The moment technology reaches the limits of what is possibile with in the laws of physics, progress will stagnate.
Can you tell me when that moment comes, please? I would not like to miss it...
If you say to someone they are wrong, at least make some sense and put up rational argument.
You are making my point. Because you dont know, you cant tell that the progression in SWTOR is not how it can go. I never said they were right, I only said that your assumption is not the only one that is possible.
You are basing your assumption on a relatively short time of human history. This while predicting technology progress cant be even done very well by experts. And then Im talking about predicting about 50 years in the future.
Everyone assumes we will be travelling the universe some day. But there is no telling if we actually will do. Not in the way Star Trek or Star Wars describe it anyway.
Thats where you are wrong. The moment technology reaches the limits of what is possibile with in the laws of physics, progress will stagnate. Those great leaps are only possible in the beginning.
You dont know what there is still possible within the realm of Star Wars. Their technology is already more advanced then ours, so you can only fantasize about potential progress. The writers can for this reason make up anything they want what happens with technology in the 3500 years and itll stay valid.
Apart from that, Star Wars is not Star Trek. It always has been about simple good vs evil epic adventures. It doesnt try to recreate a Earth in the future.
Who told you that? God I supposse? Way to pull something out of your behind with nothing to back it up.
You know that we are still discovering new ground in physic & that what we thought was for sure isn't really.
Where there is stagnation, there is colaspse, thats the only truth, & OP is justifie to point out the nonsense of the SW universe stagnation.
To the OP though, I would say that its just a fantasy world... it doesn't have to make sense.
Do you really think it's a valid conclusion to say that technology will always improve exponentially based on only 12.000 years of it?
Except the conclusion it is not based on timeline and yes, it is valid.
Technology will always advance exponentially because more of it you posses, faster it advance.
Stone age lasted for more than 2 mil. years followed by Bronze age that lasted about 2 thousands years only. With each new material discovery, human kind gained access to new tools and progressively opened paths for broad field of new technologies.
Since then the development was very rapid because an advancement in single technology was also affecting other fields.
I do agree that OP has a point and introducing a world that takes 3500 years back in time line without notable change in technology and completely missing reasonable explanation is a goof.
Because extrapolation is a valid and certain method of acquiring knowledge!
It always has been and, extrapolating that, it always will be!
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Everyone is missing the glaring, obvious reason for lack of advancement in 3500 years in the Star Wars Universe.
It started like this....Long ago in a galaxy far, far away....
There were hard working aliens from all different planets making remarkable inventions and technological advancements. Then those that didn't have this grew jealous and wanted these advancements for themselves without actually working for them.
So these "highly educated" non-working beings decided to form governmental alliances to 'regulate and control' the scientific advancements and use them for their own political gain and conquest.
...and every sentient being in the universe knows that when buracrats and politicians sieze control of the development of scientific advancements....new discoveries stop and all technological advancements grind to a halt.
Hence, why the SW universe looks the same(and in some ways better) 3500 years ago as it does now.
Thats where you are wrong. The moment technology reaches the limits of what is possibile with in the laws of physics, progress will stagnate. Those great leaps are only possible in the beginning.
You dont know what there is still possible within the realm of Star Wars. Their technology is already more advanced then ours, so you can only fantasize about potential progress. The writers can for this reason make up anything they want what happens with technology in the 3500 years and itll stay valid.
Apart from that, Star Wars is not Star Trek. It always has been about simple good vs evil epic adventures. It doesnt try to recreate a Earth in the future.
Who told you that? God I supposse? Way to pull something out of your behind with nothing to back it up.
You know that we are still discovering new ground in physic & that what we thought was for sure isn't really.
Where there is stagnation, there is colaspse, thats the only truth, & OP is justifie to point out the nonsense of the SW universe stagnation.
To the OP though, I would say that its just a fantasy world... it doesn't have to make sense.
Its my point that you cant know. Geez, how difficult is this? The OP cant know, so there is no telling if the projected progress is unrealistic. I never claimed how it would be.
Also the highlighted part is still true. We dont know what is possible within the laws of physics yet. Those limits havent been found yet. If tjhere is one thing that doesnt makes sense, is that you can advance technology beyond the limits of the laws of physics.
Why do I even try. Stop looking at scifi as examples. They are just fantasy.
Thats where you are wrong. The moment technology reaches the limits of what is possibile with in the laws of physics, progress will stagnate. Those great leaps are only possible in the beginning.
You dont know what there is still possible within the realm of Star Wars. Their technology is already more advanced then ours, so you can only fantasize about potential progress. The writers can for this reason make up anything they want what happens with technology in the 3500 years and itll stay valid.
Apart from that, Star Wars is not Star Trek. It always has been about simple good vs evil epic adventures. It doesnt try to recreate a Earth in the future.
Who told you that? God I supposse? Way to pull something out of your behind with nothing to back it up.
You know that we are still discovering new ground in physic & that what we thought was for sure isn't really.
Where there is stagnation, there is colaspse, thats the only truth, & OP is justifie to point out the nonsense of the SW universe stagnation.
To the OP though, I would say that its just a fantasy world... it doesn't have to make sense.
Who told you that? God I suppose? Way to pull something out of your behind with nothing to back it up.
You're completely missing his point.
It's not about whether or not it's certain technology will stagnate. It's about whether or not it's certain technology will not stagnate.
As you say, we don't know what's certain and what's not. We don't know technology will eventually stagnate or not. We just know that it's not impossible that it will stagnate. We'll only know when that's impossible when we know that it's certain that technology never will stagnate.
And since we're constantly discovering new ground in physics & that what we thought was for sure isn't really we can't make any prediction including "never". We might at some point discover some new ground that for 5000 years totally confuses and confounds us and stagnates all science. Then we might discover some more new ground that takes us further again.
There's no certainty. It's not even certain that there's no certainty.
We don't know what will happen in the future. We don't know what new discoveries will bring. They could bring stagnation. They could bring something else. Saying that stagnation is impossible is just downright ignorant.
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Oh, i got it now. The OP wants this game to be just another fantasy mmo set in the SW universe, where, we are all running around with steel swords and riding mules and such all awhile being stuck on the same planet.
When does Star Wars: The Old Republic take place in relation to the movies?
Star Wars: The Old Republic takes place more than 3,500 years before the rise of Darth Vader
So, with that in mind, please explain why this entire universe has been basically stagnant for 3500 years? Star Destroyer like ships, Jedi with Lightsabers, The Sith, The Jedi and so on.
What was the Earth like 3500 years ago for comparison?
Well, first of all I don't think he's a troll, I think he brings up an intereting point but one that in reflection doesn't really apply. Or at least if he's not serious it still is an interesting point.
In reality 3,500 years is an incredible amount of time. The human race, if it can even make it to the 3,500 year mark (let alone another 100 years *crosses fingers* ) will not even look the same.
But this isn't a game based on science. And even though people will argue to the contrary it really isn't even science fiction, it's science fantasy.
Same could be applied to the Lord of the Rings or any game where "several thousand years ago Alphagator rose to conquer all before him and only Zedanator, the hero in our midst, could stop him."
In any case, I'll just leave you with this:
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Lucy Lawless: Uh, yeah, well, whenever you notice something like that... a wizard did it.
Frink: Yes, alright, yes, in episode AG04-"
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Nah, it is just you who shows the same arrogance as ppl 50 years ago (and 50 years before that and etc).Thinking they can predict how the technology in the future will progress based on what happened in the past. Its one thing to make that mistake once, but its another thing to not learn from that mistake like you do.
There is no telling if we will ever explore the universe beyond our solar system, let alone that we will reach Star Trek/Star Wars like technology. We dont even have valid theories about how to do this at this moment. The theories that ppl work on only raise new questions. So those movies you see are nothing but fantasy for now about how it COULD go.
( ( ~E x:U ~Possible(x) ) -> ( A y:U Possible(y) ) ) which is a tautology.
Originally posted by Sovrath
In reality 3,500 years is an incredible amount of time. The human race, if it can even make it to the 3,500 year mark (let alone another 100 years *crosses fingers* ) will not even look the same.
The Human Race has already passed the 2,000,000 year mark. And we look, on the larger scale of things, pretty much the same.
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In reality 3,500 years is an incredible amount of time. The human race, if it can even make it to the 3,500 year mark (let alone another 100 years *crosses fingers* ) will not even look the same.
I'm confused didn't we hit the 3,500 year mark, a few centuries ago? and that's just based off of known history...
Thats where you are wrong. The moment technology reaches the limits of what is possibile with in the laws of physics, progress will stagnate. Those great leaps are only possible in the beginning.
You dont know what there is still possible within the realm of Star Wars. Their technology is already more advanced then ours, so you can only fantasize about potential progress. The writers can for this reason make up anything they want what happens with technology in the 3500 years and itll stay valid.
Apart from that, Star Wars is not Star Trek. It always has been about simple good vs evil epic adventures. It doesnt try to recreate a Earth in the future.
Who told you that? God I supposse? Way to pull something out of your behind with nothing to back it up.
You know that we are still discovering new ground in physic & that what we thought was for sure isn't really.
Where there is stagnation, there is colaspse, thats the only truth, & OP is justifie to point out the nonsense of the SW universe stagnation.
To the OP though, I would say that its just a fantasy world... it doesn't have to make sense.
Its my point that you cant know. Geez, how difficult is this? The OP cant know, so there is no telling if the projected progress is unrealistic. I never claimed how it would be.
Also the highlighted part is still true. We dont know what is possible within the laws of physics yet. Those limits havent been found yet. If tjhere is one thing that doesnt makes sense, is that you can advance technology beyond the limits of the laws of physics.
Why do I even try. Stop looking at scifi as examples. They are just fantasy.
You sir lack vision & your logic is flawed. Scifi is already here btw & is basicly being held back by profit & desire of controling the masses.
The limites are so far out beyond the scope of our imagination that it is moot to talk about anything of the sort now anyways. Physic as no bound as far as we're concern as it is the law of the multiverse, but I guess that something your not willing to accept.
When does Star Wars: The Old Republic take place in relation to the movies?
Star Wars: The Old Republic takes place more than 3,500 years before the rise of Darth Vader
So, with that in mind, please explain why this entire universe has been basically stagnant for 3500 years? Star Destroyer like ships, Jedi with Lightsabers, The Sith, The Jedi and so on.
What was the Earth like 3500 years ago for comparison?
Logic? Realism? A Star Wars fan craves not these things.
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Talk about bogus, this topic is full of it. Question, how is it that in the prequels everything is shiney and new, then 30 yrs later everything looks desolute and old. Even the sith were ancient and were supposed to be extict but were not. The jedi order were all but wiped out but was brought back by Luke. Does it really matter that SW technology 3500 yrs ago resembles what was happening in the prequels. It's SW and that's all that matters. In that galaxy far far away, they have many advanced technologies that while some have become a staple and while others may have been lost for whatever reason.
Actually, that WAS explained, I believe by Lucas. In the prequels, the galaxy was relatively peaceful and prosperous. Think of it like the 50's and 60's in the US. Big, flashy, inefficient elegant cars/ships were the norm. When things became not quite so peaceful and you had a huge war going on, more practical designs were in demand, and many people flat out couldn't afford new ships and were refurbishing derelict ships. See "80's cars in America".
Also, I suspect you're comparing Naboo ships, big, chrome ships with crazy fins, to rebel ships. Obviously there's a difference in priorities between hauling royalty around and, say, Han hauling contraband in his modified space Winnebago...
Thats where you are wrong. The moment technology reaches the limits of what is possibile with in the laws of physics, progress will stagnate. Those great leaps are only possible in the beginning.
You dont know what there is still possible within the realm of Star Wars. Their technology is already more advanced then ours, so you can only fantasize about potential progress. The writers can for this reason make up anything they want what happens with technology in the 3500 years and itll stay valid.
Apart from that, Star Wars is not Star Trek. It always has been about simple good vs evil epic adventures. It doesnt try to recreate a Earth in the future.
Who told you that? God I supposse? Way to pull something out of your behind with nothing to back it up.
You know that we are still discovering new ground in physic & that what we thought was for sure isn't really.
Where there is stagnation, there is colaspse, thats the only truth, & OP is justifie to point out the nonsense of the SW universe stagnation.
To the OP though, I would say that its just a fantasy world... it doesn't have to make sense.
Who told you that? God I suppose? Way to pull something out of your behind with nothing to back it up.
( ( ~E x:U ~Possible(x) ) -> ( A y:U Possible(y) ) ) which is a tautology.
Originally posted by Sovrath
In reality 3,500 years is an incredible amount of time. The human race, if it can even make it to the 3,500 year mark (let alone another 100 years *crosses fingers* ) will not even look the same.
The Human Race has already passed the 2,000,000 year mark. And we look, on the larger scale of things, pretty much the same.
um, no we don't.
yes we have 2 arms and a head and basic features (etc) but "pretty much the same" to me means that when faced with a beauty of today or a beauty of 2,000,000 years ago, either will do.
And I'm pretty sure that's not the case.
for most people.
But I'm not here to judge.
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You gotta love it when people descend into a debate which neither side can prove, and yet both claim the other is immature, an idiot, arrogant, etc.
Can't we all just get along? That's the only way Star Trek or Star Wars will happen. I am sad that this will probably not ever happen with the human race.
Can we get back on topic? I like reading theories about why the Star Wars galaxy is the way it is, it's all made up so I'm not sure why you guys are flipping out about this stuff...
Thats where you are wrong. The moment technology reaches the limits of what is possibile with in the laws of physics, progress will stagnate. Those great leaps are only possible in the beginning.
You dont know what there is still possible within the realm of Star Wars. Their technology is already more advanced then ours, so you can only fantasize about potential progress. The writers can for this reason make up anything they want what happens with technology in the 3500 years and itll stay valid.
Apart from that, Star Wars is not Star Trek. It always has been about simple good vs evil epic adventures. It doesnt try to recreate a Earth in the future.
Who told you that? God I supposse? Way to pull something out of your behind with nothing to back it up.
You know that we are still discovering new ground in physic & that what we thought was for sure isn't really.
Where there is stagnation, there is colaspse, thats the only truth, & OP is justifie to point out the nonsense of the SW universe stagnation.
To the OP though, I would say that its just a fantasy world... it doesn't have to make sense.
Its my point that you cant know. Geez, how difficult is this? The OP cant know, so there is no telling if the projected progress is unrealistic. I never claimed how it would be.
Also the highlighted part is still true. We dont know what is possible within the laws of physics yet. Those limits havent been found yet. If tjhere is one thing that doesnt makes sense, is that you can advance technology beyond the limits of the laws of physics.
Why do I even try. Stop looking at scifi as examples. They are just fantasy.
You sir lack vision & your logic is flawed. Scifi is already here btw & is basicly being held back by profit & desire of controling the masses.
The limites are so far out beyond the scope of our imagination that it is moot to talk about anything of the sort now anyways. Phisic as no bound as far as we're concern as it is the law of the multiverse, but I guess that something your not willing to accept.
No, there is one thing that scifi writers always ignore and physicist obviously not care about in physics. And thats the limits of the human physical body.
Oh travelling is long? Well, oh lets invent hybernate status. Just like that fairy tale you know.
Oh travelling is long? Well, hybernate makes up for a boring story, so lets just go through hyperspace! Whats that? No clue, but it has hyper in the name, so its awesome! How does it affect human bodies? Meh, they are in The Ship Of Awesomeness, so they are safe!
Oh years on board of a starship will change your muscles and bones into jelly? Well, there is of course artificial gravity, duh.
Oh years on board of a starship makes ppl want to kill each other? Oh np, not these ppl, they are very nice.
Valid fundamental problems left unsolved. This has been the same for decades now. There is no indication that exploration of space will be anything like in Sci Fi. Why? Because we can only look with our eyes which are limited with current knowledge. Assuming that there are no limits for what we can do, is just logically so incredibly ignorant.
The limits of a human is just one part that all scifi writers happily ignore.
No, there is one thing that scifi writers always ignore and physicist obviously not care about in physics. And thats the limits of the human physical body.
Oh travelling is long? Well, oh lets invent hybernate status. Just like that fairy tale you know.
Oh travelling is long? Well, hybernate makes up for a boring story, so lets just go through hyperspace! Whats that? No clue, but it has hyper in the name, so its awesome! How does it affect human bodies? Meh, they are in The Ship Of Awesomeness, so they are safe!
Oh years on board of a starship will change your muscles and bones into jelly? Well, there is of course artificial gravity, duh.
Oh years on board of a starship makes ppl want to kill each other? Oh np, not these ppl, they are very nice.
Valid fundamental problems left unsolved. This has been the same for decades now. There is no indication that exploration of space will be anything like in Sci Fi. Why? Because we can only look with our eyes which are limited with current knowledge. Assuming that there are no limits for what we can do, is just logically so incredibly ignorant.
The limits of a human is just one part that all scifi writers happily ignore.
Considering the fact that you also wrote a response to each one of those proves that the issues have not been ignored...
No, there is one thing that scifi writers always ignore and physicist obviously not care about in physics. And thats the limits of the human physical body.
Oh travelling is long? Well, oh lets invent hybernate status. Just like that fairy tale you know.
Oh travelling is long? Well, hybernate makes up for a boring story, so lets just go through hyperspace! Whats that? No clue, but it has hyper in the name, so its awesome! How does it affect human bodies? Meh, they are in The Ship Of Awesomeness, so they are safe!
Oh years on board of a starship will change your muscles and bones into jelly? Well, there is of course artificial gravity, duh.
Oh years on board of a starship makes ppl want to kill each other? Oh np, not these ppl, they are very nice.
Valid fundamental problems left unsolved. This has been the same for decades now. There is no indication that exploration of space will be anything like in Sci Fi. Why? Because we can only look with our eyes which are limited with current knowledge. Assuming that there are no limits for what we can do, is just logically so incredibly ignorant.
The limits of a human is just one part that all scifi writers happily ignore.
Well, that's all well and good but there is a difference between "oh my anything is possible if we hope and think really hard" and "based on our knowledge, if something were to go down this is the way I can conceive of it".
Writeres like Jules Verne and H.G. Wells were writing about things that hinted at what was to come.
Heck, I find it extremely interesting that the Star Trek Communicator is very reminiscent of the cell phone.
I think writers will spur the imagination and then those that can take up the gauntlet and see what can be made.
It's important to note that "just because one can think it doesn't mean that it's possible. However, if we can think it we might be able to come up with a reasonable substitute at some point. of course we are still learning about this universe.
There was a point in time when we couldn't stop "light" and now we can stop that information and release it. Who would have thought?
It's a very slow process and we are alwasy revising what can and cannot be done. I think part of what makes human great is that we try. It might be folly but even if we fail we learn something that can then be used in another capacity.
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No, there is one thing that scifi writers always ignore and physicist obviously not care about in physics. And thats the limits of the human physical body.
Oh travelling is long? Well, oh lets invent hybernate status. Just like that fairy tale you know.
Oh travelling is long? Well, hybernate makes up for a boring story, so lets just go through hyperspace! Whats that? No clue, but it has hyper in the name, so its awesome! How does it affect human bodies? Meh, they are in The Ship Of Awesomeness, so they are safe!
Oh years on board of a starship will change your muscles and bones into jelly? Well, there is of course artificial gravity, duh.
Oh years on board of a starship makes ppl want to kill each other? Oh np, not these ppl, they are very nice.
Valid fundamental problems left unsolved. This has been the same for decades now. There is no indication that exploration of space will be anything like in Sci Fi. Why? Because we can only look with our eyes which are limited with current knowledge. Assuming that there are no limits for what we can do, is just logically so incredibly ignorant.
The limits of a human is just one part that all scifi writers happily ignore.
Considering the fact that you also wrote a response to each one of those proves that the issues have not been ignored...
Don't bother, Gdemani as already proven that he is an illogical being.
No he didnt, he just ended with a flame. I also never said its impossible, I just pointed out that you cant know IF its possible. Maybe's dont count.
So there is also no telling how progress will go. You guys all make fact out of assumption.
As for onehunerdper : The fact that those questions havent been ignored, is not even remotely close as having found a solution. They just made something up. A sci fi's writers research is basically summed up with :
- Writer : Mr Scientist, is it possible that we will solve the problem of hybernation some day?
- Mr Scientist : Maybe
- Writer : Awesome, so this is a valid solution to that problem for my story!
And you all jump on the writer's bandwagon. Unlike you, the writer maybe doesnt even care if it will ever be possible. He just wants to write awesome stories.
My claim still is that there is no telling that the projected technology advancement in SWTOR is unrealistic. For the idiots among here, Im also not telling that its the ONLY possibility.
yes we have 2 arms and a head and basic features (etc) but "pretty much the same" to me means that when faced with a beauty of today or a beauty of 2,000,000 years ago, either will do.
And I'm pretty sure that's not the case.
for most people.
But I'm not here to judge.
Lucky me that I put in that: on the larger scale of things.
Pretty much the same is not exactly the same. On the larger scale of things I think sharing most charasterics means pretty much the same. Besides beauty is extremely picky. If one thing is only slightly off then something no longer looks beautifull, but is still pretty much the same.
But then again, if you believe that beauty is the only defining factor of humanity then I'm not here to judge.
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Can you tell me when that moment comes, please? I would not like to miss it...
If you say to someone they are wrong, at least make some sense and put up rational argument.
You are making my point. Because you dont know, you cant tell that the progression in SWTOR is not how it can go. I never said they were right, I only said that your assumption is not the only one that is possible.
You are basing your assumption on a relatively short time of human history. This while predicting technology progress cant be even done very well by experts. And then Im talking about predicting about 50 years in the future.
Everyone assumes we will be travelling the universe some day. But there is no telling if we actually will do. Not in the way Star Trek or Star Wars describe it anyway.
Who told you that? God I supposse? Way to pull something out of your behind with nothing to back it up.
You know that we are still discovering new ground in physic & that what we thought was for sure isn't really.
Where there is stagnation, there is colaspse, thats the only truth, & OP is justifie to point out the nonsense of the SW universe stagnation.
To the OP though, I would say that its just a fantasy world... it doesn't have to make sense.
Because extrapolation is a valid and certain method of acquiring knowledge!
It always has been and, extrapolating that, it always will be!
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Everyone is missing the glaring, obvious reason for lack of advancement in 3500 years in the Star Wars Universe.
It started like this....Long ago in a galaxy far, far away....
There were hard working aliens from all different planets making remarkable inventions and technological advancements. Then those that didn't have this grew jealous and wanted these advancements for themselves without actually working for them.
So these "highly educated" non-working beings decided to form governmental alliances to 'regulate and control' the scientific advancements and use them for their own political gain and conquest.
...and every sentient being in the universe knows that when buracrats and politicians sieze control of the development of scientific advancements....new discoveries stop and all technological advancements grind to a halt.
Hence, why the SW universe looks the same(and in some ways better) 3500 years ago as it does now.
Duh!!!???
Its my point that you cant know. Geez, how difficult is this? The OP cant know, so there is no telling if the projected progress is unrealistic. I never claimed how it would be.
Also the highlighted part is still true. We dont know what is possible within the laws of physics yet. Those limits havent been found yet. If tjhere is one thing that doesnt makes sense, is that you can advance technology beyond the limits of the laws of physics.
Why do I even try. Stop looking at scifi as examples. They are just fantasy.
Who told you that? God I suppose? Way to pull something out of your behind with nothing to back it up.
You're completely missing his point.
It's not about whether or not it's certain technology will stagnate. It's about whether or not it's certain technology will not stagnate.
As you say, we don't know what's certain and what's not. We don't know technology will eventually stagnate or not. We just know that it's not impossible that it will stagnate. We'll only know when that's impossible when we know that it's certain that technology never will stagnate.
And since we're constantly discovering new ground in physics & that what we thought was for sure isn't really we can't make any prediction including "never". We might at some point discover some new ground that for 5000 years totally confuses and confounds us and stagnates all science. Then we might discover some more new ground that takes us further again.
There's no certainty. It's not even certain that there's no certainty.
We don't know what will happen in the future. We don't know what new discoveries will bring. They could bring stagnation. They could bring something else. Saying that stagnation is impossible is just downright ignorant.
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Oh, i got it now. The OP wants this game to be just another fantasy mmo set in the SW universe, where, we are all running around with steel swords and riding mules and such all awhile being stuck on the same planet.
Well, first of all I don't think he's a troll, I think he brings up an intereting point but one that in reflection doesn't really apply. Or at least if he's not serious it still is an interesting point.
In reality 3,500 years is an incredible amount of time. The human race, if it can even make it to the 3,500 year mark (let alone another 100 years *crosses fingers* ) will not even look the same.
But this isn't a game based on science. And even though people will argue to the contrary it really isn't even science fiction, it's science fantasy.
Same could be applied to the Lord of the Rings or any game where "several thousand years ago Alphagator rose to conquer all before him and only Zedanator, the hero in our midst, could stop him."
In any case, I'll just leave you with this:
Frink: "Yes, over here, ... in Episode BF12, you were battling barbarians while riding a winged Appaloosa, yet in the very next scene, my dear, you're clearly atop a winged Arabian! Please do explain it!
Lucy Lawless: Uh, yeah, well, whenever you notice something like that... a wizard did it.
Frink: Yes, alright, yes, in episode AG04-"
Lucy Lawless: Wizard!
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Nah, it is just you who shows the same arrogance as ppl 50 years ago (and 50 years before that and etc).Thinking they can predict how the technology in the future will progress based on what happened in the past. Its one thing to make that mistake once, but its another thing to not learn from that mistake like you do.
There is no telling if we will ever explore the universe beyond our solar system, let alone that we will reach Star Trek/Star Wars like technology. We dont even have valid theories about how to do this at this moment. The theories that ppl work on only raise new questions. So those movies you see are nothing but fantasy for now about how it COULD go.
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You realise that's not a logical fallacy right?
impossible := ~possible
( ( ~E x:U ~Possible(x) ) -> ( A y:U Possible(y) ) ) which is a tautology.
The Human Race has already passed the 2,000,000 year mark. And we look, on the larger scale of things, pretty much the same.
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Resistance is futile.
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I'm confused didn't we hit the 3,500 year mark, a few centuries ago? and that's just based off of known history...
You sir lack vision & your logic is flawed. Scifi is already here btw & is basicly being held back by profit & desire of controling the masses.
The limites are so far out beyond the scope of our imagination that it is moot to talk about anything of the sort now anyways. Physic as no bound as far as we're concern as it is the law of the multiverse, but I guess that something your not willing to accept.
Logic? Realism? A Star Wars fan craves not these things.
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Actually, that WAS explained, I believe by Lucas. In the prequels, the galaxy was relatively peaceful and prosperous. Think of it like the 50's and 60's in the US. Big, flashy, inefficient elegant cars/ships were the norm. When things became not quite so peaceful and you had a huge war going on, more practical designs were in demand, and many people flat out couldn't afford new ships and were refurbishing derelict ships. See "80's cars in America".
Also, I suspect you're comparing Naboo ships, big, chrome ships with crazy fins, to rebel ships. Obviously there's a difference in priorities between hauling royalty around and, say, Han hauling contraband in his modified space Winnebago...
No, history did... /sigh
um, no we don't.
yes we have 2 arms and a head and basic features (etc) but "pretty much the same" to me means that when faced with a beauty of today or a beauty of 2,000,000 years ago, either will do.
And I'm pretty sure that's not the case.
for most people.
But I'm not here to judge.
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You gotta love it when people descend into a debate which neither side can prove, and yet both claim the other is immature, an idiot, arrogant, etc.
Can't we all just get along? That's the only way Star Trek or Star Wars will happen. I am sad that this will probably not ever happen with the human race.
Can we get back on topic? I like reading theories about why the Star Wars galaxy is the way it is, it's all made up so I'm not sure why you guys are flipping out about this stuff...
No, there is one thing that scifi writers always ignore and physicist obviously not care about in physics. And thats the limits of the human physical body.
Oh travelling is long? Well, oh lets invent hybernate status. Just like that fairy tale you know.
Oh travelling is long? Well, hybernate makes up for a boring story, so lets just go through hyperspace! Whats that? No clue, but it has hyper in the name, so its awesome! How does it affect human bodies? Meh, they are in The Ship Of Awesomeness, so they are safe!
Oh years on board of a starship will change your muscles and bones into jelly? Well, there is of course artificial gravity, duh.
Oh years on board of a starship makes ppl want to kill each other? Oh np, not these ppl, they are very nice.
Valid fundamental problems left unsolved. This has been the same for decades now. There is no indication that exploration of space will be anything like in Sci Fi. Why? Because we can only look with our eyes which are limited with current knowledge. Assuming that there are no limits for what we can do, is just logically so incredibly ignorant.
The limits of a human is just one part that all scifi writers happily ignore.
Considering the fact that you also wrote a response to each one of those proves that the issues have not been ignored...
Well, that's all well and good but there is a difference between "oh my anything is possible if we hope and think really hard" and "based on our knowledge, if something were to go down this is the way I can conceive of it".
Writeres like Jules Verne and H.G. Wells were writing about things that hinted at what was to come.
Heck, I find it extremely interesting that the Star Trek Communicator is very reminiscent of the cell phone.
I think writers will spur the imagination and then those that can take up the gauntlet and see what can be made.
It's important to note that "just because one can think it doesn't mean that it's possible. However, if we can think it we might be able to come up with a reasonable substitute at some point. of course we are still learning about this universe.
There was a point in time when we couldn't stop "light" and now we can stop that information and release it. Who would have thought?
It's a very slow process and we are alwasy revising what can and cannot be done. I think part of what makes human great is that we try. It might be folly but even if we fail we learn something that can then be used in another capacity.
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... I find it interesting that the Dick Tracy communicator watch is basically the cell phone, as a watch.
... and that's even older. WAY older.
No he didnt, he just ended with a flame. I also never said its impossible, I just pointed out that you cant know IF its possible. Maybe's dont count.
So there is also no telling how progress will go. You guys all make fact out of assumption.
As for onehunerdper : The fact that those questions havent been ignored, is not even remotely close as having found a solution. They just made something up. A sci fi's writers research is basically summed up with :
- Writer : Mr Scientist, is it possible that we will solve the problem of hybernation some day?
- Mr Scientist : Maybe
- Writer : Awesome, so this is a valid solution to that problem for my story!
And you all jump on the writer's bandwagon. Unlike you, the writer maybe doesnt even care if it will ever be possible. He just wants to write awesome stories.
My claim still is that there is no telling that the projected technology advancement in SWTOR is unrealistic. For the idiots among here, Im also not telling that its the ONLY possibility.
Lucky me that I put in that: on the larger scale of things.
Pretty much the same is not exactly the same. On the larger scale of things I think sharing most charasterics means pretty much the same. Besides beauty is extremely picky. If one thing is only slightly off then something no longer looks beautifull, but is still pretty much the same.
But then again, if you believe that beauty is the only defining factor of humanity then I'm not here to judge.
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Resistance is futile.
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