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Dont underestimate Square
teldath
Member Posts: 104
to me it seems like 1/2 of the complaints people have been spewing about this game seem to be nitpicky complains that will be changed in less than a week.
people seem to forget that Square has never made a numbered Final Fantasy game that was not premium QUALITY. Square makes odd design choices and people often disagree with their "Now for something completely different" approach to game design but they always have functional games that work the way they are intended to work. Square has one of the best art teams in the industry, the quality of animation and texturing in this game is impressive and it would be silly to think SE isn’t putting the same effort into the coding.
the technical problems currently facing the game are average for a a recently released MMO and will probably be fixed within a few weeks.
if your going to complain about the game, complain about DESIGN issues you dislike, not technical issues that will be fixed (this is how most MMOs should be judged at release, when is the last MMO that had no issues at release)
FFXIV is defiantly a Niche game, its not for everyone, its for people who enjoying spending their time inside a living-breathing world, not for people who want to play competitively. However, that does not make it a “BAD” game. It just makes it not for you.
I myself find the game to be pretty enjoyable despite the tech issues. The market system defiantly needs fixing, but I support their choice not to have an AH. (AH systems normally reduce entire cities to hundreds of people sitting around a window, the bazaar system can also lead to cool moments of finding “deals” that just don’t exist in the AH system, it does take a little longer to find things your looking for, but who said that shopping cant be part of the MMO experience?)
The combat is slow and relatively boring in the beginning, but around Rank 15 I had enough buttons to push that I have been entertained every battle. It is not FAST, but do we really identify combat in MMOs as faster=better? If so, we would all be playing Lineage 2, and nobody would be playing EvE.
And with regards to guildleves, once you start to party up with other people from your linkshell/guild doing a full set of Guildleves can take 5-6 hours+an hour for crafting, that gives you up too 7 hours of leves. Every 36 hours, then factor in sleep; that gives you more than enough content every 36 hours.
FFXI was a quality MMO, you may not have agreed with its design, but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t quality.
FFXIV will be a quality MMO, it just may not be your thing.
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"FFXIV will be a quality MMO, it just may not be your thing."
You described it right it Will be...
But square enix should know that a unfinished release does not pass away like in 2002 anymore.
"It has potential"
-Second most used phrase on existence
"It sucks"
-Most used phrase on existence
Originally, I was pretty set on having an AH system as well. But after thinking about it and reading more posts about the advantages and disadvantages of a bazaar system I'm really starting to warm up to the bazaar system. In most games with an AH, the price of an item will become a rock solid entity. The way things are right now, there are tremendous opportunities to save a lot as well as make a lot of profit.
I think if SE are able to reduce the inventory and menu lag, this kind of economy will be very unique and robust as well as offer variation (which is the spice of life!).
Two thumbs up to this post.
I think that people tend to OVERestimate Square, not underestimate them.
It happened with FFXIII and it looks to be happening now. The problem is that people have been overestimating them, not the other way around.
First I want to admit I haven't played this game so I don't know anything first hand.
Second, I will say that as far as these forums go, I don't know that I have seen such a large scale negative opinion of a game upon release since STO came out.
So true don't even remember how many times SE put something into FFXI that made me say "I don't want it and do not like it" but afterwards made me say wow I was wrong on that one.
So don't count SE out they know what they are doing.
I haven't played FFXI before, could you give some examples? (I'm curious like that >_>)
this is one of the points of my post, FFXIII was a quality game, it was not buggy or cheaply made at all, you may not have agreed with the linearity of it or other design choices, but it was not made by a lazy company.
""FFXIV will be a quality MMO, it just may not be your thing."
You described it right it Will be...
But square enix should know that a unfinished release does not pass away like in 2002 anymore."
almost every single MMO these days is released before it should have been; Aion, WAR, AoC, Vanguard,darkfall... ALL of them where not complete at release. infact, i cant think of a single game that WAS complete at launch.
Actually, I personally liked FFXIII.
But I still do see this situation as more of a "high expectation being let down" than a "they are about to do something amazing."
I think people tended to overestimate Square on this game. And I don't think that it is very awkward to think that.
Edit: And to respond to what you said below:
"almost every single MMO these days is released before it should have been; Aion, WAR, AoC, Vanguard,darkfall... ALL of them where not complete at release. infact, i cant think of a single game that WAS complete at launch."
It doesn't make it ok. Those games you list suffered greatly because of their release. The model those games followed should be lambasted, not used as a good example of why this game should not be underestimated.
I view it a bit differently, games these days take Millions and millions of dollars to make, and they require much more effort in order for them to compete. I think that MMOs shipping unfinished is something that will are going to have to get use to, its just the way its gonna work from now on. If anything, the situation is only going to get worse.
Yeah, we just disagree here. I would like to think that if buggy, unfinished MMOs fail, less companies will release buggy, unfinished MMOs.
In other words, if I don't give them money, later on everyone will get a better product at release. And I'll continue to use my money that way.
I'm not saying this is a buggy, unfinished MMO. I didn't actually see a whole lot of bugs with the exception of menu lag and alt-tab.
Square has released a game that was not up to the quality you would expect from a company like them, it’s called Final Fantasy XIV.
From the very beginning with patcher issues, the poorly optimized graphics engine, direct x crashes in full screen or when you minimize the window, the extreme lag in the user interface, the clunky user interface, and on and on this game screams one that was rushed to production without so much as a decent polish pass.
Compare FFXIV to a small indie developer project like Fallen Earth for instance at launch and it’s even more unexplainable and inexcusable how this AAA game design company could put out such a awful release day product and take a customer’s money for it. I’m not saying Fallen Earth was a great launch but at least the user interface worked and didn’t take 3-5 seconds to show what you equipped from a company that has a fraction of the resources of SE.
I’m sure SE will fix the issues given time but you only get to launch a game once. And it’s going to be a long time before I personally look at any SE game prelaunch seriously again.
actually they get to launch it 3 times (CE,SE, PS3); and FE had tons of bugs at launch.
the only reason SE has been having problems with the UI is becuase they are trying to create a system that works for both controller AND Keyboard/mouse. its not something that has been done correctly before
Not only that but we become biased as time goes on because previously unfinished products (War, AOC, Aion, WOW) have time to gain more and more polish.
When a consumer today is looking at whether or not FF14 is a good deal or not, compared to many of the more polished offerings of course it's not.
A fair comparison would entail comparing products at launch.
This too has its pros and cons. I think this kind of comparison is good at assessing the potential of an MMO since a game that starts off with more offerings and interesting things at launch is going to have more potential than one that didn't have such features at launch.
Of course the con of this method is that it ignores the reality that a game like Aion or wow (even though it was released a while ago) is currently more polished than FF14.
Even if the developers were to extend the FF14 beta (= no profit) to add more features, MMO games that have already been released will not only continue to make profits but also be cranking out their own sets of polished new features.
For a MMO developer, this presents an interesting conundrum because on one hand you can't just keep a game in beta for too long (angry investors, profit margins, etc.), but you can't release an absolute piece of crap either.
I personally think that ff14 has struck an OK balance between these two considerations. Sure there's a lot to be desired, but they've got to start recooping on the losses at some point. Given their past with FFXI I also believe that they will be supporting this game with lots of content. Additionally although the current FFXIV is certainly lacking in a lot of ways, having played it for a week, there are certainly more than a fair share of interesting things to experience.
Keeping these aspects in mind, I think that a lot of people have a lot of criticisms that are valid (and should be sent to SE's suggestions box!!!). What I don't think is valid is the amount of anger that seems to be permeating many forums.
Just my view on things.
My view on it is, "wait on it." You won't be missing anything in the meantime and when you do play, you'll be getting that quality experience you guys are referring to.
there will be an AH tho
This exactly. If I have learned anything from having MMO's be my hobby it's that I need to wait 90 days before jumping on any bandwagon. I have SAVED a ton of money with this philosophy.
I am definately interested in Final Fantasy, just not right now. First things first, the SE admins need to put their arrogance aside and listen to its customer base. Every major MMO that has been successful in profit has had great or relatively good customer relations. While Final Fantasy may be pretty awesome down the road (no doubt it just might) the "Our way or the highway" philosophy is gone. In America at least people thrive on Customer service and everyone feels entitled.
Like it or not US/CAN/Euro are a large piece of pie even if we are bratty and picky. Im personally fine with bugs just communicate with us.
I really hate people like the OP. They admit to liking half baked crap, when they know its half baked crap. People like you are the reason the mmo genre is a steaming pile of shit atm.
Developers keep releasing unfinished, un tested, content deviod garbage. Why? People will buy it anyway and praise them! That makes it more profitable so they will keep doing it.
i dont like memememe type people either. ff14 isnt half baked ims orry you feel thatw ay it has a few tech issues they need to fix asap thent hey need to add mroe content NO fucking mmo has all the content at release. get over it please
People are mixing up the words "unfinished" and "unpolished" interchangably and they are completely different things.
'Polishing' is going back and make sure nothing is broken, everything is following the grand picture, and sometimes adding little finishing touches. FFXIV is a pretty decently polished game. Everything works and everything works together to create the overall game experience. Its obvious, especially with the graphics, this game has been looked at in depth many times over.
Now, I enjoy FFXIV a lot but I will admit it is UNFINISHED. There are many entire features, not just finishing touches, that are not yet there. You cannot yet ride Chocobos, the Marketplace system still has a bit to be done to it, there is no way to sort your inventory or warehouse, you cannot see the effects of buffs or their duration, etc. They are all such standard things its evident that they purposely havent added them yet, not that they never thought to, which is discerning.
^This.^
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.-
-And on the 8th day, man created God.-
I disagree with the point that has been made. Please read my post (#15) to gain some perspective and perhaps some tolerance for the situation at hand...
Thanks in advance for your time.
A game should not be released unfinished. First impressions mean everthing in the MMO genre, tbqfh.
"When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"
Could someone please define "finished" for me please?
Again with the ' this game is not for you' argument... I am tired of it. When do faboi will understand it is not an argument, this is a MMO ( multy MASSIVE online) that means it must please the masses, and ofr noe it doesnt. Yeah it has great graphics, yeah its almost like FF11 (is that even a good point?!? not sure) but its not complete and it is not easy to learn the game and you can get easily lost.
It is a great console game with online features, so was FF11 ... nothing more. UI is console based and most features tend to split people apart. No AH is hell, if the dev. didnt want to have some capital city camping they just had to put a non centralized AH systems ( like Eve as opposed to Wow's one). I am really sad because SE just made my favorite IP unaccessible to me because i can't tolerate their UI. I also have to add that SE could have break the unfinished game launch cycle, they have the ressources to do it, but they choose not to and launch an other broken start game. Ho! yes they will patch it, fix it revamp it, but its not the same as a finished one. After all maybe the 'this game is not for you' argument is a good one ... Im done with this IP... SE broke it