So let me get this straight. In physics time is referred to as the 4th dimension, but in mathematics the 4th dimension is spatial because nobody really has time for complex mathematics.
This brings about a few interesting thoughts. First off, a side scroller game is really 3d because it utilizes 3 separate dimensions. Vertical, horizontal and time.
Secondly, my 6th grade math teacher had no right to time how long it took to do her tests because we hadn't reached that level of advanced mathematics yet. Bitch
Thirdly, if time travel was possible I would go back in time and say that it brought about a couple thoughts cause I really don't have a third point to mention.
Basically yes.. and no.
You see there is this paradox is physics where all the equations work equally well both in time-forward and time-backward.. So the time is not directionally fixed (it's not a vector). So.. Actually time IS a full 4th dimension, it's just that we are not percieving it as such being limited by our sensory apparatus (and not being immortal and so on).
So... actually the whole of Einstein's theory and cosmology is based on time being a full 2-way dimension. As a thought experiment you can imagine a creature which is on a fixed rail of limited length and which progresses from the beginning to the end at a constant speed... while at the same time being able to freely move in time. Fundamentally it's experience wouldn't be any different from a human's.
And then entropy comes into play and messes up everything. Or does it? Chaos theory hints otherwise..
But I digress...
GW2 sucks because it is not working in a free-time continuum with players being able to sample any moment in the game since its beginning to ultimate demise! Why am I forced to be on rails - moment to moment to moment on this linear time track!?! imo it is nigh time for the mmo players to be omnipresent and omniscent within the ultimate content of the game and thus guaranteed a speedy transfer into gamer's enlightenment / nirvana?!!
4-D is just another dimension in space. Research teserects and such, those are 4-D structures in a 3-D light (since we can't actually see 4-D and its all theoretical).
As i said 4D is time.
GW2 could implement 4D in the way that everything changes/decays over time. It would be extremely hard as you have to create a world that can totally change (like the Earth has).
4D is time in physics. 4D is a spatial dimension in mathematics.
When you talk about a 4D shape, you're not talking about a normal 3D shape that has a time value, you're talking about something like a hypercube.
I heard that the game requires electrical device called computer to run it. The latest event on Japan have just proved how dangerous electricity-plants are for human civilization. I would have tought ArenaNet to have some common sense and build their game so that it doesn't require electricity to be played.
The only way GW2 can be revolutionary is if it was not even a game at all. HEY EVERYONE LETS GO LARP! Shoot fireworks and throw water on eachother for the Elementalist Class. Shoot each other with musket pistols Set our dogs on each other. Shout to cause fear. Lets get medieval!!!!!!!!
The only way GW2 can be revolutionary is if it was not even a game at all. HEY EVERYONE LETS GO LARP! Shoot fireworks and throw water on eachother for the Elementalist Class. Shoot each other with musket pistols Set our dogs on each other. Shout to cause fear. Lets get medieval!!!!!!!!
Little children LARP in Guild Wars 2. It's true. Listen to the human sound clips from human week... darn LARPers.
The only way GW2 can be revolutionary is if it was not even a game at all. HEY EVERYONE LETS GO LARP! Shoot fireworks and throw water on eachother for the Elementalist Class. Shoot each other with musket pistols Set our dogs on each other. Shout to cause fear. Lets get medieval!!!!!!!!
Little children LARP in Guild Wars 2. It's true. Listen to the human sound clips from human week... darn LARPers.
Really? That is so cool!!!! I never played any demos so I wouldnt know. But yah that just adds more to the living world aspect of the game.
I didn't assume you was talking about a special time, i was stating that smell or any other sense its not 4D.
Well, you clearly go by a specific definition of 4D since you say I am wrong. I extrapolated on the 4D used in cinema and that is what I meant - 4D as in water being sprayed in your face etc etc. I guess that's hard to understand, for which I am sorry.
- And yes, I do know that generally, senses have nothing to do with dimensions. I assume that you use your understanding of dimensions by remembering what you learned in school or something, so if you read up a bit on theories by people such as Michio Kaku, you'd know that dimensions have no clear definition, and as such there's no right or wrong answer. Theorists contemplate on how senses pretty much make up how we perceive dimensions, and as such there technically would be a correlation between senses and dimensions.
Yeah, it may sound entangled but I'm too tired right now to word it any differently.
Yeah, I hate how ArenaNet claim to be making a revolutionary MMO but they give us the option for 3D gaming. Well that's not good enough. I WANT 4D GAMING. I want to feel the electricity flowing through my body everytime I switch to Air attunement. I want to be slapped in the face everytime I fail to dodge. And I want to feel the flames as the forums ignite. ^_^
OMG you wont believe how much this one just made me laugh! You win this thread
Enough talk! We need to decide a place to meet up an have a GW2 PvP match! (Goes off to town to buy a bow, some arrows, a jerrycan, some duck tape, bear traps and a military trained german shephard)
We're all Geniuses. Most of us just don't know it.
I didn't assume you was talking about a special time, i was stating that smell or any other sense its not 4D.
Well, you clearly go by a specific definition of 4D since you say I am wrong. I extrapolated on the 4D used in cinema and that is what I meant - 4D as in water being sprayed in your face etc etc. I guess that's hard to understand, for which I am sorry.
- And yes, I do know that generally, senses have nothing to do with dimensions. I assume that you use your understanding of dimensions by remembering what you learned in school or something, so if you read up a bit on theories by people such as Michio Kaku, you'd know that dimensions have no clear definition, and as such there's no right or wrong answer. Theorists contemplate on how senses pretty much make up how we perceive dimensions, and as such there technically would be a correlation between senses and dimensions.
Yeah, it may sound entangled but I'm too tired right now to word it any differently.
I understand what your saying however i believe its just a cheap marketing scheme and isn't actual 4D.
I was really looking forward to GW2, till the Manifesto video, and I realised they had failed to promise that the game was actually real, and you would be controlling people in a parallel universe that you can visit with a dimensional portal in the first expansion and be hailed as a god-king and given wenches and cake. My heart hasn't broken this hard since Cryptic failed to deliver my Vulcan love slave when I pre-ordered STO.
A lot of those were getting intercepted at the post office, I'm afraid to say.
That's why you should have paid the ltitle bit extra for certified delivery.
On the other hand, thanks to you there's a happy postal employee getting a little Pon Farr action.
Oh then Arenanet is going to have to make up for STO failure, or GW2 will be uber fail. Since the postal employees got our Vulcan Love slaves, ANet needs to send Charr Warriors with GW2 collector’s edition. Then the postal employees will open the package thinking they will be getting a Krytan Love slave, then out pops a Charr with a flaming sword. Oh yeah then human butt whooping all around.
I guess my disappointment with Arena-net will include the graphics, they say they will send a re-animated zombie Leonardo Di Vinci to paint with liquid awesome the backdrops and textures for the game all over your circular 6-D mind-meld monitor, but I suspect they will just send one of those cheap clones of Andy Warhol with a spray can instead.
And then there is the sound, though in the trailer it appears that we have yet more eardrum orgies from that Demi-God of orchestral composition Jeremy “Beethoven is his bitch” Soule, who the legends say swore on Zeus’s deathbed to dedicate his life to raising humanity’s minds to a higher plane though his harnessing of the music of the spheres, and the chants of muses, but if it turns out to be just a small band of microscopic goblins injected into our eardrums with sheet music stolen from Soul’s sacred music fortress, and instruments made of re-incarnated tooth picks and Lego bricks, well, don’t say I didn’t call it.
And one more thing, the CE is supposed to contain the elixir of immortality, twelve and a half space shuttles, and a Bible autographed by God right? However I bet real money that even the sword that turns all enemies into piles of gold and Natalie Portman in one hit (with glow!) won’t be included. Not to mention the free mount (also Natalie Portman).
Originally posted by AKASlaphappy Originally posted by Meowhead
Originally posted by zevni78 I was really looking forward to GW2, till the Manifesto video, and I realised they had failed to promise that the game was actually real, and you would be controlling people in a parallel universe that you can visit with a dimensional portal in the first expansion and be hailed as a god-king and given wenches and cake. My heart hasn't broken this hard since Cryptic failed to deliver my Vulcan love slave when I pre-ordered STO.
A lot of those were getting intercepted at the post office, I'm afraid to say. That's why you should have paid the ltitle bit extra for certified delivery. On the other hand, thanks to you there's a happy postal employee getting a little Pon Farr action.
Oh then Arenanet is going to have to make up for STO failure, or GW2 will be uber fail. Since the postal employees got our Vulcan Love slaves, ANet needs to send Charr Warriors with GW2 collectors edition. Then the postal employees will open the package thinking they will be getting a Krytan Love slave, then out pops a Charr with a flaming sword. Oh yeah then human butt whooping all around.
That will teach them for taking our Pon Farr!
They could alternately just send Grow Your Own Sylvari kits. Postal workers are notoriously bad gardeners so they would never understand how to grow the sexy plant girls, they would probably end up growing a rampaging Oakheart instead. So its a win-win: if the postal workers hijack our CE swag, he gets mauled; if we actually get our swag, we can get out love-slaves (also, not get mauled by charr).
It's only revolutionary if sever v server PvP lets us go gank other game's servers - I'd very much like to go to a WoW PvE server and gank the lot of them.
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Basically yes.. and no.
You see there is this paradox is physics where all the equations work equally well both in time-forward and time-backward.. So the time is not directionally fixed (it's not a vector). So.. Actually time IS a full 4th dimension, it's just that we are not percieving it as such being limited by our sensory apparatus (and not being immortal and so on).
So... actually the whole of Einstein's theory and cosmology is based on time being a full 2-way dimension. As a thought experiment you can imagine a creature which is on a fixed rail of limited length and which progresses from the beginning to the end at a constant speed... while at the same time being able to freely move in time. Fundamentally it's experience wouldn't be any different from a human's.
And then entropy comes into play and messes up everything. Or does it? Chaos theory hints otherwise..
But I digress...
GW2 sucks because it is not working in a free-time continuum with players being able to sample any moment in the game since its beginning to ultimate demise! Why am I forced to be on rails - moment to moment to moment on this linear time track!?! imo it is nigh time for the mmo players to be omnipresent and omniscent within the ultimate content of the game and thus guaranteed a speedy transfer into gamer's enlightenment / nirvana?!!
yeah thts why there are not a single game yet that have succeeded.... all failed.....
Thats not actually 4D. Its just marketing as it says.
It's 4D as much as anything else is. You simply assumed that I was talking about spacial time, which wasn't the case.
Eleanor Rigby.
People that say smell isn't another dimension haven't been around my cousin when he takes his shoes off.
All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.
I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.
I don't hate much, but I hate Apple© with a passion. If Steve Jobs was alive, I would punch him in the face.
Not necessarily
I heard that the game requires electrical device called computer to run it. The latest event on Japan have just proved how dangerous electricity-plants are for human civilization. I would have tought ArenaNet to have some common sense and build their game so that it doesn't require electricity to be played.
I'm boycotting this game!
Lolz to the OP.
The only way GW2 can be revolutionary is if it was not even a game at all. HEY EVERYONE LETS GO LARP! Shoot fireworks and throw water on eachother for the Elementalist Class. Shoot each other with musket pistols Set our dogs on each other. Shout to cause fear. Lets get medieval!!!!!!!!
-I am here to perform logic
Little children LARP in Guild Wars 2. It's true.
Listen to the human sound clips from human week... darn LARPers.
Really? That is so cool!!!! I never played any demos so I wouldnt know. But yah that just adds more to the living world aspect of the game.
-I am here to perform logic
Scroll down to the sound clip titled 'Kids playing - Bandits, Lunch'.
http://www.arena.net/blog/against-the-wall-humanity-in-guild-wars-2It
It's probably one of my favorite voice clips giving an example of the background chatter you can hear.
Reminds me of when I played Psychonauts and I obsessively stalked each and every character so I could hear all the background chatter they did.
I didn't assume you was talking about a special time, i was stating that smell or any other sense its not 4D.
If GW2 was truly going to be revolutionary, wouldn't it overthrow the current government?
All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.
I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.
I don't hate much, but I hate Apple© with a passion. If Steve Jobs was alive, I would punch him in the face.
Well, you clearly go by a specific definition of 4D since you say I am wrong. I extrapolated on the 4D used in cinema and that is what I meant - 4D as in water being sprayed in your face etc etc. I guess that's hard to understand, for which I am sorry.
- And yes, I do know that generally, senses have nothing to do with dimensions. I assume that you use your understanding of dimensions by remembering what you learned in school or something, so if you read up a bit on theories by people such as Michio Kaku, you'd know that dimensions have no clear definition, and as such there's no right or wrong answer. Theorists contemplate on how senses pretty much make up how we perceive dimensions, and as such there technically would be a correlation between senses and dimensions.
Yeah, it may sound entangled but I'm too tired right now to word it any differently.
Eleanor Rigby.
GW2 will suck because it won't have music video's in every aspect of the game similar to this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urNyg1ftMIU&feature=channel_video_title
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?I'm so hot hot hot, date my avatar, avatar?
OMG you wont believe how much this one just made me laugh! You win this thread
Enough talk! We need to decide a place to meet up an have a GW2 PvP match! (Goes off to town to buy a bow, some arrows, a jerrycan, some duck tape, bear traps and a military trained german shephard)
We're all Geniuses. Most of us just don't know it.
The 'in' in innovate stands for thinking 'inside' the box.
To pay for play, or pay not for play, that is the question.
I understand what your saying however i believe its just a cheap marketing scheme and isn't actual 4D.
There is enough sarcasm in this thread to choke a British comedian of the highest caliber.
I have to say I've not laughed this hard in ages while reading a thread on this site, so....thank you. Thank you all. Jolly good stuff, chaps.
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We can only hope, mate, we can only hope.
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Oh then Arenanet is going to have to make up for STO failure, or GW2 will be uber fail. Since the postal employees got our Vulcan Love slaves, ANet needs to send Charr Warriors with GW2 collector’s edition. Then the postal employees will open the package thinking they will be getting a Krytan Love slave, then out pops a Charr with a flaming sword. Oh yeah then human butt whooping all around.
That will teach them for taking our Pon Farr!
I guess my disappointment with Arena-net will include the graphics, they say they will send a re-animated zombie Leonardo Di Vinci to paint with liquid awesome the backdrops and textures for the game all over your circular 6-D mind-meld monitor, but I suspect they will just send one of those cheap clones of Andy Warhol with a spray can instead.
And then there is the sound, though in the trailer it appears that we have yet more eardrum orgies from that Demi-God of orchestral composition Jeremy “Beethoven is his bitch” Soule, who the legends say swore on Zeus’s deathbed to dedicate his life to raising humanity’s minds to a higher plane though his harnessing of the music of the spheres, and the chants of muses, but if it turns out to be just a small band of microscopic goblins injected into our eardrums with sheet music stolen from Soul’s sacred music fortress, and instruments made of re-incarnated tooth picks and Lego bricks, well, don’t say I didn’t call it.
And one more thing, the CE is supposed to contain the elixir of immortality, twelve and a half space shuttles, and a Bible autographed by God right? However I bet real money that even the sword that turns all enemies into piles of gold and Natalie Portman in one hit (with glow!) won’t be included. Not to mention the free mount (also Natalie Portman).
That's why you should have paid the ltitle bit extra for certified delivery.
On the other hand, thanks to you there's a happy postal employee getting a little Pon Farr action.
Oh then Arenanet is going to have to make up for STO failure, or GW2 will be uber fail. Since the postal employees got our Vulcan Love slaves, ANet needs to send Charr Warriors with GW2 collectors edition. Then the postal employees will open the package thinking they will be getting a Krytan Love slave, then out pops a Charr with a flaming sword. Oh yeah then human butt whooping all around.
That will teach them for taking our Pon Farr!
They could alternately just send Grow Your Own Sylvari kits. Postal workers are notoriously bad gardeners so they would never understand how to grow the sexy plant girls, they would probably end up growing a rampaging Oakheart instead. So its a win-win: if the postal workers hijack our CE swag, he gets mauled; if we actually get our swag, we can get out love-slaves (also, not get mauled by charr).
It's only revolutionary if sever v server PvP lets us go gank other game's servers - I'd very much like to go to a WoW PvE server and gank the lot of them.