I can only say this, having used EADM/marketplace/downloadcenter/inser name here since it came out. This shift to Origins is somehting we who have used the service for any lenght of time have seen coming a mile away. Heck they have always tried to edge in on Steam, i guess they finally got bored of that game and simpy decided to cut Steam off.
In my mind it will be a brilliant app for people who enjoy EA games.. and most likley a heck of a lot less intrusive then Steam.
It will very likely be the opposite.
With EA controlling the game development and the content delivery platform, be prepared for even more agressive ingame advertising of DLC, "conveniently" purchasable through Origin while playing a game.
Steam on the other hand, you can disable the overlay. Heck, there's a lot of steam games you can run straight through the executable outside of Steam and it will work just fine without needing Steam running. Steam even lets you load non-steam games using it's overlay so you can keep in touch with your friends on Steam if you so choose... I doubt Origin will allow for this.
And that is the beauty of OPINIONS... every one can have one. And i know that steam is a lot leaner today... but it used to be a brutish thug that did nasty things to your computer. But yes.. EA is moving more and more in to "online verification" both their Sims and Mass Effect series has this to one degree or another and i see no end to it saddly.
In my opinion tho... They still have some massiv catching up to do with Steam in the area of "strong-arm tactics"
I can't recall Steam ever doing ingame advertising... which Bioware already does in Mass Effect's menu screen, and DA:O does in the menu screen and with an NPC in your camp who tries to get you to buy a DLC so you can help him.
But just wait and see, I'm certain EA won't dissapoint.
If you play the role of the middleman like Steam then you have to someday expect that the producers of content will try and cut you out. Especially now that software development is dominated by such a small number of mega companies like EA and Activision/Blizzard.
It is surprising to me it hasn't happened sooner. Steam will probably be relegated as the delivery platform for smaller development companies and independents...
GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind" 1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN 2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements
the same thing was pulled by lovely Steam. If you wanted to play HalfLife 2 or CS:S back in the day you HAD to install Steam. The reaction was exactly same as now "Omg, why I have to install this buggy program and have it running in the background while playing". That's the reason Steam got popular, not some epic features and stuff.
Also, EA Downloader doesn't require you to have it running in the background, it's possible Origin will be same.
Well that is the key word, possible. If EA only allows me to buy the game digitally from them, rather than my standby direct2drive where I've built considerable credit, then I will just pop down to Geekay Games for a copy. Not a great big deal.
However IF, and I stress IF ( and I seriously don't understand why they would do this ) EA gives me no choice but to be saddled with an uneeded and unwanted background program like Origin to play a game I bought a retail box for, then just like with Ubisoft and their stupid draconian DRM schemes or single player games that require GWL, I will just pass on it completely.
Kinda like how I never bought Spore, or will never buy a gaming console from MS or Sony becuse of their underhanded deals where PC gamers had to wait an extra year to see a copy of a game that started on the PC platform.
Hopefully Bioware will be smart enough not to let this happen. We will just have to keep an eye on what EA is doing.
Bioware has already stated that the ONLY way to buy the game digitally will be through Origins.
You'll be able to get your boxed copy at the store if you really feel that strongly about it.
Last I had read they hadn't confirmed that Origin was the only digi choice, so they have then? Anyway that was not really what my post was about. I'd stated that part didn't bother me. My worry is will I still be forced to use Origin even if I bought a retail copy. Have I missed where they gave their decision on that yet as well?
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This sucks, but its not a huge change, Blizzard has only allowed sales of their games through them ever, I like that its Steam Vs EA, while people ignore the big name D2D lol. Pretty much gonna get forced into using origins just to play TOR but it does stink, I hate EA and how they are buying into every game now adays and having very bad finacial effects on them, but from a business point of view its a good move. EA is basiclly Gamestop, they are douches, and use shady methods, but its technically good business
P.S You will have to run TOR thru the Origin engine, this is how EA works, even if they release a nononline game, they still make you have access to the internet and run thru them.
I'm not a big fan of this, they put Spyware on my computer at one point with their god damn anti Piracy Installing Disc (SECUROM) when i bought Crysis 1, i refused to buy any games from them except through steam (becuase steam didnt have any of the spyware at the time) and now they are screwing me further by not letting me purchase Crysis 2 on steam?
Awesome... just awesome EA.. you've fucked yet ANOTHER COMMUNITY YOU BUILT IN 5 SECONDS FLAT!
im sick of EA and activision and all the other companies getting greedy for money and end up Fucking up gamers like us because they want us to go pay more [mod edit}
Origin works the same way EADM did, Origin is EADM.
You buy a game thrue ORIGIN application , game gets added to your games library , you download, and thats it.
The game can be started either inside ORIGIN program, or close the program and run the game normaly via shortcut.
You guys are so uptight its unbelivable, how about first testing it and then speaking about it.
ORIGIN is not like Steam where steam has to run for you to play games bought on it.
Also lets not forget that prices on steam are higher, then bought directly from company that made game.
Use what ever ya want and leave ppl alone they dont need your opinion or mine to know whats right for them.
First you don't need to run steam through steam, you just need a shortcut.
Secondly prices(in the US) are not higher on steam then on company sites like EA. If anything they are cheaper on steam, most of the time steam gives 10% off for pre-orders and they are always having sales.
I will not play a game with a cash shop ever again. A dev job should be to make the game better not make me pay so it sucks less.
the same thing was pulled by lovely Steam. If you wanted to play HalfLife 2 or CS:S back in the day you HAD to install Steam. The reaction was exactly same as now "Omg, why I have to install this buggy program and have it running in the background while playing". That's the reason Steam got popular, not some epic features and stuff.
Also, EA Downloader doesn't require you to have it running in the background, it's possible Origin will be same.
Well that is the key word, possible. If EA only allows me to buy the game digitally from them, rather than my standby direct2drive where I've built considerable credit, then I will just pop down to Geekay Games for a copy. Not a great big deal.
However IF, and I stress IF ( and I seriously don't understand why they would do this ) EA gives me no choice but to be saddled with an uneeded and unwanted background program like Origin to play a game I bought a retail box for, then just like with Ubisoft and their stupid draconian DRM schemes or single player games that require GWL, I will just pass on it completely.
Kinda like how I never bought Spore, or will never buy a gaming console from MS or Sony becuse of their underhanded deals where PC gamers had to wait an extra year to see a copy of a game that started on the PC platform.
Hopefully Bioware will be smart enough not to let this happen. We will just have to keep an eye on what EA is doing.
Bioware has already stated that the ONLY way to buy the game digitally will be through Origins.
You'll be able to get your boxed copy at the store if you really feel that strongly about it.
Last I had read they hadn't confirmed that Origin was the only digi choice, so they have then? Anyway that was not really what my post was about. I'd stated that part didn't bother me. My worry is will I still be forced to use Origin even if I bought a retail copy. Have I missed where they gave their decision on that yet as well?
Nope, not that I can find at least. It may come down to we find out only after people start buying games though.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
Origin works the same way EADM did, Origin is EADM.
You buy a game thrue ORIGIN application , game gets added to your games library , you download, and thats it.
The game can be started either inside ORIGIN program, or close the program and run the game normaly via shortcut.
You guys are so uptight its unbelivable, how about first testing it and then speaking about it.
ORIGIN is not like Steam where steam has to run for you to play games bought on it.
Also lets not forget that prices on steam are higher, then bought directly from company that made game.
Use what ever ya want and leave ppl alone they dont need your opinion or mine to know whats right for them.
I know some people dislike Steam, but come on, prices are higher? They even have discounts every day! Don't spread stupid lies if you don't know what you are talking about.
SWOTR is just an example. The point is the unethical tactics, the strong arming procedures, and the taking away of gamers choice.
I came here to spread the word. Every little bit helps.
Steam vs EA. Its the lesser of the two evils.
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I'm not sure that i follow you here. Since when is it for a seller forbiden to sell HIS product exclusively via HIS online store? Besides, no one forces anyone to purchase SW TOR from EA's online service. One can happily go to his local store and buy the game.
Ethics seem to mean making a monetary sacrifice of your own hardwork and allow another company with an online store profit from it for our convenience.
Steam for what it was worth was an option for online buyers, but if the profits to those who make the investments and take the risks is reduced, then it is unethical of us to pressure a company into a loss for the same alternatives, but another program.
I do hope that origin does not run in the background, and also I do hope that what ever steam has as a good thing that origin matches or improves on.
Thanks steam for being there, but taking profits from another company does not justify any preference when it comes to convenience of just another program if they are the same.
These companies gotta pay bills, and those who make games that sell deserve the money to keep on making games, and monopolies affect that if they are leeching of money that is not from thier hard work.
I do wonder how much extra revenue Steam made as an online store for other companies, which would other wise be in thier pockets allowing them to be more competitve with each other by evening the playing field.
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I dont understand hatred towards the Steam from some ppl. Steam showed to developers that PC games still can be viable bussines and what EA does with Origin is to acknoveldge this. More developers and publishers starts taking PC platform seriously again better games for PC we will have and less stupid console ports. If price for this is having steamlike client for each major distributor - i can live with that.
EA making their own digital distribution and selling their titles through it is perfectly logical and nothing unethical.
Origin works the same way EADM did, Origin is EADM.
You buy a game thrue ORIGIN application , game gets added to your games library , you download, and thats it.
The game can be started either inside ORIGIN program, or close the program and run the game normaly via shortcut.
You guys are so uptight its unbelivable, how about first testing it and then speaking about it.
ORIGIN is not like Steam where steam has to run for you to play games bought on it.
Also lets not forget that prices on steam are higher, then bought directly from company that made game.
Use what ever ya want and leave ppl alone they dont need your opinion or mine to know whats right for them.
I know some people dislike Steam, but come on, prices are higher? They even have discounts every day! Don't spread stupid lies if you don't know what you are talking about.
um i didnt mention disscounts did i?, yes steam has from time to time great disscounts, but so does EA and any other company.
if i want a disscount lets say for any game on EA and there is no disscount coupons out there, i go to EA support chat and ask them nicely if i can get a disscount code. in most cases i do get it... , be proactive.
if i would find a good game and good deal on steam i would go for it, i have Steam, but i preffere simple downloader like EA or physical box.
SWOTR is just an example. The point is the unethical tactics, the strong arming procedures, and the taking away of gamers choice.
I came here to spread the word. Every little bit helps.
Steam vs EA. Its the lesser of the two evils.
{mod edit}
I'm not sure that i follow you here. Since when is it for a seller forbiden to sell HIS product exclusively via HIS online store? Besides, no one forces anyone to purchase SW TOR from EA's online service. One can happily go to his local store and buy the game.
Ethics seem to mean making a monetary sacrifice of your own hardwork and allow another company with an online store profit from it for our convenience.
Steam for what it was worth was an option for online buyers, but if the profits to those who make the investments and take the risks is reduced, then it is unethical of us to pressure a company into a loss for the same alternatives, but another program.
I do hope that origin does not run in the background, and also I do hope that what ever steam has as a good thing that origin matches or improves on.
Thanks steam for being there, but taking profits from another company does not justify any preference when it comes to convenience of just another program if they are the same.
These companies gotta pay bills, and those who make games that sell deserve the money to keep on making games, and monopolies affect that if they are leeching of money that is not from thier hard work.
I do wonder how much extra revenue Steam made as an online store for other companies, which would other wise be in thier pockets allowing them to be more competitve with each other by evening the playing field.
Wow you must hate Steam... You make it sound like steam charges 50% on every sale or something. Steam is just like a gamestop, it's just a retail store but it's online.
IMO it's not unethical for people to press a company for more options nor is unethical for them tring to make us you that Origin crap.
I will not play a game with a cash shop ever again. A dev job should be to make the game better not make me pay so it sucks less.
I'm not a big fan of this, they put Spyware on my computer at one point with their god damn anti Piracy Installing Disc (SECUROM) when i bought Crysis 1, i refused to buy any games from them except through steam (becuase steam didnt have any of the spyware at the time) and now they are screwing me further by not letting me purchase Crysis 2 on steam?
Awesome... just awesome EA.. you've fucked yet ANOTHER COMMUNITY YOU BUILT IN 5 SECONDS FLAT!
im sick of EA and activision and all the other companies getting greedy for money and end up Fucking up gamers like us because they want us to go pay more out the ass for their shitty changes!
Actually, if you want to blame something blame piracy. The game, music, and movie industry have lost billions to piracy and I don't blame them for trying to find a solution.
I think the main difference between what EA is doing with Origin and what Valve is doing with Steam is that Valve never sold their games on another platform, then pulled them and made them Steam exclusives.
Also, Valve has only developed a small (though popular) handful of games. Valve is their own developer and publisher. They aren't in the same league with the likes of EA and Activision. EA owns many, many developers and has a huge library of games. Know how many games Valve has published? Twenty-eight. And not all of those are even full games. (As a side note, other than Portal 2, still a brand new release, not one of their games is over $20.)
It makes sense for EA to pull their games now, but before Origin, Valve was not their competitor. They chose to compete with Valve by opening up Origin. What they are doing is the equivalent of opening up a retail store and removing all their games from GameStops, Wal-Marts, BestBuys, and the rest of them. "But I buy all my games from GameStop!" Well, some of us buy all our games from Steam.
And I can all but guarantee you will need to launch all of their games from Origin from here on, regardless of where or how you purchased them. There's no confirmation yet, but if you ask me, it seems like that's nearly the entire point of Origin.
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss
I've got Steam and I just got a chance to use Origin. Steam is waaay better than Origin. The only thing worse than Origin is Microsoft's Games For Windows Live.
It's making me reconsider buying SW:ToR. It's that bad (in my opinion).
What was so bad about it...you listed nothing. I highly doubt its making you reconsiider anything.
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I dont understand hatred towards the Steam from some ppl. Steam showed to developers that PC games still can be viable bussines and what EA does with Origin is to acknoveldge this. More developers and publishers starts taking PC platform seriously again better games for PC we will have and less stupid console ports. If price for this is having steamlike client for each major distributor - i can live with that.
EA making their own digital distribution and selling their titles through it is perfectly logical and nothing unethical.
The hatred people have for steam is the same hatred people have for WoW, its unfounded nonsense.
Quotations Those Who make peaceful resolutions impossible, make violent resolutions inevitable. John F. Kennedy
Life... is the shit that happens while you wait for moments that never come - Lester Freeman
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I wouldnt be surpised if 10 years from now EA pulls out from ebgames, wallmart and so forth and only sells through origin.
That would be monetary suicide.
You honestly believe htat?
Seriously who still goes to the store to buy things? Especailly games. Cash is being phased out for credit, i just dont see the need for stores these days, in 10 years there will be even less use for them.
well personally i only buy games in stores. i like to go out, pick up the item in my hand, be able to physically hold it. i'm weird like that and unfortuntely its quickly becoming less of an option
Same here. I buy maybe 5% of my games online. Usually the silly mini games like Terraria or Torchwood. I still like to go to the store, grab the box and display it on my shelf like I do my books and movies. Especially Collector Editions.
I wouldnt be surpised if 10 years from now EA pulls out from ebgames, wallmart and so forth and only sells through origin.
That would be monetary suicide.
You honestly believe htat?
Seriously who still goes to the store to buy things? Especailly games. Cash is being phased out for credit, i just dont see the need for stores these days, in 10 years there will be even less use for them.
I disagree. I still go to the store weekly nut then I live in a small town. Besides I prefer to have some human interaction rather than doing everything by the computer.
But you're ok with games requiring people to use Steam?
For developers requiring people buy their game at a retail store to go home and install Steam in order to activate?
Fuck that, and fuck Steam.
EA's move is a smart one for them, and good for everyone else involved. Steam is trying to become a monopoly, and Origins is one more roadblock towards stopping that.
Do NOT sign this rediculous petition.
keep the hate pouring peeps!
i just remember the times when i bought games as cds and when devs bring up update we needed to find it somewhere first and usually didnt work at all.
what steam did to me i can own all games but someone else is keeping them on bookcase so where ever i go and move my games follows with me without any packing on boxes and such sure i can still go to gamestores and drool the package if i need but hell with that.
steam updates my games automaticly and i have no issues with that. if EA wants to do " steam " on their own cloud program good luck with that then but i would prefer games to be bought in one place rather than several.
and this is my opinion and side of how things are remember that!
SWOTR is just an example. The point is the unethical tactics, the strong arming procedures, and the taking away of gamers choice.
I came here to spread the word. Every little bit helps.
Steam vs EA. Its the lesser of the two evils.
{mod edit}
I'm not sure that i follow you here. Since when is it for a seller forbiden to sell HIS product exclusively via HIS online store? Besides, no one forces anyone to purchase SW TOR from EA's online service. One can happily go to his local store and buy the game.
Ethics seem to mean making a monetary sacrifice of your own hardwork and allow another company with an online store profit from it for our convenience.
Steam for what it was worth was an option for online buyers, but if the profits to those who make the investments and take the risks is reduced, then it is unethical of us to pressure a company into a loss for the same alternatives, but another program.
I do hope that origin does not run in the background, and also I do hope that what ever steam has as a good thing that origin matches or improves on.
Thanks steam for being there, but taking profits from another company does not justify any preference when it comes to convenience of just another program if they are the same.
These companies gotta pay bills, and those who make games that sell deserve the money to keep on making games, and monopolies affect that if they are leeching of money that is not from thier hard work.
I do wonder how much extra revenue Steam made as an online store for other companies, which would other wise be in thier pockets allowing them to be more competitve with each other by evening the playing field.
Wow you must hate Steam... You make it sound like steam charges 50% on every sale or something. Steam is just like a gamestop, it's just a retail store but it's online.
IMO it's not unethical for people to press a company for more options nor is unethical for them tring to make us you that Origin crap.
Not at all bro. Notice how I thanked them. They are useful, and I do not blame them for anything, and they are good service. The did nothing illegal, and they still offer a good service, and I have no bad pesonal experiences.
My point is directed towards those against EA but had to use Steam as a counter arguement towards those hating on EA, or whomever decides they want to take the reins and offer an online store for thier own products, is a good thing and thier right to do which will greatly improve thier products with the extra earning. Also more competition means better quality, that is the how a competitve 'perfect' market place offers the best to its customers. Which steam still offered at very reasonable prices, so I am not calling them a monopoly in hording prices, but a monoploy as being the main alternative for an online store which for others, they had an issue with expansions etc etc.
However, I did question how much profit was made by steam, but that was not labelling them as a bad guy, but others short coming if they missed out on thier own opportunity to make a profit from it.
Ethics in business is about honesty, transperancy, and the contract which does not conflict with the country it does business with, so I suppose you are right, and our personal preferene of how it is ethical will be reflected if we purchase the product or not with a certain service with other things considered.
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I can't recall Steam ever doing ingame advertising... which Bioware already does in Mass Effect's menu screen, and DA:O does in the menu screen and with an NPC in your camp who tries to get you to buy a DLC so you can help him.
But just wait and see, I'm certain EA won't dissapoint.
If you play the role of the middleman like Steam then you have to someday expect that the producers of content will try and cut you out. Especially now that software development is dominated by such a small number of mega companies like EA and Activision/Blizzard.
It is surprising to me it hasn't happened sooner. Steam will probably be relegated as the delivery platform for smaller development companies and independents...
GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind"
1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN
2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements
Last I had read they hadn't confirmed that Origin was the only digi choice, so they have then? Anyway that was not really what my post was about. I'd stated that part didn't bother me. My worry is will I still be forced to use Origin even if I bought a retail copy. Have I missed where they gave their decision on that yet as well?
"Gypsies, tramps, and thieves, we were called by the Admin of the site . . . "
This sucks, but its not a huge change, Blizzard has only allowed sales of their games through them ever, I like that its Steam Vs EA, while people ignore the big name D2D lol. Pretty much gonna get forced into using origins just to play TOR but it does stink, I hate EA and how they are buying into every game now adays and having very bad finacial effects on them, but from a business point of view its a good move. EA is basiclly Gamestop, they are douches, and use shady methods, but its technically good business
P.S You will have to run TOR thru the Origin engine, this is how EA works, even if they release a nononline game, they still make you have access to the internet and run thru them.
Mess with the best, Die like the rest
I'm not a big fan of this, they put Spyware on my computer at one point with their god damn anti Piracy Installing Disc (SECUROM) when i bought Crysis 1, i refused to buy any games from them except through steam (becuase steam didnt have any of the spyware at the time) and now they are screwing me further by not letting me purchase Crysis 2 on steam?
Awesome... just awesome EA.. you've fucked yet ANOTHER COMMUNITY YOU BUILT IN 5 SECONDS FLAT!
im sick of EA and activision and all the other companies getting greedy for money and end up Fucking up gamers like us because they want us to go pay more [mod edit}
First you don't need to run steam through steam, you just need a shortcut.
Secondly prices(in the US) are not higher on steam then on company sites like EA. If anything they are cheaper on steam, most of the time steam gives 10% off for pre-orders and they are always having sales.
I will not play a game with a cash shop ever again. A dev job should be to make the game better not make me pay so it sucks less.
Nope, not that I can find at least. It may come down to we find out only after people start buying games though.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
Causs yes EADM is now ORIGIN , just update EADM and thats it.
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Thank you!
I know some people dislike Steam, but come on, prices are higher? They even have discounts every day! Don't spread stupid lies if you don't know what you are talking about.
Wonder if we'll get the same backdooring trash EA put on the Spore games on this stuff.
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Ethics seem to mean making a monetary sacrifice of your own hardwork and allow another company with an online store profit from it for our convenience.
Steam for what it was worth was an option for online buyers, but if the profits to those who make the investments and take the risks is reduced, then it is unethical of us to pressure a company into a loss for the same alternatives, but another program.
I do hope that origin does not run in the background, and also I do hope that what ever steam has as a good thing that origin matches or improves on.
Thanks steam for being there, but taking profits from another company does not justify any preference when it comes to convenience of just another program if they are the same.
These companies gotta pay bills, and those who make games that sell deserve the money to keep on making games, and monopolies affect that if they are leeching of money that is not from thier hard work.
I do wonder how much extra revenue Steam made as an online store for other companies, which would other wise be in thier pockets allowing them to be more competitve with each other by evening the playing field.
Write bad things that are done to you in sand, but write the good things that happen to you on a piece of marble
I dont understand hatred towards the Steam from some ppl. Steam showed to developers that PC games still can be viable bussines and what EA does with Origin is to acknoveldge this. More developers and publishers starts taking PC platform seriously again better games for PC we will have and less stupid console ports. If price for this is having steamlike client for each major distributor - i can live with that.
EA making their own digital distribution and selling their titles through it is perfectly logical and nothing unethical.
um i didnt mention disscounts did i?, yes steam has from time to time great disscounts, but so does EA and any other company.
if i want a disscount lets say for any game on EA and there is no disscount coupons out there, i go to EA support chat and ask them nicely if i can get a disscount code. in most cases i do get it... , be proactive.
if i would find a good game and good deal on steam i would go for it, i have Steam, but i preffere simple downloader like EA or physical box.
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Wow you must hate Steam... You make it sound like steam charges 50% on every sale or something. Steam is just like a gamestop, it's just a retail store but it's online.
IMO it's not unethical for people to press a company for more options nor is unethical for them tring to make us you that Origin crap.
I will not play a game with a cash shop ever again. A dev job should be to make the game better not make me pay so it sucks less.
Actually, if you want to blame something blame piracy. The game, music, and movie industry have lost billions to piracy and I don't blame them for trying to find a solution.
I think the main difference between what EA is doing with Origin and what Valve is doing with Steam is that Valve never sold their games on another platform, then pulled them and made them Steam exclusives.
Also, Valve has only developed a small (though popular) handful of games. Valve is their own developer and publisher. They aren't in the same league with the likes of EA and Activision. EA owns many, many developers and has a huge library of games. Know how many games Valve has published? Twenty-eight. And not all of those are even full games. (As a side note, other than Portal 2, still a brand new release, not one of their games is over $20.)
It makes sense for EA to pull their games now, but before Origin, Valve was not their competitor. They chose to compete with Valve by opening up Origin. What they are doing is the equivalent of opening up a retail store and removing all their games from GameStops, Wal-Marts, BestBuys, and the rest of them. "But I buy all my games from GameStop!" Well, some of us buy all our games from Steam.
And I can all but guarantee you will need to launch all of their games from Origin from here on, regardless of where or how you purchased them. There's no confirmation yet, but if you ask me, it seems like that's nearly the entire point of Origin.
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss
What was so bad about it...you listed nothing. I highly doubt its making you reconsiider anything.
Quotations Those Who make peaceful resolutions impossible, make violent resolutions inevitable. John F. Kennedy
Life... is the shit that happens while you wait for moments that never come - Lester Freeman
Lie to no one. If there 's somebody close to you, you'll ruin it with a lie. If they're a stranger, who the fuck are they you gotta lie to them? - Willy Nelson
The hatred people have for steam is the same hatred people have for WoW, its unfounded nonsense.
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Steam has become a greedy cash cow. There is nothing unethical about wanting to own rights to your own games.
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Same here. I buy maybe 5% of my games online. Usually the silly mini games like Terraria or Torchwood. I still like to go to the store, grab the box and display it on my shelf like I do my books and movies. Especially Collector Editions.
I disagree. I still go to the store weekly nut then I live in a small town. Besides I prefer to have some human interaction rather than doing everything by the computer.
keep the hate pouring peeps!
i just remember the times when i bought games as cds and when devs bring up update we needed to find it somewhere first and usually didnt work at all.
what steam did to me i can own all games but someone else is keeping them on bookcase so where ever i go and move my games follows with me without any packing on boxes and such sure i can still go to gamestores and drool the package if i need but hell with that.
steam updates my games automaticly and i have no issues with that. if EA wants to do " steam " on their own cloud program good luck with that then but i would prefer games to be bought in one place rather than several.
and this is my opinion and side of how things are remember that!
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Not at all bro. Notice how I thanked them. They are useful, and I do not blame them for anything, and they are good service. The did nothing illegal, and they still offer a good service, and I have no bad pesonal experiences.
My point is directed towards those against EA but had to use Steam as a counter arguement towards those hating on EA, or whomever decides they want to take the reins and offer an online store for thier own products, is a good thing and thier right to do which will greatly improve thier products with the extra earning. Also more competition means better quality, that is the how a competitve 'perfect' market place offers the best to its customers. Which steam still offered at very reasonable prices, so I am not calling them a monopoly in hording prices, but a monoploy as being the main alternative for an online store which for others, they had an issue with expansions etc etc.
However, I did question how much profit was made by steam, but that was not labelling them as a bad guy, but others short coming if they missed out on thier own opportunity to make a profit from it.
Ethics in business is about honesty, transperancy, and the contract which does not conflict with the country it does business with, so I suppose you are right, and our personal preferene of how it is ethical will be reflected if we purchase the product or not with a certain service with other things considered.
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