hey at least someone is calling a game something other than a wow clone. They are calling it a WAR clone. This is progress people!
I would call it a multi-clone. It "borrowed" (almost verbatim on some things) things from WAR, WoW, and perhaps a few other MMOs. That wouldn't have been such a major issue but the problem is they didn't improve on anything they borrowed and in fact took steps backwards on most things.
Why try to copy WoW anyway, you'll just fail and look silly doing it. Designers need to grow a pair and think for themselves, WoW is the king and that's not going to change anytime soon. Perhaps one day the self-proclaimed titles of "We're Next Generation!" will actually hold water. Perhaps.
Let's see, Vanguard, The Chronicles of Spellborn, Tabula Rasa, Mortal Online, APB and FFXIV did quite some things differently, didn't really work out for them now, did it?
People complain that it's too different and that they (the devs) should adopt the proven MMO game mechanics, then people say with another MMO that it's too much the same and it should be more different, there's always something to complain about, as if when this or that has been changed it suddenly would make all the difference. While the last 5 years has shown that those never really are the root problems.
Why that? Because if being very different was the magical solution, people would have been playing all those different MMORPG's a lot more instead of hanging around in those MMORPG's with the same old boring game mechanics for years that they claim they dislike so much.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
I havnt been following this game very closely but are you sure it uses the same client as WAR?
If so, lol! Another unplayable server crashing 2 fps funfest! woo!
FPS is a big concern in Rift. I have a very new gaming rig and the lowest I saw it go was 5 FPS in the newbie area, I was crawling.
you're rig must suck then my wife is playing on a fricken piece of crap PC
2..0 dual core
4gigs memory
geforce 8400 (LOL told you it was a piece of crap)
and she runs the game on low and does ok a lot better than 5 fps so spare me your BS please
No BS, it's a very good rig. Please don't take offense, just stating the truth about my beta experience.
not taking offense just think something is wrong on your end, like i said I was actually surprised when my wifes rig could run the game and then said "holy **** it doesn't run half bad".
so buddy it something on your end.
Sorry, but just because it runs fine for you doesnt mean it will run fine for someone else, for all you know the game doesnt work well with his specific video card, which, you know, would be teh games fault.
Really i figured mmo gamers would know this.
I do know this, unfortunately i have seen too many times someone coming to a forum complaining that their "awesome gaming rig" should be able to run "anything" but when it can't they blame the game when its actually something on their end.
especially on MMORPG.com where it seems all the jaded "i hate everything" cesspool come to complain about MMOs not meeting their standards. they will find any reason to bash a game.
Did you not read up on the beta forums about the FPS issue? There were many threads covering the issue, I'm surprised you didn't see any. At any rate, when the beta forums come back up you can go read up yourself.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
hey at least someone is calling a game something other than a wow clone. They are calling it a WAR clone. This is progress people!
I would call it a multi-clone. It "borrowed" (almost verbatim on some things) things from WAR, WoW, and perhaps a few other MMOs. That wouldn't have been such a major issue but the problem is they didn't improve on anything they borrowed and in fact took steps backwards on most things.
Why try to copy WoW anyway, you'll just fail and look silly doing it. Designers need to grow a pair and think for themselves, WoW is the king and that's not going to change anytime soon. Perhaps one day the self-proclaimed titles of "We're Next Generation!" will actually hold water. Perhaps.
Let's see, Vanguard, The Chronicles of Spellborn, Tabula Rasa, Mortal Online, APB and FFXIV did quite some things differently, didn't really work out for them now, did it?
People complain that it's too different and that they (the devs) should adopt the proven MMO game mechanics, then people say with another MMO that it's too much the same and it should be more different, there's always something to complain about, as if when this or that has been changed it suddenly would make all the difference. While the last 5 years has shown that those never really are the root problems.
Why that? Because if being very different was the magical solution, people would have been playing all those different MMORPG's a lot more instead of hanging around in those MMORPG's with the same old boring game mechanics for years that they claim they dislike so much.
If you're going to try and copy WAR, WoW, and other MMOs out there, you had darn well better make sure you can one-up them. Rift failed in their attempt.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
If this game even resembles WAR then it fails IMO. Toss in the fact that people who built WAR were ever allowed to provide input into the games design has greatly reduced my interest in it. Sounds like once again there's nothing new here to see, time to move along folks.
With experience comes knowledge. They will most likely not repeat the same mistakes they've made in the past. Which hopefully means their new game will be an improvement.
People complaining about the graphics and GUI being similar to this game or that game are forgetting that graphics are only part of the package. Graphics don't make a game. Sure, they might make a game pretty, but that's all.
It seems to me a lot of people hold grudges against the developers of failed projects, and write off any of their future projects as imminent failures. People make mistakes, don't hold it against them. "I can't hate for long. It isn't worth it." - William Saroyan
If you're going to try and copy WAR, WoW, and other MMOs out there, you had darn well better make sure you can one-up them. Rift failed in their attempt.
According to you. According to others, they succeeded in making a good MMORPG (dont know if they ever said that they wanted to be a copy of WAR or WoW, somehow I doubt it). Now who's right, eh?
Besides, that wasn't a real answer to my post, in which I said that it doesn't matter if it's really different, being different or innovative isn't a magical solution, because for the most part it's just talk: a lot of people say they want something new or different, but in the end they don't really want to play something that's really different. There's a lot of different MMORPG's out there currently - see my former list - that really very few people are playing, and I'm willing to bet that the majority of those complainers for something new or different have never player those and even now choose to ignore them.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
If you're going to try and copy WAR, WoW, and other MMOs out there, you had darn well better make sure you can one-up them. Rift failed in their attempt.
According to you. According to others, they succeeded in making a good MMORPG (dont know if they ever said that they wanted to be a copy of WAR or WoW, somehow I doubt it). Now who's right, eh?
Besides, that wasn't a real answer to my post, in which I said that it doesn't matter if it's really different, being different or innovative isn't a magical solution, because for the most part it's just talk: a lot of people say they want something new or different, but in the end they don't really want to play something that's really different. There's a lot of different MMORPG's out there currently - see my former list - that really very few people are playing, and I'm willing to bet that the majority of those complainers for something new or different have never player those and even now choose to ignore them.
I hate to break it to you but this game is nowhere near as good as WoW, WAR, or other popular MMOs out there. Sure, there will be some people who play it but it's not going to be a major player, it's just not that good a game.
As far as your list goes, there's plenty of WoW-like knockoffs that suck too, so what? The point is, Rift tried to copy the dragon and got burned. It's just not a very good game. You might disagree and that's fine, I'm only stating my opinion...which happens to be shared by many others.
My guess is that Rift will sell a lot of copies and then die off like FF did. Once the novelty wears off, people will be left with just a mediocre game.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
I hate to break it to you but this game is nowhere near as good as WoW, WAR, or other popular MMOs out there. Sure, there will be some people who play it but it's not going to be a major player, it's just not that good a game.
As far as your list goes, there's plenty of WoW-like knockoffs that suck too, so what? The point is, Rift tried to copy the dragon and got burned. It's just not a very good game. You might disagree and that's fine, I'm only stating my opinion...which happens to be shared by many others.
My guess is that Rift will sell a lot of copies and then die off like FF did. Once the novelty wears off, people will be left with just a mediocre game.
Care to elaborate why it's not nowhere near as good as WoW, WAR, or other MMOs? You didn't really break anything to him. Give reasons. I understand it's your opinion, but please back it up with something. There has to be reasons you didn't think it's as good and isn't a good game, right?
I hate to break it to you but this game is nowhere near as good as WoW, WAR, or other popular MMOs out there. Sure, there will be some people who play it but it's not going to be a major player, it's just not that good a game.
As far as your list goes, there's plenty of WoW-like knockoffs that suck too, so what? The point is, Rift tried to copy the dragon and got burned. It's just not a very good game. You might disagree and that's fine, I'm only stating my opinion...which happens to be shared by many others.
My guess is that Rift will sell a lot of copies and then die off like FF did. Once the novelty wears off, people will be left with just a mediocre game.
I don't know where you have been, but WAR was a big disaster and seen as such by the gaming world with the rapid decline in subs to prove it objectively.
Rift got burnt? Lol, are you for real?Rift hasn't even been launched yet!God, you're hilarious, I almost sprayed my keyboard when drinking when I read that, thanks for the good laugh
I'm just pointing out the sheer illogical idiocy in the expectations and arguments of people, or maybe it's hypocrisy. Saying it's the same and nothing new, then they crawl back to their same old MMORPG with the same old game mechanics they claim to be so bored with. Or saying that they want something different, but they ignore all the current different MMORPG's that are available to play.
Shrug. Doesn't matter. Everyone has their own preferences and tastes, the sub numbers will show how Rift will do in the end, for better or worse.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
I hate to break it to you but this game is nowhere near as good as WoW, WAR, or other popular MMOs out there. Sure, there will be some people who play it but it's not going to be a major player, it's just not that good a game.
As far as your list goes, there's plenty of WoW-like knockoffs that suck too, so what? The point is, Rift tried to copy the dragon and got burned. It's just not a very good game. You might disagree and that's fine, I'm only stating my opinion...which happens to be shared by many others.
My guess is that Rift will sell a lot of copies and then die off like FF did. Once the novelty wears off, people will be left with just a mediocre game.
Care to elaborate why it's not nowhere near as good as WoW, WAR, or other MMOs? You didn't really break anything to him. Give reasons. I understand it's your opinion, but please back it up with something. There has to be reasons you didn't think it's as good and isn't a good game, right?
Nothing Rift has done is better than those games. Nothing. There is no "next generation" in Rift, it's just cloned concepts from other designers. Rifts=poor quality PQs in WAR. The combat is horribly boring. The quests are absolutely painful, boring and nothing new. The game is just a cheap ripoff of other games. The only nice thing I can say about the game is the soul system but even that needs tweaking ASAP if it's going to work at all. Everything else in Rift is poorly designed and implemented. Everything.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
I hate to break it to you but this game is nowhere near as good as WoW, WAR, or other popular MMOs out there. Sure, there will be some people who play it but it's not going to be a major player, it's just not that good a game.
As far as your list goes, there's plenty of WoW-like knockoffs that suck too, so what? The point is, Rift tried to copy the dragon and got burned. It's just not a very good game. You might disagree and that's fine, I'm only stating my opinion...which happens to be shared by many others.
My guess is that Rift will sell a lot of copies and then die off like FF did. Once the novelty wears off, people will be left with just a mediocre game.
I don't know where you have been, but WAR was a big disaster and seen as such by the gaming world with the rapid decline in subs to prove it objectively.
Rift got burnt? Lol, are you for real?Rift hasn't even been launched yet!God, you're hilarious, I almost sprayed my keyboard when drinking when I read that, thanks for the good laugh
I'm just pointing out the sheer illogical idiocy in the expectations and arguments of people, or maybe it's hypocrisy. Saying it's the same and nothing new, then they crawl back to their same old MMORPG with the same old game mechanics they claim to be so bored with. Or saying that they want something different, but they ignore all the current different MMORPG's that are available to play.
Shrug. Doesn't matter. Everyone has their own preferences and tastes, the sub numbers will show how Rift will do in the end, for better or worse.
WAR has issues but is still a fun game to play, especially after playing Rift.
What's hypocritical about what I said? What exactly about Rift is so "next generation" and awesome? Please, I'd like to know what's so great about the game that makes it better than WoW, WAR, and other titles out there.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
I havnt been following this game very closely but are you sure it uses the same client as WAR?
If so, lol! Another unplayable server crashing 2 fps funfest! woo!
FPS is a big concern in Rift. I have a very new gaming rig and the lowest I saw it go was 5 FPS in the newbie area, I was crawling.
you're rig must suck then my wife is playing on a fricken piece of crap PC
2..0 dual core
4gigs memory
geforce 8400 (LOL told you it was a piece of crap)
and she runs the game on low and does ok a lot better than 5 fps so spare me your BS please
You know, in beta's alot of times the clients are very unstable, might run okay on some setups, and very bad on good setups... Back in AoC beta i had also recently just got a new PC, and some patches the game ran so horrible on my rig and great on others that had much worse rig then me.
So just becasue the current version of the game likes your girlfriend's PC dosent mean the client is awesome.
Also im sure he exctagerated (no idea how to spell this word) when he said he got 5 fps, but the point is the client isnt very stable and it dosent run smooth on all systems, as it should. (eventually ofc, its still in beta so cant really complain about this until its released)
And i had pretty crappy FPS i dont know how much exactly as i never checked the few hours i played. But i could clearly see it was under 20 fps in some of the areas when it was abit crowded. I should be able too get alot more imo as the game dosent look that great. But as i said above still beta and its unstable so its ok.
And just too compare i play Mount and Blade: Warband with everything on max settings (i know not the best comparison and it dosent have the best graphics, but looks good enough) and i get 100fps with 200 people on screen.
Also im sure he exctagerated (no idea how to spell this word) when he said he got 5 fps,
No bud, I was watching the meter. 5 FPS was the low, I'm not making it up. I was getting 10 FPS regularly at times in the newbie area. This is well documented in the beta forums, it's a known issue with Rift.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
WAR has issues but is still a fun game to play, especially after playing Rift.
What's hypocritical about what I said? What exactly about Rift is so "next generation" and awesome? Please, I'd like to know what's so great about the game that makes it better than WoW, WAR, and other titles out there.
Lol. Why? You've already shown in your posting a clear disgust for everything non-sandboxy - how this combines with loving to play WAR boggles the mind, but alright, but every other non-sandbox MMORPG you're already heavily prejudiced against.
Proof? There has been quite a number of posts where people posted what they thought was fun or enjoyable in Rift that provided an answer to your question, but you just chose to ignore and 'forget' them all.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
WAR has issues but is still a fun game to play, especially after playing Rift.
What's hypocritical about what I said? What exactly about Rift is so "next generation" and awesome? Please, I'd like to know what's so great about the game that makes it better than WoW, WAR, and other titles out there.
Lol. Why? You've already shown in your posting a clear disgust for everything non-sandboxy - how this combines with loving to play WAR boggles the mind, but alright, but every other non-sandbox MMORPG you're already heavily prejudiced against.
Proof? There has been quite a number of posts where people posted what they thought was fun or enjoyable in Rift, but you just chose to ignore and 'forget' them all.
No please, I'd like to know what it is about Rift that you think "next generation" and awesome. Please share with us. I don't care what other people are saying, I'd like to hear from you specifically. Or did you even play beta?
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
No please, I'd like to know what it is about Rift that you think "next generation" and awesome. Please share with us. I don't care what other people are saying, I'd like to hear from you specifically. Or did you even play beta?
Sigh. Here it goes, sandbox lover, hopefully this helps your 'amnesia': the soul system is a nice twist on the class+talent tree setup and offers more flexibility than in many other MMO games, the rifts at the peak of their action can be pretty awesome and have more dynamics in them than the Public Quests in WAR, if they can manage to let it go all out as at the end of this weekend, then it should be a welcome change from the questing, I hunted rifts for a while, and it sure was fun. Graphics, not bad at all, not the best I've seen, but from the current MMORPG's I'd personally only rate AoC's and FFXIV's better, and Aion's character models, not Aion's environment though.
Next generation? Don't think so, but the way people meant this, I doubt any MMORPG has been 'next gen' or revolutionary, maybe only UO and EQ when they came out and made a distinct difference from the MMO games that came before. But great fun, sure, that it was.
Originally posted by Elidien
If you don't want what Rift offers, fine go play Eve or Perpetum or whatever and leave Rift to those of us who like the game and accept it for what it is.
That's another thing. If people really are into sandbox type MMORPG's that much or into glorifying old school MMO's, then they should really give MMO's as EVE or Perpetuum Online or Vanguard or other sortlike MMO's a try. Strangely enough (or maybe not), many of them you don't really see do that, instead they're just complaining constantly about the MMO's they dislike, instead of playing the type of MMORPG's they claim to like.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
No please, I'd like to know what it is about Rift that you think "next generation" and awesome. Please share with us. I don't care what other people are saying, I'd like to hear from you specifically. Or did you even play beta?
Sigh. Here it goes, sandbox lover, hopefully this helps your 'amnesia': the soul system is a nice twist on the class+talent tree setup and offers more flexibility than in many other MMO games,
The soul system can be nice if they make changes. As it is now, there's no reason to multi-soul at end game because the best talents are all at the top and bottom of the trees. I already said this was a nice feature or did you skip over that in my previous posts? It's interesting but not next generation.
the rifts at the peak of their action can be pretty awesome and have more dynamics in them than the Public Quests in WAR,
That's just flat out not true. More dynamics that PQs? C'mon, that's just silly. Rifts are the same thing over and over. At least in WAR there are many different PQs. Nothing new or next generation here.
if they can manage to let it go all out as at the end of this weekend, then it should be a welcome change from the questing, I hunted rifts for a while, and it sure was fun.
I thought they were boring and avoided them after the first few. Too many people, no loot drops from them, and just a waste of time. Nothing next generation here.
Graphics, not bad at all, not the best I've seen, but from the current MMORPG's I'd personally only rate AoC's and FFXIV's better, and Aion's character models, not Aion's environment though.
Graphics are not bad but certainly not next generation or awe inspiring.
Next generation? Don't think so, but the way people meant this, I doubt any MMORPG has been 'next gen' or revolutionary, maybe only UO and EQ when they came out and made a distinct difference from the MMO games that came before. But great fun, sure, that it was.
Well that's my point, Rift claims to be next generation but it's not, it's all recycled MMO content. As far as being fun, I found it to be one of the most boring MMOs I've ever played, and yes that includes theme parks I've played. If it's your thing that's cool but it's not better than WoW, WAR, or other good MMOs on the market and it's certainly NOT next generation. Not even close.
If you like the game then by all means buy it. You shouldn't get all riled up with these reviews and take it personally, everyone has their likes and dislikes. I found Rift to be one of the most boring games I've ever played but some people like it. Such is life.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
That's another thing. If people really are into sandbox type MMORPG's that much or into glorifying old school MMO's, then they should really give MMO's as EVE or Perpetuum Online or Vanguard or other sortlike MMO's a try. Strangely enough (or maybe not), many of them you don't really see do that, instead they're just complaining constantly about the MMO's they dislike, instead of playing the type of MMORPG's they claim to like.
So, we're only allowed to post good things about the games you like? Should we censor people who don't like games and only post the "positive" reviews? Nonsense.
I'm personally very grateful to those who spoke up about games like STO, MO, FF, and others so I didn't have to drop my dimes to buy that garbage. If you don't like reading these threads then go read a book or go outside for awhile. I personally come to MMORPG because I want to dig through ALL the information and come to my own conclusions on whether I want to purchase a game or not. My only goal is to warn others and seriously consider whether they want to buy Rift or not. If that offends you then maybe you shouldn't read these threads.
Nothing personal.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
Every MMO since EQ has been deemed "next generation". That's like saying every car is fuel effiicient - some come closer than others but mostly its empty words.
Well that's at least partially true, I'm not sure they all have claimed that but you're right, a lot of them have. And that's a good point and something all of us gamers need to realize. If we, as gamers, start calling them out on these things then perhaps we can get the BS out of the industry and get some higher quality games. I for one am tired of being lied to. There's been crappy MMO after crappy MMO released year after year after year.
It's time we stand up and tell them to cut the crap if we're going to expect better games. Fat chance of that happening though.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
No please, I'd like to know what it is about Rift that you think "next generation" and awesome. Please share with us. I don't care what other people are saying, I'd like to hear from you specifically. Or did you even play beta?
Sigh. Here it goes, sandbox lover, hopefully this helps your 'amnesia': the soul system is a nice twist on the class+talent tree setup and offers more flexibility than in many other MMO games,
The soul system can be nice if they make changes. As it is now, there's no reason to multi-soul at end game because the best talents are all at the top and bottom of the trees. I already said this was a nice feature or did you skip over that in my previous posts? It's interesting but not next generation.
What's this, you ask me specifically twice for my personal opinion, then when I reply you start talking about your personal tastes? Weird. I thought you wanted to hear my personal taste.
the rifts at the peak of their action can be pretty awesome and have more dynamics in them than the Public Quests in WAR,
That's just flat out not true. More dynamics that PQs? C'mon, that's just silly. Rifts are the same thing over and over. At least in WAR there are many different PQs. Nothing new or next generation here.
Right. Matter of opinion, I guess. If you think PQ's are that awesome, fine, stay with WAR
If you like the game then by all means buy it. You shouldn't get all riled up with these reviews and take it personally, everyone has their likes and dislikes. I found Rift to be one of the most boring games I've ever played but some people like it. Such is life.
Lol. Personally? Whether people like the game or not, I don't really care, after all, we all have different tastes and viewpoints. What I find often hilarious however is the flaws in argumentation and double standards that people are using in their judgements, which you also happen to see often on these forums.
If you found it the most boring experience ever in your MMO gaming experience, alright, I've no problem with that, to each his/her own. As I've stated several times the past day, everyone has different tastes and preferences in their MMO gaming. Play and let play, so to say
Originally posted by Zekiah
Originally posted by cyphers
That's another thing. If people really are into sandbox type MMORPG's that much or into glorifying old school MMO's, then they should really give MMO's as EVE or Perpetuum Online or Vanguard or other sortlike MMO's a try. Strangely enough (or maybe not), many of them you don't really see do that, instead they're just complaining constantly about the MMO's they dislike, instead of playing the type of MMORPG's they claim to like.
So, we're only allowed to post good things about the games you like? Should we censor people who don't like games and only post the "positive" reviews? Nonsense.
I'm personally very grateful to those who spoke up about games like STO, MO, FF, and others so I didn't have to drop my dimes to buy that garbage. If you don't like reading these threads then go read a book or go outside for awhile. I personally come to MMORPG because I want to dig through ALL the information and come to my own conclusions on whether I want to purchase a game or not. My only goal is to warn others and seriously consider whether they want to buy Rift or not. If that offends you then maybe you shouldn't read these threads.
Nothing personal.
Couldn't care less, as I already said, whether someone likes the games I like or dislikes them. Hey, if you don't want to read my posts, don't read them. Me, I'm having great fun hanging around these forums and debating. Especially pricking through the flaws or hypocrisies in the arguments of people, so why would I stop visiting these forums? It's a blast, really
Originally posted by Zekiah
It's time we stand up and tell them to cut the crap if we're going to expect better games. Fat chance of that happening though.
Nope. It's time that a lot of bored and jaded MMO gamers take a good, hard look at themselves in the mirror instead of complaining year after year, and ask themselves: if I don't enjoy MMO gaming that much anymore, and there even aren't any sandbox or oldschool type MMORPG's around anymore that I like to play or that will arrive in the near future, is this really the genre of gaming that I want to keep at? Or have I passed a point of no return when it comes to MMO's being enjoyable to me, and me not being burnt out on them?
A hard question, I know, but certainly a valid one. After all, wishing for years for something while all that time it hasn't come, do you really want to waste your time keeping on hoping in vain?
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
LOL.. The expected forum pvp from MMORPG.com users over a new game... It happens to them all, but this one is the most interesting, because some of what the "haterz" side is saying is actually true (from what i have researched about the game on the website and their official forums).. The video post with the same guy from Warhammer talking about Rift made me LOL.. At least they dont have that Barnett guy overhyping the game for them..
Despite whoever wins this pvp bout, i'm probably still going to think about checking this game out if it doesn't come out too late (keeping this hype going till Fall 2011 is NOT going to be in this game's favor).. The multitude of class/soul combinations makes for some curious builds and customization in character development, and I like my character development..
It's obvious that Rift is a lot like Warhammer. Some will say its a bad thing and some will say it's a good thing but in my opinion the market wants something new which is not like WoW but is as polished as WoW and this is not Rift. While it looks pretty good, it's still just the same old MMO. Simple sit and click combat and very little originality with races/factions.
On the surface it does look somewhat similar to Warhammer but with better graphics. That's not a bad thing imo as I enjoyed Warhammer, especially the pvp. I'm sure it plays nothing like Warhammer though, at least that is the impression I get from the beta testers.
hey at least someone is calling a game something other than a wow clone. They are calling it a WAR clone. This is progress people!
I would call it a multi-clone. It "borrowed" (almost verbatim on some things) things from WAR, WoW, and perhaps a few other MMOs. That wouldn't have been such a major issue but the problem is they didn't improve on anything they borrowed and in fact took steps backwards on most things.
Why try to copy WoW anyway, you'll just fail and look silly doing it. Designers need to grow a pair and think for themselves, WoW is the king and that's not going to change anytime soon. Perhaps one day the self-proclaimed titles of "We're Next Generation!" will actually hold water. Perhaps.
Let's see, Vanguard, The Chronicles of Spellborn, Tabula Rasa, Mortal Online, APB and FFXIV did quite some things differently, didn't really work out for them now, did it?
People complain that it's too different and that they (the devs) should adopt the proven MMO game mechanics, then people say with another MMO that it's too much the same and it should be more different, there's always something to complain about, as if when this or that has been changed it suddenly would make all the difference. While the last 5 years has shown that those never really are the root problems.
Why that? Because if being very different was the magical solution, people would have been playing all those different MMORPG's a lot more instead of hanging around in those MMORPG's with the same old boring game mechanics for years that they claim they dislike so much.
This, mmo players will never be happy, and thats why no dev gives a **** about trying to please them, because its like trying to please that wart on your foot, why bother? its still just a wart on your foot.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling" Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
Thats all this game is, they've reused everything from mechanics like PQ's and RvR all the way down to exact model's, skin and terrain textures, and animations. Why would anybody waste a dime on this crap, it has the same developers who got fired from EA Mythic for gods sake,are you really going to buy a game from the developers of Warhammer Online?? Look at the post-release patching of WAR, they didnt add a god damn thing worth note for over a year, and the stability of the client remains questionable at best, the same client that Rift will use.
Save your money for something better people, don't encourage this kind of blatantly lazy rehashing.
Yes. WAR was excellent idea , but poor execution.
In fact there is not a single thing where WAR fails on the paper (except scenarios - these are rubbish)
But it fails at execution.
Big EA fault. And perhaps crappy team.
So - no EA and different team - same idea = perhaps better game this time around.
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Let's see, Vanguard, The Chronicles of Spellborn, Tabula Rasa, Mortal Online, APB and FFXIV did quite some things differently, didn't really work out for them now, did it?
People complain that it's too different and that they (the devs) should adopt the proven MMO game mechanics, then people say with another MMO that it's too much the same and it should be more different, there's always something to complain about, as if when this or that has been changed it suddenly would make all the difference. While the last 5 years has shown that those never really are the root problems.
Why that? Because if being very different was the magical solution, people would have been playing all those different MMORPG's a lot more instead of hanging around in those MMORPG's with the same old boring game mechanics for years that they claim they dislike so much.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Did you not read up on the beta forums about the FPS issue? There were many threads covering the issue, I'm surprised you didn't see any. At any rate, when the beta forums come back up you can go read up yourself.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
If you're going to try and copy WAR, WoW, and other MMOs out there, you had darn well better make sure you can one-up them. Rift failed in their attempt.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
With experience comes knowledge. They will most likely not repeat the same mistakes they've made in the past. Which hopefully means their new game will be an improvement.
People complaining about the graphics and GUI being similar to this game or that game are forgetting that graphics are only part of the package. Graphics don't make a game. Sure, they might make a game pretty, but that's all.
It seems to me a lot of people hold grudges against the developers of failed projects, and write off any of their future projects as imminent failures. People make mistakes, don't hold it against them. "I can't hate for long. It isn't worth it." - William Saroyan
According to you. According to others, they succeeded in making a good MMORPG (dont know if they ever said that they wanted to be a copy of WAR or WoW, somehow I doubt it). Now who's right, eh?
Besides, that wasn't a real answer to my post, in which I said that it doesn't matter if it's really different, being different or innovative isn't a magical solution, because for the most part it's just talk: a lot of people say they want something new or different, but in the end they don't really want to play something that's really different. There's a lot of different MMORPG's out there currently - see my former list - that really very few people are playing, and I'm willing to bet that the majority of those complainers for something new or different have never player those and even now choose to ignore them.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
I hate to break it to you but this game is nowhere near as good as WoW, WAR, or other popular MMOs out there. Sure, there will be some people who play it but it's not going to be a major player, it's just not that good a game.
As far as your list goes, there's plenty of WoW-like knockoffs that suck too, so what? The point is, Rift tried to copy the dragon and got burned. It's just not a very good game. You might disagree and that's fine, I'm only stating my opinion...which happens to be shared by many others.
My guess is that Rift will sell a lot of copies and then die off like FF did. Once the novelty wears off, people will be left with just a mediocre game.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
Care to elaborate why it's not nowhere near as good as WoW, WAR, or other MMOs? You didn't really break anything to him. Give reasons. I understand it's your opinion, but please back it up with something. There has to be reasons you didn't think it's as good and isn't a good game, right?
I don't know where you have been, but WAR was a big disaster and seen as such by the gaming world with the rapid decline in subs to prove it objectively.
Rift got burnt? Lol, are you for real? Rift hasn't even been launched yet! God, you're hilarious, I almost sprayed my keyboard when drinking when I read that, thanks for the good laugh
I'm just pointing out the sheer illogical idiocy in the expectations and arguments of people, or maybe it's hypocrisy. Saying it's the same and nothing new, then they crawl back to their same old MMORPG with the same old game mechanics they claim to be so bored with. Or saying that they want something different, but they ignore all the current different MMORPG's that are available to play.
Shrug. Doesn't matter. Everyone has their own preferences and tastes, the sub numbers will show how Rift will do in the end, for better or worse.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Nothing Rift has done is better than those games. Nothing. There is no "next generation" in Rift, it's just cloned concepts from other designers. Rifts=poor quality PQs in WAR. The combat is horribly boring. The quests are absolutely painful, boring and nothing new. The game is just a cheap ripoff of other games. The only nice thing I can say about the game is the soul system but even that needs tweaking ASAP if it's going to work at all. Everything else in Rift is poorly designed and implemented. Everything.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
WAR has issues but is still a fun game to play, especially after playing Rift.
What's hypocritical about what I said? What exactly about Rift is so "next generation" and awesome? Please, I'd like to know what's so great about the game that makes it better than WoW, WAR, and other titles out there.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
You know, in beta's alot of times the clients are very unstable, might run okay on some setups, and very bad on good setups... Back in AoC beta i had also recently just got a new PC, and some patches the game ran so horrible on my rig and great on others that had much worse rig then me.
So just becasue the current version of the game likes your girlfriend's PC dosent mean the client is awesome.
Also im sure he exctagerated (no idea how to spell this word) when he said he got 5 fps, but the point is the client isnt very stable and it dosent run smooth on all systems, as it should. (eventually ofc, its still in beta so cant really complain about this until its released)
I got a new PC about 2 months ago,
XFX Radeon HD 5870 1GB GDDR5
AMD Phenom II X4 965
4gig memory.
And i had pretty crappy FPS i dont know how much exactly as i never checked the few hours i played. But i could clearly see it was under 20 fps in some of the areas when it was abit crowded. I should be able too get alot more imo as the game dosent look that great. But as i said above still beta and its unstable so its ok.
And just too compare i play Mount and Blade: Warband with everything on max settings (i know not the best comparison and it dosent have the best graphics, but looks good enough) and i get 100fps with 200 people on screen.
Currently Playing Path of Exile
No bud, I was watching the meter. 5 FPS was the low, I'm not making it up. I was getting 10 FPS regularly at times in the newbie area. This is well documented in the beta forums, it's a known issue with Rift.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
Lol. Why? You've already shown in your posting a clear disgust for everything non-sandboxy - how this combines with loving to play WAR boggles the mind, but alright, but every other non-sandbox MMORPG you're already heavily prejudiced against.
Proof? There has been quite a number of posts where people posted what they thought was fun or enjoyable in Rift that provided an answer to your question, but you just chose to ignore and 'forget' them all.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
No please, I'd like to know what it is about Rift that you think "next generation" and awesome. Please share with us. I don't care what other people are saying, I'd like to hear from you specifically. Or did you even play beta?
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
Sigh. Here it goes, sandbox lover, hopefully this helps your 'amnesia': the soul system is a nice twist on the class+talent tree setup and offers more flexibility than in many other MMO games, the rifts at the peak of their action can be pretty awesome and have more dynamics in them than the Public Quests in WAR, if they can manage to let it go all out as at the end of this weekend, then it should be a welcome change from the questing, I hunted rifts for a while, and it sure was fun. Graphics, not bad at all, not the best I've seen, but from the current MMORPG's I'd personally only rate AoC's and FFXIV's better, and Aion's character models, not Aion's environment though.
Next generation? Don't think so, but the way people meant this, I doubt any MMORPG has been 'next gen' or revolutionary, maybe only UO and EQ when they came out and made a distinct difference from the MMO games that came before. But great fun, sure, that it was.
That's another thing. If people really are into sandbox type MMORPG's that much or into glorifying old school MMO's, then they should really give MMO's as EVE or Perpetuum Online or Vanguard or other sortlike MMO's a try. Strangely enough (or maybe not), many of them you don't really see do that, instead they're just complaining constantly about the MMO's they dislike, instead of playing the type of MMORPG's they claim to like.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
If you like the game then by all means buy it. You shouldn't get all riled up with these reviews and take it personally, everyone has their likes and dislikes. I found Rift to be one of the most boring games I've ever played but some people like it. Such is life.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
So, we're only allowed to post good things about the games you like? Should we censor people who don't like games and only post the "positive" reviews? Nonsense.
I'm personally very grateful to those who spoke up about games like STO, MO, FF, and others so I didn't have to drop my dimes to buy that garbage. If you don't like reading these threads then go read a book or go outside for awhile. I personally come to MMORPG because I want to dig through ALL the information and come to my own conclusions on whether I want to purchase a game or not. My only goal is to warn others and seriously consider whether they want to buy Rift or not. If that offends you then maybe you shouldn't read these threads.
Nothing personal.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
Well that's at least partially true, I'm not sure they all have claimed that but you're right, a lot of them have. And that's a good point and something all of us gamers need to realize. If we, as gamers, start calling them out on these things then perhaps we can get the BS out of the industry and get some higher quality games. I for one am tired of being lied to. There's been crappy MMO after crappy MMO released year after year after year.
It's time we stand up and tell them to cut the crap if we're going to expect better games. Fat chance of that happening though.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
Lol. Personally? Whether people like the game or not, I don't really care, after all, we all have different tastes and viewpoints. What I find often hilarious however is the flaws in argumentation and double standards that people are using in their judgements, which you also happen to see often on these forums.
If you found it the most boring experience ever in your MMO gaming experience, alright, I've no problem with that, to each his/her own. As I've stated several times the past day, everyone has different tastes and preferences in their MMO gaming. Play and let play, so to say
Couldn't care less, as I already said, whether someone likes the games I like or dislikes them. Hey, if you don't want to read my posts, don't read them. Me, I'm having great fun hanging around these forums and debating. Especially pricking through the flaws or hypocrisies in the arguments of people, so why would I stop visiting these forums? It's a blast, really
Nope. It's time that a lot of bored and jaded MMO gamers take a good, hard look at themselves in the mirror instead of complaining year after year, and ask themselves: if I don't enjoy MMO gaming that much anymore, and there even aren't any sandbox or oldschool type MMORPG's around anymore that I like to play or that will arrive in the near future, is this really the genre of gaming that I want to keep at? Or have I passed a point of no return when it comes to MMO's being enjoyable to me, and me not being burnt out on them?
A hard question, I know, but certainly a valid one. After all, wishing for years for something while all that time it hasn't come, do you really want to waste your time keeping on hoping in vain?
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
LOL.. The expected forum pvp from MMORPG.com users over a new game... It happens to them all, but this one is the most interesting, because some of what the "haterz" side is saying is actually true (from what i have researched about the game on the website and their official forums).. The video post with the same guy from Warhammer talking about Rift made me LOL.. At least they dont have that Barnett guy overhyping the game for them..
Despite whoever wins this pvp bout, i'm probably still going to think about checking this game out if it doesn't come out too late (keeping this hype going till Fall 2011 is NOT going to be in this game's favor).. The multitude of class/soul combinations makes for some curious builds and customization in character development, and I like my character development..
OP is just a clueless troll.
It's obvious that Rift is a lot like Warhammer. Some will say its a bad thing and some will say it's a good thing but in my opinion the market wants something new which is not like WoW but is as polished as WoW and this is not Rift. While it looks pretty good, it's still just the same old MMO. Simple sit and click combat and very little originality with races/factions.
On the surface it does look somewhat similar to Warhammer but with better graphics. That's not a bad thing imo as I enjoyed Warhammer, especially the pvp. I'm sure it plays nothing like Warhammer though, at least that is the impression I get from the beta testers.
This, mmo players will never be happy, and thats why no dev gives a **** about trying to please them, because its like trying to please that wart on your foot, why bother? its still just a wart on your foot.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling"
Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
Yes. WAR was excellent idea , but poor execution.
In fact there is not a single thing where WAR fails on the paper (except scenarios - these are rubbish)
But it fails at execution.
Big EA fault. And perhaps crappy team.
So - no EA and different team - same idea = perhaps better game this time around.