I was bored out of my mind, and have been for awhile, i had seen Eve mentioned many many times while searching for new games and when i checked out the gameplay videos i was not interested in it at all.
I finally reached the point where im like "i might as well try it" so i decided to give Eve a real chance and play it and discover it and i was in the mood to explore a game i have no idea about. Eve is unlike anything ive played before so that worked out great.
The first thing i wanted to do was jump out and explore, so i started that tutorial. The first thing i notice is just like in the gameplay videos id seen theres no actual gameplay. The best way to describe Eve's gameplay is to have you bring up your desktop and right click your mouse button, click off of that and cilck it again, repeat that over and over and youll know what its like to play Eve.
What really surprised me is how much i was enjoying the game even tho its just playing with menu's. Im insanely impressed that a game can be that cool when all you do is give commands. Thats when i decided id call it a "space flight simulator" when people ask me what its like.
I put myself into the game tho, like i said i really wanted to try it. After about 6 hours of playing i was just starting to get into the real "exploration" and having a ball. I really cant put into words how impressed i was that a game would feel so in depth and involving through simple menu commands.
So im almost fully learned in the exploration tutorial and im heading out to do some of my own stuff when i get a message from a random person. Long story short this guy went out of his way to con me into thinking he was gonna help me out only so that he could blow me to pieces. I really didnt want to bother with him cuz i was enjoying still learning the game and finally getting out on my own but i figured what the heck, im enjoying this game i might as well get a quick boost if i can. We talked for 5-7 minutes, it took him this long to convince me to come to him for "help."
So that totally devestated me, i was in a great mood really enjoying myself and then bam all of that gone and i have no idea what to do. Then i describe what happened in the rookie channel only to get responses like "thats life" "just like in the real world" "live and learn."
Now yes i agree thats all true but that is one horrible way to start a game. It almost ruined me.
Then i decided to start a new character cuz i didnt know what to do with the other one and just wanted to try again but that doesnt work exactly how you would want it too. Then apparently i went to a location for some quest i shouldnt have gone to alone and got destroyed. Then i uninstalled the game.
It was such a bad experience and mostly all due to one jackass who conned out of my enjoyment and ruined the whole thing for me.
Eve's really cool, its very interesting. I wont play it because even tho i did think it was very cool its just not worth a monthly sub to me.
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Really though, can you imagine hopping into EQ2, getting wiped by a mob twice and then uninstalling? Did you think you were invincible or what? Eve in a harsh game and isn't for everyone. What are your expectations exactly that were not met?
Originally posted by Robokapp it's actually not taking much to go 0.0 but...BUT the biggest 0.0 problem is that its 0.0 and you're disconnected from the empire and its bountiful markets. that's why having ok skills to get started is important because the skillbooks you'll need you may not have access to.
BUT...any decent alliance does regular jump freighter trips to empire and you can give them your wishlists and they'll fill it right up.
my alliance jumps every 2-3 days back and forth with a freighter. We arent completely cut off, but it's...a different life out there.
edit: nullsec pirates give unimaginably large ammounts of isk. if your ship can kill them of course. so if you're a battlecruiser and has some tanking capabilities and can kill a belt of BC's or even BS's, the isk will come quickly.
1.5million per pirate? Seen it and higher. my little apocalypse clocks 11mil every 20 minutes in anormalities. That's 30million per hour. And its...less than a third of what stronger pilots do in their advanced ships.
in nullsec, isk is not an issue.
edit2: living too long in nullsec however makes you kinda be in 'nullsec mode'. you jump in highsec and see 40 neutrals in local, you instantly cloak and start scanning. then realise how silly you are.
It is this sort of thing that makes EVE such a great game for some people. That you can exist in the world in this way, that you can be out, away from civilization in such a way makes EVE so very, very different from any other game. In any other game, even when you go far away from civilization, or into the depths of some horrendous location that only the bravest of the brave would venture, you can be back in a capital city inside ten minutes with no real risk whatsoever.
That is not the case in EVE. You go to the dangerous places, you go after the best raw materials, and you are assuming a serious level of risk, and you are putting yourself in a situation and a location that is not quickly left. It isn't for everyone, but it provides something I have not seen anywhere else.
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it." Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
Really though, can you imagine hopping into EQ2, getting wiped by a mob twice and then uninstalling? Did you think you were invincible or what? Eve in a harsh game and isn't for everyone. What are your expectations exactly that were not met?
Do you actually read or just spout off unrelated nonsense?
By the way the idea of Eve being "harsh" is ludicrous. A five year old could play it easily.
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Come on, I'm being genuine with you. Yes I read your post the first time and I reread your post again. You got killed twice and then uninstalled. That guy did you a favor. You either get burned on your first day for trusting a random stranger like that, or you get burned a few weeks from now when it costs you more isk. You are lucky it happened so soon.
Edit in response to your edit:
Come on, a five year old? Let's stop the exaggeration. What expectations weren't met? Are you really going let ONE player ruin the experience for you? There are tons of great people in the game, I can guarantee you that.
Originally posted by Jimmac monstermmo died twice then uninstalled. In mmo's, you will die. On a brand new character, the death penalty is almost nothing. Live and learn.
Are you a fine example of the community there? lol
Because you lost in 2 battles, you gave up whole war.
Leaving the game instead of learning is your very own choice and it has nothing to do with the community. Do you expect people talking you over and crying rivers to keep you with the game? I think your expectations are rather unreasonable.
Once you shrug off your attitude, you will find EVE as a game and the community to be one of the most helpful out there.
Originally posted by monstermmo By the way the idea of Eve being "harsh" is ludicrous. A five year old could play it easily.
Join the help channel if you don't think Eve has a great community. You will see how there are tons of players who voluntarily join that channel just so they can answer questions all day long. I've never seen so many players volunteer to help out other players in any other mmo. Not even close.
monstermmo died twice then uninstalled. In mmo's, you will die. On a brand new character, the death penalty is almost nothing. Live and learn.
Are you a fine example of the community there? lol
Because you lost in 2 battles, you gave up whole war.
Leaving the game instead of learning is your very own choice and it has nothing to do with the community. Do you expect people talking you over and crying rivers to keep you with the game? I think your expectations are rather unreasonable.
Once you shrug off your attitude, you will find EVE as a game and the community to be one of the most helpful out there.
Originally posted by monstermmo
By the way the idea of Eve being "harsh" is ludicrous. A five year old could play it easily.
Yet, you did not make it... :-P
lol Really?
You actually believe i quit the game because i "couldnt handle it"?
Are you really that demented?
A community with gamers this stupid is really the last place i want to be.
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monstermmo died twice then uninstalled. In mmo's, you will die. On a brand new character, the death penalty is almost nothing. Live and learn.
Are you a fine example of the community there? lol
Because you lost in 2 battles, you gave up whole war.
Leaving the game instead of learning is your very own choice and it has nothing to do with the community. Do you expect people talking you over and crying rivers to keep you with the game? I think your expectations are rather unreasonable.
Once you shrug off your attitude, you will find EVE as a game and the community to be one of the most helpful out there.
Originally posted by monstermmo
By the way the idea of Eve being "harsh" is ludicrous. A five year old could play it easily.
Yet, you did not make it... :-P
lol Really?
You actually believe i quit the game because i "couldnt handle it"?
Are you really that demented?
A community with gamers this stupid is really the last place i want to be.
Eve is a community... but its your own ability to communicate that will be the biggest issue i think, so many games these days, seem to encourage people to play solo.. Eve isnt one of them, sure.. there are a lot of things you can do on your own, but in Eve, Rambo dies more often than not.. and Chuck Norris gets drop kicked into the bushes.. in Eve.. you have to be prepared to lose your ship, couple of days ago i was doing a plex in a drake, i saw there was a neut in system but .. like an idiot.. i ignored them.. right up to the point where a rapier decloaked nearby and scrammed me etc.. at that point i had to engage him too.. but.. before i could kill him his buddies jumped into system, and warped in... theyrepp'd him and laid down the hurt on me.. i was lucky enough to escape in my pod.. but.. did i curse them.. nope.. it was my fault.. i should have at least aligned to something when i saw a neut, by the time he decloaked it was too late, by then i only had less than 2 seconds to escape.. in a drake.. thats nowhere near enough time.. but.. they did a good job, and their teamwork paid off... and.. luckily i have 3 drakes.. .. they then escaped the system before a fleet of about 20 alliance members hit the system to enact a bit of revenge... which.. sadly was again my fault.. i didnt post the intel fast enough in the intel channel.. Eve has a steep learning curve.. but.. it also has one of the best communities..
I was bored out of my mind, and have been for awhile, i had seen Eve mentioned many many times while searching for new games and when i checked out the gameplay videos i was not interested in it at all.
I finally reached the point where im like "i might as well try it" so i decided to give Eve a real chance and play it and discover it and i was in the mood to explore a game i have no idea about. Eve is unlike anything ive played before so that worked out great.
The first thing i wanted to do was jump out and explore, so i started that tutorial. The first thing i notice is just like in the gameplay videos id seen theres no actual gameplay. The best way to describe Eve's gameplay is to have you bring up your desktop and right click your mouse button, click off of that and cilck it again, repeat that over and over and youll know what its like to play Eve.
What really surprised me is how much i was enjoying the game even tho its just playing with menu's. Im insanely impressed that a game can be that cool when all you do is give commands. Thats when i decided id call it a "space flight simulator" when people ask me what its like.
I put myself into the game tho, like i said i really wanted to try it. After about 6 hours of playing i was just starting to get into the real "exploration" and having a ball. I really cant put into words how impressed i was that a game would feel so in depth and involving through simple menu commands.
So im almost fully learned in the exploration tutorial and im heading out to do some of my own stuff when i get a message from a random person. Long story short this guy went out of his way to con me into thinking he was gonna help me out only so that he could blow me to pieces. I really didnt want to bother with him cuz i was enjoying still learning the game and finally getting out on my own but i figured what the heck, im enjoying this game i might as well get a quick boost if i can. We talked for 5-7 minutes, it took him this long to convince me to come to him for "help."
So that totally devestated me, i was in a great mood really enjoying myself and then bam all of that gone and i have no idea what to do. Then i describe what happened in the rookie channel only to get responses like "thats life" "just like in the real world" "live and learn."
Now yes i agree thats all true but that is one horrible way to start a game. It almost ruined me.
Then i decided to start a new character cuz i didnt know what to do with the other one and just wanted to try again but that doesnt work exactly how you would want it too. Then apparently i went to a location for some quest i shouldnt have gone to alone and got destroyed. Then i uninstalled the game.
It was such a bad experience and mostly all due to one jackass who conned out of my enjoyment and ruined the whole thing for me.
Eve's really cool, its very interesting. I wont play it because even tho i did think it was very cool its just not worth a monthly sub to me.
So basically, you didn't even play the game. That's what I'm getting out of this. You put all of a day's worth of effort into it and didn't bother to put any real effort into your experience in game, and now you feel it's alright to come and bash the game, regardless of the fact that you didn't even scratch the surface or even give the game a real chance. You can claim you gave it a chance all you want, but from what you described here, you didn't even try.
And wow, just reading your replies makes me laugh. You're acting like you've got all the experience in the world playing this game, even though in your first post you explain how you barely even did anything. So yes, you DID give up because you couldn't cut it. You let one asshat, of which there exists many in every single MMO in existence, ruin your day. Then, you died in a mission, followed by quitting because of it.
Yes, you DID give up, because you COULDN'T cut it. Nobody is accusing you falsely here. We're just reading what YOU posted.
I was bored out of my mind, and have been for awhile, i had seen Eve mentioned many many times while searching for new games and when i checked out the gameplay videos i was not interested in it at all.
I finally reached the point where im like "i might as well try it" so i decided to give Eve a real chance and play it and discover it and i was in the mood to explore a game i have no idea about. Eve is unlike anything ive played before so that worked out great.
The first thing i wanted to do was jump out and explore, so i started that tutorial. The first thing i notice is just like in the gameplay videos id seen theres no actual gameplay. The best way to describe Eve's gameplay is to have you bring up your desktop and right click your mouse button, click off of that and cilck it again, repeat that over and over and youll know what its like to play Eve.
What really surprised me is how much i was enjoying the game even tho its just playing with menu's. Im insanely impressed that a game can be that cool when all you do is give commands. Thats when i decided id call it a "space flight simulator" when people ask me what its like.
I put myself into the game tho, like i said i really wanted to try it. After about 6 hours of playing i was just starting to get into the real "exploration" and having a ball. I really cant put into words how impressed i was that a game would feel so in depth and involving through simple menu commands.
So im almost fully learned in the exploration tutorial and im heading out to do some of my own stuff when i get a message from a random person. Long story short this guy went out of his way to con me into thinking he was gonna help me out only so that he could blow me to pieces. I really didnt want to bother with him cuz i was enjoying still learning the game and finally getting out on my own but i figured what the heck, im enjoying this game i might as well get a quick boost if i can. We talked for 5-7 minutes, it took him this long to convince me to come to him for "help."
So that totally devestated me, i was in a great mood really enjoying myself and then bam all of that gone and i have no idea what to do. Then i describe what happened in the rookie channel only to get responses like "thats life" "just like in the real world" "live and learn."
Now yes i agree thats all true but that is one horrible way to start a game. It almost ruined me.
Then i decided to start a new character cuz i didnt know what to do with the other one and just wanted to try again but that doesnt work exactly how you would want it too. Then apparently i went to a location for some quest i shouldnt have gone to alone and got destroyed. Then i uninstalled the game.
It was such a bad experience and mostly all due to one jackass who conned out of my enjoyment and ruined the whole thing for me.
Eve's really cool, its very interesting. I wont play it because even tho i did think it was very cool its just not worth a monthly sub to me.
You lost a ship and you quit the game because of it. This is commonly known as rage-quitting. The thing is, EVE like RL has its ups and downs, you will have moments of astonding victories but will be tempered with moments of defeat and epic failure/shiploss pod loss ect. Now, im not knocking you, or calling you a wuss, but this game may not be for you. It is not for everyone. IMO, eve is best for competative playstyles that are good losers as well as winners. Everything in EVE except your character is destructable, by design. You will lose ships at one point or another it is part of gameplay, Hell everytime I go into a pvp engagement my ship is laying on the line, hanging on the thread of a balance, between victory and defeat. Its what makes eve stand out from the crowd. My ship dies, or my fleet gets roflstomped, we learn what went wrong, rebuild, and fight again another day.
Look at BOB, the band of brothers alliance. They had multiple iterations of basicly the same alliance with varying groups of people. They got scammed out of billions and lost all their sovereignty and space and years of work becaues someone internally betrayed them. Did they emo rage quit the game because they lost years of work as a collective group? No, they picked themselves back up, reformed into Konzoku then finally IT alliance, and even though they lost everything they still reformed and made a comeback, and hell has no fury like an alliance scorned. This sort of mentality is what the best players in EVE are made out of... the ability to learn and adapt, even after a humbling defeat.
Improvise, adapt, overcome... this marine core mantra is called a success-based attitude, it works in the military and it works in games like EVE. Those players in the help channel may have had a sarcastic twist on it, but they were right about learning from it, even if they werent necessary nice about it... losing is part of the game.
I quit because my only experience with the community was bad. And your replies are only proving how stupid and egotistical a bunch of browser controlling idiots are. i was enjoying the game until my experience with the community itself completely ruined thet mood.
My bad experiences were from the community, not the game. Its amazing how you people dont catch on to that even tho that is the main story.
I was sharing my experience not bashing the game. If youre insulted that the game is a glorified browser game/chat room im sorry, but it is what it is.
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Where most regular MMO's have some kind of choice or areas where no pvp is allowed eve does not. When CCP finally relizes this and puts in an on or off pvp switch or a pve sever only then alot of folks who had bad experiences might just return and CCP makes a little more money.
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I quit because my only experience with the community was bad. And your replies are only proving how stupid and egotistical a bunch of browser controlling idiots are. i was enjoying the game until my experience with the community itself completely ruined thet mood.
My bad experiences were from the community, not the game. Its amazing how you people dont catch on to that even tho that is the main story.
I was sharing my experience not bashing the game. If youre insulted that the game is a glorified browser game/chat room im sorry, but it is what it is.
People aren't insulted by your take on EvE. We're amused.
Where most regular MMO's have some kind of choice or areas where no pvp is allowed eve does not. When CCP finally relizes this and puts in an on or off pvp switch or a pve sever only then alot of folks who had bad experiences might just return and CCP makes a little more money.
CCP provides many dynamics to discourage pvp and protect players that smart players take advantage of. To provide a switch to turn off pvp to allow players to do what they want when they want where they want with no consequences would ruin the game.
Where most regular MMO's have some kind of choice or areas where no pvp is allowed eve does not. When CCP finally relizes this and puts in an on or off pvp switch or a pve sever only then alot of folks who had bad experiences might just return and CCP makes a little more money.
CCP provides many dynamics to discourage pvp and protect players that smart players take advantage of. To provide a switch to turn off pvp to allow players to do what they want when they want where they want with no consequences would ruin the game.
Ok if this is true then why do they allow suicide ganking in high section and do nothing ?
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I quit because my only experience with the community was bad. And your replies are only proving how stupid and egotistical a bunch of browser controlling idiots are. i was enjoying the game until my experience with the community itself completely ruined thet mood.
My bad experiences were from the community, not the game. Its amazing how you people dont catch on to that even tho that is the main story.
I was sharing my experience not bashing the game. If youre insulted that the game is a glorified browser game/chat room im sorry, but it is what it is.
To blame an entire community on one individual is your fault. There are asshats in every game, EVE is no different. Like many of the posters here said, EVE is a great game, a game of ups and downs. A person's ability to deal with that either makes them an EVE player or not. There is no instant gratification in EVE. Gratification comes after hard work and planning. This is what makes EVE great and its not a game for everyone.
When I played EVE I met great people. The taught me a lot. Within 3-4 months I started my own corporation and built it up. We had great people and some not-so-great people, but we enjoyed playing together. We got war-decced regularly because we were mostly a high-sec PVE corp, but thats OK. We accepted our role and dealt with it. I didn't cry and moan and rage-quit because our killboards looked like shit and we were losing ships all of the time.
Where most regular MMO's have some kind of choice or areas where no pvp is allowed eve does not. When CCP finally relizes this and puts in an on or off pvp switch or a pve sever only then alot of folks who had bad experiences might just return and CCP makes a little more money.
CCP provides many dynamics to discourage pvp and protect players that smart players take advantage of. To provide a switch to turn off pvp to allow players to do what they want when they want where they want with no consequences would ruin the game.
Ok if this is true then why do they allow suicide ganking in high section and do nothing ?
It is true and suicide ganking doesn't disprove it.
Where most regular MMO's have some kind of choice or areas where no pvp is allowed eve does not. When CCP finally relizes this and puts in an on or off pvp switch or a pve sever only then alot of folks who had bad experiences might just return and CCP makes a little more money.
CCP provides many dynamics to discourage pvp and protect players that smart players take advantage of. To provide a switch to turn off pvp to allow players to do what they want when they want where they want with no consequences would ruin the game.
Ok if this is true then why do they allow suicide ganking in high section and do nothing ?
It is true and suicide ganking doesn't disprove it.
Ok then lets ask this question ? Why are there 6 pages and counting on what Eve is or is not, somefolks may not see it your way and if more then a few do then CCP might just take a look and say hey what if we did do a pve or on and off switch. We might just fatten up our bank account and get some more folks to hang around ? But because CCP is a business the bottom line might just surprise you.
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Where most regular MMO's have some kind of choice or areas where no pvp is allowed eve does not. When CCP finally relizes this and puts in an on or off pvp switch or a pve sever only then alot of folks who had bad experiences might just return and CCP makes a little more money.
An on/off switch would ruin the game. The entire dynamics of null sec/low sec/high sec would be useless. The game is based on risk vs. reward. More risk (null sec mining, for example) equals more reward (higher ISK payouts). If any carebear (of which I was one) could roam around in nullsec there wouldn't be a point anymore.
After all these eyars I am sure that CCP is more interested in the game direction and integrity of it than a few dollars.
And, in the end, isnt that what we all what? Game designers and producers to stay true to the game and their vision? I know I don't want game designers yielding to the masses, or popularity or the almighty dollar. I want a good game that is uncompromising.
Ok if this is true then why do they allow suicide ganking in high section and do nothing ?
they "allow" it because its allowed and they do nothing because there is nothing to be done about it.
You've got to get past the idea that Eve is a game, its not, its more of a simulator.
And that really answers the OP's question and anyone who doesnt 'get it' Eve is a simulator. And just as there are good people and bad people, nice communitys and evil communitiyes in life, so do they exist in Eve.
The 'Game' with Eve, if you insist on looking for a game within, is a game of knowledge. You dont need to be intelligent or clever to play Eve, but you do have to know certain things.
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This is how my Eve trial experience happened.
I was bored out of my mind, and have been for awhile, i had seen Eve mentioned many many times while searching for new games and when i checked out the gameplay videos i was not interested in it at all.
I finally reached the point where im like "i might as well try it" so i decided to give Eve a real chance and play it and discover it and i was in the mood to explore a game i have no idea about. Eve is unlike anything ive played before so that worked out great.
The first thing i wanted to do was jump out and explore, so i started that tutorial. The first thing i notice is just like in the gameplay videos id seen theres no actual gameplay. The best way to describe Eve's gameplay is to have you bring up your desktop and right click your mouse button, click off of that and cilck it again, repeat that over and over and youll know what its like to play Eve.
What really surprised me is how much i was enjoying the game even tho its just playing with menu's. Im insanely impressed that a game can be that cool when all you do is give commands. Thats when i decided id call it a "space flight simulator" when people ask me what its like.
I put myself into the game tho, like i said i really wanted to try it. After about 6 hours of playing i was just starting to get into the real "exploration" and having a ball. I really cant put into words how impressed i was that a game would feel so in depth and involving through simple menu commands.
So im almost fully learned in the exploration tutorial and im heading out to do some of my own stuff when i get a message from a random person. Long story short this guy went out of his way to con me into thinking he was gonna help me out only so that he could blow me to pieces. I really didnt want to bother with him cuz i was enjoying still learning the game and finally getting out on my own but i figured what the heck, im enjoying this game i might as well get a quick boost if i can. We talked for 5-7 minutes, it took him this long to convince me to come to him for "help."
So that totally devestated me, i was in a great mood really enjoying myself and then bam all of that gone and i have no idea what to do. Then i describe what happened in the rookie channel only to get responses like "thats life" "just like in the real world" "live and learn."
Now yes i agree thats all true but that is one horrible way to start a game. It almost ruined me.
Then i decided to start a new character cuz i didnt know what to do with the other one and just wanted to try again but that doesnt work exactly how you would want it too. Then apparently i went to a location for some quest i shouldnt have gone to alone and got destroyed. Then i uninstalled the game.
It was such a bad experience and mostly all due to one jackass who conned out of my enjoyment and ruined the whole thing for me.
Eve's really cool, its very interesting. I wont play it because even tho i did think it was very cool its just not worth a monthly sub to me.
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monstermmo died twice then uninstalled. In mmo's, you will die. On a brand new character, the death penalty is almost nothing. Live and learn.
Are you a fine example of the community there? lol
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Really though, can you imagine hopping into EQ2, getting wiped by a mob twice and then uninstalling? Did you think you were invincible or what? Eve in a harsh game and isn't for everyone. What are your expectations exactly that were not met?
It is this sort of thing that makes EVE such a great game for some people. That you can exist in the world in this way, that you can be out, away from civilization in such a way makes EVE so very, very different from any other game. In any other game, even when you go far away from civilization, or into the depths of some horrendous location that only the bravest of the brave would venture, you can be back in a capital city inside ten minutes with no real risk whatsoever.
That is not the case in EVE. You go to the dangerous places, you go after the best raw materials, and you are assuming a serious level of risk, and you are putting yourself in a situation and a location that is not quickly left. It isn't for everyone, but it provides something I have not seen anywhere else.
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it." Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
WTF? No subscription fee?
Do you actually read or just spout off unrelated nonsense?
By the way the idea of Eve being "harsh" is ludicrous. A five year old could play it easily.
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Come on, I'm being genuine with you. Yes I read your post the first time and I reread your post again. You got killed twice and then uninstalled. That guy did you a favor. You either get burned on your first day for trusting a random stranger like that, or you get burned a few weeks from now when it costs you more isk. You are lucky it happened so soon.
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Come on, a five year old? Let's stop the exaggeration. What expectations weren't met? Are you really going let ONE player ruin the experience for you? There are tons of great people in the game, I can guarantee you that.
Because you lost in 2 battles, you gave up whole war.
Leaving the game instead of learning is your very own choice and it has nothing to do with the community. Do you expect people talking you over and crying rivers to keep you with the game? I think your expectations are rather unreasonable.
Once you shrug off your attitude, you will find EVE as a game and the community to be one of the most helpful out there.
Yet, you did not make it... :-P
Join the help channel if you don't think Eve has a great community. You will see how there are tons of players who voluntarily join that channel just so they can answer questions all day long. I've never seen so many players volunteer to help out other players in any other mmo. Not even close.
lol Really?
You actually believe i quit the game because i "couldnt handle it"?
Are you really that demented?
A community with gamers this stupid is really the last place i want to be.
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Considering your posted game experience and your replies here, I think it's mutual...
Eve is a community... but its your own ability to communicate that will be the biggest issue i think, so many games these days, seem to encourage people to play solo.. Eve isnt one of them, sure.. there are a lot of things you can do on your own, but in Eve, Rambo dies more often than not.. and Chuck Norris gets drop kicked into the bushes.. in Eve.. you have to be prepared to lose your ship, couple of days ago i was doing a plex in a drake, i saw there was a neut in system but .. like an idiot.. i ignored them.. right up to the point where a rapier decloaked nearby and scrammed me etc.. at that point i had to engage him too.. but.. before i could kill him his buddies jumped into system, and warped in... theyrepp'd him and laid down the hurt on me.. i was lucky enough to escape in my pod.. but.. did i curse them.. nope.. it was my fault.. i should have at least aligned to something when i saw a neut, by the time he decloaked it was too late, by then i only had less than 2 seconds to escape.. in a drake.. thats nowhere near enough time.. but.. they did a good job, and their teamwork paid off... and.. luckily i have 3 drakes.. .. they then escaped the system before a fleet of about 20 alliance members hit the system to enact a bit of revenge... which.. sadly was again my fault.. i didnt post the intel fast enough in the intel channel.. Eve has a steep learning curve.. but.. it also has one of the best communities..
So basically, you didn't even play the game. That's what I'm getting out of this. You put all of a day's worth of effort into it and didn't bother to put any real effort into your experience in game, and now you feel it's alright to come and bash the game, regardless of the fact that you didn't even scratch the surface or even give the game a real chance. You can claim you gave it a chance all you want, but from what you described here, you didn't even try.
And wow, just reading your replies makes me laugh. You're acting like you've got all the experience in the world playing this game, even though in your first post you explain how you barely even did anything. So yes, you DID give up because you couldn't cut it. You let one asshat, of which there exists many in every single MMO in existence, ruin your day. Then, you died in a mission, followed by quitting because of it.
Yes, you DID give up, because you COULDN'T cut it. Nobody is accusing you falsely here. We're just reading what YOU posted.
You lost a ship and you quit the game because of it. This is commonly known as rage-quitting. The thing is, EVE like RL has its ups and downs, you will have moments of astonding victories but will be tempered with moments of defeat and epic failure/shiploss pod loss ect. Now, im not knocking you, or calling you a wuss, but this game may not be for you. It is not for everyone. IMO, eve is best for competative playstyles that are good losers as well as winners. Everything in EVE except your character is destructable, by design. You will lose ships at one point or another it is part of gameplay, Hell everytime I go into a pvp engagement my ship is laying on the line, hanging on the thread of a balance, between victory and defeat. Its what makes eve stand out from the crowd. My ship dies, or my fleet gets roflstomped, we learn what went wrong, rebuild, and fight again another day.
Look at BOB, the band of brothers alliance. They had multiple iterations of basicly the same alliance with varying groups of people. They got scammed out of billions and lost all their sovereignty and space and years of work becaues someone internally betrayed them. Did they emo rage quit the game because they lost years of work as a collective group? No, they picked themselves back up, reformed into Konzoku then finally IT alliance, and even though they lost everything they still reformed and made a comeback, and hell has no fury like an alliance scorned. This sort of mentality is what the best players in EVE are made out of... the ability to learn and adapt, even after a humbling defeat.
Improvise, adapt, overcome... this marine core mantra is called a success-based attitude, it works in the military and it works in games like EVE. Those players in the help channel may have had a sarcastic twist on it, but they were right about learning from it, even if they werent necessary nice about it... losing is part of the game.
I quit because my only experience with the community was bad. And your replies are only proving how stupid and egotistical a bunch of browser controlling idiots are. i was enjoying the game until my experience with the community itself completely ruined thet mood.
My bad experiences were from the community, not the game. Its amazing how you people dont catch on to that even tho that is the main story.
I was sharing my experience not bashing the game. If youre insulted that the game is a glorified browser game/chat room im sorry, but it is what it is.
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Where most regular MMO's have some kind of choice or areas where no pvp is allowed eve does not. When CCP finally relizes this and puts in an on or off pvp switch or a pve sever only then alot of folks who had bad experiences might just return and CCP makes a little more money.
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People aren't insulted by your take on EvE. We're amused.
CCP provides many dynamics to discourage pvp and protect players that smart players take advantage of. To provide a switch to turn off pvp to allow players to do what they want when they want where they want with no consequences would ruin the game.
Ok if this is true then why do they allow suicide ganking in high section and do nothing ?
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To blame an entire community on one individual is your fault. There are asshats in every game, EVE is no different. Like many of the posters here said, EVE is a great game, a game of ups and downs. A person's ability to deal with that either makes them an EVE player or not. There is no instant gratification in EVE. Gratification comes after hard work and planning. This is what makes EVE great and its not a game for everyone.
When I played EVE I met great people. The taught me a lot. Within 3-4 months I started my own corporation and built it up. We had great people and some not-so-great people, but we enjoyed playing together. We got war-decced regularly because we were mostly a high-sec PVE corp, but thats OK. We accepted our role and dealt with it. I didn't cry and moan and rage-quit because our killboards looked like shit and we were losing ships all of the time.
Grow-up and stop generalizing communities.
Gaming since Avalon Hill was making board games.
Played SWG, EVE, Fallen Earth, LOTRO, Rift, Vanguard, WoW, SWTOR, TSW, Tera
Tried Aoc, Aion, EQII, RoM, Vindictus, Darkfail, DDO, GW, PotBS
It is true and suicide ganking doesn't disprove it.
Ok then lets ask this question ? Why are there 6 pages and counting on what Eve is or is not, somefolks may not see it your way and if more then a few do then CCP might just take a look and say hey what if we did do a pve or on and off switch. We might just fatten up our bank account and get some more folks to hang around ? But because CCP is a business the bottom line might just surprise you.
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An on/off switch would ruin the game. The entire dynamics of null sec/low sec/high sec would be useless. The game is based on risk vs. reward. More risk (null sec mining, for example) equals more reward (higher ISK payouts). If any carebear (of which I was one) could roam around in nullsec there wouldn't be a point anymore.
After all these eyars I am sure that CCP is more interested in the game direction and integrity of it than a few dollars.
And, in the end, isnt that what we all what? Game designers and producers to stay true to the game and their vision? I know I don't want game designers yielding to the masses, or popularity or the almighty dollar. I want a good game that is uncompromising.
Gaming since Avalon Hill was making board games.
Played SWG, EVE, Fallen Earth, LOTRO, Rift, Vanguard, WoW, SWTOR, TSW, Tera
Tried Aoc, Aion, EQII, RoM, Vindictus, Darkfail, DDO, GW, PotBS
they "allow" it because its allowed and they do nothing because there is nothing to be done about it.
You've got to get past the idea that Eve is a game, its not, its more of a simulator.
And that really answers the OP's question and anyone who doesnt 'get it' Eve is a simulator. And just as there are good people and bad people, nice communitys and evil communitiyes in life, so do they exist in Eve.
The 'Game' with Eve, if you insist on looking for a game within, is a game of knowledge. You dont need to be intelligent or clever to play Eve, but you do have to know certain things.