All these hacks taking aim at all sectors of the internet....I wonder if there is an internet security bill coming up that is lacking support. I'm guessing it involves strict regulation on internet usage for "security purposes". Basically we are about to trade internet freedom for internet security....just like the pedophiles, and ball gropers at the airport. Freedom for security. I think this is an internal thing, and I don't care if you all think i'm crazy....I just don't trust this administration AT ALL.
All these hacks taking aim at all sectors of the internet....I wonder if there is an internet security bill coming up that is lacking support. I'm guessing it involves strict regulation on internet usage for "security purposes". Basically we are about to trade internet freedom for internet security....just like the pedophiles, and ball gropers at the airport. Freedom for security. I think this is an internal thing, and I don't care if you all think i'm crazy....I just don't trust this administration AT ALL.
I was just having this discussion with a guy at work, whether or not it is an inside job, I can certainly see governments world wide using this to push through new regulations, just like they did with the fear of terrorism
All these hacks taking aim at all sectors of the internet....I wonder if there is an internet security bill coming up that is lacking support. I'm guessing it involves strict regulation on internet usage for "security purposes". Basically we are about to trade internet freedom for internet security....just like the pedophiles, and ball gropers at the airport. Freedom for security. I think this is an internal thing, and I don't care if you all think i'm crazy....I just don't trust this administration AT ALL.
Internet security bill coming up....... prolly.....
Freedom switched for freedom...... check.......
Government/administration responsible bordering on conspiracy? Not likely...... and why? Cause people chasing their grindgear, gathering money ingame or chasing the next level is gonna sit infront of his/her PC doing just that and tell the people in the street to shut the fuck up since they are annoying when you are on your pvp ownage wtf-u're-gonna get pzipped bag-dropped tour is on.
Its like with narcotics and computeraddicts................... you will never see them in the street protesting unless the lokal dealer is out of business or the gameserver/ISP is down. And right now everything is borderline with a huge mass of forumtrolls just ready to go balistic and take to the streets since the trolling is upright spiraling...... and worst..... cant take a gamebreak from trolling....... cause game is down.......
The government knows whats coming for them for this....... So straight get that right, the would never ever dare to do anything like this..... The government/administration wants you right beside your computer on you redbull grind-fest.
All these hacks taking aim at all sectors of the internet....I wonder if there is an internet security bill coming up that is lacking support. I'm guessing it involves strict regulation on internet usage for "security purposes". Basically we are about to trade internet freedom for internet security....just like the pedophiles, and ball gropers at the airport. Freedom for security. I think this is an internal thing, and I don't care if you all think i'm crazy....I just don't trust this administration AT ALL.
Internet security bill coming up....... prolly.....
Freedom switched for freedom...... check.......
Government/administration responsible bordering on conspiracy? Not likely...... and why? Cause people chasing their grindgear, gathering money ingame or chasing the next level is gonna sit infront of his/her PC doing just that and tell the people in the street to shut the fuck up since they are annoying when you are on your pvp ownage wtf-u're-gonna get pzipped bag-dropped tour is on.
Its like with narcotics and computeraddicts................... you will never see them in the street protesting unless the lokal dealer is out of business or the gameserver/ISP is down. And right now everything is borderline with a huge mass of forumtrolls just ready to go balistic and take to the streets since the trolling is upright spiraling...... and worst..... cant take a gamebreak from trolling....... cause game is down.......
The government knows whats coming for them for this....... So straight get that right, the would never ever dare to do anything like this..... The government/administration wants you right beside your computer on you redbull grind-fest.
I don't think you understand my point. What I'm saying is that if the government can piss all these people off, and pretend it was someone else. They then can offer a solution that involves trading "just a little bit" of your freedom for a new sweeping internet reform.
This will get the gamers off there ass to vote. In the short term it will look like a great plan, and everyone will be happy because it got rid of those pesky hackers. Then when the reality sinks in, and the hidden stuff starts showing up, and screwing them worse than the hackers did they have nobody to blam but themselves, and their short sightedness. (Patriot act, healthcare (which will screw us all later))
yet there should be no punishment for taking peoples personal information and connecting it to the internet with inadequate security?
by your logic if hacking should get life, then not properlly securing people's personal information should be punishable by death.
If I leave my door unlocked and someone opens my door, and steals my things I think they should be punished accordingly. I do not think that I should be to blame for my door being unlocked. The person that ignored my property rights, and entered my place without permission is soley to blame. When you violate another persons personal freedoms you no longer should have any of your own.
All these hacks taking aim at all sectors of the internet....I wonder if there is an internet security bill coming up that is lacking support. I'm guessing it involves strict regulation on internet usage for "security purposes". Basically we are about to trade internet freedom for internet security....just like the pedophiles, and ball gropers at the airport. Freedom for security. I think this is an internal thing, and I don't care if you all think i'm crazy....I just don't trust this administration AT ALL.
Internet security bill coming up....... prolly.....
Freedom switched for freedom...... check.......
Government/administration responsible bordering on conspiracy? Not likely...... and why? Cause people chasing their grindgear, gathering money ingame or chasing the next level is gonna sit infront of his/her PC doing just that and tell the people in the street to shut the fuck up since they are annoying when you are on your pvp ownage wtf-u're-gonna get pzipped bag-dropped tour is on.
Its like with narcotics and computeraddicts................... you will never see them in the street protesting unless the lokal dealer is out of business or the gameserver/ISP is down. And right now everything is borderline with a huge mass of forumtrolls just ready to go balistic and take to the streets since the trolling is upright spiraling...... and worst..... cant take a gamebreak from trolling....... cause game is down.......
The government knows whats coming for them for this....... So straight get that right, the would never ever dare to do anything like this..... The government/administration wants you right beside your computer on you redbull grind-fest.
I don't think you understand my point. What I'm saying is that if the government can piss all these people off, and pretend it was someone else. They then can offer a solution that involves trading "just a little bit" of your freedom for a new sweeping internet reform.
This will get the gamers off there ass to vote. In the short term it will look like a great plan, and everyone will be happy because it got rid of those pesky hackers. Then when the reality sinks in, and the hidden stuff starts showing up, and screwing them worse than the hackers did they have nobody to blam but themselves, and their short sightedness. (Patriot act, healthcare (which will screw us all later))
Basically you think we could end up with the PATRIOT Act for the internet. We already gave up alot of those freedoms back in 2002.
in this case, you can punishe them by shoping elsewere, take your money to an other service and lrt them know that. All companys hate that it takes more money to get new people to rplace tje one lost. and yes it does work.
yet there should be no punishment for taking peoples personal information and connecting it to the internet with inadequate security?
by your logic if hacking should get life, then not properlly securing people's personal information should be punishable by death.
If I leave my door unlocked and someone opens my door, and steals my things I think they should be punished accordingly. I do not think that I should be to blame for my door being unlocked. The person that ignored my property rights, and entered my place without permission is soley to blame. When you violate another persons personal freedoms you no longer should have any of your own.
When it's your own property, sure. When it's someone else's property (or information) stolen from your property, then there's more to the story. Particularly so when that property is considered sensitive and there is an expectation for steps to be taken for it to be kept secure, yet the person who's care it's in did not take the proper steps to secure it. That's when negligence comes into play on the part of the 'victim'.
If I leave my door unlocked and someone opens my door, and steals my things I think they should be punished accordingly. I do not think that I should be to blame for my door being unlocked. The person that ignored my property rights, and entered my place without permission is soley to blame. When you violate another persons personal freedoms you no longer should have any of your own.
But if you store the things of lots of other people who trust you, take money for it, and don't even bother to lock the door - shouldn't you be punished just the same?
Lulzsec are not the heroes many make them out to be, you do not go and release customer databases containing user info as a free for all on the net like they have. Effectively punishing innocent users who have nothing to do with the companies they are targetting.
I am fine with them embarrassing companies who we are supposed to trust with our personal info but who do the wrong thing by us, but what they did with user info is extremely malicious. All they needed to do to embarras those companies was release some data to media outlets that could be easily verified.
As for the companies...... I guess the chickens are coming home to roost, outdated data storage, outdated or ineffective security software, and unpatchjed software with glaring holes in it all supposedly securing their "valued customers" data.
yet there should be no punishment for taking peoples personal information and connecting it to the internet with inadequate security?
by your logic if hacking should get life, then not properlly securing people's personal information should be punishable by death.
If I leave my door unlocked and someone opens my door, and steals my things I think they should be punished accordingly. I do not think that I should be to blame for my door being unlocked. The person that ignored my property rights, and entered my place without permission is soley to blame. When you violate another persons personal freedoms you no longer should have any of your own.
When it's your own property, sure. When it's someone else's property (or information) stolen from your property, then there's more to the story. Particularly so when that property is considered sensitive and there is an expectation for steps to be taken for it to be kept secure, yet the person who's care it's in did not take the proper steps to secure it. That's when negligence comes into play on the part of the 'victim'.
I do see what you mean, and in the physical world I would check the security of a location run by someone else before I would trust it with my things, and with the internet you have a certain level of expected security since you can't physically check it...so you are right in that case, but I still think that the only possible "crime" commited is by the people that enter unlawfully into the system. If the "hackers" didn't attack we wouldn't be hearing about any of this.
If I leave my door unlocked and someone opens my door, and steals my things I think they should be punished accordingly. I do not think that I should be to blame for my door being unlocked. The person that ignored my property rights, and entered my place without permission is soley to blame. When you violate another persons personal freedoms you no longer should have any of your own.
But if you store the things of lots of other people who trust you, take money for it, and don't even bother to lock the door - shouldn't you be punished just the same?
Oh ok, by that logic if a bank or something has a vault that is impassible by normal means, and a bunch of thiefs blow the safe up and steal the money, you blame the bank right?
If someone pulls out a gun and robs a clerk, you blame the clerk because the stores survalence camera and his combat skill couldn't stop the gun? It's the clerks job to maintain the store right?
Stop making excuses for the hackers, they didn't go to a sony computer and click administrator and when it asked for a password enter the word "password" and have access to thousands personal files. they obviously went thro very extensive measures to hack these companies.
edit: it kind of reminds me of when someone commits a muder and then blames an artist/music for his actions. It wasn't sony's or any of these company's faults, it was the hackers.
If I leave my door unlocked and someone opens my door, and steals my things I think they should be punished accordingly. I do not think that I should be to blame for my door being unlocked. The person that ignored my property rights, and entered my place without permission is soley to blame. When you violate another persons personal freedoms you no longer should have any of your own.
But if you store the things of lots of other people who trust you, take money for it, and don't even bother to lock the door - shouldn't you be punished just the same?
This is where you get deep into the legal system and the concept of negligence. It is a slippery slope on a good day and not something I suggest is delved into by most forum-dwellers who probably understand half of the nuances and have no reason to care about the other half. I fall into that category with my limited legal background.
The people who are stating "so and so DESERVED" this are way out of line. No company "deserves" to be hacked any more than any bank "deserves" to have money stolen from it. As much as you may not like a company, when individuals take these kinds of actions EVERYONE LOSES.
If you hate SoE, great; I don't love them myself. But if somehow these hackers managed to create a cascading series of events that result in mother Sony somehow losing all consumer support and eventually going under, thousands upon thousands of lives would be impacted and the global competition market would be weaker as well. I suggest people stop thinking about petty concepts and think global implications.
Funny how you all can joke about this but wait and see all this hacking is not good no matter who is being attacked. Expect the internet to become very strict if this hacking continues down this path.
Simple solution to all the hackers if you don't like something then avoid it.
If I leave my door unlocked and someone opens my door, and steals my things I think they should be punished accordingly. I do not think that I should be to blame for my door being unlocked. The person that ignored my property rights, and entered my place without permission is soley to blame. When you violate another persons personal freedoms you no longer should have any of your own.
But if you store the things of lots of other people who trust you, take money for it, and don't even bother to lock the door - shouldn't you be punished just the same?
Oh ok, by that logic if a bank or something has a vault that is impassible by normal means, and a bunch of thiefs blow the safe up and steal the money, you blame the bank right?
If someone pulls out a gun and robs a clerk, you blame the clerk because the stores survalence camera and his combat skill couldn't stop the gun? It's the clerks job to maintain the store right?
Stop making excuses for the hackers, they didn't go to a sony computer and click administrator and when it asked for a password enter the word "password" and have access to thousands personal files. they obviously went thro very extensive measures to hack these companies.
edit: it kind of reminds me of when someone murders someone and the blames some artist/music for his actions. It wasn't sony's or any of these company's faults, it was the hackers.
*facepalm*
It's based on the reasonable expecation. If a bank leaves people's money laying around on the floor, when the expectation is that it would be secured, they're negligent. If they keep it in a vault, yet it's still stolen, then they're not negligent because they met the expectation.
It's not about trying to justify the hacking or absolve them of blame. My information was stolen in the Sony hack, and I very much blame the hackers. But I also blame Sony in addition to the hackers because they were negligent in their security practices. They've openly admitted their system was out of date and most of the personal data was not stored in a secure method, i.e. encrypted. Hell the passwords weren't even hashed, which is pretty much the bare minimum of standard practice for storing passwords.
If I leave my door unlocked and someone opens my door, and steals my things I think they should be punished accordingly. I do not think that I should be to blame for my door being unlocked. The person that ignored my property rights, and entered my place without permission is soley to blame. When you violate another persons personal freedoms you no longer should have any of your own.
But if you store the things of lots of other people who trust you, take money for it, and don't even bother to lock the door - shouldn't you be punished just the same?
Oh ok, by that logic if a bank or something has a vault that is impassible by normal means, and a bunch of thiefs blow the safe up and steal the money, you blame the bank right?
If someone pulls out a gun and robs a clerk, you blame the clerk because the stores survalence camera and his combat skill couldn't stop the gun? It's the clerks job to maintain the store right?
Stop making excuses for the hackers, they didn't go to a sony computer and click administrator and when it asked for a password enter the word "password" and have access to thousands personal files. they obviously went thro very extensive measures to hack these companies.
edit: it kind of reminds me of when someone murders someone and the blames some artist/music for his actions. It wasn't sony's or any of these company's faults, it was the hackers.
*facepalm*
It's based on the reasonable expecation. If a bank leaves people's money laying around on the floor, when the expectation is that it would be secured, they're negligent. If they keep it in a vault, yet it's still stolen, then they're not negligent because they met the expectation.
It's not about trying to justify the hacking or absolve them of blame. My information was stolen in the Sony hack, and I very much blame the hackers. But I also blame Sony in addition to the hackers because they were negligent in their security practices. They've openly admitted their system was out of date and most of the personal data was not stored in a secure method, i.e. encrypted. Hell the passwords weren't even hashed, which is pretty much the bare minimum of standard practice for storing passwords.
Ok, thats sony, but what would you say about these other companies?
1) These acts of hacking into databases and performing denial of service attacks are considered crimal acts by most of society.
2) Performing a criminal act, with or without the intent of it being a criminal act, is a crime. This may however may not be true in some extreme cases, such as accidently killing another person in self defense.
3) Criminals, who perform crimes, are punished by society.
Taaadaaa. If you cannot handle rational thought, and want to continue defending these criminals, you are welcome to. Just note that no other person who has any semblance of intelligent thought will most likely agree with you.
One thing I cannot comprehend though, is how anyone can think that a company "deserves" to be hacked. This fiasco with Sony has cost them a great deal of money, and has compromised the identities and financial security of a great many people. There is no reason this vigilante "justice" on any "big bad company" should ever be considered a decent or moral act, and that is because it ignores the law and can cause harm to innocents.
The criminals who perform these acts deserve to be punished under the full extent of the law. If there isn't enough laws in place these punish these people, then legislation needs to be put into effect to ensure that these criminals can be punished.
1) These acts of hacking into databases and performing denial of service attacks are considered crimal acts by most of society.
2) Performing a criminal act, with or without the intent of it being a criminal act, is a crime. This may however may not be true in some extreme cases, such as accidently killing another person in self defense.
3) Criminals, who perform crimes, are punished by society.
Taaadaaa. If you cannot handle rational thought, and want to continue defending these criminals, you are welcome to. Just note that no other person who has any semblance of intelligent thought will most likely agree with you.
One thing I cannot comprehend though, is how you think that any company "deserves" to be hacked. This fiasco with Sony has cost them a great deal of money, and has compromised the identities and financial security of a great many people. There is no reason this vigilante "justice" on any "big bad company" should ever be considered a decent or moral act, and that is because it ignores the law and can cause harm to innocents.
The criminals who perform these acts deserve to feel the full extent of the law.
Should just make some new laws making penalties for doing these types of attacks more stringent.
Maybe a 5~10K$ fine?
I know if I had kids and ended up having to pay 10K dollars because they were dicking around on the internet doing DDoS on some random stupid company... they'd lose their computer pretty fast.
I'm pretty sure 5 - 10 years in prison would be a better deterrent.
Hell... You are obviously soft on "cyber terrorism"... Making it a death sentence, or at the very least a trip to Gitmo is what should be done. This is a matter of the Security of The Home Land, after all...
If I leave my door unlocked and someone opens my door, and steals my things I think they should be punished accordingly. I do not think that I should be to blame for my door being unlocked. The person that ignored my property rights, and entered my place without permission is soley to blame. When you violate another persons personal freedoms you no longer should have any of your own.
But if you store the things of lots of other people who trust you, take money for it, and don't even bother to lock the door - shouldn't you be punished just the same?
Oh ok, by that logic if a bank or something has a vault that is impassible by normal means, and a bunch of thiefs blow the safe up and steal the money, you blame the bank right?
If someone pulls out a gun and robs a clerk, you blame the clerk because the stores survalence camera and his combat skill couldn't stop the gun? It's the clerks job to maintain the store right?
Stop making excuses for the hackers, they didn't go to a sony computer and click administrator and when it asked for a password enter the word "password" and have access to thousands personal files. they obviously went thro very extensive measures to hack these companies.
edit: it kind of reminds me of when someone murders someone and the blames some artist/music for his actions. It wasn't sony's or any of these company's faults, it was the hackers.
*facepalm*
It's based on the reasonable expecation. If a bank leaves people's money laying around on the floor, when the expectation is that it would be secured, they're negligent. If they keep it in a vault, yet it's still stolen, then they're not negligent because they met the expectation.
It's not about trying to justify the hacking or absolve them of blame. My information was stolen in the Sony hack, and I very much blame the hackers. But I also blame Sony in addition to the hackers because they were negligent in their security practices. They've openly admitted their system was out of date and most of the personal data was not stored in a secure method, i.e. encrypted. Hell the passwords weren't even hashed, which is pretty much the bare minimum of standard practice for storing passwords.
Ok, thats sony, but what would you say about these other companies?
Oh and just wondering, did ccp evne get hacked, i thought it was just a ddos attack or w/e its called?
Most of the other targets weren't actually hacked, just DDoS'd
I'm not trying to defend the hacking, nor do I know the exact reasoning and justification, I can only speculate. My best guess is that they're trying to humiliate the government and large corporations that have a penchant for picking on individuals. If thats so, I can see where they're coming from, but they're going about it the wrong way.
If they've done anything, it's prove that the Internet is very vulnerable... which is likely going to cause issues for all of us in the future when the noose of tightens around the freedom of the Internet in the name of security.
Should just make some new laws making penalties for doing these types of attacks more stringent.
Maybe a 5~10K$ fine?
I know if I had kids and ended up having to pay 10K dollars because they were dicking around on the internet doing DDoS on some random stupid company... they'd lose their computer pretty fast.
I'm pretty sure 5 - 10 years in prison would be a better deterrent.
That would work for older people.. but some countries don't send minors to prison..
Like the USA where i live.. minors usually end up doing something dumb like 50 hours community service..
steal a car>>> go clean trash for 3 weekends..
If there was a fine that made the parents of the young troublemakers like this actually do their job and monitor their children a little bit... then maybe things like this would be less common.
this would be a little differnt then taking a joy ride ... Hacking like this falls under Federal law you would do serious time in a serious place not just some community service. Anything done out of the state the comapny is automaticly gets you federal heat.
That said there should be public caning lets start whooping asses in public i bet that stops it fast !
Why stop at caning? I'm certain that if you water board them, you'd get everything they know damn fast. Then you could ship them off to gitmo. Lets not take half measures in these situations... We must do what ever is necessary to fight the Global War against Cyber Terrorism...
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All these hacks taking aim at all sectors of the internet....I wonder if there is an internet security bill coming up that is lacking support. I'm guessing it involves strict regulation on internet usage for "security purposes". Basically we are about to trade internet freedom for internet security....just like the pedophiles, and ball gropers at the airport. Freedom for security. I think this is an internal thing, and I don't care if you all think i'm crazy....I just don't trust this administration AT ALL.
I was just having this discussion with a guy at work, whether or not it is an inside job, I can certainly see governments world wide using this to push through new regulations, just like they did with the fear of terrorism
shhh... you might wake the trolls
why does everyone think the hackers are kids?
also there was an article in the time's today that said 1/4 hackers work for the US government.
http://techland.time.com/2011/06/07/one-in-four-hackers-works-for-the-u-s-government/
if anyone cares.
Internet security bill coming up....... prolly.....
Freedom switched for freedom...... check.......
Government/administration responsible bordering on conspiracy? Not likely...... and why? Cause people chasing their grindgear, gathering money ingame or chasing the next level is gonna sit infront of his/her PC doing just that and tell the people in the street to shut the fuck up since they are annoying when you are on your pvp ownage wtf-u're-gonna get pzipped bag-dropped tour is on.
Its like with narcotics and computeraddicts................... you will never see them in the street protesting unless the lokal dealer is out of business or the gameserver/ISP is down. And right now everything is borderline with a huge mass of forumtrolls just ready to go balistic and take to the streets since the trolling is upright spiraling...... and worst..... cant take a gamebreak from trolling....... cause game is down.......
The government knows whats coming for them for this....... So straight get that right, the would never ever dare to do anything like this..... The government/administration wants you right beside your computer on you redbull grind-fest.
Bah if one deserves it so does the other , your thinking is flawed.
Not an attack against you but if one should get hacked why should the other one be any differant or is it just because you dont like sony.
These fools need to be caught and thrown in jail they are just a bunch of fools .
league of legends also got hit..can barely get into the game now.
yet there should be no punishment for taking peoples personal information and connecting it to the internet with inadequate security?
by your logic if hacking should get life, then not properlly securing people's personal information should be punishable by death.
Games i'm playing right now...
"In short, I thought NGE was a very bad idea" - Raph Koster talking about NGE on his blog at raphkoster.com
I don't think you understand my point. What I'm saying is that if the government can piss all these people off, and pretend it was someone else. They then can offer a solution that involves trading "just a little bit" of your freedom for a new sweeping internet reform.
This will get the gamers off there ass to vote. In the short term it will look like a great plan, and everyone will be happy because it got rid of those pesky hackers. Then when the reality sinks in, and the hidden stuff starts showing up, and screwing them worse than the hackers did they have nobody to blam but themselves, and their short sightedness. (Patriot act, healthcare (which will screw us all later))
If I leave my door unlocked and someone opens my door, and steals my things I think they should be punished accordingly. I do not think that I should be to blame for my door being unlocked. The person that ignored my property rights, and entered my place without permission is soley to blame. When you violate another persons personal freedoms you no longer should have any of your own.
Basically you think we could end up with the PATRIOT Act for the internet. We already gave up alot of those freedoms back in 2002.
in this case, you can punishe them by shoping elsewere, take your money to an other service and lrt them know that. All companys hate that it takes more money to get new people to rplace tje one lost. and yes it does work.
When it's your own property, sure. When it's someone else's property (or information) stolen from your property, then there's more to the story. Particularly so when that property is considered sensitive and there is an expectation for steps to be taken for it to be kept secure, yet the person who's care it's in did not take the proper steps to secure it. That's when negligence comes into play on the part of the 'victim'.
But if you store the things of lots of other people who trust you, take money for it, and don't even bother to lock the door - shouldn't you be punished just the same?
Hype train -> Reality
Lulzsec are not the heroes many make them out to be, you do not go and release customer databases containing user info as a free for all on the net like they have. Effectively punishing innocent users who have nothing to do with the companies they are targetting.
I am fine with them embarrassing companies who we are supposed to trust with our personal info but who do the wrong thing by us, but what they did with user info is extremely malicious. All they needed to do to embarras those companies was release some data to media outlets that could be easily verified.
As for the companies...... I guess the chickens are coming home to roost, outdated data storage, outdated or ineffective security software, and unpatchjed software with glaring holes in it all supposedly securing their "valued customers" data.
I do see what you mean, and in the physical world I would check the security of a location run by someone else before I would trust it with my things, and with the internet you have a certain level of expected security since you can't physically check it...so you are right in that case, but I still think that the only possible "crime" commited is by the people that enter unlawfully into the system. If the "hackers" didn't attack we wouldn't be hearing about any of this.
Oh ok, by that logic if a bank or something has a vault that is impassible by normal means, and a bunch of thiefs blow the safe up and steal the money, you blame the bank right?
If someone pulls out a gun and robs a clerk, you blame the clerk because the stores survalence camera and his combat skill couldn't stop the gun? It's the clerks job to maintain the store right?
Stop making excuses for the hackers, they didn't go to a sony computer and click administrator and when it asked for a password enter the word "password" and have access to thousands personal files. they obviously went thro very extensive measures to hack these companies.
edit: it kind of reminds me of when someone commits a muder and then blames an artist/music for his actions. It wasn't sony's or any of these company's faults, it was the hackers.
This is where you get deep into the legal system and the concept of negligence. It is a slippery slope on a good day and not something I suggest is delved into by most forum-dwellers who probably understand half of the nuances and have no reason to care about the other half. I fall into that category with my limited legal background.
The people who are stating "so and so DESERVED" this are way out of line. No company "deserves" to be hacked any more than any bank "deserves" to have money stolen from it. As much as you may not like a company, when individuals take these kinds of actions EVERYONE LOSES.
If you hate SoE, great; I don't love them myself. But if somehow these hackers managed to create a cascading series of events that result in mother Sony somehow losing all consumer support and eventually going under, thousands upon thousands of lives would be impacted and the global competition market would be weaker as well. I suggest people stop thinking about petty concepts and think global implications.
Funny how you all can joke about this but wait and see all this hacking is not good no matter who is being attacked. Expect the internet to become very strict if this hacking continues down this path.
Simple solution to all the hackers if you don't like something then avoid it.
*facepalm*
It's based on the reasonable expecation. If a bank leaves people's money laying around on the floor, when the expectation is that it would be secured, they're negligent. If they keep it in a vault, yet it's still stolen, then they're not negligent because they met the expectation.
It's not about trying to justify the hacking or absolve them of blame. My information was stolen in the Sony hack, and I very much blame the hackers. But I also blame Sony in addition to the hackers because they were negligent in their security practices. They've openly admitted their system was out of date and most of the personal data was not stored in a secure method, i.e. encrypted. Hell the passwords weren't even hashed, which is pretty much the bare minimum of standard practice for storing passwords.
Ok, thats sony, but what would you say about these other companies?
~nvm~
Warning: Incoming logic, made simple.
1) These acts of hacking into databases and performing denial of service attacks are considered crimal acts by most of society.
2) Performing a criminal act, with or without the intent of it being a criminal act, is a crime. This may however may not be true in some extreme cases, such as accidently killing another person in self defense.
3) Criminals, who perform crimes, are punished by society.
Taaadaaa. If you cannot handle rational thought, and want to continue defending these criminals, you are welcome to. Just note that no other person who has any semblance of intelligent thought will most likely agree with you.
One thing I cannot comprehend though, is how anyone can think that a company "deserves" to be hacked. This fiasco with Sony has cost them a great deal of money, and has compromised the identities and financial security of a great many people. There is no reason this vigilante "justice" on any "big bad company" should ever be considered a decent or moral act, and that is because it ignores the law and can cause harm to innocents.
The criminals who perform these acts deserve to be punished under the full extent of the law. If there isn't enough laws in place these punish these people, then legislation needs to be put into effect to ensure that these criminals can be punished.
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Hell... You are obviously soft on "cyber terrorism"... Making it a death sentence, or at the very least a trip to Gitmo is what should be done. This is a matter of the Security of The Home Land, after all...
Most of the other targets weren't actually hacked, just DDoS'd
I'm not trying to defend the hacking, nor do I know the exact reasoning and justification, I can only speculate. My best guess is that they're trying to humiliate the government and large corporations that have a penchant for picking on individuals. If thats so, I can see where they're coming from, but they're going about it the wrong way.
If they've done anything, it's prove that the Internet is very vulnerable... which is likely going to cause issues for all of us in the future when the noose of tightens around the freedom of the Internet in the name of security.
Why stop at caning? I'm certain that if you water board them, you'd get everything they know damn fast. Then you could ship them off to gitmo. Lets not take half measures in these situations... We must do what ever is necessary to fight the Global War against Cyber Terrorism...