvP never was a particularly popular niche and they rolled the game vulnerable to exploits.)
I used the auto-translate in Chrome, and with that I was able to pick apart pieces of the translated garble. Things like...
"this work in late September 2010 is now in alpha"
"Do not buy this game"
"The user interface is bad and frustrating to respond to anything. "
"Sure the graphics are beautiful."
"Currently, the corrections needed to play the game without stress "
"Why Square Enix Fallen so far"
"Tester's opinion largely ignored"
Any fanboys want to defend Japanese hatred at this game now? I can continue translating some if you'd like.
Whats the need to defend? people who dislike this game would try to pull as much negative reviews as they can. They need to validate their hate and feel right.
I would rather wait for professional reviews from IGN, Gamespot etc. Even if half of the players who are enjoying the game find time to post a line or two on website. positive reviews will outnumbers negative considerably. But people who are enjoying the game they are busy playing.
Sooo you would rather listen to people that are paid to write reviews? (not to mention maybe paid by certain gaming companies to write reviews on a positive/negative basis)
The more honest reviews are the ones by people that are experiencing the game the way an average gamer would experience it.
This excuse is getting old. Unless you have proof that all these gaming websites are paid to write reviews? and an average player is free from all ulterior motives is that what you are telling me? an average gamer is not biased or prejudiced? i don't think so.
So the moral of the story is; people are fickle and will do what ever is popular. Whether that be FFXIV bashing or WoW loving/hating. The only real way of measuring anything is time, because only time has the ability to judge without prejudice.
What does time have to do with it? This is just trash.
You think that the prejudice will go away because some time passed? Maybe it's the unintelligent minority that is the issue.
My point is that time does not care about popular opinion and will review the game based solely on its merits. Take into consideration the Comedy Animal House; when the movie came out the critics hated it, but now it is considered a masterpiece of the comedy genre.
"Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game."-Guybrush Threepwood "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me."-Hunter S. Thompson
Really, that's just deflecting the truth with fancy words. We could subject any game with that very same sentence and in truth it would be a "valid" argument.
Allow me to explain:
Basically, World of Warcraft is a niche game. We knew this from the start. Just because there's a bunch of knuckleheads bashing their heads into it and saying, "OW! I'M NOT PART OF THE INTENDED NICHE! THIS GAME SUCKS!" doesn't mean that the game isn't excellent at the niche it was intended for.
Basically, Darkfall is a niche game. We knew this from the start. Just because there's a bunch of knuckleheads bashing their heads into it and saying, "OW! I'M NOT PART OF THE INTENDED NICHE! THIS GAME SUCKS!" doesn't mean that the game isn't excellent at the niche it was intended for.
Basically, Aion is a niche game. We knew this from the start. Just because there's a bunch of knuckleheads bashing their heads into it and saying, "OW! I'M NOT PART OF THE INTENDED NICHE! THIS GAME SUCKS!" doesn't mean that the game isn't excellent at the niche it was intended for.
Have I proved my point yet?
~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!
I hate to break it to you, Tails, but declaring something invalid and trying to prove it by repeating it three times with tile substitutions doesn't prove anything. Though it might summon Betelgeuse if you're not careful.
If anything, you've proved my point. That each one of these games did have a niche. That each one of these games would have people who said it was a terrible game because they're not part of the intended niche. That each one of these games, last I checked, was still alive and well. (Although Darkfall is probably limping, given that hardcore PvP never was a particularly popular niche and they rolled the game vulnerable to exploits.)
So then every game has a niche.
Can you stop proclaiming it as some kind of feature then and focus more on actual features? This game is a niche game. So are the worst games made ever. So are the best games made ever. So the word niche should never be used again to defend the actual features and elements of this game.
I used the auto-translate in Chrome, and with that I was able to pick apart pieces of the translated garble. Things like...
"this work in late September 2010 is now in alpha"
"Do not buy this game"
"The user interface is bad and frustrating to respond to anything. "
"Sure the graphics are beautiful."
"Currently, the corrections needed to play the game without stress "
"Why Square Enix Fallen so far"
"Tester's opinion largely ignored"
Any fanboys want to defend Japanese hatred at this game now? I can continue translating some if you'd like.
Whats the need to defend? people who dislike this game would try to pull as much negative reviews as they can. They need to validate their hate and feel right.
I would rather wait for professional reviews from IGN, Gamespot etc. Even if half of the players who are enjoying the game find time to post a line or two on website. positive reviews will outnumbers negative considerably. But people who are enjoying the game they are busy playing.
Sooo you would rather listen to people that are paid to write reviews? (not to mention maybe paid by certain gaming companies to write reviews on a positive/negative basis)
The more honest reviews are the ones by people that are experiencing the game the way an average gamer would experience it.
This excuse is getting old. Unless you have proof that all these gaming websites are paid to write reviews? and an average player is free from all ulterior motives is that what you are telling me? an average gamer is not biased or prejudiced? i don't think so.
I think the real discussion here should be: Why do you think the popular review sites like Gamespot and IGN will give this game a good score? I absolutely don't understand the reasoning. You, the minority in this case, find the game fun thus people who are paid to probe and break down games will also find it fun? I for one cannot wait to see IGN and Gamespot tear this game apart because I promise you they will.
Really, that's just deflecting the truth with fancy words. We could subject any game with that very same sentence and in truth it would be a "valid" argument.
Allow me to explain:
Basically, World of Warcraft is a niche game. We knew this from the start. Just because there's a bunch of knuckleheads bashing their heads into it and saying, "OW! I'M NOT PART OF THE INTENDED NICHE! THIS GAME SUCKS!" doesn't mean that the game isn't excellent at the niche it was intended for.
Basically, Darkfall is a niche game. We knew this from the start. Just because there's a bunch of knuckleheads bashing their heads into it and saying, "OW! I'M NOT PART OF THE INTENDED NICHE! THIS GAME SUCKS!" doesn't mean that the game isn't excellent at the niche it was intended for.
Basically, Aion is a niche game. We knew this from the start. Just because there's a bunch of knuckleheads bashing their heads into it and saying, "OW! I'M NOT PART OF THE INTENDED NICHE! THIS GAME SUCKS!" doesn't mean that the game isn't excellent at the niche it was intended for.
Have I proved my point yet?
I hate to break it to you, Tails, but declaring something invalid and trying to prove it by repeating it three times with title substitutions doesn't prove anything. Though it might summon Betelgeuse if you're not careful.
If anything, this simple analogy works more to prove my points that each one of these games did have a niche. That each one of these games would have people who said it was a terrible game because they're not part of the intended niche. Yes, even World of Warcraft is vulnerable to this. However, each one of these games, last I checked, was still alive and well. (Although Darkfall is probably limping, given that hardcore PvP never was a particularly popular niche and they rolled the game vulnerable to exploits.)
I'm not even sure I understand what you'e trying to say. I wasn't trying to "Disprove" you. I'm just saying that if you were going to argue for the game, saying it's targetted at a specific niche is a bad choice, especially since *like I said* all games target a niche audience. You basically said exactly what I said, only you put unecessary links and repeated yourself...
~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!
Come Join us at www.globalequestria.com - Meet other fans of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic!
I used the auto-translate in Chrome, and with that I was able to pick apart pieces of the translated garble. Things like...
"this work in late September 2010 is now in alpha"
"Do not buy this game"
"The user interface is bad and frustrating to respond to anything. "
"Sure the graphics are beautiful."
"Currently, the corrections needed to play the game without stress "
"Why Square Enix Fallen so far"
"Tester's opinion largely ignored"
Any fanboys want to defend Japanese hatred at this game now? I can continue translating some if you'd like.
Whats the need to defend? people who dislike this game would try to pull as much negative reviews as they can. They need to validate their hate and feel right.
I would rather wait for professional reviews from IGN, Gamespot etc. Even if half of the players who are enjoying the game find time to post a line or two on website. positive reviews will outnumbers negative considerably. But people who are enjoying the game they are busy playing.
Sooo you would rather listen to people that are paid to write reviews? (not to mention maybe paid by certain gaming companies to write reviews on a positive/negative basis)
The more honest reviews are the ones by people that are experiencing the game the way an average gamer would experience it.
There are far to many trolls and fanboys to take a user review as a good source of reliable information.
Not to mention these user reviews are often influenced heavily through personal bias, hardware/software issues on their end, and general lack of gameplay talent and overview.
Professional reviews have their flaws, but are still much more reliable.
Really, that's just deflecting the truth with fancy words. We could subject any game with that very same sentence and in truth it would be a "valid" argument.
Allow me to explain:
Basically, World of Warcraft is a niche game. We knew this from the start. Just because there's a bunch of knuckleheads bashing their heads into it and saying, "OW! I'M NOT PART OF THE INTENDED NICHE! THIS GAME SUCKS!" doesn't mean that the game isn't excellent at the niche it was intended for.
Basically, Darkfall is a niche game. We knew this from the start. Just because there's a bunch of knuckleheads bashing their heads into it and saying, "OW! I'M NOT PART OF THE INTENDED NICHE! THIS GAME SUCKS!" doesn't mean that the game isn't excellent at the niche it was intended for.
Basically, Aion is a niche game. We knew this from the start. Just because there's a bunch of knuckleheads bashing their heads into it and saying, "OW! I'M NOT PART OF THE INTENDED NICHE! THIS GAME SUCKS!" doesn't mean that the game isn't excellent at the niche it was intended for.
Have I proved my point yet?
~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!
I hate to break it to you, Tails, but declaring something invalid and trying to prove it by repeating it three times with tile substitutions doesn't prove anything. Though it might summon Betelgeuse if you're not careful.
If anything, you've proved my point. That each one of these games did have a niche. That each one of these games would have people who said it was a terrible game because they're not part of the intended niche. That each one of these games, last I checked, was still alive and well. (Although Darkfall is probably limping, given that hardcore PvP never was a particularly popular niche and they rolled the game vulnerable to exploits.)
So then every game has a niche.
Can you stop proclaiming it as some kind of feature then and focus more on actual features? This game is a niche game. So are the worst games made ever. So are the best games made ever. So the word niche should never be used again to defend the actual features and elements of this game.
I actually agree with you here. Using niche as a validation is pointless rhetoric.
"Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game."-Guybrush Threepwood "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me."-Hunter S. Thompson
I used the auto-translate in Chrome, and with that I was able to pick apart pieces of the translated garble. Things like...
"this work in late September 2010 is now in alpha"
"Do not buy this game"
"The user interface is bad and frustrating to respond to anything. "
"Sure the graphics are beautiful."
"Currently, the corrections needed to play the game without stress "
"Why Square Enix Fallen so far"
"Tester's opinion largely ignored"
Any fanboys want to defend Japanese hatred at this game now? I can continue translating some if you'd like.
Whats the need to defend? people who dislike this game would try to pull as much negative reviews as they can. They need to validate their hate and feel right.
I would rather wait for professional reviews from IGN, Gamespot etc. Even if half of the players who are enjoying the game find time to post a line or two on website. positive reviews will outnumbers negative considerably. But people who are enjoying the game they are busy playing.
Sooo you would rather listen to people that are paid to write reviews? (not to mention maybe paid by certain gaming companies to write reviews on a positive/negative basis)
The more honest reviews are the ones by people that are experiencing the game the way an average gamer would experience it.
This excuse is getting old. Unless you have proof that all these gaming websites are paid to write reviews? and an average player is free from all ulterior motives is that what you are telling me? an average gamer is not biased or prejudiced? i don't think so.
The average gamer isn't lying regardless of their motives, if they don't like the game they are going to say it, if they like it then they are going to say it. It is an honest opinion...
You can take your chances with a handful of so called 'professional' reviewers that may or may not be getting paid, or you can go for the 100% reviewers... pick your logic.
I used the auto-translate in Chrome, and with that I was able to pick apart pieces of the translated garble. Things like...
"this work in late September 2010 is now in alpha"
"Do not buy this game"
"The user interface is bad and frustrating to respond to anything. "
"Sure the graphics are beautiful."
"Currently, the corrections needed to play the game without stress "
"Why Square Enix Fallen so far"
"Tester's opinion largely ignored"
Any fanboys want to defend Japanese hatred at this game now? I can continue translating some if you'd like.
Whats the need to defend? people who dislike this game would try to pull as much negative reviews as they can. They need to validate their hate and feel right.
I would rather wait for professional reviews from IGN, Gamespot etc. Even if half of the players who are enjoying the game find time to post a line or two on website. positive reviews will outnumbers negative considerably. But people who are enjoying the game they are busy playing.
Sooo you would rather listen to people that are paid to write reviews? (not to mention maybe paid by certain gaming companies to write reviews on a positive/negative basis)
The more honest reviews are the ones by people that are experiencing the game the way an average gamer would experience it.
Are u serous?? Honest reviews by average gamers??
Must be nice in your lil world but the last week and all the threats we saw here prove u wrong.
I do however agree that Paid testers opinions shouldn't matter more than the one from Gamers.
After all reading all the threats on this side would make me believe the game is absolutely unplayable yet i have more fun than i had with all other mmos that came out in the past few years its all about personal preferences and not about some Ratings by players or paid testers.
Whats the need to defend? people who dislike this game would try to pull as much negative reviews as they can. They need to validate their hate and feel right.
I would rather wait for professional reviews from IGN, Gamespot etc. Even if half of the players who are enjoying the game find time to post a line or two on website. positive reviews will outnumbers negative considerably. But people who are enjoying the game they are busy playing.
I used the auto-translate in Chrome, and with that I was able to pick apart pieces of the translated garble. Things like...
"this work in late September 2010 is now in alpha"
"Do not buy this game"
"The user interface is bad and frustrating to respond to anything. "
"Sure the graphics are beautiful."
"Currently, the corrections needed to play the game without stress "
"Why Square Enix Fallen so far"
"Tester's opinion largely ignored"
Any fanboys want to defend Japanese hatred at this game now? I can continue translating some if you'd like.
Whats the need to defend? people who dislike this game would try to pull as much negative reviews as they can. They need to validate their hate and feel right.
I would rather wait for professional reviews from IGN, Gamespot etc. Even if half of the players who are enjoying the game find time to post a line or two on website. positive reviews will outnumbers negative considerably. But people who are enjoying the game they are busy playing.
Sooo you would rather listen to people that are paid to write reviews? (not to mention maybe paid by certain gaming companies to write reviews on a positive/negative basis)
The more honest reviews are the ones by people that are experiencing the game the way an average gamer would experience it.
This excuse is getting old. Unless you have proof that all these gaming websites are paid to write reviews? and an average player is free from all ulterior motives is that what you are telling me? an average gamer is not biased or prejudiced? i don't think so.
I think the real discussion here should be: Why do you think the popular review sites like Gamespot and IGN will give this game a good score? I absolutely don't understand the reasoning. You, the minority in this case, find the game fun thus people who are paid to probe and break down games will also find it fun? I for one cannot wait to see IGN and Gamespot tear this game apart because I promise you they will.
All I have to say is Metroid other M.
"Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game."-Guybrush Threepwood "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me."-Hunter S. Thompson
Can you stop proclaiming it as some kind of feature then and focus more on actual features? This game is a niche game. So are the worst games made ever. So are the best games made ever. So the word niche should never be used again to defend the actual features and elements of this game.
I would, if it wasn't the central point of what's going on here with the overwhelmingly negative player-written reviews on this Japanese site. They're there because these are mostly players who found out, rudely, that they were not the type of player intended to play this game. You'll find similar reviews for any game ever made. Consequently, you can't draw much from it.
You can't take player reviews seriously because most of the players who enjoy the game will probably never go to a site and write up a review. They don't have a reason to do so. However, players who disliked the game will, because they want to vent their frustations somewhere.
Originally posted by Emhster
Originally posted by Shastra
Whats the need to defend? people who dislike this game would try to pull as much negative reviews as they can. They need to validate their hate and feel right.
I would rather wait for professional reviews from IGN, Gamespot etc. Even if half of the players who are enjoying the game find time to post a line or two on website. positive reviews will outnumbers negative considerably. But people who are enjoying the game they are busy playing.
You really can't compare a game that customers couldn't form opinions of in beta and that did not deviate from expectations built in previous games of the series to Final Fantasy XIV.
However, but I'll point that, even for Dragon Age, over the 240 people who reviewed that on Amazon.com, 55 still gave it 3 stars or less. It establishes that no game is for everyone.
Actually, Dragon Age in particular did a really good job of meeting customer expectations because it was always spun as a throwback to Baldur's Gate-style combat, and it delivered very well.
Final Fantasy XIV didn't promise much of anything, it let players draw their own conclusions, and these conclusions were largely that it was going to be another Final Fantasy game, that it was going to be Final Fantasy XI, or (for the larger body of people who never heard of Final Fantasy) it was going to play like a standard MMORPG. Any of these expectations would likely be dashed (although it is, mildly, like Final Fantasy XI).
Sooo you would rather listen to people that are paid to write reviews? (not to mention maybe paid by certain gaming companies to write reviews on a positive/negative basis)
The more honest reviews are the ones by people that are experiencing the game the way an average gamer would experience it.
Yes, they are paid to write good reviews, as in inserting more objectivity and knowhow in them than you'll see in the average non-professional review.
Of course, it depends on the magazine or site how trustworthy and objective they can be in this.
And of course gamer reviews have merit too, but for true objectivity and depth you have to dig a lot more and deeper between all the emotional, kneejerk or highly subjective reviewing that all kinds of people post.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
I used the auto-translate in Chrome, and with that I was able to pick apart pieces of the translated garble. Things like...
"this work in late September 2010 is now in alpha"
"Do not buy this game"
"The user interface is bad and frustrating to respond to anything. "
"Sure the graphics are beautiful."
"Currently, the corrections needed to play the game without stress "
"Why Square Enix Fallen so far"
"Tester's opinion largely ignored"
Any fanboys want to defend Japanese hatred at this game now? I can continue translating some if you'd like.
Whats the need to defend? people who dislike this game would try to pull as much negative reviews as they can. They need to validate their hate and feel right.
I would rather wait for professional reviews from IGN, Gamespot etc. Even if half of the players who are enjoying the game find time to post a line or two on website. positive reviews will outnumbers negative considerably. But people who are enjoying the game they are busy playing.
Sooo you would rather listen to people that are paid to write reviews? (not to mention maybe paid by certain gaming companies to write reviews on a positive/negative basis)
The more honest reviews are the ones by people that are experiencing the game the way an average gamer would experience it.
There are far to many trolls and fanboys to take a user review as a good source of reliable information.
Not to mention these user reviews are often influenced heavily through personal bias, hardware/software issues on their end, and general lack of gameplay talent and overview.
Professional reviews have their flaws, but are still much more reliable.
So you would take the opinions of say 5 people over the opinions of 1000?
I used the auto-translate in Chrome, and with that I was able to pick apart pieces of the translated garble. Things like...
"this work in late September 2010 is now in alpha"
"Do not buy this game"
"The user interface is bad and frustrating to respond to anything. "
"Sure the graphics are beautiful."
"Currently, the corrections needed to play the game without stress "
"Why Square Enix Fallen so far"
"Tester's opinion largely ignored"
Any fanboys want to defend Japanese hatred at this game now? I can continue translating some if you'd like.
Whats the need to defend? people who dislike this game would try to pull as much negative reviews as they can. They need to validate their hate and feel right.
I would rather wait for professional reviews from IGN, Gamespot etc. Even if half of the players who are enjoying the game find time to post a line or two on website. positive reviews will outnumbers negative considerably. But people who are enjoying the game they are busy playing.
Sooo you would rather listen to people that are paid to write reviews? (not to mention maybe paid by certain gaming companies to write reviews on a positive/negative basis)
The more honest reviews are the ones by people that are experiencing the game the way an average gamer would experience it.
This excuse is getting old. Unless you have proof that all these gaming websites are paid to write reviews? and an average player is free from all ulterior motives is that what you are telling me? an average gamer is not biased or prejudiced? i don't think so.
The average gamer isn't lying regardless of their motives, if they don't like the game they are going to say it, if they like it then they are going to say it. It is an honest opinion...
You can take your chances with a handful of so called 'professional' reviewers that may or may not be getting paid, or you can go for the 100% reviewers... pick your logic.
The point is whether or not their opinion matters in the long run. Paid reviewers for the most part have to follow a code of conduct set forth by their editor. They are journalist, and in theory this means they are to stay as objective and neutral as possible. Forum users on the other hand tend to let their emotions get the better of them.
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Can you stop proclaiming it as some kind of feature then and focus more on actual features? This game is a niche game. So are the worst games made ever. So are the best games made ever. So the word niche should never be used again to defend the actual features and elements of this game.
I would, if it wasn't the central point of what's going on here with the overwhelmingly negative player-written reviews on this Japanese site. They're there because these are mostly players who found out, rudely, that they were not the type of player intended to play this game. You'll find similar reviews for any game ever made. Consequently, you can't draw much from it.
You can't take player reviews seriously because most of the players who enjoy the game will probably never go to a site and write up a review. They don't have a reason to do so. However, players who disliked the game will, because they want to vent their frustations somewhere.
Enough of this. How about someone post some links telling me who S-E was targetting, otherwise this is simply a "He said. she said.". If we can't have anyone prove who S-E was targetting or what if the people you are complaining about are indeed part of this niche, but feel like S-E missed the ball, then why are we even having this argument? Can you prove that they aren't?
Honestly, that's what I don't understand. Seriously, can we stop with the "It's a niche game"? It's not a good argument. It never will be, and covering it in fancy long sentences doesn't make it any better.
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well, they kind of dove into uncharted waters. They did say they were going to try and 'western-ise" FF XIV more than IX was, so its not surprising its turning off folks in the east.
From what I hear SE is pretty hard headed, I dont expect them to make many drastic changes in their direction. In testing it took a crusade of people writing countless pages of complaints on certain things to get them to address issues. Hopefully they'll keep their heads out of the sand and address their game because I agree, its not being recieved well.
What does time have to do with it? This is just trash.
You think that the prejudice will go away because some time passed? Maybe it's the unintelligent minority that is the issue.
Whats the need to defend? people who dislike this game would try to pull as much negative reviews as they can. They need to validate their hate and feel right.
I would rather wait for professional reviews from IGN, Gamespot etc. Even if half of the players who are enjoying the game find time to post a line or two on website. positive reviews will outnumbers negative considerably. But people who are enjoying the game they are busy playing.
Let's hope they don't represent the actual community playing it :S
Why are people so concerned with the accuracy of the 500 or so polled reviews? It's 500 people saying the game is terrible. That's your community, that's your target audience. If they don't enjoy the game, you lose. It doesn't matter if 2/500 people find the game fun because the other 498 people do not. If you fail to appeal to even a quarter of the MMO community, you've failed as a company to produce something good. It's almost as if people have forgotten that "unique" doesn't mean good, it just means it stands out.
You have 498 people out of 500 that will not provide you 15$ a month. That 30$ you'll receive from the 2 that like it won't be enough to fund and expand your game, thus in the long run it's a failure and will fail. Your game is unique, but it's unique for the bad reasons. Your game can be unique because it allows extreme character customization and development or it can be unique for having more terrible cutscenes than gameplay (even if your gameplay is as terrible as the cutscenes).
You think that positive reviews will outnumber negative reviews for this game? I think you are about to be disappointed. But we'll see.
Because its easier to dismiss the comments as those of a raving lunatic than to accept them as actual opinion.
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Sooo you would rather listen to people that are paid to write reviews? (not to mention maybe paid by certain gaming companies to write reviews on a positive/negative basis)
The more honest reviews are the ones by people that are experiencing the game the way an average gamer would experience it.
I hate to break it to you, Tails, but declaring something invalid and trying to prove it by repeating it three times with title substitutions doesn't prove anything. Though it might summon Betelgeuse if you're not careful.
If anything, this simple analogy works more to prove my points that each one of these games did have a niche. That each one of these games would have people who said it was a terrible game because they're not part of the intended niche. Yes, even World of Warcraft is vulnerable to this. However, each one of these games, last I checked, was still alive and well. (Although Darkfall is probably limping, given that hardcore PvP never was a particularly popular niche and they rolled the game vulnerable to exploits.)
This excuse is getting old. Unless you have proof that all these gaming websites are paid to write reviews? and an average player is free from all ulterior motives is that what you are telling me? an average gamer is not biased or prejudiced? i don't think so.
My point is that time does not care about popular opinion and will review the game based solely on its merits. Take into consideration the Comedy Animal House; when the movie came out the critics hated it, but now it is considered a masterpiece of the comedy genre.
"Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game."-Guybrush Threepwood
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me."-Hunter S. Thompson
So then every game has a niche.
Can you stop proclaiming it as some kind of feature then and focus more on actual features? This game is a niche game. So are the worst games made ever. So are the best games made ever. So the word niche should never be used again to defend the actual features and elements of this game.
I think the real discussion here should be: Why do you think the popular review sites like Gamespot and IGN will give this game a good score? I absolutely don't understand the reasoning. You, the minority in this case, find the game fun thus people who are paid to probe and break down games will also find it fun? I for one cannot wait to see IGN and Gamespot tear this game apart because I promise you they will.
I'm not even sure I understand what you'e trying to say. I wasn't trying to "Disprove" you. I'm just saying that if you were going to argue for the game, saying it's targetted at a specific niche is a bad choice, especially since *like I said* all games target a niche audience. You basically said exactly what I said, only you put unecessary links and repeated yourself...
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There are far to many trolls and fanboys to take a user review as a good source of reliable information.
Not to mention these user reviews are often influenced heavily through personal bias, hardware/software issues on their end, and general lack of gameplay talent and overview.
Professional reviews have their flaws, but are still much more reliable.
I actually agree with you here. Using niche as a validation is pointless rhetoric.
"Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game."-Guybrush Threepwood
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me."-Hunter S. Thompson
The average gamer isn't lying regardless of their motives, if they don't like the game they are going to say it, if they like it then they are going to say it. It is an honest opinion...
You can take your chances with a handful of so called 'professional' reviewers that may or may not be getting paid, or you can go for the 100% reviewers... pick your logic.
Are u serous?? Honest reviews by average gamers??
Must be nice in your lil world but the last week and all the threats we saw here prove u wrong.
I do however agree that Paid testers opinions shouldn't matter more than the one from Gamers.
After all reading all the threats on this side would make me believe the game is absolutely unplayable yet i have more fun than i had with all other mmos that came out in the past few years its all about personal preferences and not about some Ratings by players or paid testers.
Actually, when a game is good, it gets good customer reviews.
All I have to say is Metroid other M.
"Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game."-Guybrush Threepwood
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me."-Hunter S. Thompson
I would, if it wasn't the central point of what's going on here with the overwhelmingly negative player-written reviews on this Japanese site. They're there because these are mostly players who found out, rudely, that they were not the type of player intended to play this game. You'll find similar reviews for any game ever made. Consequently, you can't draw much from it.
You can't take player reviews seriously because most of the players who enjoy the game will probably never go to a site and write up a review. They don't have a reason to do so. However, players who disliked the game will, because they want to vent their frustations somewhere.
You really can't compare a game that customers couldn't form opinions of in beta and that did not deviate from expectations built in previous games of the series to Final Fantasy XIV.
However, but I'll point that, even for Dragon Age, over the 240 people who reviewed that on Amazon.com, 55 still gave it 3 stars or less. It establishes that no game is for everyone.
Actually, Dragon Age in particular did a really good job of meeting customer expectations because it was always spun as a throwback to Baldur's Gate-style combat, and it delivered very well.
Final Fantasy XIV didn't promise much of anything, it let players draw their own conclusions, and these conclusions were largely that it was going to be another Final Fantasy game, that it was going to be Final Fantasy XI, or (for the larger body of people who never heard of Final Fantasy) it was going to play like a standard MMORPG. Any of these expectations would likely be dashed (although it is, mildly, like Final Fantasy XI).
Yes, they are paid to write good reviews, as in inserting more objectivity and knowhow in them than you'll see in the average non-professional review.
Of course, it depends on the magazine or site how trustworthy and objective they can be in this.
And of course gamer reviews have merit too, but for true objectivity and depth you have to dig a lot more and deeper between all the emotional, kneejerk or highly subjective reviewing that all kinds of people post.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
So you would take the opinions of say 5 people over the opinions of 1000?
The point is whether or not their opinion matters in the long run. Paid reviewers for the most part have to follow a code of conduct set forth by their editor. They are journalist, and in theory this means they are to stay as objective and neutral as possible. Forum users on the other hand tend to let their emotions get the better of them.
"Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game."-Guybrush Threepwood
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me."-Hunter S. Thompson
Enough of this. How about someone post some links telling me who S-E was targetting, otherwise this is simply a "He said. she said.". If we can't have anyone prove who S-E was targetting or what if the people you are complaining about are indeed part of this niche, but feel like S-E missed the ball, then why are we even having this argument? Can you prove that they aren't?
Honestly, that's what I don't understand. Seriously, can we stop with the "It's a niche game"? It's not a good argument. It never will be, and covering it in fancy long sentences doesn't make it any better.
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