I've been playing quite a lot doing quests, rifts, warfronts but also gathering, auctionning, dungeons ... and I'm level 21. So not even half way. The game has a lot to offer and is very polished. It is not that easy as people tend to say, but it's certainly not full-hardcore either. For me, it is simply enjoyable. As for the leveling speed, I find it perfect. If one only wants to focus on leveling, not looking around, just grinding, I don't mind him getting to 50 in 3 days. I will certainly be busy for three weeks, just like a lot of others. Also note thar RIFT already does has endgame raidrifts and dungeons available for the high levels as seen here http://www.g4tv.com/games/pc/63677/rift/articles/73643/Rift-End-Game-Raiding-Preview/
Oh you mean the GM / Dev that was running around on Sunrest? He was on my server too.... Nobody has reached level 50 yet give it a rest. Highest I seen was lvl 35. Maybe a lil higher.
Leveling speed in Rift is slower than WoW. Am surprised that EQ has 50s though. When bats in Freeport were giving me 1% towards level 2, I logged Leveling time != difficult, its tedious repetition.
Oh you mean the GM / Dev that was running around on Sunrest? He was on my server too.... Nobody has reached level 50 yet give it a rest. Highest I seen was lvl 35. Maybe a lil higher.
You're wrong.
Abomos and Erhoben from Spitescar PVP hit 50 yesterday. Erhoben was congratulated by a Trion GM, and then that GM also confirmed that he was World First.
I've been playing quite a bit and I'm only level 23. It just depends on what people's goal is with the game. I guarantee those people who rushed to 50 missed a large part of the game because leveling to 50 was their goal.
Oh you mean the GM / Dev that was running around on Sunrest? He was on my server too.... Nobody has reached level 50 yet give it a rest. Highest I seen was lvl 35. Maybe a lil higher.
You're wrong.
Abomos and Erhoben from Spitescar PVP hit 50 yesterday. Erhoben was congratulated by a Trion GM, and then that GM also confirmed that he was World First.
Yea, probably taking advantage of that XP exploit that was supposed to be fixed yesterday. Either that or this guy truely has no life. I thought I was bad. Staying up until 4-5 in the morning drinking rockstar energy drinks. I'm only lvl 30 , jeez , and that was non stop quest grinding with a partner.
I recall something happening close to that in CoH when it launched as well, people were reaching level cap way to quickly and they fixed it. Trion just needs to tweak down the experience reward by x% (quests a bit more). For the people comparing it to lvl 85 in WoW, I seem to remember it didn't start that high in level either. So comparing how long it takes to it launch level would be appropriate. As far as the crazies and abnormal types who just played for 60+ hours straight, great for them now they can move on to the next game and obsess about it. I only managed to get my four toons to lvl 10 over the weekend and I had to lose sleep a bit to do it. It's called having a life, I only get at most an hour or two a day to spend on games. That's what a casual gamer is, not some antisocial freak who lives in his mother's garage, hasn't taken a shower in days, and is playing so long he/she forgoes eating. Should they tweak the experience meter some, probably. Should developers base their entire game around these kinds of people, definitely not.
Yea, probably taking advantage of that XP exploit that was supposed to be fixed yesterday. Either that or this guy truely has no life. I thought I was bad. Staying up until 4-5 in the morning drinking rockstar energy drinks. I'm only lvl 30 , jeez , and that was non stop quest grinding with a partner.
Hilarious,
So you make a claim that has no basis, and then is proven wrong, and respond by acusing them of exploiting and trying to belittle them?
You really think that Trion can't track the players who took advantage of that exploit?
Seriously, give credit where it's due, no need to turn into the green eyed monster just because something you thought hadn't happened actually had.
Yea, probably taking advantage of that XP exploit that was supposed to be fixed yesterday. Either that or this guy truely has no life. I thought I was bad. Staying up until 4-5 in the morning drinking rockstar energy drinks. I'm only lvl 30 , jeez , and that was non stop quest grinding with a partner.
Hilarious,
So you make a claim that has no basis, and then is proven wrong, and respond by acusing them of exploiting and trying to belittle them?
You really think that Trion can't track the players who took advantage of that exploit?
Seriously, give credit where it's due, no need to turn into the green eyed monster just because something you thought hadn't happened actually had.
Yea, probably taking advantage of that XP exploit that was supposed to be fixed yesterday. Either that or this guy truely has no life. I thought I was bad. Staying up until 4-5 in the morning drinking rockstar energy drinks. I'm only lvl 30 , jeez , and that was non stop quest grinding with a partner.
Hilarious,
So you make a claim that has no basis, and then is proven wrong, and respond by acusing them of exploiting and trying to belittle them?
You really think that Trion can't track the players who took advantage of that exploit?
Seriously, give credit where it's due, no need to turn into the green eyed monster just because something you thought hadn't happened actually had.
Well, There was an xp exploit that was fixed in the patch notes, it is questionable how these guys were able to hit lvl 50 in 2 days. I have been non stop grinding, ofc taking time to sleep. I am only lvl 30. Not even sure if I seen a lvl 40 on my server yet. I am sure there are some though.
Also, some people got an early start on others. I was waiting in a que for the first few hours before I finally gave up and went to a brand new server they opened.
You cannot stop people from going as fast as they can.. They paid for this product, so if they want it all to be over as soon a possible, that is their own business.. Some people stuff their food down in seconds, while others prefer to eat it slowly.. they both paid for the food, and they both will have experienced the food..
Other peoples leveling speed should not matter to anyone else playing the game.. the speed is fine.. Max level characters are definitely not the majority.. So its no issue for Trion to have to pump out new content for these players right now.. And people shouldn't expect them too either..
People can play as they like, as long as the playfield is fair for everyone. Doing some stuff that gains you an advantage over others isn't really stuffing it in faster, it's just exploiting something. But whatever, every mcdonalds mmo game had these problems at the start and every single one of them congratulated the 'pro' gamer(s). Sometimes they even interview them. Should I talk about allods or something? Nah there is no need. It is not like their type of customer really cares anyway.
In EQ1, when the froglock race came out, I remember people were in a big rush to see who could get to 60 I think was the max level when they came out, and someone did it in like less than 2 days, from 1 to 60....That was EQ1....People will live on a game and try to be the first.
In Vanguard people were 50 quick too, people play the beta and number crunch the best path for when launch comes to try to be that guy that gets the congrats....Like you get something real for it.
Why would people need to lvl up for 1+ month anyway? I mean, if game would have realy good quests, awesome story behind every quest, sure i would understand that. When 80-90% quests are kill that, fetch this, 1 week of playing is more than enough.
Well, There was an xp exploit that was fixed in the patch notes, it is questionable how these guys were able to hit lvl 50 in 2 days. I have been non stop grinding, ofc taking time to sleep. I am only lvl 30. Not even sure if I seen a lvl 40 on my server yet. I am sure there are some though.
I am well aware of the exploit, and to the poster above who says it was well known that has no bearing in Trion being able to track the players who exploited it. Which they most certainly can.
That still does not excuse your response, which was childish, and frankly quite arrogant.
Also, some people got an early start on others. I was waiting in a que for the first few hours before I finally gave up and went to a brand new server they opened.
Which has no relevance to the discussion taking place at all, it is common sense, of course some players start before others. It is unavoidable.
cap most normal players will be hitting cap within a week
Normal players? Most 'normal' players aren't even out of Freemarch yet.
Well I would not call that normal it takes 15/20 hours to hit 20 and when I played Guardian I was in Gloamwood in 18 hours and I really took my time played nude for the first 10+ to see if I could survive because I thought the game was that easy and that was confirmed when I got the skill "Sneeze" a one shot AOE spell with 25 metre range.
EDIT: so your guild are playing 3 hours a day then on headstart and over the weekend because if they are playing more they are really slow a leveling.
Cal.
A survey mentioned that the average or normal MMO gamer is clocked at 25 hrs a week playing MMO's, and hardcore MMO gamers on an average of 40 hrs a week. While the extreme end of nonstop MMO gamers have been clocked at 80 hrs in a week, those who sacrifice all their spare time in their life momentarily to play a game.
Of course, with a launch there'll be somewhat more hours that people play, but those averages of 25 hrs a week for normal players and 40 hrs a week for hardcore are still good measures.
The leveling speed in MMO's at their launch usually ranges between 150 to 250 hours to reach level cap, besides power levelers.
Interestingly enough, on the new 'classic EQ' server there were L50 players within the week, while I can recall leveling in EQ taking ages compared to later MMO's.
Yeah i exaggerated the week bit in my post, its more like 3 to 4 weeks, and I think of myself as a "normal" player and that is confirmed in that survey as I play between 25/30 hours a week depending on work. Though I don't really see the 150/250 hours though thats where it's going yes, it took me 6 weeks in Aion to hit 29 so 130 hours and its been said thats it about 300 hours to hit cap there and that is born out by my experience. EQ2, WOW, LotRO were all considerably slower than Rift which looks like it'll be less than 100 hours for "normal" players.
The problem I have is that as a "journey player" the journey is being eroded by linear questing, lack of lore to differenciate races, lack of different starting zones and multiple questing zones for all levels, this is probably the main reason I did not buy Rift after getting in the Beta 2. Also by Beta 4 I was sick of Rifts and Invasions as well so it was a done deal no money to Trion.
I feel the leveling speed is the tip of a bigger iceberg modern MMO's face which WSIMike has talked about in his post and thats longevity. Development houses can not keep on producing MMO's that people finish in a few weeks and expect to make their investment back and retain players. Many seem to not see this point while in the first flushes of a new game world to play in but as has been said when Rift goes the way of AOC, WAR, STO, Champions, many of these same people defending it now will be playing TOR, GW2 or Tera and Rift will be forgotten. I don't think polished is good enough to keep people around if they finish the content within the free month and I said this in a thread on the beta forums with exactly the same responses as here. In a few weeks time we will see who has the right predictions us doomsayers or the excited majority.
Cal.
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I'm not sure what I think is saddest, the person rushing and wasting content to be "first" or the guys applauding it as an achievement.
What about the guy who thinks it's sad if a person rushed to first? Who cares. How does it effect anyone?
There are no challanging MMO's out there but one. EVE online. Every other MMO is just a fun way to spend time in a non-hardcore environment. No one should be surprised and it should have been expected.
On another note, Every new MMO has the same group of people that MMO hop to each one only to rush to max level, get bored, and quit. The people hitting level cap this early i'm wllling to bet will be some of the first people to quit rift. They will move on to the next MMO, rush to level cap, and quit that. etc...
It doesn't effect your gameplay in the least. Since headstart, i've slept 12 hours. And i'm only level 23. I didn't rush to get a toon max level. I got a cleric to level 18, played with rifting, played with warfronts, tried out different spec (I didn't play in any beta's). Then tried a mage got that to 19. Tried warfronts with that. Went back to my cleric. PVP'ed till I got my pvp soul.
I'm spending time having fun. Some people have fun by rushing to max level, so they are doing what is fun to them. No one should tell you or care why or how anyone else plays the game that they play. Everyone should just worry about themselves and do what's fun for them.
I'm not sure what I think is saddest, the person rushing and wasting content to be "first" or the guys applauding it as an achievement.
What about the guy who thinks it's sad if a person rushed to first? Who cares. How does it effect anyone?
There are no challanging MMO's out there but one. EVE online. Every other MMO is just a fun way to spend time in a non-hardcore environment. No one should be surprised and it should have been expected.
On another note, Every new MMO has the same group of people that MMO hop to each one only to rush to max level, get bored, and quit. The people hitting level cap this early i'm wllling to bet will be some of the first people to quit rift. They will move on to the next MMO, rush to level cap, and quit that. etc...
It doesn't effect your gameplay in the least. Since headstart, i've slept 12 hours. And i'm only level 23. I didn't rush to get a toon max level. I got a cleric to level 18, played with rifting, played with warfronts, tried out different spec (I didn't play in any beta's). Then tried a mage got that to 19. Tried warfronts with that. Went back to my cleric. PVP'ed till I got my pvp soul.
I'm spending time having fun. Some people have fun by rushing to max level, so they are doing what is fun to them. No one should tell you or care why or how anyone else plays the game that they play. Everyone should just worry about themselves and do what's fun for them.
agreed but EVE isn't challenging either its just really really really really time consuming.
Oh you mean the GM / Dev that was running around on Sunrest? He was on my server too.... Nobody has reached level 50 yet give it a rest. Highest I seen was lvl 35. Maybe a lil higher.
You're wrong.
Abomos and Erhoben from Spitescar PVP hit 50 yesterday. Erhoben was congratulated by a Trion GM, and then that GM also confirmed that he was World First.
Heh, I remember those names from Aion. They both got banned for botting. Not saying they botted in Rift.
I beat them to 50 in Aion on Zikel server :P
Abomos and Erhoben if you are reading this:
Remember that annoying Cleric Denied? Aion OP cleric FTW. Also don't bot in Rift so you can keep your accounts fool. You guys make people QQ it's too funny.
I'm not sure what I think is saddest, the person rushing and wasting content to be "first" or the guys applauding it as an achievement.
What about the guy who thinks it's sad if a person rushed to first? Who cares. How does it effect anyone?
There are no challanging MMO's out there but one. EVE online. Every other MMO is just a fun way to spend time in a non-hardcore environment. No one should be surprised and it should have been expected.
On another note, Every new MMO has the same group of people that MMO hop to each one only to rush to max level, get bored, and quit. The people hitting level cap this early i'm wllling to bet will be some of the first people to quit rift. They will move on to the next MMO, rush to level cap, and quit that. etc...
It doesn't effect your gameplay in the least. Since headstart, i've slept 12 hours. And i'm only level 23. I didn't rush to get a toon max level. I got a cleric to level 18, played with rifting, played with warfronts, tried out different spec (I didn't play in any beta's). Then tried a mage got that to 19. Tried warfronts with that. Went back to my cleric. PVP'ed till I got my pvp soul.
I'm spending time having fun. Some people have fun by rushing to max level, so they are doing what is fun to them. No one should tell you or care why or how anyone else plays the game that they play. Everyone should just worry about themselves and do what's fun for them.
agreed but EVE isn't challenging either its just really really really really time consuming.
I'm guessing this is debatable. If you just hide and mine rocks in highsec, technically you are playing the game and it's not challanging. But IMO, that's not really playing the game. It's akin to staying in a newbie leveling zone mining Tin in Rift.
Edit: Posting refrequently cause im stuck in 1 hour queue
Stupid ass AFK'er auto running into a wall. for 10 hours.
Just read that someone spotted a level 50 on Sunrest. I can't believe the headstart is not even done, game isn't launched that there is all ready people at 50. That is simply way too fast.
Goes hand in hand with what I was saying. Game is too easy, and people will get bored fast. Unless the end game is the best end game ever, people will leave in mass amounts.
Devs are kidding themselves when making games super casuals. It may lead to higher box sales but people will leave in droves in 1-2 months when they leveled to cap, done all the high end content and got bored with what little PvP there is.
But then again I am starting to doubt that the bussiness model MMORPG devs are using these days relies on sustainer subscriber growth or even stability. High box sales and a few month of high subscription fee is probably all that they need to make the profit they were projecting.
I am beginning to think people are right the Guildwars experience tells you that you don't need much money to maintain servers. So initial box sales are where they make money so if that holds true every company will go for that make the box sale and then those who stay can pay for the server maintainence. looks like a good business model all in all.
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I've been playing quite a lot doing quests, rifts, warfronts but also gathering, auctionning, dungeons ... and I'm level 21. So not even half way. The game has a lot to offer and is very polished. It is not that easy as people tend to say, but it's certainly not full-hardcore either. For me, it is simply enjoyable.
As for the leveling speed, I find it perfect. If one only wants to focus on leveling, not looking around, just grinding, I don't mind him getting to 50 in 3 days. I will certainly be busy for three weeks, just like a lot of others.
Also note thar RIFT already does has endgame raidrifts and dungeons available for the high levels as seen here http://www.g4tv.com/games/pc/63677/rift/articles/73643/Rift-End-Game-Raiding-Preview/
Eaglix
Oh you mean the GM / Dev that was running around on Sunrest? He was on my server too.... Nobody has reached level 50 yet give it a rest. Highest I seen was lvl 35. Maybe a lil higher.
"When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"
^^
this
Leveling speed in Rift is slower than WoW. Am surprised that EQ has 50s though. When bats in Freeport were giving me 1% towards level 2, I logged
Leveling time != difficult, its tedious repetition.
You're wrong.
Abomos and Erhoben from Spitescar PVP hit 50 yesterday. Erhoben was congratulated by a Trion GM, and then that GM also confirmed that he was World First.
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee194/erhoben/2011-02-26_191337.jpg
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It took me less than 2 hours to reach lvl 20 in wow, and 2-3 days to reach level 60.
WoW is definately easier, and most of the time I was just doing Battlegrounds. Questing probably would have been faster.
"When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"
I've been playing quite a bit and I'm only level 23. It just depends on what people's goal is with the game. I guarantee those people who rushed to 50 missed a large part of the game because leveling to 50 was their goal.
Yea, probably taking advantage of that XP exploit that was supposed to be fixed yesterday. Either that or this guy truely has no life. I thought I was bad. Staying up until 4-5 in the morning drinking rockstar energy drinks. I'm only lvl 30 , jeez , and that was non stop quest grinding with a partner.
"When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"
Hilarious,
So you make a claim that has no basis, and then is proven wrong, and respond by acusing them of exploiting and trying to belittle them?
You really think that Trion can't track the players who took advantage of that exploit?
Seriously, give credit where it's due, no need to turn into the green eyed monster just because something you thought hadn't happened actually had.
Over 9000 beta's and the scouter still says something about the xp exploit. Oh well, one milliiiioooon yeaaaahhh
It is a ''''rather'''' well known exploit.
Well, There was an xp exploit that was fixed in the patch notes, it is questionable how these guys were able to hit lvl 50 in 2 days. I have been non stop grinding, ofc taking time to sleep. I am only lvl 30. Not even sure if I seen a lvl 40 on my server yet. I am sure there are some though.
Also, some people got an early start on others. I was waiting in a que for the first few hours before I finally gave up and went to a brand new server they opened.
"When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"
You cannot stop people from going as fast as they can.. They paid for this product, so if they want it all to be over as soon a possible, that is their own business.. Some people stuff their food down in seconds, while others prefer to eat it slowly.. they both paid for the food, and they both will have experienced the food..
Other peoples leveling speed should not matter to anyone else playing the game.. the speed is fine.. Max level characters are definitely not the majority.. So its no issue for Trion to have to pump out new content for these players right now.. And people shouldn't expect them too either..
People can play as they like, as long as the playfield is fair for everyone. Doing some stuff that gains you an advantage over others isn't really stuffing it in faster, it's just exploiting something. But whatever, every mcdonalds mmo game had these problems at the start and every single one of them congratulated the 'pro' gamer(s). Sometimes they even interview them. Should I talk about allods or something? Nah there is no need. It is not like their type of customer really cares anyway.
In EQ1, when the froglock race came out, I remember people were in a big rush to see who could get to 60 I think was the max level when they came out, and someone did it in like less than 2 days, from 1 to 60....That was EQ1....People will live on a game and try to be the first.
In Vanguard people were 50 quick too, people play the beta and number crunch the best path for when launch comes to try to be that guy that gets the congrats....Like you get something real for it.
Why would people need to lvl up for 1+ month anyway? I mean, if game would have realy good quests, awesome story behind every quest, sure i would understand that. When 80-90% quests are kill that, fetch this, 1 week of playing is more than enough.
Yeah i exaggerated the week bit in my post, its more like 3 to 4 weeks, and I think of myself as a "normal" player and that is confirmed in that survey as I play between 25/30 hours a week depending on work. Though I don't really see the 150/250 hours though thats where it's going yes, it took me 6 weeks in Aion to hit 29 so 130 hours and its been said thats it about 300 hours to hit cap there and that is born out by my experience. EQ2, WOW, LotRO were all considerably slower than Rift which looks like it'll be less than 100 hours for "normal" players.
The problem I have is that as a "journey player" the journey is being eroded by linear questing, lack of lore to differenciate races, lack of different starting zones and multiple questing zones for all levels, this is probably the main reason I did not buy Rift after getting in the Beta 2. Also by Beta 4 I was sick of Rifts and Invasions as well so it was a done deal no money to Trion.
I feel the leveling speed is the tip of a bigger iceberg modern MMO's face which WSIMike has talked about in his post and thats longevity. Development houses can not keep on producing MMO's that people finish in a few weeks and expect to make their investment back and retain players. Many seem to not see this point while in the first flushes of a new game world to play in but as has been said when Rift goes the way of AOC, WAR, STO, Champions, many of these same people defending it now will be playing TOR, GW2 or Tera and Rift will be forgotten. I don't think polished is good enough to keep people around if they finish the content within the free month and I said this in a thread on the beta forums with exactly the same responses as here. In a few weeks time we will see who has the right predictions us doomsayers or the excited majority.
Cal.
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What about the guy who thinks it's sad if a person rushed to first? Who cares. How does it effect anyone?
There are no challanging MMO's out there but one. EVE online. Every other MMO is just a fun way to spend time in a non-hardcore environment. No one should be surprised and it should have been expected.
On another note, Every new MMO has the same group of people that MMO hop to each one only to rush to max level, get bored, and quit. The people hitting level cap this early i'm wllling to bet will be some of the first people to quit rift. They will move on to the next MMO, rush to level cap, and quit that. etc...
It doesn't effect your gameplay in the least. Since headstart, i've slept 12 hours. And i'm only level 23. I didn't rush to get a toon max level. I got a cleric to level 18, played with rifting, played with warfronts, tried out different spec (I didn't play in any beta's). Then tried a mage got that to 19. Tried warfronts with that. Went back to my cleric. PVP'ed till I got my pvp soul.
I'm spending time having fun. Some people have fun by rushing to max level, so they are doing what is fun to them. No one should tell you or care why or how anyone else plays the game that they play. Everyone should just worry about themselves and do what's fun for them.
agreed but EVE isn't challenging either its just really really really really time consuming.
The fastest way to level in this game was definitely by doing instances.
You could easily gain a level every 30-45 minutes if the appropriate instance is available and you have a group that can kill it all smoothly.
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
Heh, I remember those names from Aion. They both got banned for botting. Not saying they botted in Rift.
I beat them to 50 in Aion on Zikel server :P
Abomos and Erhoben if you are reading this:
Remember that annoying Cleric Denied? Aion OP cleric FTW. Also don't bot in Rift so you can keep your accounts fool. You guys make people QQ it's too funny.
I'm guessing this is debatable. If you just hide and mine rocks in highsec, technically you are playing the game and it's not challanging. But IMO, that's not really playing the game. It's akin to staying in a newbie leveling zone mining Tin in Rift.
Edit: Posting refrequently cause im stuck in 1 hour queue
Stupid ass AFK'er auto running into a wall. for 10 hours.
Devs are kidding themselves when making games super casuals. It may lead to higher box sales but people will leave in droves in 1-2 months when they leveled to cap, done all the high end content and got bored with what little PvP there is.
But then again I am starting to doubt that the bussiness model MMORPG devs are using these days relies on sustainer subscriber growth or even stability. High box sales and a few month of high subscription fee is probably all that they need to make the profit they were projecting.
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I am beginning to think people are right the Guildwars experience tells you that you don't need much money to maintain servers. So initial box sales are where they make money so if that holds true every company will go for that make the box sale and then those who stay can pay for the server maintainence. looks like a good business model all in all.