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  • WSIMikeWSIMike Member Posts: 5,564

    Originally posted by holdenhamlet

    Originally posted by wildtalent

    First I want to admit I haven't played this game so I don't know anything first hand.

    Second, I will say that as far as these forums go, I don't know that I have seen such a large scale negative opinion of a game upon release since STO came out.

    This is probably what gets me riled up the most.  STO was a borderline scam.  It reused the Champions Online engine for a freaking space game, consisted of almost nothing except solo grinding and repetative WoW-type BGs (basically WoW in space), crafting was basically worthless and very VERY little thought was given to social interaction and interdependence.  The fighting of space battles was basically completely STOLEN from Pirates of the Carribean Sea.  No innovation, just theft of ideas and a reused graphics engine.

    The graphics and animations on the away-missions were straight out of like 1998.

    Admittingly, Cryaptic had to release the game early to claim their bonus from Atari, but that doesn't excuse the state of the game.

    I'm a pretty huge trekkie too.  If anyone accuses me of liking this game just because it's Final Fantasy (some have already), take the fact that I flamed up Craptic's message boards for the whole free month I played the game, despite being a huge trekkie.

    But you're right, this game is getting pounded as hard as STO was pounded and that really is not fair.

    So, just to make sure I'm understanding you correctly:

    You were harsh on STO because you felt it to be a sub-par game, despite being a huge fan of the series and so, you felt such harsh criticism by others was warranted, no matter how much others might have disagreed with you.

    However, when it comes to FFXIV, a game that - it seems - you view more favorably, it's suddenly "unfair" that others are as harsh on it as you were on STO... simply because you don't share their sentiments?

    Does that about sum it up?

    If it does... then... yeah... pretty hypocritical.

    Do I need to point out the obvious fact that there are others who feel just as passionately about this game - one way or the other - as you did/do about STO, and they're as entitled to do so as you are?

    "If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road,
    and the cash shop selling asphalt..."     - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops

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  • Cody1174Cody1174 Member Posts: 271

    There is abosolutely no excuse for a company as big as Square Enix or any large gaming company to release a game so unfinished...... Scam

  • geldonyetichgeldonyetich Member Posts: 1,340

    Not sure why cody1174 has bumped this thing - maybe he's hoping to see more people banned.  The thing, this thread has become a bit too vitriolic.  The main reason you haven't seen a post for the last two days in it is because a significant amount of these messages were removed and their posters issued various moderative punative measures. My last lesson learned: no, you absolutely cannot try to explain to a person that there are situations in life in which condescension is deserved.  Regardless of how justified you ay feel this is, there's no negativity against another user allowed by virtue of the the terms of service of this board.

    Back on topic, I think the keyphrase here is seeing is believing.  Right now, people are going to see what Square-Enix intended to release: a solid foundation.  Not a perfect foundation, but if you pay attention to the patches lately, and know the rather differences between open beta and release, then it' clear significant developer effort is being spent on taking care of the structural faults.  Then you move on to the content, which is intended to be built atop that foundation, of which we can already see placeholders in the game (placeholders which apparently annoy people because they're there and not done).

    Does what we have in the game right now impress anyone who was expecting a finished game?  No, but oddly enough, this is working as intended.  MMORPGs 101: the release state of a game only remotely reflects its finished state, which is largely a hypothetical considering the whole point of paying a subscription fee is with the understanding that a game will never be finished.

  • LaterisLateris Member UncommonPosts: 1,848

    For me, I like a game that doesn't hold my hand and lead me to the end game. I don't want that in every mmo but this one is fine. I made note early on that it was made clear by this studio that this is the way it was going to be for this game from the start. So I am not sure why people are complaining especially if they did not do their research on the game. I also like the fact that most everything is a non standard way of playing such as the UI. I do see room for improvement on the billing side but once you figure it out it is extremely easy to manage. Other than that I am enjoying the game and see it as something I can play for quite a while along with Eve, LOTRO, EQ II, AoC, Fallen Earth, DDO, and some new MMORPG's that are coming to the Masses.  I can see how this studio are clearly making people work together and with this MMO for me, it is fine. Others hate that aspect or the fact that it is work. And that is ok. For me I prefer the old school challenges that our American studios have abandoned and the Japanese touch of culture with this game.  It is not an easy game.  I also like the fact they are not trying to be Blizzard, SOE, or any other Western based studio.  It is a breath of fresh air and a world that sucks one in to the process of discovery. I would not underestimate this studio.

  • SeffrenSeffren Member Posts: 743

    Originally posted by Shastra

    Originally posted by colddog04

    Originally posted by Shastra

    Originally posted by colddog04

    Originally posted by geldonyetich

    I'd like to support the original poster here, but personally I think he started off on the wrong foot by saying that the game is really all that flawed.  I know he was trying to meet the haters halfway, but wen you meet somebody who's wrong halfway you end up half-wrong, and throughout the thread they're pouncing on his attempts at accomodation as vindication at last.

    In the wider scheme of things, I've played MMORPGs that were far crashier and laggier at release.  This one is quite playable, its main trouble seems to be that it tests the patience of the impatient... which, in some ways, is a good thing if you don't want to be stuck playing the game with a bunch of impatient spazzes.  

    And, yes, there's a lot of content missing, but that's actually working-as-intended, they were always planning on unfolding the content slowly as the game grew into it, so as to give those systems more attention than rushing them to release.

    Huh. Well, if you find this game tedious and boring, you are now apparently an impatient spazz.

     

    The insulting from the fans just gets worse and worse.

    Oh look who is back..defender of  weak and spazzes. I would really like to see whom you gonna argue with for 8 pages today.

    What a community.

    Community is great, we just don't like you.

    I like him. 

  • SeffrenSeffren Member Posts: 743

    Originally posted by geldonyetich

    <snip>

    Back on topic, I think the keyphrase here is seeing is believing.  Right now, people are going to see what Square-Enix intended to release: a solid foundation.  Not a perfect foundation, but if you pay attention to the patches lately, and know the rather differences between open beta and release, then it' clear significant developer effort is being spent on taking care of the structural faults.  Then you move on to the content, which is intended to be built atop that foundation, of which we can already see placeholders in the game (placeholders which apparently annoy people because they're there and not done).

    <snip>

    Ah ok, so now the content gets postponed because of the focus on foundation.

    It does seem like a better reason then that it got postponed because of beta.

    I'm thrilled to know what the next reason will be.

  • PresbytierPresbytier Member UncommonPosts: 424

    Originally posted by Seffren

    Originally posted by geldonyetich

    Back on topic, I think the keyphrase here is seeing is believing.  Right now, people are going to see what Square-Enix intended to release: a solid foundation.  Not a perfect foundation, but if you pay attention to the patches lately, and know the rather differences between open beta and release, then it' clear significant developer effort is being spent on taking care of the structural faults.  Then you move on to the content, which is intended to be built atop that foundation, of which we can already see placeholders in the game (placeholders which apparently annoy people because they're there and not done).

    Ah ok, so now the content gets postponed because of the focus on foundation.

    It does seem like a better reason then that it got postponed because of beta.

    I'm thrilled to know what the next reason will be.

    Honestly I think we need to put our expectations on hold and recognize reality; this is a MMORPG and no MMORPG has released with all the content that players want. MMOs by their very nature are a work in progress. This is not a bad game; it has allot going for it. Is it where I want it? No, but I also realize that this is the nature of the beast.

    Now here is where we as the player have to make a decision: are we going to wait till it is where we want it or are we going to play it as it progresses to that point. Ideally every MMO would release in a 100% finished state, unfortunately  not a single MMO in the history of MMOs has ever done this. So we are faced with the reality that all MMOs launch with bugs, server problems, and a lack of endgame content.

    "Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game."-Guybrush Threepwood
    "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me."-Hunter S. Thompson

  • udonudon Member UncommonPosts: 1,803

    Originally posted by Presbytier

    Originally posted by Seffren

    Originally posted by geldonyetich

    Back on topic, I think the keyphrase here is seeing is believing.  Right now, people are going to see what Square-Enix intended to release: a solid foundation.  Not a perfect foundation, but if you pay attention to the patches lately, and know the rather differences between open beta and release, then it' clear significant developer effort is being spent on taking care of the structural faults.  Then you move on to the content, which is intended to be built atop that foundation, of which we can already see placeholders in the game (placeholders which apparently annoy people because they're there and not done).

    Ah ok, so now the content gets postponed because of the focus on foundation.

    It does seem like a better reason then that it got postponed because of beta.

    I'm thrilled to know what the next reason will be.

    Honestly I think we need to put our expectations on hold and recognize reality; this is a MMORPG and no MMORPG has released with all the content that players want. MMOs by their very nature are a work in progress. This is not a bad game; it has allot going for it. Is it where I want it? No, but I also realize that this is the nature of the beast.

    Now here is where we as the player have to make a decision: are we going to wait till it is where we want it or are we going to play it as it progresses to that point. Ideally every MMO would release in a 100% finished state, unfortunately  not a single MMO in the history of MMOs has ever done this. So we are faced with the reality that all MMOs launch with bugs, server problems, and a lack of endgame content.

     


    What’s clear to me is that SE put the least amount of work possible into a PC port of the PS3 game they wanted to make then rushed it to market to fund the last stage of development of the real game which is being released on the PS3 next year. 


     


    It will be a long time before I seriously look at another SE title on release day again.

  • PresbytierPresbytier Member UncommonPosts: 424

    Originally posted by udon

    Originally posted by Presbytier

    Originally posted by Seffren

    Originally posted by geldonyetich

    Back on topic, I think the keyphrase here is seeing is believing.  Right now, people are going to see what Square-Enix intended to release: a solid foundation.  Not a perfect foundation, but if you pay attention to the patches lately, and know the rather differences between open beta and release, then it' clear significant developer effort is being spent on taking care of the structural faults.  Then you move on to the content, which is intended to be built atop that foundation, of which we can already see placeholders in the game (placeholders which apparently annoy people because they're there and not done).

    Ah ok, so now the content gets postponed because of the focus on foundation.

    It does seem like a better reason then that it got postponed because of beta.

    I'm thrilled to know what the next reason will be.

    Honestly I think we need to put our expectations on hold and recognize reality; this is a MMORPG and no MMORPG has released with all the content that players want. MMOs by their very nature are a work in progress. This is not a bad game; it has allot going for it. Is it where I want it? No, but I also realize that this is the nature of the beast.

    Now here is where we as the player have to make a decision: are we going to wait till it is where we want it or are we going to play it as it progresses to that point. Ideally every MMO would release in a 100% finished state, unfortunately  not a single MMO in the history of MMOs has ever done this. So we are faced with the reality that all MMOs launch with bugs, server problems, and a lack of endgame content.

     


    What’s clear to me is that SE put the least amount of work possible into a PC port of the PS3 game they wanted to make then rushed it to market to fund the last stage of development of the real game which is being released on the PS3 next year. 


     


    It will be a long time before I seriously look at another SE title on release day again.

    This is really a stupid statement; there is absolutely no proof that this is a PS3 port to PC. This is how all MMOs launch. All MMOs launch as a work in progress; if you want to wait till it is better fine, but please stop making stupid conspiracy statements like that.

    "Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game."-Guybrush Threepwood
    "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me."-Hunter S. Thompson

  • udonudon Member UncommonPosts: 1,803

    Originally posted by Presbytier

    Originally posted by udon

    Originally posted by Presbytier

    Originally posted by Seffren

    Originally posted by geldonyetich

    Back on topic, I think the keyphrase here is seeing is believing.  Right now, people are going to see what Square-Enix intended to release: a solid foundation.  Not a perfect foundation, but if you pay attention to the patches lately, and know the rather differences between open beta and release, then it' clear significant developer effort is being spent on taking care of the structural faults.  Then you move on to the content, which is intended to be built atop that foundation, of which we can already see placeholders in the game (placeholders which apparently annoy people because they're there and not done).

    Ah ok, so now the content gets postponed because of the focus on foundation.

    It does seem like a better reason then that it got postponed because of beta.

    I'm thrilled to know what the next reason will be.

    Honestly I think we need to put our expectations on hold and recognize reality; this is a MMORPG and no MMORPG has released with all the content that players want. MMOs by their very nature are a work in progress. This is not a bad game; it has allot going for it. Is it where I want it? No, but I also realize that this is the nature of the beast.

    Now here is where we as the player have to make a decision: are we going to wait till it is where we want it or are we going to play it as it progresses to that point. Ideally every MMO would release in a 100% finished state, unfortunately  not a single MMO in the history of MMOs has ever done this. So we are faced with the reality that all MMOs launch with bugs, server problems, and a lack of endgame content.

     


    What’s clear to me is that SE put the least amount of work possible into a PC port of the PS3 game they wanted to make then rushed it to market to fund the last stage of development of the real game which is being released on the PS3 next year. 


     


    It will be a long time before I seriously look at another SE title on release day again.

    This is really a stupid statement; there is absolutely no proof that this is a PS3 port to PC. This is how all MMOs launch. All MMOs launch as a work in progress; if you want to wait till it is better fine, but please stop making stupid conspiracy statements like that.

     


    Then they hired a bunch of high school computer club students to write their PC UI and graphics engine.


     


    It’s one or the other because no one who has any professional experience writing PC software could have looked at this mess of a interface and been happy with it.

  • Clubmaster22Clubmaster22 Member Posts: 279

    Originally posted by Presbytier

    This is really a stupid statement; there is absolutely no proof that this is a PS3 port to PC. This is how all MMOs launch. All MMOs launch as a work in progress; if you want to wait till it is better fine, but please stop making stupid conspiracy statements like that.

    Interface/battleengine/menues designed for pads, engine optimized for multicore (>2) totally neglecting GPU (it almost doesn't matter if you have an 8800 GT or 480 GTX, the game runs like shit as long as you don't have I7-Multicore CPUs, which exactly caters to the PS3 architecture, a platform with a shitty GPU, less RAM than your average smartphone and extremely dependend on multi-CPU usage) is no proof? 

    No MMO, even the F2P-Crap, dares today to be released devoid of content and performing as badly as this. FF XIV had the worst launch since Vanguard:

    Nothing to do apart from leveling every job aimlessly. The question is: for what? There is no high-end content for which you'd need the Items and skills you grind hours on end. 

    This game is completely devoid of meaningful content and that has nothing to do with "work in progress". An MMO today launches with enough content to at least hold the interest of the hardcore crowd at least four to six months, otherwise the game just gets dumped. 

     

     

  • PresbytierPresbytier Member UncommonPosts: 424

    Originally posted by udon

    Originally posted by Presbytier

    Originally posted by udon

    Originally posted by Presbytier

    Originally posted by Seffren

    Originally posted by geldonyetich

    Back on topic, I think the keyphrase here is seeing is believing.  Right now, people are going to see what Square-Enix intended to release: a solid foundation.  Not a perfect foundation, but if you pay attention to the patches lately, and know the rather differences between open beta and release, then it' clear significant developer effort is being spent on taking care of the structural faults.  Then you move on to the content, which is intended to be built atop that foundation, of which we can already see placeholders in the game (placeholders which apparently annoy people because they're there and not done).

    Ah ok, so now the content gets postponed because of the focus on foundation.

    It does seem like a better reason then that it got postponed because of beta.

    I'm thrilled to know what the next reason will be.

    Honestly I think we need to put our expectations on hold and recognize reality; this is a MMORPG and no MMORPG has released with all the content that players want. MMOs by their very nature are a work in progress. This is not a bad game; it has allot going for it. Is it where I want it? No, but I also realize that this is the nature of the beast.

    Now here is where we as the player have to make a decision: are we going to wait till it is where we want it or are we going to play it as it progresses to that point. Ideally every MMO would release in a 100% finished state, unfortunately  not a single MMO in the history of MMOs has ever done this. So we are faced with the reality that all MMOs launch with bugs, server problems, and a lack of endgame content.

     


    What’s clear to me is that SE put the least amount of work possible into a PC port of the PS3 game they wanted to make then rushed it to market to fund the last stage of development of the real game which is being released on the PS3 next year. 


     


    It will be a long time before I seriously look at another SE title on release day again.

    This is really a stupid statement; there is absolutely no proof that this is a PS3 port to PC. This is how all MMOs launch. All MMOs launch as a work in progress; if you want to wait till it is better fine, but please stop making stupid conspiracy statements like that.

     


    Then they hired a bunch of high school computer club students to write their PC UI and graphics engine.


     


    It’s one or the other because no one who has any professional experience writing PC software could have looked at this mess of a interface and been happy with it.

    And you know this because you have made UIs for how many PC games? Is the UI weird? Yes, but lets cut the over blown rhetoric out and just stick to the facts.

    "Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game."-Guybrush Threepwood
    "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me."-Hunter S. Thompson

  • ArdusArdus Member Posts: 84

    Originally posted by Presbytier

    Originally posted by udon

    Originally posted by Presbytier

    Originally posted by Seffren

    Originally posted by geldonyetich

    Back on topic, I think the keyphrase here is seeing is believing.  Right now, people are going to see what Square-Enix intended to release: a solid foundation.  Not a perfect foundation, but if you pay attention to the patches lately, and know the rather differences between open beta and release, then it' clear significant developer effort is being spent on taking care of the structural faults.  Then you move on to the content, which is intended to be built atop that foundation, of which we can already see placeholders in the game (placeholders which apparently annoy people because they're there and not done).

    Ah ok, so now the content gets postponed because of the focus on foundation.

    It does seem like a better reason then that it got postponed because of beta.

    I'm thrilled to know what the next reason will be.

    Honestly I think we need to put our expectations on hold and recognize reality; this is a MMORPG and no MMORPG has released with all the content that players want. MMOs by their very nature are a work in progress. This is not a bad game; it has allot going for it. Is it where I want it? No, but I also realize that this is the nature of the beast.

    Now here is where we as the player have to make a decision: are we going to wait till it is where we want it or are we going to play it as it progresses to that point. Ideally every MMO would release in a 100% finished state, unfortunately  not a single MMO in the history of MMOs has ever done this. So we are faced with the reality that all MMOs launch with bugs, server problems, and a lack of endgame content.

     


    What’s clear to me is that SE put the least amount of work possible into a PC port of the PS3 game they wanted to make then rushed it to market to fund the last stage of development of the real game which is being released on the PS3 next year. 


     


    It will be a long time before I seriously look at another SE title on release day again.

    This is really a stupid statement; there is absolutely no proof that this is a PS3 port to PC. This is how all MMOs launch. All MMOs launch as a work in progress; if you want to wait till it is better fine, but please stop making stupid conspiracy statements like that.

    Now you are just being ignorant. Its pretty obvious that the game interface is designed with PS3 in mind. the manual even recommends using a gamepad.

  • PresbytierPresbytier Member UncommonPosts: 424

    Originally posted by Ardus

    Originally posted by Presbytier

    Originally posted by udon

    Originally posted by Presbytier

    Originally posted by Seffren

    Originally posted by geldonyetich

    Back on topic, I think the keyphrase here is seeing is believing.  Right now, people are going to see what Square-Enix intended to release: a solid foundation.  Not a perfect foundation, but if you pay attention to the patches lately, and know the rather differences between open beta and release, then it' clear significant developer effort is being spent on taking care of the structural faults.  Then you move on to the content, which is intended to be built atop that foundation, of which we can already see placeholders in the game (placeholders which apparently annoy people because they're there and not done).

    Ah ok, so now the content gets postponed because of the focus on foundation.

    It does seem like a better reason then that it got postponed because of beta.

    I'm thrilled to know what the next reason will be.

    Honestly I think we need to put our expectations on hold and recognize reality; this is a MMORPG and no MMORPG has released with all the content that players want. MMOs by their very nature are a work in progress. This is not a bad game; it has allot going for it. Is it where I want it? No, but I also realize that this is the nature of the beast.

    Now here is where we as the player have to make a decision: are we going to wait till it is where we want it or are we going to play it as it progresses to that point. Ideally every MMO would release in a 100% finished state, unfortunately  not a single MMO in the history of MMOs has ever done this. So we are faced with the reality that all MMOs launch with bugs, server problems, and a lack of endgame content.

     


    What’s clear to me is that SE put the least amount of work possible into a PC port of the PS3 game they wanted to make then rushed it to market to fund the last stage of development of the real game which is being released on the PS3 next year. 


     


    It will be a long time before I seriously look at another SE title on release day again.

    This is really a stupid statement; there is absolutely no proof that this is a PS3 port to PC. This is how all MMOs launch. All MMOs launch as a work in progress; if you want to wait till it is better fine, but please stop making stupid conspiracy statements like that.

    Now you are just being ignorant. Its pretty obvious that the game interface is designed with PS3 in mind. the manual even recommends using a gamepad.

    That does not make it a port, just a multy-platform game.

    "Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game."-Guybrush Threepwood
    "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me."-Hunter S. Thompson

  • PresbytierPresbytier Member UncommonPosts: 424

    Originally posted by Clubmaster22

    Originally posted by Presbytier

    This is really a stupid statement; there is absolutely no proof that this is a PS3 port to PC. This is how all MMOs launch. All MMOs launch as a work in progress; if you want to wait till it is better fine, but please stop making stupid conspiracy statements like that.

    Interface/battleengine/menues designed for pads, engine optimized for multicore (>2) totally neglecting GPU (it almost doesn't matter if you have an 8800 GT or 480 GTX, the game runs like shit as long as you don't have I7-Multicore CPUs, which exactly caters to the PS3 architecture, a platform with a shitty GPU, less RAM than your average smartphone and extremely dependend on multi-CPU usage) is no proof? 

    I am running the game on High settings(with AO turned off) on a four year old laptop with a 2ghz Intel Centrino proccesor and a Nvidia (really old something) card with 512 mb of dedicated graphics memory with absolutely no lag(for the exception of the notorious casting lag). So, please explain to me why you can't run it.

    "Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game."-Guybrush Threepwood
    "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me."-Hunter S. Thompson

  • ArdusArdus Member Posts: 84

    Originally posted by Presbytier

    Originally posted by Ardus

    Originally posted by Presbytier

    Originally posted by udon

    Originally posted by Presbytier

    Originally posted by Seffren

    Originally posted by geldonyetich

    Back on topic, I think the keyphrase here is seeing is believing.  Right now, people are going to see what Square-Enix intended to release: a solid foundation.  Not a perfect foundation, but if you pay attention to the patches lately, and know the rather differences between open beta and release, then it' clear significant developer effort is being spent on taking care of the structural faults.  Then you move on to the content, which is intended to be built atop that foundation, of which we can already see placeholders in the game (placeholders which apparently annoy people because they're there and not done).

    Ah ok, so now the content gets postponed because of the focus on foundation.

    It does seem like a better reason then that it got postponed because of beta.

    I'm thrilled to know what the next reason will be.

    Honestly I think we need to put our expectations on hold and recognize reality; this is a MMORPG and no MMORPG has released with all the content that players want. MMOs by their very nature are a work in progress. This is not a bad game; it has allot going for it. Is it where I want it? No, but I also realize that this is the nature of the beast.

    Now here is where we as the player have to make a decision: are we going to wait till it is where we want it or are we going to play it as it progresses to that point. Ideally every MMO would release in a 100% finished state, unfortunately  not a single MMO in the history of MMOs has ever done this. So we are faced with the reality that all MMOs launch with bugs, server problems, and a lack of endgame content.

     


    What’s clear to me is that SE put the least amount of work possible into a PC port of the PS3 game they wanted to make then rushed it to market to fund the last stage of development of the real game which is being released on the PS3 next year. 


     


    It will be a long time before I seriously look at another SE title on release day again.

    This is really a stupid statement; there is absolutely no proof that this is a PS3 port to PC. This is how all MMOs launch. All MMOs launch as a work in progress; if you want to wait till it is better fine, but please stop making stupid conspiracy statements like that.

    Now you are just being ignorant. Its pretty obvious that the game interface is designed with PS3 in mind. the manual even recommends using a gamepad.

    That does not make it a port, just a multy-platform game.

    Multi-platform games usualy have their controls and interface revamped in each different  version, to make sure its optimized for  each of the platforms in question.  FFXIV is poorly adjusted for PC both in terms of coding and ingame controls/interface. 

  • PresbytierPresbytier Member UncommonPosts: 424

    Originally posted by Ardus

    Originally posted by Presbytier

    Originally posted by Ardus

    Originally posted by Presbytier

    Originally posted by udon

    Originally posted by Presbytier

    Originally posted by Seffren

    Originally posted by geldonyetich

    Back on topic, I think the keyphrase here is seeing is believing.  Right now, people are going to see what Square-Enix intended to release: a solid foundation.  Not a perfect foundation, but if you pay attention to the patches lately, and know the rather differences between open beta and release, then it' clear significant developer effort is being spent on taking care of the structural faults.  Then you move on to the content, which is intended to be built atop that foundation, of which we can already see placeholders in the game (placeholders which apparently annoy people because they're there and not done).

    Ah ok, so now the content gets postponed because of the focus on foundation.

    It does seem like a better reason then that it got postponed because of beta.

    I'm thrilled to know what the next reason will be.

    Honestly I think we need to put our expectations on hold and recognize reality; this is a MMORPG and no MMORPG has released with all the content that players want. MMOs by their very nature are a work in progress. This is not a bad game; it has allot going for it. Is it where I want it? No, but I also realize that this is the nature of the beast.

    Now here is where we as the player have to make a decision: are we going to wait till it is where we want it or are we going to play it as it progresses to that point. Ideally every MMO would release in a 100% finished state, unfortunately  not a single MMO in the history of MMOs has ever done this. So we are faced with the reality that all MMOs launch with bugs, server problems, and a lack of endgame content.

     


    What’s clear to me is that SE put the least amount of work possible into a PC port of the PS3 game they wanted to make then rushed it to market to fund the last stage of development of the real game which is being released on the PS3 next year. 


     


    It will be a long time before I seriously look at another SE title on release day again.

    This is really a stupid statement; there is absolutely no proof that this is a PS3 port to PC. This is how all MMOs launch. All MMOs launch as a work in progress; if you want to wait till it is better fine, but please stop making stupid conspiracy statements like that.

    Now you are just being ignorant. Its pretty obvious that the game interface is designed with PS3 in mind. the manual even recommends using a gamepad.

    That does not make it a port, just a multy-platform game.

    Multi-platform games usualy have their controls and interface revamped in each different  version, to make sure its optimized for the platform in question.  FFXIV is poorly adjusted for PC both in terms of coding and ingame controls/interface. 

    I will agree that the UI is not built with a PC in mind, but I still have to say that that does not make it a port it just was a bad design choice IMO.

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  • Clubmaster22Clubmaster22 Member Posts: 279

    Originally posted by Presbytier

    I am running the game on High settings(with AO turned off) on a four year old laptop with a 2ghz Intel Centrino proccesor and a Nvidia (really old something) card with 512 mb of dedicated graphics memory with absolutely no lag(for the exception of the notorious casting lag). So, please explain to me why you can't run it.

    Sorry but i call sheanigans. I have a notebook just like yours and it runs with 15 FPS at best on low settings. My main desktop-PC that is just used for gaming and is very well maintained (3,4 GHz Dualcore, 260 GTX, 4 GB RAM, Windows 7 64bit) runs this at barely 30 fps when there's not much going on and drops way below 20 in every other enviroment (questhubs, cities). Add the lag (all the servers are located in japan atm) and it's unplayable. 

  • Clubmaster22Clubmaster22 Member Posts: 279

    Originally posted by Ardus

    Multi-platform games usualy have their controls and interface revamped in each different  version, to make sure its optimized for  each of the platforms in question.  FFXIV is poorly adjusted for PC both in terms of coding and ingame controls/interface. 

    It is not adjusted at all. The mere fact that they had to be pushed to even bother to implement hardware-mouse support speaks volumes about their interest in the PC-Version. They are not interested in the PC-Version at all. And they probably don't even know better (PC-Gaming is not that common in japan). 

  • MMO.MaverickMMO.Maverick Member CommonPosts: 7,619

    Originally posted by Clubmaster22

    Originally posted by cyphers

    Can't really argue with such figures, eh? image

    Well you could, if you put in the effort to actually make up your own mind (strange concept, i know). When you do this you come up with something like this:

    FF XII was an attempt to implement MMO-Gameplay into a single-player game. The result was great in the eyes of a lot of the press and a lot of the gamers.

    FF XII was a trainwreck and everyone knows that.  It was better than XIII but that's not saying much.

    There, fixed it for you. Get over your gripes with the Final Fantasy series and realise that your very subjective opinion isn't the opinion of the majority of people, as the awards they got, the reviews and the majority of FFXII player reports state.

    'everyone knows that'? Lol, what a joke. All the information available proves the contrary, besides why would you care what 'everyone else thinks' or that everyone has to feel the same way you felt about FFXII? I thought you weren't insecure and that you could 'make up your own mind'?

    If you suddenly need the confirmation of 'everyone' agreeing with your taste, ignoring the truth and all the facts so easily available on wiki and other sources, then your statement of 'making up your own mind' is nothing but hypocrisy.

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  • ArdusArdus Member Posts: 84

    i wholeheartly agree with you mr cleese, and the facts that you are pointing out simply proves how lazy and stuck up their own asses SE really are. Seriously, faling to adjust a MMORPG to fit for the PC is like failing to optimize a super mario-esque platform game to run on a console. It was something you could get away with back in 1999, but not with todays market and competition.

    With that being said, i will not be surprised if the PS3 version of the game sucks even more and makes the controls and interface in the PC version look smooth and user friendly in comparison. thats what they did with FFXI, and square has already proved countless of times that they dont listen to feedback from their customers.

  • PresbytierPresbytier Member UncommonPosts: 424

    Originally posted by Clubmaster22

    Originally posted by Presbytier

    I am running the game on High settings(with AO turned off) on a four year old laptop with a 2ghz Intel Centrino proccesor and a Nvidia (really old something) card with 512 mb of dedicated graphics memory with absolutely no lag(for the exception of the notorious casting lag). So, please explain to me why you can't run it.

    Sorry but i call sheanigans. I have a notebook just like yours and it runs with 15 FPS at best on low settings. My main desktop-PC that is just used for gaming and is very well maintained (3,4 GHz Dualcore, 260 GTX, 4 GB RAM, Windows 7 64bit) runs this at barely 30 fps when there's not much going on and drops way below 20 in every other enviroment (questhubs, cities). Add the lag (all the servers are located in japan atm) and it's unplayable. 

    Nope it runs on my computer here is my exact specs.

     

    Dell Inspiron 1520 Specs:


    • Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo T7300 (2.0 GHz/4MB L2 Cache)

    • OS: MICROSOFT WINDOWS 7 (64 BIT)

    • Hard Drive: 160 GB SATA @ 5400RPM

    • Screen: 15.4" WSXGA Widescreen (1680 x 1050)

    • Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT 256MB

    • RAM: 2.0GB DDR2 SDRAM @667 MHz (2 x 1GB)

    • Optical Drive: 8x CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW) w/Double Layer Support

    • Battery: 9-cell lithium ion

    • Wireless: Intel 4965AGN

    • Weight: 6.4 lbs

    • Dimensions: 1.47-1.65” (H) x 14.12 “ (W) x 10.59" (D) 

    • Ports/Slots: 1 IEEE 1394 (FireWire); 4 Universal Serial Bus (USB 2.0); 8-in-1 Memory Card Reader; VGA Out; S-Video; RJ-45 Ethernet LAN; RJ-11 Modem; ExpressCard 54mm; stereo in, headphone/speaker out and dual digital mics

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  • konrad16660konrad16660 Member Posts: 182

    hahhahhahahahahahahahaha omg, I think that another guy said it best in the post when he said that an unfinished release doesn't pass like 2002.  Yea, a game these days is usually only as good as its release.  Unless its like WoW, where it got even bigger.  SE doesn't have the leverage like it used too and they are losing more and more clout with the exceeding number of bombs that they are publishing.  I can honestly say that I have a feeling that this game may actually die of become a very very minor MMO in the scene.  This game is crap any way you look at it.  Ill say that there are good points in every game.  But honestly.....a monthly subscription for this?  Especially with all the other MMOs that are out there on the market?  Please, people have options now.  Even SE fans are jumping ship on this one.  I should know, I'm one of them.  Grab a life raft, this ship is going down.

  • PresbytierPresbytier Member UncommonPosts: 424

    Originally posted by konrad16660

    hahhahhahahahahahahahaha omg, I think that another guy said it best in the post when he said that an unfinished release doesn't pass like 2002.  Yea, a game these days is usually only as good as its release.  Unless its like WoW, where it got even bigger.  SE doesn't have the leverage like it used too and they are losing more and more clout with the exceeding number of bombs that they are publishing.  I can honestly say that I have a feeling that this game may actually die of become a very very minor MMO in the scene.  This game is crap any way you look at it.  Ill say that there are good points in every game.  But honestly.....a monthly subscription for this?  Especially with all the other MMOs that are out there on the market?  Please, people have options now.  Even SE fans are jumping ship on this one.  I should know, I'm one of them.  Grab a life raft, this ship is going down.

    What bombs has SE had recently? Also all the servers are still full; we won't know what kind of longevity this game will have for another two months. So, lets cut the crap.

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  • NetSageNetSage Member UncommonPosts: 1,059

    Originally posted by Ardus

    i wholeheartly agree with you mr cleese, and the facts that you are pointing out simply proves how lazy and stuck up their own asses SE really are. Seriously, faling to adjust a MMORPG to fit for the PC is like failing to optimize a super mario-esque platform game to run on a console. It was something you could get away with back in 1999, but not with todays market and competition.

    With that being said, i will not be surprised if the PS3 version of the game sucks even more and makes the controls and interface in the PC version look smooth and user friendly in comparison. thats what they did with FFXI, and square has already proved countless of times that they dont listen to feedback from their customers.

    Honestly don't see how that's possible.  I'm basically using a playstation controller on the PC and have no issue.  And, well this actually the second time they didn't adapt a game well to the PC in the mmorpg world.  FFXI survived and I don't see why XIV won't as it's a lot better than XI was.

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