I dn't think both games are going for the same thing and therefore will have different players. The ones that both works for can actually play both since GW2 have no monthly fees.
So the people it will take from Wow are the people that both games fit but with not enough time for 2 games, and the ones with very limited wallets.
No, it won't kill Wow even if it is possible that it gets more players.
The threat to Wow is coming from more traditional games, next year it is Rift and after that probably games like Copernicus.
But they wont kill Wow either, Wow did not kill EQ. Wow will continue with 150K players for the next 8-10 years at least.
Being the WoW killer means being able convince all the current WoW subscriber to give up their progress in WoW after years of grinding.
That...seems impossible.
I gave it up pretty easily. I don't even dislike the game and I didn't need another MMO to pull me away. My friends are still playing it but I have no interest in joining them.
So it is possible.
Now see if you can convince your friends to play GW2.
The fact that people still think this "WoW killer" is out there is just foolish. GW2 is going to be a great game no doubt but seeing as its not going to have a sub wow players that would want to play will just buy it and play both. If anything blizzard will kill wow.
Bobby Kotick is hard at work developing a way to kill WoW. After months of R&D his gaggle of scientists is considering asking Roper to join the dev team and as a special bonus derek smart (small caps mine) will be the new community manager.
GW2 is B2P, which for many people is much more appealing than P2P games.
The race and proffession of your characters changes the personal storyline for the game, and the storyline itself can be slightly changed in many ways depending on yoru choices throughout the game
GW1 brought an amazing storyline to a MMO, which is difficult to do, and if gw2 can do the same thing, i have no doubt that (even if it doesnt KILL wow) it will have a pretty decent dent in it.
the dynamic events. Although what you do in the game will not have a PERMANENT effect in the game (Example-if you save someone's house in an event or a town, after a while the event will reoccur destroying it if no one is there to save it or if someone doesnt save it) the fact is, the world will change so much, people can replay the game without repeating the EXACT same things from lvl 1-80.
the sidekick system. it will allow low lvls to somewhat experience high lvl content before they get there, and for us non-altoholics, we can go back on our lvl 80 to help friends, and experience content that we might have missed or experience it in a different way (via the dynamic events changing the maps constantly) without having to create a whole new character.
finally the combat system. while being a fairly simple system, it has complex components in it (ie learning the different skill combos, dodging spells/arrows, etc).
now as i said, WoW killer... maybe not. but definitely gonna put a dent in it
You would have to define kill...IF you mean the game closes, no.
UO is still around, EQ did not kill it, EQ is still around, EQ2 is still around, DAoC is still around, heck Vanguard with almost zero money spent on it is still around...
So no, no game is going to 'kill' WoW, even WoW2 wouldn't kill WoW, people have a hard time giving up on a game they spent so much time on...If something even knocked off 25% of their subs, I would probably define that as about as much 'kill' as you are going to get.
I played WoW beta, and didn't like it, it felt like a mix between a couple games, it felt like DAoC, and another game that escapes my memory, its been a while. Like DAoC, that at the time didn't have world pvp purpose...I know things have changed, but I can only speak to my beta time.
I would say lets see what GW2 REALLY delivers, before we talk about what its going to kill, I am getting a WAR feeling, from all the hype. I sure hope its great, I am not playing anything and I am looking to play Rift and GW2, maybe swtor, but I have a bad feeling about it....
So my version of kill I think is about as far as anything is going to get in the short term, WoW makes enough money to fight like hell against this though. So I am sure they will not take it laying down.
I voted no.. not because I think GW2 is going to be a bad game, but because I'm hoping, and don't see it going after the same large market that WoW went after.. WoW is like the King of entry level MMO gaming.. I'm hoping that GW2 is more, whch means it will not attract a lot of the WoW players.. So far the trailers look great
I don't get why people say "It has no sub fee, so why quit one over the other -- play both!!"
I understand that there's lots of children, students, and unemployed people playing video games... but to assume money is the only thing holding back people from playing mulltiple games is kinda silly. I'd have to say for many people it would be TIME and not money holding people back. If you can afford the game in the first place, and afford a computer to play it on, and the internet connection required, you can probably afford +/- $15.
People generally play whatever is good, but since MMORPGs require a bit of (time) investment, most people won't want to spread their time out too thin. There's 4-6 MMORPGs out or coming out soon that I'd love to play, but you'd have to have a ludicrous amount of free time to be able to meaningfully play all of them at the same time.
GW2 Will not kill wow and Wow will not hurt GW2 why? Because tho they have alot of alike content such as ui and other small things they are both their own expericance. You dont go into wow thinking that you are going to solo your way to end game and you dont go into GW thinking that you need a group for everything. No mmo has ever died because of another mmo. MMO's die because people dont like them. I think cata will remain on top only because it has its feet firmly on the ground they can try new stuff as their old stuff worked and people are ready to move on. GW tho i think will be good they are breaking into a market that you need to be ready with your A game Wow will die when Blizzard deems it more affordable to just shut off the servers and same goes with GW2 or 1 for that matter.
I put a "yes" just because I'm a very positive person, but there's only one way for GW2 to put a dent in WoW, and that's for people to try it. WoW, as we all know, becomes a pure grind-fest once you're at raiding level. I was raiding three to four nights a week. On the "off days", you're grinding away for other stuff... dailys for badges, herbs, ore, whatever for other things... it becomes a job. So, with GW2s B2P model, perhaps some WoW people will try it and, simply put, get hooked. They'll go back to WoW for raiding, but a couple of those off days will be spent in GW2 instead. Then, maybe they skip out on a raid because they're pushing their personal story with friends, or trying a new dungeon. Eventually, some will stop going back to WoW except to recruit other people. Then they cancel their sub.
That's how I can see GW2 putting a dent in WoW, by people trying both and settling on their favorite. GW2 has the potential to be a favorite for many, many people.
I dont think it will kill WoW but Im sure they will feel the hit when GW2 goes live. I also think it will bring new players into the mix. I have friends that hate MMORPGs and like what I have shown them about GW2.
with that said
But never say it cant happen.IF this game turns out to be mega awesome and offers all the goodness and polish that WOW has for free it just may be the one.
I can see it now in general chat "our epic guild is leaving for Guild Wars 2 ZOMG its AWESOME!!!!11!!!"
There could be a mass exodus. When this game hits Cataclysm will be months old and WoW subscribers are just iching for an excuse to leave a game they have played to death.
Ha. to the people that think a B2P can kill WoW the P2P. Only a P2P can kill a P2P U can play a free game or a b2p while playing WoW so It can't really kill it. It can only live alongside it and be successful itself. P2Ps are the only MMOs that can kill WoW. P2Ps always have to try to kill WoW because it is dominating Their market no B2P can kill P2P because you can play both at same time. U can;t play 2 P2Ps because u will be wasting money so you choose the one u like most and that one wins your opinion and gets more people in the market. WOW is dominating That market. GW2 can't join that market...SO it can't kill the leader of that market...
Ha. to the people that think a B2P can kill WoW the P2P. Only a P2P can kill a P2P U can play a free game or a b2p while playing WoW so It can't really kill it. It can only live alongside it and be successful itself.
What a rubbish, if Gw2 offer me more entertainment then WoW, why in the hell would i keep playing WoW and stay subscribed to it?
What GW2 does offer is that you dont have to leave your current game per se, which is in Anet's favour, so its easy to just pick up GW2 from the store and decide from there. But dusnt mean that people wont cancel their subs from their old game if GW2 gives them more enjoyment then their old game.
If GW2 is going to be what its promise to be, imo the P2P model is going to get a very very hard time. From what i read so far they offer the same and maybe even more then then the P2P games
Ha. to the people that think a B2P can kill WoW the P2P. Only a P2P can kill a P2P U can play a free game or a b2p while playing WoW so It can't really kill it. It can only live alongside it and be successful itself. P2Ps are the only MMOs that can kill WoW. P2Ps always have to try to kill WoW because it is dominating Their market no B2P can kill P2P because you can play both at same time. U can;t play 2 P2Ps because u will be wasting money so you choose the one u like most and that one wins your opinion and gets more people in the market. WOW is dominating That market. GW2 can't join that market...SO it can't kill the leader of that market...
You didn't bother to think that through before you posted, did you? C'mon, admit it, it's ok. A lot of times passion will overwrite common sense at a particular moment and in reflection you realize the err of your ways.
Here's your err.
Joe is a relatively bored WoW addict, been playing for years. He has to. He was a hardcore raider, raiding a few times a week, but then Cataclysm came out a while ago. Since then his guild has been racing to get back to their raiding status, which means everyone is learning the new system, grinding levels, grinding gear, etc. Joe made it to level 85 and has been running heroics with his guild for gear.
Then GW2 comes out. Joe needs a little break. Nothing major, but GW2 is B2P, so he can buy it and play it with no sub and still make it to his heroic runs with his guild no problem. OK, problem. GW2... this is fun! It's so different from WoW and a blast. Joe misses a heroic run... well, no problem, it's only heroics and they're still not really ready to raid. Joe plays more GW2, pops into WoW and ... grinds. Hmm. More GW2 with it's lack of grind and fun play style... more WoW and ... grinding. More GW2, more... well, another night off from WoW won't hurt. >>> Fast forwards... Joe doesn't spend much time in WoW anymore. He's fallen a little behind, but he doesn't really care. This dungeon is GW2 is tough, and it's a blast! At some point, Joe doesn't keep his WoW subscription going anymore. He's now saving $15/mo and having more fun than ever.
Its time of release will certainly be a factor. Based on my personal experiences with WoW, I notice there tends to be an ebb and flow with the WoW population. Entire guilds take several month-long breaks from the game when content becomes stagnant. That doesn't mean they want to get away from MMOs in general, just that they're tired of zerging the same heroics day in and day out and farming the same raid twice a week. Many of these players are actually starving for another good MMO. If GW2 were to be released a month or so prior to Cataclysm's release, and if it were to live up to its current expectations, it could snag all those WoW players who have been hibernating until Cata. Of course that is all but out of the question, however.
Alternatively, Anet could wait until the first lul in Cata's excitement occurs, which could be anywhere from 5-10 months in. It certainly seems like there will be an abundant of new features and content in Cata to keep even those who burn out faster than most entertained for a while.
Regardless, there will be many many players fully enthralled with WoW at the time of GW2's release. These players simply won't be inclined to up and leave WoW immediately. However, like I said, every single WoW player I've ever known over the past 5 years has gotten bored and taken a break from the game at some point, for a variety of reasons. If they each decide to try GW2--a game that everyone may be raving about if it turns out to be as good as it sounds--one by one or collectivly with a group of friends during their breaks away from WoW, they may get hooked to the new MMO and never look back.
It's so difficult to foresee WoW's end because it's simply so dominant at the moment. If anything is certain though, it's that WoW, like EQ and UO and all its great MMO predecessors, will eventually fall, whether to great new next gen MMOs or simple advancements in technology.
Is it inconceivable that an amazing new MMO could come along and receive rave reviews by critics and players alike? Not at all.
Is it inconceivable that WoW players who take breaks from the game at some point, which always has and always will continue to happen, decide to try the amazing new MMO either individually or collectively with other gaming buddies? Certainly not.
Is it inconceivable that many players enjoy the new MMO so much that they are absolved of all desire to return to WoW? Not really, although even the best MMO in the history of the world will lose players to boredom at various stages. Perhaps some will return to Azeroth then to see what's going on.
Conclusion:
WoW is still going strong right now and it doesn't appear to be slowing down with arguably its most revolutionary expansion on the way in a little over a month. However, if a new MMO is simply amazing enough, it will get attention. All serious MMO players, WoW players included, will know of the new great game. And when that inevitable time comes when the WoW player wants to take a break, they may very likely give the new MMO a try, and they may very well enjoy it enough to stick around. It would be a very gradual process to be sure. Could GW2 be this new great MMO? I don't know, but it's looking good so far.
for sure, i think there are a few games coming out that look pretty good (GW2, Rift, SWTOR), but nothing is gonna "kill" WoW. lol. i don't really get a kick out of WoW myself, but i know strait up, that it's not gonna just flat out die when some new game comes out. if they lost players, they would just merge servers. happens all the time in MMORPGs. they would still bring in enough revenue to keep them going for some time.
Joe is a relatively bored WoW addict, been playing for years. He has to. He was a hardcore raider, raiding a few times a week, but then Cataclysm came out a while ago. Since then his guild has been racing to get back to their raiding status, which means everyone is learning the new system, grinding levels, grinding gear, etc. Joe made it to level 85 and has been running heroics with his guild for gear.
Then GW2 comes out. Joe needs a little break. Nothing major, but GW2 is B2P, so he can buy it and play it with no sub and still make it to his heroic runs with his guild no problem. OK, problem. GW2... this is fun! It's so different from WoW and a blast. Joe misses a heroic run... well, no problem, it's only heroics and they're still not really ready to raid. Joe plays more GW2, pops into WoW and ... grinds. Hmm. More GW2 with it's lack of grind and fun play style... more WoW and ... grinding. More GW2, more... well, another night off from WoW won't hurt. >>> Fast forwards... Joe doesn't spend much time in WoW anymore. He's fallen a little behind, but he doesn't really care. This dungeon is GW2 is tough, and it's a blast! At some point, Joe doesn't keep his WoW subscription going anymore. He's now saving $15/mo and having more fun than ever.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Ha. to the people that think a B2P can kill WoW the P2P. Only a P2P can kill a P2P U can play a free game or a b2p while playing WoW so It can't really kill it. It can only live alongside it and be successful itself. P2Ps are the only MMOs that can kill WoW. P2Ps always have to try to kill WoW because it is dominating Their market no B2P can kill P2P because you can play both at same time. U can;t play 2 P2Ps because u will be wasting money so you choose the one u like most and that one wins your opinion and gets more people in the market. WOW is dominating That market. GW2 can't join that market...SO it can't kill the leader of that market...
You didn't bother to think that through before you posted, did you? C'mon, admit it, it's ok. A lot of times passion will overwrite common sense at a particular moment and in reflection you realize the err of your ways.
Here's your err.
Joe is a relatively bored WoW addict, been playing for years. He has to. He was a hardcore raider, raiding a few times a week, but then Cataclysm came out a while ago. Since then his guild has been racing to get back to their raiding status, which means everyone is learning the new system, grinding levels, grinding gear, etc. Joe made it to level 85 and has been running heroics with his guild for gear.
Then GW2 comes out. Joe needs a little break. Nothing major, but GW2 is B2P, so he can buy it and play it with no sub and still make it to his heroic runs with his guild no problem. OK, problem. GW2... this is fun! It's so different from WoW and a blast. Joe misses a heroic run... well, no problem, it's only heroics and they're still not really ready to raid. Joe plays more GW2, pops into WoW and ... grinds. Hmm. More GW2 with it's lack of grind and fun play style... more WoW and ... grinding. More GW2, more... well, another night off from WoW won't hurt. >>> Fast forwards... Joe doesn't spend much time in WoW anymore. He's fallen a little behind, but he doesn't really care. This dungeon is GW2 is tough, and it's a blast! At some point, Joe doesn't keep his WoW subscription going anymore. He's now saving $15/mo and having more fun than ever.
for sure, i think there are a few games coming out that look pretty good (GW2, Rift, SWTOR), but nothing is gonna "kill" WoW. lol. i don't really get a kick out of WoW myself, but i know strait up, that it's not gonna just flat out die when some new game comes out. if they lost players, they would just merge servers. happens all the time in MMORPGs. they would still bring in enough revenue to keep them going for some time.
Well, they did make the dungeon finder tool so you can find groups cross servers and that makes merges less needed but you are right, Wow is pretty stable and a game like that wont just lie down and die. UO and EQ is still around after all.
Wow wont die for a long time but GW2 or some other of the new games might dethrone it and I think that is what most people mean with the term Wow killer.
Just liked to point out that most if not all people who are saying GW2 or any other game is a wow killer are wow haters/don't play or like wow in general. I don't play wow but GW2 will not take away any major population from wow. Most wow players won't even know about GW2 because they in general don't care about other games. The ones who will come from wow, and that is a very small population, will be those who quit wow in the meantime and decide to try something else. New game can't just make a normal wow player (which i'm referring to mostly a raider) stop playing wow because it has dynamic events or etc... Guilds, friends, passion, and competition are some of the reasons why it can't. Now with GW2 subsription system, there will be even lesser chance of wow losing subscriptions due to no monthly fee for GW2 so they can freely continue subscribing to wow and play GW2 from time to time. Plus GW2 is a game that can be level capped in just a matter of weeks, and I don't think it could keep a lot of attention for gamers that like to raid pve content at the end game which is what most wow community is.
First of all, a lot of the ArenaNet founders are former Blizzard employees who from all I've heard left amicably. I doubt they have this irrational hatred of WOW or need to "kill WOW" that I've seen from other developers (cough Mythic cough).
Secondly, GW 1 outsold most non-WOW MMOs in terms of box sales. So I have no doubt that GW 2 will be one of the most popular next-gen MMOs. The beauty is you can play it AND a P2P MMO without busting the bank. I fully expect to be rocking a jedi in TOR and a Norn ranger in GW 2 come this time next year.
Thirdly, GW 2 major competition will come from Diablo 3, not WOW. They're both at heart action-rpgs and buy-to-play. GW 2 looks to have way more depth and features, but never underestimate the power Blizzard has over its fanbase.
Ha. to the people that think a B2P can kill WoW the P2P. Only a P2P can kill a P2P U can play a free game or a b2p while playing WoW so It can't really kill it. It can only live alongside it and be successful itself. P2Ps are the only MMOs that can kill WoW. P2Ps always have to try to kill WoW because it is dominating Their market no B2P can kill P2P because you can play both at same time. U can;t play 2 P2Ps because u will be wasting money so you choose the one u like most and that one wins your opinion and gets more people in the market. WOW is dominating That market. GW2 can't join that market...SO it can't kill the leader of that market...
You didn't bother to think that through before you posted, did you? C'mon, admit it, it's ok. A lot of times passion will overwrite common sense at a particular moment and in reflection you realize the err of your ways.
Here's your err.
Joe is a relatively bored WoW addict, been playing for years. He has to. He was a hardcore raider, raiding a few times a week, but then Cataclysm came out a while ago. Since then his guild has been racing to get back to their raiding status, which means everyone is learning the new system, grinding levels, grinding gear, etc. Joe made it to level 85 and has been running heroics with his guild for gear.
Then GW2 comes out. Joe needs a little break. Nothing major, but GW2 is B2P, so he can buy it and play it with no sub and still make it to his heroic runs with his guild no problem. OK, problem. GW2... this is fun! It's so different from WoW and a blast. Joe misses a heroic run... well, no problem, it's only heroics and they're still not really ready to raid. Joe plays more GW2, pops into WoW and ... grinds. Hmm. More GW2 with it's lack of grind and fun play style... more WoW and ... grinding. More GW2, more... well, another night off from WoW won't hurt. >>> Fast forwards... Joe doesn't spend much time in WoW anymore. He's fallen a little behind, but he doesn't really care. This dungeon is GW2 is tough, and it's a blast! At some point, Joe doesn't keep his WoW subscription going anymore. He's now saving $15/mo and having more fun than ever.
Welcome home, Joe.
Pure win
What if Joe thought the game was a big bag of turd?
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I dn't think both games are going for the same thing and therefore will have different players. The ones that both works for can actually play both since GW2 have no monthly fees.
So the people it will take from Wow are the people that both games fit but with not enough time for 2 games, and the ones with very limited wallets.
No, it won't kill Wow even if it is possible that it gets more players.
The threat to Wow is coming from more traditional games, next year it is Rift and after that probably games like Copernicus.
But they wont kill Wow either, Wow did not kill EQ. Wow will continue with 150K players for the next 8-10 years at least.
Need I say more ?
Agree. GW cant kill WoW, and WoW cant kill GW either. Frankly, I dont care who is the dead one. I just want to play new games everyday.
Now see if you can convince your friends to play GW2.
The fact that people still think this "WoW killer" is out there is just foolish. GW2 is going to be a great game no doubt but seeing as its not going to have a sub wow players that would want to play will just buy it and play both. If anything blizzard will kill wow.
Bobby Kotick is hard at work developing a way to kill WoW. After months of R&D his gaggle of scientists is considering asking Roper to join the dev team and as a special bonus derek smart (small caps mine) will be the new community manager.
GW2 is B2P, which for many people is much more appealing than P2P games.
The race and proffession of your characters changes the personal storyline for the game, and the storyline itself can be slightly changed in many ways depending on yoru choices throughout the game
GW1 brought an amazing storyline to a MMO, which is difficult to do, and if gw2 can do the same thing, i have no doubt that (even if it doesnt KILL wow) it will have a pretty decent dent in it.
the dynamic events. Although what you do in the game will not have a PERMANENT effect in the game (Example-if you save someone's house in an event or a town, after a while the event will reoccur destroying it if no one is there to save it or if someone doesnt save it) the fact is, the world will change so much, people can replay the game without repeating the EXACT same things from lvl 1-80.
the sidekick system. it will allow low lvls to somewhat experience high lvl content before they get there, and for us non-altoholics, we can go back on our lvl 80 to help friends, and experience content that we might have missed or experience it in a different way (via the dynamic events changing the maps constantly) without having to create a whole new character.
finally the combat system. while being a fairly simple system, it has complex components in it (ie learning the different skill combos, dodging spells/arrows, etc).
now as i said, WoW killer... maybe not. but definitely gonna put a dent in it
You would have to define kill...IF you mean the game closes, no.
UO is still around, EQ did not kill it, EQ is still around, EQ2 is still around, DAoC is still around, heck Vanguard with almost zero money spent on it is still around...
So no, no game is going to 'kill' WoW, even WoW2 wouldn't kill WoW, people have a hard time giving up on a game they spent so much time on...If something even knocked off 25% of their subs, I would probably define that as about as much 'kill' as you are going to get.
I played WoW beta, and didn't like it, it felt like a mix between a couple games, it felt like DAoC, and another game that escapes my memory, its been a while. Like DAoC, that at the time didn't have world pvp purpose...I know things have changed, but I can only speak to my beta time.
I would say lets see what GW2 REALLY delivers, before we talk about what its going to kill, I am getting a WAR feeling, from all the hype. I sure hope its great, I am not playing anything and I am looking to play Rift and GW2, maybe swtor, but I have a bad feeling about it....
So my version of kill I think is about as far as anything is going to get in the short term, WoW makes enough money to fight like hell against this though. So I am sure they will not take it laying down.
I voted no.. not because I think GW2 is going to be a bad game, but because I'm hoping, and don't see it going after the same large market that WoW went after.. WoW is like the King of entry level MMO gaming.. I'm hoping that GW2 is more, whch means it will not attract a lot of the WoW players.. So far the trailers look great
I don't get why people say "It has no sub fee, so why quit one over the other -- play both!!"
I understand that there's lots of children, students, and unemployed people playing video games... but to assume money is the only thing holding back people from playing mulltiple games is kinda silly. I'd have to say for many people it would be TIME and not money holding people back. If you can afford the game in the first place, and afford a computer to play it on, and the internet connection required, you can probably afford +/- $15.
People generally play whatever is good, but since MMORPGs require a bit of (time) investment, most people won't want to spread their time out too thin. There's 4-6 MMORPGs out or coming out soon that I'd love to play, but you'd have to have a ludicrous amount of free time to be able to meaningfully play all of them at the same time.
GW2 Will not kill wow and Wow will not hurt GW2 why? Because tho they have alot of alike content such as ui and other small things they are both their own expericance. You dont go into wow thinking that you are going to solo your way to end game and you dont go into GW thinking that you need a group for everything. No mmo has ever died because of another mmo. MMO's die because people dont like them. I think cata will remain on top only because it has its feet firmly on the ground they can try new stuff as their old stuff worked and people are ready to move on. GW tho i think will be good they are breaking into a market that you need to be ready with your A game Wow will die when Blizzard deems it more affordable to just shut off the servers and same goes with GW2 or 1 for that matter.
P.S sorry about grammer and spelling.
I put a "yes" just because I'm a very positive person, but there's only one way for GW2 to put a dent in WoW, and that's for people to try it. WoW, as we all know, becomes a pure grind-fest once you're at raiding level. I was raiding three to four nights a week. On the "off days", you're grinding away for other stuff... dailys for badges, herbs, ore, whatever for other things... it becomes a job. So, with GW2s B2P model, perhaps some WoW people will try it and, simply put, get hooked. They'll go back to WoW for raiding, but a couple of those off days will be spent in GW2 instead. Then, maybe they skip out on a raid because they're pushing their personal story with friends, or trying a new dungeon. Eventually, some will stop going back to WoW except to recruit other people. Then they cancel their sub.
That's how I can see GW2 putting a dent in WoW, by people trying both and settling on their favorite. GW2 has the potential to be a favorite for many, many people.
Oderint, dum metuant.
I dont think it will kill WoW but Im sure they will feel the hit when GW2 goes live. I also think it will bring new players into the mix. I have friends that hate MMORPGs and like what I have shown them about GW2.
with that said
But never say it cant happen.IF this game turns out to be mega awesome and offers all the goodness and polish that WOW has for free it just may be the one.
I can see it now in general chat "our epic guild is leaving for Guild Wars 2 ZOMG its AWESOME!!!!11!!!"
There could be a mass exodus. When this game hits Cataclysm will be months old and WoW subscribers are just iching for an excuse to leave a game they have played to death.
Just my opinion
Ha. to the people that think a B2P can kill WoW the P2P. Only a P2P can kill a P2P U can play a free game or a b2p while playing WoW so It can't really kill it. It can only live alongside it and be successful itself. P2Ps are the only MMOs that can kill WoW. P2Ps always have to try to kill WoW because it is dominating Their market no B2P can kill P2P because you can play both at same time. U can;t play 2 P2Ps because u will be wasting money so you choose the one u like most and that one wins your opinion and gets more people in the market. WOW is dominating That market. GW2 can't join that market...SO it can't kill the leader of that market...
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What a rubbish, if Gw2 offer me more entertainment then WoW, why in the hell would i keep playing WoW and stay subscribed to it?
What GW2 does offer is that you dont have to leave your current game per se, which is in Anet's favour, so its easy to just pick up GW2 from the store and decide from there. But dusnt mean that people wont cancel their subs from their old game if GW2 gives them more enjoyment then their old game.
If GW2 is going to be what its promise to be, imo the P2P model is going to get a very very hard time. From what i read so far they offer the same and maybe even more then then the P2P games
You didn't bother to think that through before you posted, did you? C'mon, admit it, it's ok. A lot of times passion will overwrite common sense at a particular moment and in reflection you realize the err of your ways.
Here's your err.
Joe is a relatively bored WoW addict, been playing for years. He has to. He was a hardcore raider, raiding a few times a week, but then Cataclysm came out a while ago. Since then his guild has been racing to get back to their raiding status, which means everyone is learning the new system, grinding levels, grinding gear, etc. Joe made it to level 85 and has been running heroics with his guild for gear.
Then GW2 comes out. Joe needs a little break. Nothing major, but GW2 is B2P, so he can buy it and play it with no sub and still make it to his heroic runs with his guild no problem. OK, problem. GW2... this is fun! It's so different from WoW and a blast. Joe misses a heroic run... well, no problem, it's only heroics and they're still not really ready to raid. Joe plays more GW2, pops into WoW and ... grinds. Hmm. More GW2 with it's lack of grind and fun play style... more WoW and ... grinding. More GW2, more... well, another night off from WoW won't hurt. >>> Fast forwards... Joe doesn't spend much time in WoW anymore. He's fallen a little behind, but he doesn't really care. This dungeon is GW2 is tough, and it's a blast! At some point, Joe doesn't keep his WoW subscription going anymore. He's now saving $15/mo and having more fun than ever.
Welcome home, Joe.
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Nah. Although Guild Wars 2 looks and sounds fantastic, it won't be killing anything. I agree entirely with the OP.
Its time of release will certainly be a factor. Based on my personal experiences with WoW, I notice there tends to be an ebb and flow with the WoW population. Entire guilds take several month-long breaks from the game when content becomes stagnant. That doesn't mean they want to get away from MMOs in general, just that they're tired of zerging the same heroics day in and day out and farming the same raid twice a week. Many of these players are actually starving for another good MMO. If GW2 were to be released a month or so prior to Cataclysm's release, and if it were to live up to its current expectations, it could snag all those WoW players who have been hibernating until Cata. Of course that is all but out of the question, however.
Alternatively, Anet could wait until the first lul in Cata's excitement occurs, which could be anywhere from 5-10 months in. It certainly seems like there will be an abundant of new features and content in Cata to keep even those who burn out faster than most entertained for a while.
Regardless, there will be many many players fully enthralled with WoW at the time of GW2's release. These players simply won't be inclined to up and leave WoW immediately. However, like I said, every single WoW player I've ever known over the past 5 years has gotten bored and taken a break from the game at some point, for a variety of reasons. If they each decide to try GW2--a game that everyone may be raving about if it turns out to be as good as it sounds--one by one or collectivly with a group of friends during their breaks away from WoW, they may get hooked to the new MMO and never look back.
It's so difficult to foresee WoW's end because it's simply so dominant at the moment. If anything is certain though, it's that WoW, like EQ and UO and all its great MMO predecessors, will eventually fall, whether to great new next gen MMOs or simple advancements in technology.
Is it inconceivable that an amazing new MMO could come along and receive rave reviews by critics and players alike? Not at all.
Is it inconceivable that WoW players who take breaks from the game at some point, which always has and always will continue to happen, decide to try the amazing new MMO either individually or collectively with other gaming buddies? Certainly not.
Is it inconceivable that many players enjoy the new MMO so much that they are absolved of all desire to return to WoW? Not really, although even the best MMO in the history of the world will lose players to boredom at various stages. Perhaps some will return to Azeroth then to see what's going on.
Conclusion:
WoW is still going strong right now and it doesn't appear to be slowing down with arguably its most revolutionary expansion on the way in a little over a month. However, if a new MMO is simply amazing enough, it will get attention. All serious MMO players, WoW players included, will know of the new great game. And when that inevitable time comes when the WoW player wants to take a break, they may very likely give the new MMO a try, and they may very well enjoy it enough to stick around. It would be a very gradual process to be sure. Could GW2 be this new great MMO? I don't know, but it's looking good so far.
for sure, i think there are a few games coming out that look pretty good (GW2, Rift, SWTOR), but nothing is gonna "kill" WoW. lol. i don't really get a kick out of WoW myself, but i know strait up, that it's not gonna just flat out die when some new game comes out. if they lost players, they would just merge servers. happens all the time in MMORPGs. they would still bring in enough revenue to keep them going for some time.
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Well, they did make the dungeon finder tool so you can find groups cross servers and that makes merges less needed but you are right, Wow is pretty stable and a game like that wont just lie down and die. UO and EQ is still around after all.
Wow wont die for a long time but GW2 or some other of the new games might dethrone it and I think that is what most people mean with the term Wow killer.
Just liked to point out that most if not all people who are saying GW2 or any other game is a wow killer are wow haters/don't play or like wow in general. I don't play wow but GW2 will not take away any major population from wow. Most wow players won't even know about GW2 because they in general don't care about other games. The ones who will come from wow, and that is a very small population, will be those who quit wow in the meantime and decide to try something else. New game can't just make a normal wow player (which i'm referring to mostly a raider) stop playing wow because it has dynamic events or etc... Guilds, friends, passion, and competition are some of the reasons why it can't. Now with GW2 subsription system, there will be even lesser chance of wow losing subscriptions due to no monthly fee for GW2 so they can freely continue subscribing to wow and play GW2 from time to time. Plus GW2 is a game that can be level capped in just a matter of weeks, and I don't think it could keep a lot of attention for gamers that like to raid pve content at the end game which is what most wow community is.
First of all, a lot of the ArenaNet founders are former Blizzard employees who from all I've heard left amicably. I doubt they have this irrational hatred of WOW or need to "kill WOW" that I've seen from other developers (cough Mythic cough).
Secondly, GW 1 outsold most non-WOW MMOs in terms of box sales. So I have no doubt that GW 2 will be one of the most popular next-gen MMOs. The beauty is you can play it AND a P2P MMO without busting the bank. I fully expect to be rocking a jedi in TOR and a Norn ranger in GW 2 come this time next year.
Thirdly, GW 2 major competition will come from Diablo 3, not WOW. They're both at heart action-rpgs and buy-to-play. GW 2 looks to have way more depth and features, but never underestimate the power Blizzard has over its fanbase.
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