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SW:TOR will not be challenging WoW
Yamota
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According to this article: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-02-02-500k-subs-will-make-sw-tor-profitable the CEO of EA the game will not be "fundamentally challenging WoW".
Not sure what that means but to me it sounds like they will not be catering to WoW players? I dunno, does not make much sense to me.
Also it seems that they need atleast 500k subs to be profitable but 1 million+ seems to be what they are expecting.
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It was said they wouldn't be 'challenging' them out right, but unofficially you can bet your dollar on them hoping to pull a large number away from WoW. Which they will.
Sure it'll compete. Will it win? Who knows. I just hope all the people who made WoW's community unbearable stay away. Not going to happen I think.
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It's star wars, of course their gona pull millions of players from wow, hell star wars is the reasona a vast number of people got into games in the first place, and that will not have been forgotten .
The constant, repetitive determination from the MMORPG community for a 'wow killer' gives me a headache. There's no such thing as a wow-killer, wow will kill itself eventually. Nothing can do it for us.
TOR will be popular, the end.
The only thing it means is that they are saying that they don't need to end up becoming the new market leader to make a good profit but they sure as hell aim to make a huge impact; they want to avoid people getting the idea that anything less than millions of subs would be a failure in the case of Swtor.
Smart move considering how people are prone to exagerate and repeat false rumors (300 mil dev budget omg!!1) even months after it has been debunked.
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Very true DarkPony, another thing people are just not thinking about is that WoW has a HUGE fan base in the orient. Last I saw it was actually larger there than in the USA / EU areas combined. Since SWTOR is NOT being made to cater to those areas, it is bound to have significantly smaller player numbers from that alone.
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If im not mistaken i believe almost half of wows playerbase comes from the orient , Korea and china are huge markets. That said tor will do a good number of subs i believe.
U take star wars fans, bioware fans and mix them and they will get there 1 million subs i believe. They have stated time and again that this game has 8 times the content of knights of the old republic.
Its sorta a given that no game in its first yeaar will hit the 12-14 mil subs wow has had. So anyone saying they arent gonna challenge wow is just being honest.
Can they take some of wows subs probably. I will probably sub to both games. I put to much time into getting to 85 to give up on wow now. That said i fully intend to buy and sub to tor. I admit i come off as a fanboi but i really want tor to succeed.
I love star wars that much. If theres any time for optimism on a game its while its in developement. IF u hate the game already u shouldnt even try it. So yea im excited for tor.
I believe the best thing ea and bioware has done is show people they can make a profit at 500 k subs. If people belive the game will fail at less then a certain amount of subs they are less likely to try it for fear the game will shut down like apb did.
So between that and admiting there game is themepark and not promising things they arent putting in game bioware is playing the marketing part of this extremly smart. That and they really seem to care about polish the only compnay i have ever heard talk this way about polished and done is blizzard.
I know my vote already as well as the (now) six friends that plan on playing this game as soon as it goes live. A big, fat . . . NOT AT ALL!
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No MMO ever is going to challenege WOW. its been 7 years now and it is getting boring.....give up. Just enjoy the MMO you play and stop this obsession with topping WOW.
Same was said about Lord of the Rings and Warhammer MMO, but they failed.
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I dont play wow so it dont bother me.
Personally, I always figured it was the Superhero Complex in regards to WoW. Everyone wants the Superhero to win, while at the same time wanting to see him loose . . . just once. So far it hasn't happened with WoW and that just seems to make MORE people want to see it happen even more.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
Uhm, he is telling their investors that they need 500k to just make a profit and they are hoping for 1 million. So if anyone is getting those ideas is maybe because the CEO of EA are promoting those ideas to their investors?
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Who is obsessing about anything? I am just highlighting what the CEO of EA said.
I personally hope an MMORPG will not challenge WoW because for me that means making a game that is fundmentally different from WoW as to not cater to the same audience. However I doubt SW:TOR will be fundamentally different from WoW.
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I kind of see WoW as an evil disease that can't be cured until someone learns to stop using that game design.
It doesn't seem that farfetched to think that a combination of Star Wars and Bioware is good at least for 1.5 million sales and maybe even 2 million, considering that Aion and WAR were already good for 1-1.2 million sales.
The more interesting issue will be whether SWTOR will be able to maintain 500k subs and more for a period of at least a year. It isn't impossible or unimaginable, but it hasn't been done by any of the top MMO titles of the past few years.
So we'll see, time will tell.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Same was said about Lord of the Rings and Warhammer MMO, but they failed.
How is LOTRO a failure? I can see saying that for Warhammer, but not LOTRO.Currently Playing: World of Warcraft
LOTRO definately did not fail. If that were true they wouldn't have made expansions. Don't get me wrong, expansion doesn't mean 'success' but if I recall Mines of Moria got an award or two. It had a sticker on the box when I got it saying so.
WAR did fail to live upto the hype though. Personally I think LOTRO delivered.
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quoted for truth. also the game looks completely kickass, and so does guild wars 2. wow is going to take som punches in 2011/2012, although it wont die or anything like that.
funny since i hated swtor at first. the graphics looked crap and animations too, but now it looks better than anything else on the market
I've been playing WoW on and off since the first open beta. While my guild has been waiting for new content to arrive, many of us have been playing rift. The other day, a few of us did a BWD run and I couldn't believe how much more dated the graphics looked to me.
You mention that WoW has been around 7 years. That's kind of the problem. It may continue to have the largest player base for a few more years, but the game is horrible to look at, and making insignificant changes to how the water looks doesn't really do much to alter that. Even Blizzard knows this, that's why they're working on a new MMO. The next couple of years will most likely give rise to a number of games that will challenge WoW. If you're an undeterred fanboy, good for you, but nothing lasts forever.
They should be more concerned with making sure their game is polished when they launch because they were expected to launch in thie spring but as you see, that did not happen. I sense a great disturbance in the force...
This! I'm looking forward to it, and I really hope it does well - but SO sick of these topics everyday. They may definately pull quite a few players from Wow - but Wow can afford it, not to mention that Wow pulled in millions of people who never set foot in an MMO before - just by name and word of mouth. Hopefully Tor will do the same! It's not like there isn't room for growth for 'good' games. There are still millions of people who don't game (other than farmville ;P)
It doesn't look better than TERA
Played some beta and the graphics + fluidity of animation is almost hard to believe when you first play it. If SW:TOR looked like that, the WoW slave ships would need to find a way to row themselves.
Shrug. GW2 was expected to be released earlier and now will probably be released earliest in Fall if not in 2012, SWTOR's release is later than expected, stuff like that happens.
So far all the gameplay reports point towards the game being more polished than most MMO's in this stage, at least in the parts that are shown.
TERA looks pretty good without a doubt, although from what I saw it has the same phenomenon as Aion, namely that the character models are a lot better looking and more detailed than the environments. Not that the environments I saw in the footage were bad, they just weren't on the same level as the character models in TERA.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."