Also doing the free trial again and has improved since the last time i did.
Eve doesn't really compare to your standard mmo model so hard to give a relation to one.
What you do in eve is what u want. Wnat to mine a system dry do that. Want to explore the eve galaxy(huge btw) do that. Want to join or form a corporation and try and take over the galaxy do that.
As has been said play through the career agent missions and they'll set u on the right path to get u going aswell as giving u some decent isk and gear to start with.
Best advice i can give is read the tutorials when they come up(u can also repeat them whenever u want). 90% or so of the questions u see in rookie help can usually be answered in the tutorials
"What you do in eve is what u want" ... really?
I want to go through some PvE content and have fun. The missions do not give me that.
Missions are terrible. I can't conceive of anyone actually enjoying them for heir own sake, although some people claim to.
That said, if all you want is to endlessly grind PvE quests, why go to a game that's explicitly a PvP sandbox? If I subscribed to WoW and whined that it didn't allow me the freedoms that EVE does, whilst saying that I wasn't interested in quests and raids, then the existing peoples would be justified in questioning why I was playing WoW in the first place.
EVE isn't your kind of game, and it probably never will be, any more than a steakhouse is likely to have a good vegetarian menu. Why do you keep coming back to this forum to complain about it? It seems like a waste of time at best.
Because CCP actually PUT pve "quest" content into the game (and didn't they "beef it up" in an expansion?) and there is no good tactical space ship PvE game out there? (STO obviously does not count as a good one).
Also doing the free trial again and has improved since the last time i did.
Eve doesn't really compare to your standard mmo model so hard to give a relation to one.
What you do in eve is what u want. Wnat to mine a system dry do that. Want to explore the eve galaxy(huge btw) do that. Want to join or form a corporation and try and take over the galaxy do that.
As has been said play through the career agent missions and they'll set u on the right path to get u going aswell as giving u some decent isk and gear to start with.
Best advice i can give is read the tutorials when they come up(u can also repeat them whenever u want). 90% or so of the questions u see in rookie help can usually be answered in the tutorials
"What you do in eve is what u want" ... really?
I want to go through some PvE content and have fun. The missions do not give me that.
You do realize that missions are not the only PVE content in the game right? (or did you mean that you can't run quests and enjoy them?)
I mention that because you could say that industry, exploration, wormhole running, market trading, mining, transportation of goods and even scamming are all PVE content.
From my viewpoint EVE has tons of PVE content for players to occupy their time with and never have to fire a shot to pursue any of them. (though some folks may try to shoot at you)
Let me be specific. I am talking about tactical combat based content. I have no desire to mine and craft. How is scamming PvE content when you are scamming OTHER PLAYERS?
Also doing the free trial again and has improved since the last time i did.
Eve doesn't really compare to your standard mmo model so hard to give a relation to one.
What you do in eve is what u want. Wnat to mine a system dry do that. Want to explore the eve galaxy(huge btw) do that. Want to join or form a corporation and try and take over the galaxy do that.
As has been said play through the career agent missions and they'll set u on the right path to get u going aswell as giving u some decent isk and gear to start with.
Best advice i can give is read the tutorials when they come up(u can also repeat them whenever u want). 90% or so of the questions u see in rookie help can usually be answered in the tutorials
"What you do in eve is what u want" ... really?
I want to go through some PvE content and have fun. The missions do not give me that.
You do realize that missions are not the only PVE content in the game right? (or did you mean that you can't run quests and enjoy them?)
I mention that because you could say that industry, exploration, wormhole running, market trading, mining, transportation of goods and even scamming are all PVE content.
From my viewpoint EVE has tons of PVE content for players to occupy their time with and never have to fire a shot to pursue any of them. (though some folks may try to shoot at you)
Let me be specific. I am talking about tactical combat based content. I have no desire to mine and craft. How is scamming PvE content when you are scamming OTHER PLAYERS?
EvE really isn't a very good PvE game nor should it be since it's main focus is making players the content of the game.
PvEers in EvE only exist to be used by other players.
Whether it's resource gathering, being (suicide) ganked, or just having their stuff stolen by another player; the PvEer is there to be used by other players for their game content.
Infact, that's all everyone in the game is to each other... game content!
The OP is upset because somebody made him game content and he didn't appreciate it.
Holy crap! A game that has players take an interest in their fellow players? That's a crazy way to build a multiplayer game! I'd prefer to mind my own business and be rendered insignificant to other people when I play a game that has other people in it, after all, it's not like I'm paying 15 dollars a month for the privilege of playing with other people in a massively multiplayer online roleplaying game! Heaven forbid somebody will take in interest in me! That's not why I play with other people online!
Also doing the free trial again and has improved since the last time i did.
Eve doesn't really compare to your standard mmo model so hard to give a relation to one.
What you do in eve is what u want. Wnat to mine a system dry do that. Want to explore the eve galaxy(huge btw) do that. Want to join or form a corporation and try and take over the galaxy do that.
As has been said play through the career agent missions and they'll set u on the right path to get u going aswell as giving u some decent isk and gear to start with.
Best advice i can give is read the tutorials when they come up(u can also repeat them whenever u want). 90% or so of the questions u see in rookie help can usually be answered in the tutorials
"What you do in eve is what u want" ... really?
I want to go through some PvE content and have fun. The missions do not give me that.
You do realize that missions are not the only PVE content in the game right? (or did you mean that you can't run quests and enjoy them?)
I mention that because you could say that industry, exploration, wormhole running, market trading, mining, transportation of goods and even scamming are all PVE content.
From my viewpoint EVE has tons of PVE content for players to occupy their time with and never have to fire a shot to pursue any of them. (though some folks may try to shoot at you)
Let me be specific. I am talking about tactical combat based content. I have no desire to mine and craft. How is scamming PvE content when you are scamming OTHER PLAYERS?
Well,in truth most activities in EVE (and other MMO's) put you in competition with other players, be it crafting, gathering, trading so one could argue those are all PVP content I suppose.
But in the traditional sense I interpret PVP in MMO's to mean two player actively try to shoot each other and for the most part the activities I listed can be done in EVE without combat (very often anyways)
Now, regarding tactical combat based (PVE) content, I suppose EVE is lacking when compared to the more complicated raiding scenarios in a game like WOW, but truth is the wormhole enounters in EVE are at least as complicated as the typical tank and spank instance found in most MMORPG's out there today.
You have to bring the right composition of properly geared ships, the players have to know their roles and react at the right times or the fleet dies. I've done 40 mans in WOW and Class 6 wormholes in EVE and the choreography is about the same, other than in EVE the enemy can show up in the middle of the fight and really complicate things. That and if you screw up you can lose a Carrier or two worth about 4 billion ISK.
While EVE's missions are repittious, I find them no more or less challenging than typical MMO quest based content, nor any more boring or interesting. I personally made many billions of ISK mission running, many more crafting datacores and mining wormholes.
There is a science to mission running you know, and once your skills get good enough, and you learn the patterns and how to properly fit your ships you can really increase your efficiency and for mission runners its all about maximizing their ISK per hour. People here say its boring, I've flown with many folks who enjoy it and they're just one of the types of players in EVE.
Once again, if your looking for WOW's upper tier raiding, I'll concede, nothing really like it in EVE, but otherwise I think EVE offers a lot of "PVE" content for a player, and in fact, that's what a majority of players are doing at any given moment in EVE.
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Been playing EVE for a little over a year now and this is tl;dr conclusion of the game:
Join a nullsec corp and then spend countless hours ratting anomalies for ISK. You then take that ISK to buy ships to take out PvP'ing and get them blown up eventually.
Rinse repeat.
Or you could take the easy route and fork over real life cash for plex to sell in game so you don't have to grind the ISK.
The universe is essentially not yours.
But whatever.
Only reason I still play is the rewarding feeling (and the tears of my victim shortly there-after)of killing expensive ratting ships in my afk cloaking bomber.
Join a nullsec corp and then spend countless hours ratting anomalies for ISK. You then take that ISK to buy ships to take out PvP'ing and get them blown up eventually.
If your not really a part of the corp your in then this is pretty much true.
Now, regarding tactical combat based (PVE) content, I suppose EVE is lacking when compared to the more complicated raiding scenarios in a game like WOW, but truth is the wormhole enounters in EVE are at least as complicated as the typical tank and spank instance found in most MMORPG's out there today.
Now this sounds interesting. May be i should try it again. Couple of questions.
1) How "soon" can you try wormhole encounters? There are different difficulties right? Can i get into them with a beginner ship?
2) How complicated are the fights? Are there any scripted events or special abilities from the opponents? For example, the first boss of Stonecore in WOW (well, can't help but draw examples from the most "regular" MMO out there) will go underground when you have to avoid adds and his underground attacks, and when he surfaces he will spill out poison crystals whick you have to destroy.
So i guesst he question is do you have to do anything more than tank & spank .. and if the fight varies from one to antoher
3) How many people are required? Are there smaller wormholes that can be solo-ed?
You have to bring the right composition of properly geared ships, the players have to know their roles and react at the right times or the fleet dies. I've done 40 mans in WOW and Class 6 wormholes in EVE and the choreography is about the same, other than in EVE the enemy can show up in the middle of the fight and really complicate things. That and if you screw up you can lose a Carrier or two worth about 4 billion ISK.
While EVE's missions are repittious, I find them no more or less challenging than typical MMO quest based content, nor any more boring or interesting. I personally made many billions of ISK mission running, many more crafting datacores and mining wormholes.
That is why I level most of my toons running dungeons. And dungeon quests are not boring because it often requires you to down bosses. However, at the least you don't have to repeat quests in WOW (until end-game) unlike Eve.
There is a science to mission running you know, and once your skills get good enough, and you learn the patterns and how to properly fit your ships you can really increase your efficiency and for mission runners its all about maximizing their ISK per hour. People here say its boring, I've flown with many folks who enjoy it and they're just one of the types of players in EVE.
THat sounds a bit boring. My key question is whether the fights vary and you need to use different abilities/strategy for the fights? While it is true that you still have to repeat dungeons & raids, even in WOW .. at end game. At least there are many different fights out there (just count how many bosses ... even if you don't count the variation in dungeon design & trash fights).
The OP is upset because somebody made him game content and he didn't appreciate it.
Holy crap! A game that has players take an interest in their fellow players? That's a crazy way to build a multiplayer game! I'd prefer to mind my own business and be rendered insignificant to other people when I play a game that has other people in it, after all, it's not like I'm paying 15 dollars a month for the privilege of playing with other people in a massively multiplayer online roleplaying game! Heaven forbid somebody will take in interest in me! That's not why I play with other people online!
Well, to be fair, there is no reason why he should appreciate other players treated him badly. May be he ONLY wants cooperation in a multi-player game.
That is a totally legit preference and there are plenty of multiplayer games you can choose ONLY to cooperate with other players (and i am not only takling abotu MMOs).
For example, there is no reason to diss a player for only want to play co-op mode in Diablo 2.
The OP is upset because somebody made him game content and he didn't appreciate it.
Holy crap! A game that has players take an interest in their fellow players? That's a crazy way to build a multiplayer game! I'd prefer to mind my own business and be rendered insignificant to other people when I play a game that has other people in it, after all, it's not like I'm paying 15 dollars a month for the privilege of playing with other people in a massively multiplayer online roleplaying game! Heaven forbid somebody will take in interest in me! That's not why I play with other people online!
Well, to be fair, there is no reason why he should appreciate other players treated him badly. May be he ONLY wants cooperation in a multi-player game.
That is a totally legit preference and there are plenty of multiplayer games you can choose ONLY to cooperate with other players (and i am not only takling abotu MMOs).
For example, there is no reason to diss a player for only want to play co-op mode in Diablo 2.
He should appreciate it since it is quite clear from his story that another person took an extreme interest in him, and only him, for a period of time and it's not like just anybody except him could of filled that role. He was needed to supply content to the other player and he didn't let the other player down. He could of done many things to upset the other person's game experience but he chose not to do any of them. He should of but he didn't.
What did he learn from it? That when you're thrown off a horse it's best not to get back on it? That for a person of his type the only winning move for him is not to play? That one person's actions (and the only person you interacted with) is sufficient to judge hundreds of thousands of other people?
I would never "diss" a person playing diablo 2 for wanting to play only the coop mode, however, I would cluck my tongue at a person playing EVE online as if he was playing diablo 2 with the expectation that everybody else should play only by his playstyle.
You need to play EVE with the expectation that you can become somebody else`s game content at any time, for better or worse, and to disagree with that is to disagree with everything that is right with EVE online.
Join a nullsec corp and then spend countless hours ratting anomalies for ISK. You then take that ISK to buy ships to take out PvP'ing and get them blown up eventually.
If your not really a part of the corp your in then this is pretty much true.
Uhhhh...no?
All corps do the aforementioned, unless you have botting accounts that haul in your ISK for you. Then all you do is buy, use and lose ships in PvP.
When I said take them out PvP'ing I didn't mean for solo PvP. I meant it for all forms of combat PvP. Fleet, small gang, solo, wartarget hunting etc.
Been playing EVE for a little over a year now and this is tl;dr conclusion of the game:
Join a nullsec corp and then spend countless hours ratting anomalies for ISK. You then take that ISK to buy ships to take out PvP'ing and get them blown up eventually.
Rinse repeat.
Or you could take the easy route and fork over real life cash for plex to sell in game so you don't have to grind the ISK.
The universe is essentially not yours.
But whatever.
Only reason I still play is the rewarding feeling (and the tears of my victim shortly there-after)of killing expensive ratting ships in my afk cloaking bomber.
alright. how'd you suggest the game changes to improve this?
The OP is upset because somebody made him game content and he didn't appreciate it.
Holy crap! A game that has players take an interest in their fellow players? That's a crazy way to build a multiplayer game! I'd prefer to mind my own business and be rendered insignificant to other people when I play a game that has other people in it, after all, it's not like I'm paying 15 dollars a month for the privilege of playing with other people in a massively multiplayer online roleplaying game! Heaven forbid somebody will take in interest in me! That's not why I play with other people online!
Well, to be fair, there is no reason why he should appreciate other players treated him badly. May be he ONLY wants cooperation in a multi-player game.
That is a totally legit preference and there are plenty of multiplayer games you can choose ONLY to cooperate with other players (and i am not only takling abotu MMOs).
For example, there is no reason to diss a player for only want to play co-op mode in Diablo 2.
He should appreciate it since it is quite clear from his story that another person took an extreme interest in him, and only him, for a period of time and it's not like just anybody except him could of filled that role. He was needed to supply content to the other player and he didn't let the other player down. He could of done many things to upset the other person's game experience but he chose not to do any of them. He should of but he didn't.
What did he learn from it? That when you're thrown off a horse it's best not to get back on it? That for a person of his type the only winning move for him is not to play? That one person's actions (and the only person you interacted with) is sufficient to judge hundreds of thousands of other people?
I would never "diss" a person playing diablo 2 for wanting to play only the coop mode, however, I would cluck my tongue at a person playing EVE online as if he was playing diablo 2 with the expectation that everybody else should play only by his playstyle.
You need to play EVE with the expectation that you can become somebody else`s game content at any time, for better or worse, and to disagree with that is to disagree with everything that is right with EVE online.
*cluck* *cluck* *cluck*
LOL .. that is so illogical. People hates unwanted interests all the time. So what if someone is interested to scam him.
Plus, he is playing a TRIAL of a GAME. The whole POINT of trial is to attact new players, not turning them off. You sound as if people needs to do RESEARCH before trying a GAME. Well, get real. Games are entertainment and they should not require a boat load of work before even playing a TRIAL. That is what the trial is for.
And so what if he disagrees with everything that is "right" (according to you) with Eve. Everyone wants a different game.
Eve FAILED to attact this new player ... period. He has a bad experience during trial .. period.
There is no reason why he should appreciate a GAME trial that gives him bad experiences. He didn't. You can sue him for it.
The OP is upset because somebody made him game content and he didn't appreciate it.
Holy crap! A game that has players take an interest in their fellow players? That's a crazy way to build a multiplayer game! I'd prefer to mind my own business and be rendered insignificant to other people when I play a game that has other people in it, after all, it's not like I'm paying 15 dollars a month for the privilege of playing with other people in a massively multiplayer online roleplaying game! Heaven forbid somebody will take in interest in me! That's not why I play with other people online!
Well, to be fair, there is no reason why he should appreciate other players treated him badly. May be he ONLY wants cooperation in a multi-player game.
That is a totally legit preference and there are plenty of multiplayer games you can choose ONLY to cooperate with other players (and i am not only takling abotu MMOs).
For example, there is no reason to diss a player for only want to play co-op mode in Diablo 2.
He should appreciate it since it is quite clear from his story that another person took an extreme interest in him, and only him, for a period of time and it's not like just anybody except him could of filled that role. He was needed to supply content to the other player and he didn't let the other player down. He could of done many things to upset the other person's game experience but he chose not to do any of them. He should of but he didn't.
What did he learn from it? That when you're thrown off a horse it's best not to get back on it? That for a person of his type the only winning move for him is not to play? That one person's actions (and the only person you interacted with) is sufficient to judge hundreds of thousands of other people?
I would never "diss" a person playing diablo 2 for wanting to play only the coop mode, however, I would cluck my tongue at a person playing EVE online as if he was playing diablo 2 with the expectation that everybody else should play only by his playstyle.
You need to play EVE with the expectation that you can become somebody else`s game content at any time, for better or worse, and to disagree with that is to disagree with everything that is right with EVE online.
*cluck* *cluck* *cluck*
LOL .. that is so illogical. People hates unwanted interests all the time. So what if someone is interested to scam him.
Plus, he is playing a TRIAL of a GAME. The whole POINT of trial is to attact new players, not turning them off. You sound as if people needs to do RESEARCH before trying a GAME. Well, get real. Games are entertainment and they should not require a boat load of work before even playing a TRIAL. That is what the trial is for.
And so what if he disagrees with everything that is "right" (according to you) with Eve. Everyone wants a different game.
Eve FAILED to attact this new player ... period. He has a bad experience during trial .. period.
There is no reason why he should appreciate a GAME trial that gives him bad experiences. He didn't. You can sue him for it.
He should appreciate the value of player driven content if he expects to enjoy EVE online.
I don't expect you to understand what I`m saying since by your own words above relating to your own EVE trial you looked for the game itself to provide you with your content.
Hmm... I don't look for the game to provide me with content, I accept that I could become another player's content at anytime in game, and out of the three of us - I`m the only one actually playing the game and enjoying it. It`s not difficult to see which of us three has the right outlook for this type game.
He should appreciate the value of player driven content if he expects to enjoy EVE online.
I don't expect you to understand what I`m saying since by your own words above relating to your own EVE trial you looked for the game itself to provide you with your content.
Hmm... I don't look for the game to provide me with content, I accept that I could become another player's content at anytime in game, and out of the three of us - I`m the only one actually playing the game and enjoying it. It`s not difficult to see which of us three has the right outlook for this type game.
Of course you don't mind. You are still playing the game.
The point is that Eve FAILED to attact him .. and many others .. no doubt because of this "becoming content aspect". And you are right, I don't want to be content ... and i don't appreciate games that exploit me to make fun for other players. Thus, Eve loses me (and that other guy) as players.
No one "should" expect to enjoy a game before playing the trial. That is what the trial is for.
That is probably also why it is stuck at 300k subs, despite being the only polished space tactical MMO game.
He should appreciate the value of player driven content if he expects to enjoy EVE online.
I don't expect you to understand what I`m saying since by your own words above relating to your own EVE trial you looked for the game itself to provide you with your content.
Hmm... I don't look for the game to provide me with content, I accept that I could become another player's content at anytime in game, and out of the three of us - I`m the only one actually playing the game and enjoying it. It`s not difficult to see which of us three has the right outlook for this type game.
Of course you don't mind. You are still playing the game.
The point is that Eve FAILED to attact him .. and many others .. no doubt because of this "becoming content aspect". And you are right, I don't want to be content ... and i don't appreciate games that exploit me to make fun for other players. Thus, Eve loses me (and that other guy) as players.
No one "should" expect to enjoy a game before playing the trial. That is what the trial is for.
That is probably also why it is stuck at 300k subs, despite being the only polished space tactical MMO game.
LOL - "Stuck" implies that EVE isn't increasing it's subscriptions.
The point is it's failure to attract you is more a reflection on you then the game.
You sit in the middle of a sand box and expect the sand box, pail, and shovel to entertain you without using them as tools to build with.
Originally posted by nariusseldon Of course you don't mind. You are still playing the game. The point is that Eve FAILED to attact him .. and many others .. no doubt because of this "becoming content aspect". And you are right, I don't want to be content ... and i don't appreciate games that exploit me to make fun for other players. Thus, Eve loses me (and that other guy) as players. No one "should" expect to enjoy a game before playing the trial. That is what the trial is for. That is probably also why it is stuck at 300k subs, despite being the only polished space tactical MMO game.
No one is a content of anybody, that's rubbish.
However it is true that some games have more 'depth' and require more thinking and as such does not suit to everyone. After all, no game does.
The problem is when someone starts complaining about game mechanics without understanding the game. Just because you do not like something does not mean it is broken or faulty.
I have only played EVE once and it was a trial. I didn't really take the time to get into it because I had a few other MMOs on the side and wasn't looking for something new. Well, now after playing Rift for a bit I'm finding myself bored to tears of the standard MMO model. So... I'm considering EVE but really buckling down and learning what it is all about.
The problem is that I can't figure out what the hell kind of game this is? I mean, in WoW you go around and pick up quests, learn to craft, PVP in battlegrounds, do dungeons, etc. What is there in this game for someone who doesn't know ANYONE on the server and is used to the standard MMO? I mean, after the tutorial, what will I find myself doing? I remember I had some missions where I had to deliver things from A to B, and just like the other MMOs that is boring as hell. I quite honestly have no idea what to expect, and was hoping someone might have some references relating to standard MMOs or at least some info for someone like me.
What do you DO in this game?
Sorry about the long post but this I felt I needed to say something about all the bashing between the different MMO’s.
Granted that you are not a game developer, neither am I by any stretch of the imagination, but if you had the chance to bend the ear of the developer, what additions would you want to see put into the game?
From reading the OP your new to the game….So am I, only been playing the game for about 2 week s. There are parts of the game that I really like doing, mission running in a group, some small PvP, and selling stuff that I pick up from salvage runs with the more experienced players.
In EvE you make your destiny what you want. If you want to be a combat jockey then you pick up the skills to do combat runs, if you want to do PvP then you pick up the combat skills in addition to electronics and other skills that you need to have to be effective in PvP. Granted that I have only been playing the game for a short while, but from what I have learned so far there is a lot of things that you have to learn to play this game.
Every MMO that is out on the market, whether (sp) past, current, or future MMO’s, there will always be a comparison to this MMO or that MMO.
In your OP you are comparing EvE to WoW….With that being said, and with me being a former WoW player as well, the difference between the two games is very much night and day.
In WoW the quest lines are easily drawn out for you and if you want to go on a tangent for something else you can and then come back to your original quest line. In EvE if you want to go on a tangent you can, but you have to make notes on where you left off (in-game there is a journal with your missions that helps you with this). Also, with EvE you can pick up a new quest line in a diffent area and go from there if you are bored with the current area that you are in. In WoW that is a little more difficult, as some of the quests in WoW build on each other. The same can be said with EvE and some of the story lines that are there as well.
But for those that have been “trained” on a play style like WoW, it is hard to wrap your mind around the concept of playing EvE where you have to actually think in 3D. An excellent example is when I was doing the beginer training for the sensor training mission. That specific mission had me stumped for a good while until I was able to get someone was kind enough from the Help channel to guild me and talk me through that specific training mission. With WoW you already know what the specific character classes are and what roles they take up in the game, and those roles are expected. In EvE your mission role will (and can) change with each mission or PvP mission that you do either as a solo pilot or in a group (or Corp).
This is what I can pass on to you about EvE is that you have to read!!! Read about the skills, and ship builds and basically everything about the game.
A good example is this: If you go into a combat fight with the wrong build you are going to get your ship blown right out from under you as well as the group that you are running with (if you are in a group). It’s the same thing in WoW, you go into an instance or raid with the wrong build you’re going to get yourself killed and/or your party.
If you come into EvE, WoW, or any other MMO for this fact; thinking that you can pick up the game and just start pwn'ing other players that is the fastest way that you will make enemies in game (or any game for that fact), as word gets around any community of players and it is a huge turn-off for those that do like to help out the new players not to help you out when you are stuck on a mission or s ship build.
Lastly, so as to what to do in EvE…it is anything that you want to do…the game is basically limitless in what you can do in the game, you just have to imagine it. Unlike WoW where the end game is beating down boss xyz for the loot and reputation, please just don’t go and bash a game because you don’t understand the mechanics of the game, or the mechanics are not defined as other MMO’s that are out on the market.
If you still want to give the game a try, find me in game and I will be more than happy to help you out to the extent that I can.
He should appreciate the value of player driven content if he expects to enjoy EVE online.
I don't expect you to understand what I`m saying since by your own words above relating to your own EVE trial you looked for the game itself to provide you with your content.
Hmm... I don't look for the game to provide me with content, I accept that I could become another player's content at anytime in game, and out of the three of us - I`m the only one actually playing the game and enjoying it. It`s not difficult to see which of us three has the right outlook for this type game.
Of course you don't mind. You are still playing the game.
The point is that Eve FAILED to attact him .. and many others .. no doubt because of this "becoming content aspect". And you are right, I don't want to be content ... and i don't appreciate games that exploit me to make fun for other players. Thus, Eve loses me (and that other guy) as players.
No one "should" expect to enjoy a game before playing the trial. That is what the trial is for.
That is probably also why it is stuck at 300k subs, despite being the only polished space tactical MMO game.
Stuck? EVE is the ONLY game to increase consistently in subs since its release. It is now up to 350k, after being at 330k earlier this year. Last year, it was at 300k. So your idea of stuck is... well, wrong.
He should appreciate the value of player driven content if he expects to enjoy EVE online.
I don't expect you to understand what I`m saying since by your own words above relating to your own EVE trial you looked for the game itself to provide you with your content.
Hmm... I don't look for the game to provide me with content, I accept that I could become another player's content at anytime in game, and out of the three of us - I`m the only one actually playing the game and enjoying it. It`s not difficult to see which of us three has the right outlook for this type game.
Of course you don't mind. You are still playing the game.
The point is that Eve FAILED to attact him .. and many others .. no doubt because of this "becoming content aspect". And you are right, I don't want to be content ... and i don't appreciate games that exploit me to make fun for other players. Thus, Eve loses me (and that other guy) as players.
No one "should" expect to enjoy a game before playing the trial. That is what the trial is for.
That is probably also why it is stuck at 300k subs, despite being the only polished space tactical MMO game.
Maybe it's better he didn't stay with it. Maybe that's why they are called TRIAL accounts. If someone trys a game, and doesn't like it,...maybe he should leave. Oh wait, by your logic, it's CCP's fault or the existing players fault that he didn't like the game. Well maybe he should move on then. I don't think EvE failed, I think he made a decision based on the limited amount of time he spent in the game...just like CCP intended.
If I do a trial account in Darkfall or some other game, and hate it...is it their fault? I thought it had something to do with ME. I have sad news for you...not everyone is going to like a trial. It's similiar in human coupling...that's called dating. You don't just marry the first one that bothers to return your phonecall.
Hopefully he will find a game more to his liking. Blaming a game for the EXPERIENCE of a trial account member as long as it was within the game mechanics and he wasn't griefed, glitched, bugged or some other problem...I would say it was the PLAYERS CHOICE to dislike the game.
By your logic, they should REMOVE the trial accounts...b/c it lets players know w/o committing to a monthly fee what the game is about...but if they don't like it...should they get their money back?
I think you should rethink what your definition of a trial is. As far as the player becoming someone else's content...that's semantics. It's an Open World PvP game.....if I see you fly by me, I can engage you. Of course...if you are doing a trial account..maybe that's EXACTLY the type of game you are looking for...hmm...who knew?
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He should appreciate the value of player driven content if he expects to enjoy EVE online.
I don't expect you to understand what I`m saying since by your own words above relating to your own EVE trial you looked for the game itself to provide you with your content.
Hmm... I don't look for the game to provide me with content, I accept that I could become another player's content at anytime in game, and out of the three of us - I`m the only one actually playing the game and enjoying it. It`s not difficult to see which of us three has the right outlook for this type game.
Of course you don't mind. You are still playing the game.
The point is that Eve FAILED to attact him .. and many others .. no doubt because of this "becoming content aspect". And you are right, I don't want to be content ... and i don't appreciate games that exploit me to make fun for other players. Thus, Eve loses me (and that other guy) as players.
No one "should" expect to enjoy a game before playing the trial. That is what the trial is for.
That is probably also why it is stuck at 300k subs, despite being the only polished space tactical MMO game.
Maybe it's better he didn't stay with it. Maybe that's why they are called TRIAL accounts. If someone trys a game, and doesn't like it,...maybe he should leave. Oh wait, by your logic, it's CCP's fault or the existing players fault that he didn't like the game. Well maybe he should move on then. I don't think EvE failed, I think he made a decision based on the limited amount of time he spent in the game...just like CCP intended.
If I do a trial account in Darkfall or some other game, and hate it...is it their fault? I thought it had something to do with ME. I have sad news for you...not everyone is going to like a trial. It's similiar in human coupling...that's called dating. You don't just marry the first one that bothers to return your phonecall.
Hopefully he will find a game more to his liking. Blaming a game for the EXPERIENCE of a trial account member as long as it was within the game mechanics and he wasn't griefed, glitched, bugged or some other problem...I would say it was the PLAYERS CHOICE to dislike the game.
By your logic, they should REMOVE the trial accounts...b/c it lets players know w/o committing to a monthly fee what the game is about...but if they don't like it...should they get their money back?
I think you should rethink what your definition of a trial is. As far as the player becoming someone else's content...that's semantics. It's an Open World PvP game.....if I see you fly by me, I can engage you. Of course...if you are doing a trial account..maybe that's EXACTLY the type of game you are looking for...hmm...who knew?
AMEN to that, I Totally agree with you CactusJack, if the person does not like the trial or game, it is not the makers of that said game that should be blame, but only the person that didnt like the game that should be blame.
Is "blame" even the word we want? No-one is obliged to like the game. No-one is obliged to make a game that suits everybody.
The only "blame" that it would seem possible to attach would be to the attitude that one is entitled to have every game made to suit ones preferences. A game isn't "bad" just because you don't like it. It's only "bad" if it doesn't do what it sets out to do and fails to please the audience it targets. I'm sure the Hello Kitty MMO is an excellent game in the eyes of the 13 year old girls who are the intended customers. The fact that I personally find the whole thing too nauseatingly saccharine to contemplate doesn't make it inherently bad.
And then to say that Eve is one of the only MMOs who have had a steady increase in their subscriber base since the start of the game. It's not "stuck" at 300k.
Also, I believe this discussion has been up again, and again, and again. It's always the same points.
Eve is not a game for everyone. That's it. WoW is not a game for everyone, either. Let's thank the industry that the games can coexist, and that we, as players, roll around in choices.
There was more here, but I decided against it. I might as well dig up my old posts and repost those, as I'd say the same thing now as I said back then. Probably, anyways.
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Is "blame" even the word we want? No-one is obliged to like the game. No-one is obliged to make a game that suits everybody.
The only "blame" that it would seem possible to attach would be to the attitude that one is entitled to have every game made to suit ones preferences. A game isn't "bad" just because you don't like it. It's only "bad" if it doesn't do what it sets out to do and fails to please the audience it targets. I'm sure the Hello Kitty MMO is an excellent game in the eyes of the 13 year old girls who are the intended customers. The fact that I personally find the whole thing too nauseatingly saccharine to contemplate doesn't make it inherently bad.
Blame is the correct word used in this context. The arguement being posed is what is to blame for a game failing to retain a new customer.
Is the product at fault or the customer and their own expectations?
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Because CCP actually PUT pve "quest" content into the game (and didn't they "beef it up" in an expansion?) and there is no good tactical space ship PvE game out there? (STO obviously does not count as a good one).
So there is a glimmer of hope.
Let me be specific. I am talking about tactical combat based content. I have no desire to mine and craft. How is scamming PvE content when you are scamming OTHER PLAYERS?
EvE really isn't a very good PvE game nor should it be since it's main focus is making players the content of the game.
PvEers in EvE only exist to be used by other players.
Whether it's resource gathering, being (suicide) ganked, or just having their stuff stolen by another player; the PvEer is there to be used by other players for their game content.
Infact, that's all everyone in the game is to each other... game content!
The OP is upset because somebody made him game content and he didn't appreciate it.
Holy crap! A game that has players take an interest in their fellow players? That's a crazy way to build a multiplayer game! I'd prefer to mind my own business and be rendered insignificant to other people when I play a game that has other people in it, after all, it's not like I'm paying 15 dollars a month for the privilege of playing with other people in a massively multiplayer online roleplaying game! Heaven forbid somebody will take in interest in me! That's not why I play with other people online!
Well,in truth most activities in EVE (and other MMO's) put you in competition with other players, be it crafting, gathering, trading so one could argue those are all PVP content I suppose.
But in the traditional sense I interpret PVP in MMO's to mean two player actively try to shoot each other and for the most part the activities I listed can be done in EVE without combat (very often anyways)
Now, regarding tactical combat based (PVE) content, I suppose EVE is lacking when compared to the more complicated raiding scenarios in a game like WOW, but truth is the wormhole enounters in EVE are at least as complicated as the typical tank and spank instance found in most MMORPG's out there today.
You have to bring the right composition of properly geared ships, the players have to know their roles and react at the right times or the fleet dies. I've done 40 mans in WOW and Class 6 wormholes in EVE and the choreography is about the same, other than in EVE the enemy can show up in the middle of the fight and really complicate things. That and if you screw up you can lose a Carrier or two worth about 4 billion ISK.
While EVE's missions are repittious, I find them no more or less challenging than typical MMO quest based content, nor any more boring or interesting. I personally made many billions of ISK mission running, many more crafting datacores and mining wormholes.
There is a science to mission running you know, and once your skills get good enough, and you learn the patterns and how to properly fit your ships you can really increase your efficiency and for mission runners its all about maximizing their ISK per hour. People here say its boring, I've flown with many folks who enjoy it and they're just one of the types of players in EVE.
Once again, if your looking for WOW's upper tier raiding, I'll concede, nothing really like it in EVE, but otherwise I think EVE offers a lot of "PVE" content for a player, and in fact, that's what a majority of players are doing at any given moment in EVE.
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Been playing EVE for a little over a year now and this is tl;dr conclusion of the game:
Join a nullsec corp and then spend countless hours ratting anomalies for ISK. You then take that ISK to buy ships to take out PvP'ing and get them blown up eventually.
Rinse repeat.
Or you could take the easy route and fork over real life cash for plex to sell in game so you don't have to grind the ISK.
The universe is essentially not yours.
But whatever.
Only reason I still play is the rewarding feeling (and the tears of my victim shortly there-after)of killing expensive ratting ships in my afk cloaking bomber.
If your not really a part of the corp your in then this is pretty much true.
Well, to be fair, there is no reason why he should appreciate other players treated him badly. May be he ONLY wants cooperation in a multi-player game.
That is a totally legit preference and there are plenty of multiplayer games you can choose ONLY to cooperate with other players (and i am not only takling abotu MMOs).
For example, there is no reason to diss a player for only want to play co-op mode in Diablo 2.
He should appreciate it since it is quite clear from his story that another person took an extreme interest in him, and only him, for a period of time and it's not like just anybody except him could of filled that role. He was needed to supply content to the other player and he didn't let the other player down. He could of done many things to upset the other person's game experience but he chose not to do any of them. He should of but he didn't.
What did he learn from it? That when you're thrown off a horse it's best not to get back on it? That for a person of his type the only winning move for him is not to play? That one person's actions (and the only person you interacted with) is sufficient to judge hundreds of thousands of other people?
I would never "diss" a person playing diablo 2 for wanting to play only the coop mode, however, I would cluck my tongue at a person playing EVE online as if he was playing diablo 2 with the expectation that everybody else should play only by his playstyle.
You need to play EVE with the expectation that you can become somebody else`s game content at any time, for better or worse, and to disagree with that is to disagree with everything that is right with EVE online.
*cluck* *cluck* *cluck*
Uhhhh...no?
All corps do the aforementioned, unless you have botting accounts that haul in your ISK for you. Then all you do is buy, use and lose ships in PvP.
When I said take them out PvP'ing I didn't mean for solo PvP. I meant it for all forms of combat PvP. Fleet, small gang, solo, wartarget hunting etc.
Beats me.
I'm not a game developer.
LOL .. that is so illogical. People hates unwanted interests all the time. So what if someone is interested to scam him.
Plus, he is playing a TRIAL of a GAME. The whole POINT of trial is to attact new players, not turning them off. You sound as if people needs to do RESEARCH before trying a GAME. Well, get real. Games are entertainment and they should not require a boat load of work before even playing a TRIAL. That is what the trial is for.
And so what if he disagrees with everything that is "right" (according to you) with Eve. Everyone wants a different game.
Eve FAILED to attact this new player ... period. He has a bad experience during trial .. period.
There is no reason why he should appreciate a GAME trial that gives him bad experiences. He didn't. You can sue him for it.
He should appreciate the value of player driven content if he expects to enjoy EVE online.
I don't expect you to understand what I`m saying since by your own words above relating to your own EVE trial you looked for the game itself to provide you with your content.
Hmm... I don't look for the game to provide me with content, I accept that I could become another player's content at anytime in game, and out of the three of us - I`m the only one actually playing the game and enjoying it. It`s not difficult to see which of us three has the right outlook for this type game.
Of course you don't mind. You are still playing the game.
The point is that Eve FAILED to attact him .. and many others .. no doubt because of this "becoming content aspect". And you are right, I don't want to be content ... and i don't appreciate games that exploit me to make fun for other players. Thus, Eve loses me (and that other guy) as players.
No one "should" expect to enjoy a game before playing the trial. That is what the trial is for.
That is probably also why it is stuck at 300k subs, despite being the only polished space tactical MMO game.
LOL - "Stuck" implies that EVE isn't increasing it's subscriptions.
The point is it's failure to attract you is more a reflection on you then the game.
You sit in the middle of a sand box and expect the sand box, pail, and shovel to entertain you without using them as tools to build with.
No one is a content of anybody, that's rubbish.
However it is true that some games have more 'depth' and require more thinking and as such does not suit to everyone. After all, no game does.
The problem is when someone starts complaining about game mechanics without understanding the game. Just because you do not like something does not mean it is broken or faulty.
Sorry about the long post but this I felt I needed to say something about all the bashing between the different MMO’s.
Granted that you are not a game developer, neither am I by any stretch of the imagination, but if you had the chance to bend the ear of the developer, what additions would you want to see put into the game?
From reading the OP your new to the game….So am I, only been playing the game for about 2 week s. There are parts of the game that I really like doing, mission running in a group, some small PvP, and selling stuff that I pick up from salvage runs with the more experienced players.
In EvE you make your destiny what you want. If you want to be a combat jockey then you pick up the skills to do combat runs, if you want to do PvP then you pick up the combat skills in addition to electronics and other skills that you need to have to be effective in PvP. Granted that I have only been playing the game for a short while, but from what I have learned so far there is a lot of things that you have to learn to play this game.
Every MMO that is out on the market, whether (sp) past, current, or future MMO’s, there will always be a comparison to this MMO or that MMO.
In your OP you are comparing EvE to WoW….With that being said, and with me being a former WoW player as well, the difference between the two games is very much night and day.
In WoW the quest lines are easily drawn out for you and if you want to go on a tangent for something else you can and then come back to your original quest line. In EvE if you want to go on a tangent you can, but you have to make notes on where you left off (in-game there is a journal with your missions that helps you with this). Also, with EvE you can pick up a new quest line in a diffent area and go from there if you are bored with the current area that you are in. In WoW that is a little more difficult, as some of the quests in WoW build on each other. The same can be said with EvE and some of the story lines that are there as well.
But for those that have been “trained” on a play style like WoW, it is hard to wrap your mind around the concept of playing EvE where you have to actually think in 3D. An excellent example is when I was doing the beginer training for the sensor training mission. That specific mission had me stumped for a good while until I was able to get someone was kind enough from the Help channel to guild me and talk me through that specific training mission. With WoW you already know what the specific character classes are and what roles they take up in the game, and those roles are expected. In EvE your mission role will (and can) change with each mission or PvP mission that you do either as a solo pilot or in a group (or Corp).
This is what I can pass on to you about EvE is that you have to read!!! Read about the skills, and ship builds and basically everything about the game.
A good example is this: If you go into a combat fight with the wrong build you are going to get your ship blown right out from under you as well as the group that you are running with (if you are in a group). It’s the same thing in WoW, you go into an instance or raid with the wrong build you’re going to get yourself killed and/or your party.
If you come into EvE, WoW, or any other MMO for this fact; thinking that you can pick up the game and just start pwn'ing other players that is the fastest way that you will make enemies in game (or any game for that fact), as word gets around any community of players and it is a huge turn-off for those that do like to help out the new players not to help you out when you are stuck on a mission or s ship build.
Lastly, so as to what to do in EvE…it is anything that you want to do…the game is basically limitless in what you can do in the game, you just have to imagine it. Unlike WoW where the end game is beating down boss xyz for the loot and reputation, please just don’t go and bash a game because you don’t understand the mechanics of the game, or the mechanics are not defined as other MMO’s that are out on the market.
If you still want to give the game a try, find me in game and I will be more than happy to help you out to the extent that I can.
Enjoy!
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Stuck? EVE is the ONLY game to increase consistently in subs since its release. It is now up to 350k, after being at 330k earlier this year. Last year, it was at 300k. So your idea of stuck is... well, wrong.
Maybe it's better he didn't stay with it. Maybe that's why they are called TRIAL accounts. If someone trys a game, and doesn't like it,...maybe he should leave. Oh wait, by your logic, it's CCP's fault or the existing players fault that he didn't like the game. Well maybe he should move on then. I don't think EvE failed, I think he made a decision based on the limited amount of time he spent in the game...just like CCP intended.
If I do a trial account in Darkfall or some other game, and hate it...is it their fault? I thought it had something to do with ME. I have sad news for you...not everyone is going to like a trial. It's similiar in human coupling...that's called dating. You don't just marry the first one that bothers to return your phonecall.
Hopefully he will find a game more to his liking. Blaming a game for the EXPERIENCE of a trial account member as long as it was within the game mechanics and he wasn't griefed, glitched, bugged or some other problem...I would say it was the PLAYERS CHOICE to dislike the game.
By your logic, they should REMOVE the trial accounts...b/c it lets players know w/o committing to a monthly fee what the game is about...but if they don't like it...should they get their money back?
I think you should rethink what your definition of a trial is. As far as the player becoming someone else's content...that's semantics. It's an Open World PvP game.....if I see you fly by me, I can engage you. Of course...if you are doing a trial account..maybe that's EXACTLY the type of game you are looking for...hmm...who knew?
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AMEN to that, I Totally agree with you CactusJack, if the person does not like the trial or game, it is not the makers of that said game that should be blame, but only the person that didnt like the game that should be blame.
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Is "blame" even the word we want? No-one is obliged to like the game. No-one is obliged to make a game that suits everybody.
The only "blame" that it would seem possible to attach would be to the attitude that one is entitled to have every game made to suit ones preferences. A game isn't "bad" just because you don't like it. It's only "bad" if it doesn't do what it sets out to do and fails to please the audience it targets. I'm sure the Hello Kitty MMO is an excellent game in the eyes of the 13 year old girls who are the intended customers. The fact that I personally find the whole thing too nauseatingly saccharine to contemplate doesn't make it inherently bad.
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Posting to agree with Malcanis.
And then to say that Eve is one of the only MMOs who have had a steady increase in their subscriber base since the start of the game. It's not "stuck" at 300k.
Also, I believe this discussion has been up again, and again, and again. It's always the same points.
Eve is not a game for everyone. That's it. WoW is not a game for everyone, either. Let's thank the industry that the games can coexist, and that we, as players, roll around in choices.
There was more here, but I decided against it. I might as well dig up my old posts and repost those, as I'd say the same thing now as I said back then. Probably, anyways.
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Blame is the correct word used in this context. The arguement being posed is what is to blame for a game failing to retain a new customer.
Is the product at fault or the customer and their own expectations?
EVE is not just a MMORPG, imo it's not a GAME at all, we player focus on community and numbers rather than killing mob or quest
it's more like an alternate reality where you can do whatever you want in this world, but you have to suffer the consquence of your own actions.
I think it will be a lot more successful if it is a little more game than just a world.