EA's move is a smart one for them, and good for everyone else involved. Steam is trying to become a monopoly, and Origins is one more roadblock towards stopping that.
Well for me Steam is not just a source for digital downloading, its a community to know what your friends are playing and when, and gives you a good sense if you would like certain games based on friends choices. And not just limited to a small selection.
Also I can't see EA offering the great offers that steam does. How about those 4pack's - buy 4 full copies of the game for you and your friends for a hugely reduced price! Sending games as gifts...
Iv not done much else apart from install origin, but I can't see a way to add non-ea games to the list, even just as shortcut to launch to let others know you are ingame? ((Maybe possible to create a link from Steam that launches a Origin game automatically?))
And come on, who else is going to follow suit, do you really want multiple programs running one for each developer, with diff friends in each and a select few games. I am sorry, but splitting my games across all these would just be a pain. Step backwards imo.
But can see why they have done it.
Wonder if EA is more likely to be hacked than Steam...
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Why do I feel like the people who are in support of Origin never use Steam and will never use Origin, either?
Seriously, is there anyone who actually likes Origin? Or is it purely Steam-hate? (You might say they're blowing off Steam.)
Originally posted by kjempff Well to be fair, if it was possible to UN-register a game at Steam, I would have nothing against them .. I just hate buying products and handing them to Steam who then let me play them.
I don't understand what this means.
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss
Why do I feel like the people who are in support of Origin never use Steam and will never use Origin, either?
Seriously, is there anyone who actually likes Origin? Or is it purely Steam-hate? (You might say they're blowing off Steam.)
I use steam, and I have origin downloaded.
I enjoy steam, but I beleive a company should maximize thier profits as much as they can by cutting off the middle man to continue to offer what they do competitively.
Maybe people like me think that most of the money should go back to the origin, as much as possible.
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the same thing was pulled by lovely Steam. If you wanted to play HalfLife 2 or CS:S back in the day you HAD to install Steam. The reaction was exactly same as now "Omg, why I have to install this buggy program and have it running in the background while playing". That's the reason Steam got popular, not some epic features and stuff.
Also, EA Downloader doesn't require you to have it running in the background, it's possible Origin will be same.
Well that is the key word, possible. If EA only allows me to buy the game digitally from them, rather than my standby direct2drive where I've built considerable credit, then I will just pop down to Geekay Games for a copy. Not a great big deal.
However IF, and I stress IF ( and I seriously don't understand why they would do this ) EA gives me no choice but to be saddled with an uneeded and unwanted background program like Origin to play a game I bought a retail box for, then just like with Ubisoft and their stupid draconian DRM schemes or single player games that require GWL, I will just pass on it completely.
Kinda like how I never bought Spore, or will never buy a gaming console from MS or Sony becuse of their underhanded deals where PC gamers had to wait an extra year to see a copy of a game that started on the PC platform.
Hopefully Bioware will be smart enough not to let this happen. We will just have to keep an eye on what EA is doing.
Bioware has already stated that the ONLY way to buy the game digitally will be through Origins.
You'll be able to get your boxed copy at the store if you really feel that strongly about it.
Last I had read they hadn't confirmed that Origin was the only digi choice, so they have then? Anyway that was not really what my post was about. I'd stated that part didn't bother me. My worry is will I still be forced to use Origin even if I bought a retail copy. Have I missed where they gave their decision on that yet as well?
according to stephen reid it will be the only digital source:
Hey everyone – well, apparently once again the online world trumps newsprint, as a story that was supposed to pop tomorrow popped up tonight! Let me give you a couple of notes on Origin.
First off: Origin is a fantastic new digital initiative from EA, and we're pleased to confirm that Star Wars: The Old Republic will be available exclusively for digital download from Origin.
However, even though you'll only be able to buy and download The Old Republic digitally via Origin, you will still be able to buy a retail, boxed copy of the game from your favorite retailer (and that includes online retailers who’ll ship the box to you). BioWare and EA know the value many gamers place on a cool boxed product... and we’re producing a cool boxed product. (Or maybe I should say 'boxed products'. )
Why do I feel like the people who are in support of Origin never use Steam and will never use Origin, either?
Seriously, is there anyone who actually likes Origin? Or is it purely Steam-hate? (You might say they're blowing off Steam.)
Originally posted by kjempff
Well to be fair, if it was possible to UN-register a game at Steam, I would have nothing against them .. I just hate buying products and handing them to Steam who then let me play them.
I don't understand what this means.
For me it has nothing to do with hate/love/like/apathy/whatever. I just think it is a matter of EA deciding they want to cut out the middleman, which is their right. The owners of the content call the shots in that regard, and the consumers of the content can decide whether that is acceptable or not by voting with their buying dollar.
I personally don't like any bloatware apps like Steam or Origins and prefer games to be purchased/installed standalone. Required bloatware is a negative overall and may impact my decision to buy a game if I am marginal on it already. But for a game I really want, it isn't a game breaker. I just set all options to be the least intrusive and I ensure it doesn't run in the background unless I am actually playing the game. Luckily I am computer savy enough to ensure that no auto loading of the bloatware processes in the background occurs.
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Originally posted by gaou BioWare and EA know the value many gamers place on a cool boxed product... and were producing a cool boxed product. (Or maybe I should say 'boxed products'. )
I like how he drops the world "cool" when he rephrases it.
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss
Well to be fair, if it was possible to UN-register a game at Steam, I would have nothing against them .. I just hate buying products and handing them to Steam who then let me play them.
I don't understand what this means.
It means you buy a game, that you can only play if you register it to a Steam account. The game is forever locked to that account, and you can't actually sell the game to someone if you wished to. On top of that you are required to have a connection to Steam to play the game at all.
So as I said, I am handing MY game to Steam, and from then on I don't actually own the game, just the right to log in and play it.
In other businesses such business tactic would be called a scam.
Other than that, I think Steam is great giving us communities, easy updates and more... I will just never be able to accept the above mentioned - Well I have to, since I want to play Civilization 5 and Duke Nukem for example.
Why do I feel like the people who are in support of Origin never use Steam and will never use Origin, either?
Seriously, is there anyone who actually likes Origin? Or is it purely Steam-hate? (You might say they're blowing off Steam.)
I support BOTH companies.
Steam is not a bad product; it annoys me sometimes that it must be running for me to play a game, but really its a minor annoyance. Vlave has done a good job with Steam, especially with giving Indie developers a great place to start up their ideas and have a marketplace that is fairly accessible.
On the other hand Steam can be overpriced, especially for those who do not live in the US. Now that may not effect some people but I think that Valve could be a bit more fair to their consumers on a global scale. Also you can't register a game bought outside of Steam and then buy an expansion in Steam without re-buying the game. Again, nothing huge and nothing that I think warrants any hatred that some people seem to have.
Now with Origins, EA is trying to have their own version of Steam and that is completely fair for them to do. Far from unethical; and as I said earlier in the thread, it is actually good for us as consumers as any competition in a market forces prices down and quality up. Origins also serves another purpose that I am pretty sure is their main focus, fighting pirating. And honestly considering that the other alternative is getting a disk with a limited number of installs and such nonsense; I can deal with having an extra program running instead.
Neither company is doing anything wrong, as long as these services are not intrusive to our gaming experience. And as consumers we need to vote with our wallets as to what we are willing to accept from these companies. All the hate in this thread is a mute point, this is not helped though that the OP's tone was one of a childish temper tantrum and not really an attempt at any real line of discussion.
Originally posted by gainesvilleg Originally posted by Shroom_Mage Why do I feel like the people who are in support of Origin never use Steam and will never use Origin, either?Seriously, is there anyone who actually likes Origin? Or is it purely Steam-hate? (You might say they're blowing off Steam.)
Originally posted by kjempff Well to be fair, if it was possible to UN-register a game at Steam, I would have nothing against them .. I just hate buying products and handing them to Steam who then let me play them.
I don't understand what this means. For me it has nothing to do with hate/love/like/apathy/whatever. I just think it is a matter of EA deciding they want to cut out the middleman, which is their right. The owners of the content call the shots in that regard, and the consumers of the content can decide whether that is acceptable or not by voting with their buying dollar.
I personally don't like any bloatware apps like Steam or Origins and prefer games to be purchased/installed standalone. Required bloatware is a negative overall and may impact my decision to buy a game if I am marginal on it already. But for a game I really want, it isn't a game breaker. I just set all options to be the least intrusive and I ensure it doesn't run in the background unless I am actually playing the game. Luckily I am computer savy enough to ensure that no auto loading of the bloatware processes in the background occurs.
Calling it bloatware over and over makes you sound like another hater. Just saying.
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss
Why do I feel like the people who are in support of Origin never use Steam and will never use Origin, either?
Seriously, is there anyone who actually likes Origin? Or is it purely Steam-hate? (You might say they're blowing off Steam.)
I support BOTH companies.
Steam is not a bad product; it annoys me sometimes that it must be running for me to play a game, but really its a minor annoyance. Vlave has done a good job with Steam, especially with giving Indie developers a great place to start up their ideas and have a marketplace that is fairly accessible.
On the other hand Steam can be overpriced, especially for those who do not live in the US. Now that may not effect some people but I think that Valve could be a bit more fair to their consumers on a global scale. Also you can't register a game bought outside of Steam and then buy an expansion in Steam without re-buying the game. Again, nothing huge and nothing that I think warrants any hatred that some people seem to have.
Now with Origins, EA is trying to have their own version of Steam and that is completely fair for them to do. Far from unethical; and as I said earlier in the thread, it is actually good for us as consumers as any competition in a market forces prices down and quality up. Origins also serves another purpose that I am pretty sure is their main focus, fighting pirating. And honestly considering that the other alternative is getting a disk with a limited number of installs and such nonsense; I can deal with having an extra program running instead.
Neither company is doing anything wrong, as long as these services are not intrusive to our gaming experience. And as consumers we need to vote with our wallets as to what we are willing to accept from these companies. All the hate in this thread is a mute point, this is not helped though that the OP's tone was one of a childish temper tantrum and not really an attempt at any real line of discussion.
Steam is actually underpriced for me, and I'm not in the US, I'm in Canada. I don't have to pay any sales tax on what I buy (which is 13% in my province) and the prices on steam are in USD. With the current strong Canadian dollar and no sales tax, and not to mention the constant sales on steam, I'm paying considerably less than if I were to go to a brick and mortar store in my neighborhood to buy a PC game. Not only that, but the selection on Steam is vastly better than most brick and mortar stores that sell PC games these days.
Per the ethicality, the shift in itself isn't unethical, but it is in my opinion a pretty low move on EA's part. I get that they're in competition and want their own platform, but completely dropping their games from being sold on Steam is not unlike them deciding to not allow Best Buy or Gamestop to sell their games. It's fully within their right to do, but it's still a pretty lame thing to do to the retailer and consumers who previously had that option.
My main concern with EA's new system is that I have a very strong suspicion that it will be used to further leverage EA's penchant for adding DLC by allowing them to be even more in your face with advertising.
Don't really care if they move games from steam my only problem with EA is their nickle and dime crap on console stores. I would much rather (if I do buy a digital game) buy right from the publisher rather then 3rd party. So I have no problems with the way they distribute their games over the internet DD wise that is.
Now I do own a lot of games on steam rarely play them but I do have them whenever I want to play. I also buy games with OnLive which I now like much more over steam cause it saves me a lot of space on my HDD.
This petition is useless and I would never sign something like it as it does not effect me anyway as a gamer.
Why do I feel like the people who are in support of Origin never use Steam and will never use Origin, either?
Seriously, is there anyone who actually likes Origin? Or is it purely Steam-hate? (You might say they're blowing off Steam.)
Originally posted by kjempff
Well to be fair, if it was possible to UN-register a game at Steam, I would have nothing against them .. I just hate buying products and handing them to Steam who then let me play them.
I don't understand what this means.
For me it has nothing to do with hate/love/like/apathy/whatever. I just think it is a matter of EA deciding they want to cut out the middleman, which is their right. The owners of the content call the shots in that regard, and the consumers of the content can decide whether that is acceptable or not by voting with their buying dollar.
I personally don't like any bloatware apps like Steam or Origins and prefer games to be purchased/installed standalone. Required bloatware is a negative overall and may impact my decision to buy a game if I am marginal on it already. But for a game I really want, it isn't a game breaker. I just set all options to be the least intrusive and I ensure it doesn't run in the background unless I am actually playing the game. Luckily I am computer savy enough to ensure that no auto loading of the bloatware processes in the background occurs.
Calling it bloatware over and over makes you sound like another hater. Just saying.
Well, anything that adds more and more processes running in the background I don't like. Call me a hater, whatever, but I have no "hate" in the sense that I like dislike one product over the other. I just don't like anything that slows down my PC by consuming either CPU or memory even though I'm not using it. I have no problem if it just sits on my disk until I need it, but both Origins and Steam will by default keep processes running AT ALL TIMES whether you need them or not.
I personally go through every pocess that runs on my PC (and there are a bunch, just open task manager and I bet you count at least 50 or so) and ensure all of them are essential. I remove those that I don't need and my PC performance has improved a ton by doing this. Note that Apple is also notorious for running many unnecessary processes at all times if you have any apple products installed on your PC for instance. Lots of individual products you install do this as well. It adds up fast and can really impact your computer performance if you don't remove this "bloat."
GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind" 1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN 2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements
Originally posted by kjempff It means you buy a game, that you can only play if you register it to a Steam account. The game is forever locked to that account, and you can't actually sell the game to someone if you wished to. On top of that you are required to have a connection to Steam to play the game at all. So as I said, I am handing MY game to Steam, and from then on I don't actually own the game, just the right to log in and play it. In other businesses such business tactic would be called a scam.
Other than that, I think Steam is great giving us communities, easy updates and more... I will just never be able to accept the above mentioned - Well I have to, since I want to play Civilization 5 and Duke Nukem for example.
When you buy any game, you're only buying a license to play it. Technically, PC games aren't to be resold in the first place. The reason companies are implementing way of preventing resale isn't just to screw people. It's to enforce rules that have been in place but unenforceable for a long time. Next time you're at GameStop, look for the used PC game section. There's a reason there's no market for it.
On top of that, you are not required to have a connection to Steam to play a game on Steam. You only need the connection to authenticate the game. Once it's been authenticated, Steam can be run in offline mode, and once the game is launched, Steam can be closed.
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss
I have bought many games thru steam, most of the time the deals you can find on there are amazing, 75 to 90% off during specials on some recent games cant be beat.
I dont see how (if they are indeed pulling thier content from steam) they will be able to pull it off after so many people have bought EA products thru steam (myself included). Would steam have to refund money? I dont think so.
Hopefully it will just mean they cant sell any from here on out
Why do I feel like the people who are in support of Origin never use Steam and will never use Origin, either?
Seriously, is there anyone who actually likes Origin? Or is it purely Steam-hate? (You might say they're blowing off Steam.)
I support BOTH companies.
Steam is not a bad product; it annoys me sometimes that it must be running for me to play a game, but really its a minor annoyance. Vlave has done a good job with Steam, especially with giving Indie developers a great place to start up their ideas and have a marketplace that is fairly accessible.
On the other hand Steam can be overpriced, especially for those who do not live in the US. Now that may not effect some people but I think that Valve could be a bit more fair to their consumers on a global scale. Also you can't register a game bought outside of Steam and then buy an expansion in Steam without re-buying the game. Again, nothing huge and nothing that I think warrants any hatred that some people seem to have.
Now with Origins, EA is trying to have their own version of Steam and that is completely fair for them to do. Far from unethical; and as I said earlier in the thread, it is actually good for us as consumers as any competition in a market forces prices down and quality up. Origins also serves another purpose that I am pretty sure is their main focus, fighting pirating. And honestly considering that the other alternative is getting a disk with a limited number of installs and such nonsense; I can deal with having an extra program running instead.
Neither company is doing anything wrong, as long as these services are not intrusive to our gaming experience. And as consumers we need to vote with our wallets as to what we are willing to accept from these companies. All the hate in this thread is a mute point, this is not helped though that the OP's tone was one of a childish temper tantrum and not really an attempt at any real line of discussion.
Steam is actually underpriced for me, and I'm not in the US, I'm in Canada. I don't have to pay any sales tax on what I buy (which is 13% in my province) and the prices on steam are in USD. With the current strong Canadian dollar and no sales tax, and not to mention the constant sales on steam, I'm paying considerably less than if I were to go to a brick and mortar store in my neighborhood to buy a PC game. Not only that, but the selection on Steam is vastly better than most brick and mortar stores that sell PC games these days.
Per the ethicality, the shift in itself isn't unethical, but it is in my opinion a pretty low move on EA's part. I get that they're in competition and want their own platform, but completely dropping their games from being sold on Steam is not unlike them deciding to not allow Best Buy or Gamestop to sell their games. It's fully within their right to do, but it's still a pretty lame thing to do to the retailer and consumers who previously had that option.
My main concern with EA's new system is that I have a very strong suspicion that it will be used to further leverage EA's penchant for adding DLC by allowing them to be even more in your face with advertising.
I know several people living in Scotland who pay almost the same amount in Pounds as I do in Dollars for a game off Steam. Considering that the Pound is worth almost 2 times the Dollar, doing that kind of flat conversion is rather obsurd. So my point of Steam being overpriced for some still stands.
Also EA is doing what every other company does, trying to maximize profits. There is nothing unethical about trying to make more for what you do unless you do something unethical in and of itself to acheive that end. EA wants a peice of Valve's pie, and there is nothing wrong with that. Once again, competition is only better for us because now the two will have to one up eachother to fight for our money. Comparing that to them taking it off of brick and mortar retailers is a strawman arguement at best, because we all know they are not going to do that and it is nothing more than an attempt to add weight to an arguement without any real basis. It is EA's product and they are allowed to decide who may and may not distribute it.
Finally, that is completely within EA's right to add more DLC selling attempts. I dont like it either but I also understand why a company would do this; profit and fight pirating. For EA it really is a catch 22 no matter what they do on the pirating issue alone; be really nice and bend over backwards for your customers while also losing profits because of pirating, or be aggressive against pirating but risk upsetting your customers. To us it seems like such an easy choice but to a bunch of business men with the future of their careers on the line and investers and stock-holders to answer to, not so much.
I have bought many games thru steam, most of the time the deals you can find on there are amazing, 75 to 90% off during specials on some recent games cant be beat.
I dont see how (if they are indeed pulling thier content from steam) they will be able to pull it off after so many people have bought EA products thru steam (myself included). Would steam have to refund money? I dont think so.
Hopefully it will just mean they cant sell any from here on out
I imagine that is what will happen, all current games will still be there but new ones won't.
Originally posted by gainesvilleg Well, anything that adds more and more processes running in the background I don't like. Call me a hater, whatever, but I have no "hate" in the sense that I like dislike one product over the other. I just don't like anything that slows down my PC by consuming either CPU or memory even though I'm not using it. I have no problem if it just sits on my disk until I need it, but both Origins and Steam will by default keep processes running AT ALL TIMES whether you need them or not.I personally go through every pocess that runs on my PC (and there are a bunch, just open task manager and I bet you count at least 50 or so) and ensure all of them are essential. I remove those that I don't need and my PC performance has improved a ton by doing this. Note that Apple is also notorious for running many unnecessary processes at all times if you have any apple products installed on your PC for instance. Lots of individual products you install do this as well. It adds up fast and can really impact your computer performance if you don't remove this "bloat."
Yeah, there's a reason I don't install Apple products. Steam becomes a great convenience, however, if you actually make use of it and don't have <2GB of RAM. I have friends who play PC games, and the overlay is more useful for chatting than alt-tabbing to some IM client or texting or something. Plus there's the constant sales.
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss
When you buy any game, you're only buying a license to play it. Technically, PC games aren't to be resold in the first place. The reason companies are implementing way of preventing resale isn't just to screw people. It's to enforce rules that have been in place but unenforceable for a long time. Next time you're at GameStop, look for the used PC game section. There's a reason there's no market for it.
On top of that, you are not required to have a connection to Steam to play a game on Steam. You only need the connection to authenticate the game. Once it's been authenticated, Steam can be run in offline mode, and once the game is launched, Steam can be closed.
Software is sold "as is" which means you have the right to use and resell the software without alteration. It is true you do not have the right to alter the software, but it is not true you don't own your copy of it.
As for required connection to Steam, I can accept that it is a copy protection solution, so my issue there is more of a idealogical opinion whether I want Steam to gather information about my habits and spam me with advertising.
So as I said, Steam give us the option to UN-register a game. That will settle my issues with them, and it will not lead to piracing or anything, since the game still has to authenticated through Steam and hence only the one who registered the game can play it.
To give an example from myself.. There was a game I was about to buy when I noticed Steam was required, but because it was not the game on my top list, I didn't - I would have it if hadn't Steam requirement. On the other hand, I just bought Duke Nukem yesterday because that game I wanted despite the Steam crap .. I wanted that game more than I hated Steam. So, I weight Steam as a negative when buying a game.. and sometimes the scales shift to not buying - And I expect others have the same approach.
Now excuse me, I must log in to Steam because "The aliens took our babes".
ps. I don't shop at game stop, and where I shop there a loads of second hand games and plenty buyers.
I'm not a big fan of this, they put Spyware on my computer at one point with their god damn anti Piracy Installing Disc (SECUROM) when i bought Crysis 1, i refused to buy any games from them except through steam (becuase steam didnt have any of the spyware at the time) and now they are screwing me further by not letting me purchase Crysis 2 on steam?
Awesome... just awesome EA.. you've fucked yet ANOTHER COMMUNITY YOU BUILT IN 5 SECONDS FLAT!
im sick of EA and activision and all the other companies getting greedy for money and end up Fucking up gamers like us because they want us to go pay more out the ass for their shitty changes!
Actually, if you want to blame something blame piracy. The game, music, and movie industry have lost billions to piracy and I don't blame them for trying to find a solution.
I have to agree with this.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Where did this "picking sides" thing come from? I always buy from where the game is cheaper. Whether thats Steam, or D2D, or Impulse, or Gamersgate... and sometimes.... from Gamestop or Frys or something, but much less because people in B&M stores are too chatty.
The ONLY problem I have with this is that, if they pull from other online retailers, it will be tougher for me to find a good deal, and I'm ALL about good deals, though, the EA store does mention some good deals now and then, but they are much less frequent.
Other than that though, I see no issue here, and no picking sides of any sort. I already have Steam and Impulse installed, and if I made my choice to install those, one more won't be the death knell. When I'm not using them I shut them down, no problems yet.
Well, anything that adds more and more processes running in the background I don't like. Call me a hater, whatever, but I have no "hate" in the sense that I like dislike one product over the other. I just don't like anything that slows down my PC by consuming either CPU or memory even though I'm not using it. I have no problem if it just sits on my disk until I need it, but both Origins and Steam will by default keep processes running AT ALL TIMES whether you need them or not.
I personally go through every pocess that runs on my PC (and there are a bunch, just open task manager and I bet you count at least 50 or so) and ensure all of them are essential. I remove those that I don't need and my PC performance has improved a ton by doing this. Note that Apple is also notorious for running many unnecessary processes at all times if you have any apple products installed on your PC for instance. Lots of individual products you install do this as well. It adds up fast and can really impact your computer performance if you don't remove this "bloat."
Yeah, there's a reason I don't install Apple products. Steam becomes a great convenience, however, if you actually make use of it and don't have <2GB of RAM. I have friends who play PC games, and the overlay is more useful for chatting than alt-tabbing to some IM client or texting or something. Plus there's the constant sales.
I'll give Steam credit for at least being very easy to configure to eliminate the background processes until you actually choose to load it. Many products you need to actually know what you are doing and disable the processes outside of the official product option screens.
I mentioned Apple before because they are THE WORST offender in my opinion. In many cases you actually need to delete (or rename to be safer) the offending file. Even removing from windows startup process list won't work. Many of their products don't even have an uninstall option, and actually install multiple layers of software that need to be uninstalled manually (via system utilities) in the proper order or else it may leave your system in poor shape. I actually had to do a system restore to an earlier checkpoint once trying to get rid of some Apple bloatware. I think Apple purposely tries to bloat Windows OSes so that people get frustrated with Windows. I'll admit that I may be wearing the tin foil hat on that one, but I stand by that claim: Avoid Apple product installs on Windows PCs if you can...
GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind" 1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN 2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements
Originally posted by kjempff As for required connection to Steam, I can accept that it is a copy protection solution, so my issue there is more of a idealogical opinion whether I want Steam to gather information about my habits and spam me with advertising.
Regardless of what other nonsense you believe, Steam doesn't spam anyone with ads.
But you know what forget it just keep hating anyway.
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss
i love Steam and always have. been a Valve fan since HL1 because all of their products are new, interesting and polished. Origin is just another icon i'll have to install on my toolbar, which sux. i mean, thats if EA actually publishes a decent game.
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QFT, what an utterly absurd thread.
Well for me Steam is not just a source for digital downloading, its a community to know what your friends are playing and when, and gives you a good sense if you would like certain games based on friends choices. And not just limited to a small selection.
Also I can't see EA offering the great offers that steam does. How about those 4pack's - buy 4 full copies of the game for you and your friends for a hugely reduced price! Sending games as gifts...
Iv not done much else apart from install origin, but I can't see a way to add non-ea games to the list, even just as shortcut to launch to let others know you are ingame? ((Maybe possible to create a link from Steam that launches a Origin game automatically?))
And come on, who else is going to follow suit, do you really want multiple programs running one for each developer, with diff friends in each and a select few games. I am sorry, but splitting my games across all these would just be a pain. Step backwards imo.
But can see why they have done it.
Wonder if EA is more likely to be hacked than Steam...
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Why do I feel like the people who are in support of Origin never use Steam and will never use Origin, either?
Seriously, is there anyone who actually likes Origin? Or is it purely Steam-hate? (You might say they're blowing off Steam.)
I don't understand what this means."Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss
I use steam, and I have origin downloaded.
I enjoy steam, but I beleive a company should maximize thier profits as much as they can by cutting off the middle man to continue to offer what they do competitively.
Maybe people like me think that most of the money should go back to the origin, as much as possible.
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according to stephen reid it will be the only digital source:
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=6591548#post6591548
StephenReid
Joined: Oct 2010
06.02.2011 , 09:49 PM
Hey everyone – well, apparently once again the online world trumps newsprint, as a story that was supposed to pop tomorrow popped up tonight! Let me give you a couple of notes on Origin.
First off: Origin is a fantastic new digital initiative from EA, and we're pleased to confirm that Star Wars: The Old Republic will be available exclusively for digital download from Origin.
However, even though you'll only be able to buy and download The Old Republic digitally via Origin, you will still be able to buy a retail, boxed copy of the game from your favorite retailer (and that includes online retailers who’ll ship the box to you). BioWare and EA know the value many gamers place on a cool boxed product... and we’re producing a cool boxed product. (Or maybe I should say 'boxed products'.
For me it has nothing to do with hate/love/like/apathy/whatever. I just think it is a matter of EA deciding they want to cut out the middleman, which is their right. The owners of the content call the shots in that regard, and the consumers of the content can decide whether that is acceptable or not by voting with their buying dollar.
I personally don't like any bloatware apps like Steam or Origins and prefer games to be purchased/installed standalone. Required bloatware is a negative overall and may impact my decision to buy a game if I am marginal on it already. But for a game I really want, it isn't a game breaker. I just set all options to be the least intrusive and I ensure it doesn't run in the background unless I am actually playing the game. Luckily I am computer savy enough to ensure that no auto loading of the bloatware processes in the background occurs.
GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind"
1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN
2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss
It means you buy a game, that you can only play if you register it to a Steam account. The game is forever locked to that account, and you can't actually sell the game to someone if you wished to. On top of that you are required to have a connection to Steam to play the game at all.
So as I said, I am handing MY game to Steam, and from then on I don't actually own the game, just the right to log in and play it.
In other businesses such business tactic would be called a scam.
Other than that, I think Steam is great giving us communities, easy updates and more... I will just never be able to accept the above mentioned - Well I have to, since I want to play Civilization 5 and Duke Nukem for example.
"I am my connectome" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HA7GwKXfJB0
I support BOTH companies.
Steam is not a bad product; it annoys me sometimes that it must be running for me to play a game, but really its a minor annoyance. Vlave has done a good job with Steam, especially with giving Indie developers a great place to start up their ideas and have a marketplace that is fairly accessible.
On the other hand Steam can be overpriced, especially for those who do not live in the US. Now that may not effect some people but I think that Valve could be a bit more fair to their consumers on a global scale. Also you can't register a game bought outside of Steam and then buy an expansion in Steam without re-buying the game. Again, nothing huge and nothing that I think warrants any hatred that some people seem to have.
Now with Origins, EA is trying to have their own version of Steam and that is completely fair for them to do. Far from unethical; and as I said earlier in the thread, it is actually good for us as consumers as any competition in a market forces prices down and quality up. Origins also serves another purpose that I am pretty sure is their main focus, fighting pirating. And honestly considering that the other alternative is getting a disk with a limited number of installs and such nonsense; I can deal with having an extra program running instead.
Neither company is doing anything wrong, as long as these services are not intrusive to our gaming experience. And as consumers we need to vote with our wallets as to what we are willing to accept from these companies. All the hate in this thread is a mute point, this is not helped though that the OP's tone was one of a childish temper tantrum and not really an attempt at any real line of discussion.
For me it has nothing to do with hate/love/like/apathy/whatever. I just think it is a matter of EA deciding they want to cut out the middleman, which is their right. The owners of the content call the shots in that regard, and the consumers of the content can decide whether that is acceptable or not by voting with their buying dollar.
I personally don't like any bloatware apps like Steam or Origins and prefer games to be purchased/installed standalone. Required bloatware is a negative overall and may impact my decision to buy a game if I am marginal on it already. But for a game I really want, it isn't a game breaker. I just set all options to be the least intrusive and I ensure it doesn't run in the background unless I am actually playing the game. Luckily I am computer savy enough to ensure that no auto loading of the bloatware processes in the background occurs.
Calling it bloatware over and over makes you sound like another hater. Just saying.
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss
Steam is actually underpriced for me, and I'm not in the US, I'm in Canada. I don't have to pay any sales tax on what I buy (which is 13% in my province) and the prices on steam are in USD. With the current strong Canadian dollar and no sales tax, and not to mention the constant sales on steam, I'm paying considerably less than if I were to go to a brick and mortar store in my neighborhood to buy a PC game. Not only that, but the selection on Steam is vastly better than most brick and mortar stores that sell PC games these days.
Per the ethicality, the shift in itself isn't unethical, but it is in my opinion a pretty low move on EA's part. I get that they're in competition and want their own platform, but completely dropping their games from being sold on Steam is not unlike them deciding to not allow Best Buy or Gamestop to sell their games. It's fully within their right to do, but it's still a pretty lame thing to do to the retailer and consumers who previously had that option.
My main concern with EA's new system is that I have a very strong suspicion that it will be used to further leverage EA's penchant for adding DLC by allowing them to be even more in your face with advertising.
Don't really care if they move games from steam my only problem with EA is their nickle and dime crap on console stores. I would much rather (if I do buy a digital game) buy right from the publisher rather then 3rd party. So I have no problems with the way they distribute their games over the internet DD wise that is.
Now I do own a lot of games on steam rarely play them but I do have them whenever I want to play. I also buy games with OnLive which I now like much more over steam cause it saves me a lot of space on my HDD.
This petition is useless and I would never sign something like it as it does not effect me anyway as a gamer.
Well, anything that adds more and more processes running in the background I don't like. Call me a hater, whatever, but I have no "hate" in the sense that I like dislike one product over the other. I just don't like anything that slows down my PC by consuming either CPU or memory even though I'm not using it. I have no problem if it just sits on my disk until I need it, but both Origins and Steam will by default keep processes running AT ALL TIMES whether you need them or not.
I personally go through every pocess that runs on my PC (and there are a bunch, just open task manager and I bet you count at least 50 or so) and ensure all of them are essential. I remove those that I don't need and my PC performance has improved a ton by doing this. Note that Apple is also notorious for running many unnecessary processes at all times if you have any apple products installed on your PC for instance. Lots of individual products you install do this as well. It adds up fast and can really impact your computer performance if you don't remove this "bloat."
GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind"
1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN
2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements
When you buy any game, you're only buying a license to play it. Technically, PC games aren't to be resold in the first place. The reason companies are implementing way of preventing resale isn't just to screw people. It's to enforce rules that have been in place but unenforceable for a long time. Next time you're at GameStop, look for the used PC game section. There's a reason there's no market for it.
On top of that, you are not required to have a connection to Steam to play a game on Steam. You only need the connection to authenticate the game. Once it's been authenticated, Steam can be run in offline mode, and once the game is launched, Steam can be closed.
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss
I have bought many games thru steam, most of the time the deals you can find on there are amazing, 75 to 90% off during specials on some recent games cant be beat.
I dont see how (if they are indeed pulling thier content from steam) they will be able to pull it off after so many people have bought EA products thru steam (myself included). Would steam have to refund money? I dont think so.
Hopefully it will just mean they cant sell any from here on out
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I know several people living in Scotland who pay almost the same amount in Pounds as I do in Dollars for a game off Steam. Considering that the Pound is worth almost 2 times the Dollar, doing that kind of flat conversion is rather obsurd. So my point of Steam being overpriced for some still stands.
Also EA is doing what every other company does, trying to maximize profits. There is nothing unethical about trying to make more for what you do unless you do something unethical in and of itself to acheive that end. EA wants a peice of Valve's pie, and there is nothing wrong with that. Once again, competition is only better for us because now the two will have to one up eachother to fight for our money. Comparing that to them taking it off of brick and mortar retailers is a strawman arguement at best, because we all know they are not going to do that and it is nothing more than an attempt to add weight to an arguement without any real basis. It is EA's product and they are allowed to decide who may and may not distribute it.
Finally, that is completely within EA's right to add more DLC selling attempts. I dont like it either but I also understand why a company would do this; profit and fight pirating. For EA it really is a catch 22 no matter what they do on the pirating issue alone; be really nice and bend over backwards for your customers while also losing profits because of pirating, or be aggressive against pirating but risk upsetting your customers. To us it seems like such an easy choice but to a bunch of business men with the future of their careers on the line and investers and stock-holders to answer to, not so much.
I imagine that is what will happen, all current games will still be there but new ones won't.
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss
Software is sold "as is" which means you have the right to use and resell the software without alteration. It is true you do not have the right to alter the software, but it is not true you don't own your copy of it.
As for required connection to Steam, I can accept that it is a copy protection solution, so my issue there is more of a idealogical opinion whether I want Steam to gather information about my habits and spam me with advertising.
So as I said, Steam give us the option to UN-register a game. That will settle my issues with them, and it will not lead to piracing or anything, since the game still has to authenticated through Steam and hence only the one who registered the game can play it.
To give an example from myself.. There was a game I was about to buy when I noticed Steam was required, but because it was not the game on my top list, I didn't - I would have it if hadn't Steam requirement. On the other hand, I just bought Duke Nukem yesterday because that game I wanted despite the Steam crap .. I wanted that game more than I hated Steam. So, I weight Steam as a negative when buying a game.. and sometimes the scales shift to not buying - And I expect others have the same approach.
Now excuse me, I must log in to Steam because "The aliens took our babes".
ps. I don't shop at game stop, and where I shop there a loads of second hand games and plenty buyers.
"I am my connectome" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HA7GwKXfJB0
I have to agree with this.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Where did this "picking sides" thing come from? I always buy from where the game is cheaper. Whether thats Steam, or D2D, or Impulse, or Gamersgate... and sometimes.... from Gamestop or Frys or something, but much less because people in B&M stores are too chatty.
The ONLY problem I have with this is that, if they pull from other online retailers, it will be tougher for me to find a good deal, and I'm ALL about good deals, though, the EA store does mention some good deals now and then, but they are much less frequent.
Other than that though, I see no issue here, and no picking sides of any sort. I already have Steam and Impulse installed, and if I made my choice to install those, one more won't be the death knell. When I'm not using them I shut them down, no problems yet.
I'll give Steam credit for at least being very easy to configure to eliminate the background processes until you actually choose to load it. Many products you need to actually know what you are doing and disable the processes outside of the official product option screens.
I mentioned Apple before because they are THE WORST offender in my opinion. In many cases you actually need to delete (or rename to be safer) the offending file. Even removing from windows startup process list won't work. Many of their products don't even have an uninstall option, and actually install multiple layers of software that need to be uninstalled manually (via system utilities) in the proper order or else it may leave your system in poor shape. I actually had to do a system restore to an earlier checkpoint once trying to get rid of some Apple bloatware. I think Apple purposely tries to bloat Windows OSes so that people get frustrated with Windows. I'll admit that I may be wearing the tin foil hat on that one, but I stand by that claim: Avoid Apple product installs on Windows PCs if you can...
GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind"
1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN
2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements
But you know what forget it just keep hating anyway.
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss
easy, goodbye EA published games, they are all half finished bags of crap anyhow
i love Steam and always have. been a Valve fan since HL1 because all of their products are new, interesting and polished. Origin is just another icon i'll have to install on my toolbar, which sux. i mean, thats if EA actually publishes a decent game.