This isn't even really a news item. Not a big deal, and It isn't anything really new. I mean, can you get World of Warcraft through Steam? Lord of the Rings?
Steam is great, and I love it, but it's not the ~only~ way to distribute software, and it doesn't have a monopoly on digital distribution. There are many, many titles out there that are digitally distributed that don't go through Steam, and we don't sit here and say "It's Either/Or!" with them.
Sure, I would love to just have to install one program to manage all my software. But at the same time, I like the concept of competition, because it raises the bar.
Aside from the fact that I can't stand EA as a publisher, I could really care less what they do with their distribution.
1. EA is pulling Crysis 2 from Steam. Lets say you have Crysis 2 already from Steam and your friend buys it from Origin. Will you be able to play together, or will you be forced to re-buy the game from Orgin in order to play together online? I don't know the answer but this dynamic is what people are referring to I think when they talk about breaking up communities and forcing people to choose.
2. I just found out that EA, in 'Fight Night Champion' sells stat increases/xp for your online boxer. If that is how EA is going to handle online gaming, fuck that.
The only reason I'm against it is that I dont want steam and seven other services all bogging down my PC. I dont want to have to track friends thru 7 different services and I dont want to have to browse thru 7 different online retailers to find the one who carries the game I want.
"Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game." - SEANMCAD
As for required connection to Steam, I can accept that it is a copy protection solution, so my issue there is more of a idealogical opinion whether I want Steam to gather information about my habits and spam me with advertising.
Regardless of what other nonsense you believe, Steam doesn't spam anyone with ads.
But you know what forget it just keep hating anyway.
Steam will pop some ads up after you're done playing a game or what have you.. Impulse on the other hand, will pop up ads daily which I find very annoying especially since they pop up ads over games I have absolutely no interest in.
As for required connection to Steam, I can accept that it is a copy protection solution, so my issue there is more of a idealogical opinion whether I want Steam to gather information about my habits and spam me with advertising.
Regardless of what other nonsense you believe, Steam doesn't spam anyone with ads.
But you know what forget it just keep hating anyway.
I have Steam open right now, 3 pages of ads, granted they don't send mails so it is an opinion of what is spam.
I can't beat the hater card, I only have ace of spades.. and this is getting far out of topic, we will just have to disagree.
The reason why steam has such a cult following is not only the sales but the DRM is virtually non existent. Add it to your cart, buy it, download it, and play it. It keeps a huge library, has tons of developers and publishers, the catalog is in amazing numbers.
Now you got EA updating the EA manager but taking away digital games and making them exclusive. I'm all for them doing w/e they want (I won't fuckin use it) to games coming out, but when you list something on a service and take it away that's some bullshit.
I believe that's where the OP is saying it's strong arm tactics. Valve exclusively sold Half life and portal series, but they never listed them elsewhere and then took them away that's where the line is drawn.
For those who have Crysis 2 on steam I'm sure its still there to dl and play but you can no longer purchase it on the steam store. Which is a lost sale for them cause i wont buy it on origin that's for damn sure.
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Thank you for the clarification, Stephen. I have one more question, will we have to install Origin and run it in order to play the game, get updates, etc. even if we purchase a boxed copy?
No, you won't.
While Origin will be the exclusive digital retailer for Star Wars: The Old Republic (in other words, if you want to buy it online and download it, you’ll do so through Origin) that does not mean that Origin is required for you to access or play The Old Republic.
Origin is a digital storefront, and the desktop application is there to give you quick access to Origin exclusives and deals.
However, you won’t need to launch the Origin application to run The Old Republic, nor will you patch the game via Origin. Once the game is on your hard disk, you’ll be connecting to our servers to patch and launch the game, and Origin does not have to be running to do that.
To answer another question - boxed versions of the game will include the client on DVD(s).
Thank you for the clarification, Stephen. I have one more question, will we have to install Origin and run it in order to play the game, get updates, etc. even if we purchase a boxed copy?
No, you won't.
While Origin will be the exclusive digital retailer for Star Wars: The Old Republic (in other words, if you want to buy it online and download it, you’ll do so through Origin) that does not mean that Origin is required for you to access or play The Old Republic.
Origin is a digital storefront, and the desktop application is there to give you quick access to Origin exclusives and deals.
However, you won’t need to launch the Origin application to run The Old Republic, nor will you patch the game via Origin. Once the game is on your hard disk, you’ll be connecting to our servers to patch and launch the game, and Origin does not have to be running to do that.
To answer another question - boxed versions of the game will include the client on DVD(s).
Well, this pretty much clarifies everything. I think that the OP's post has become obsolete now.
I don't really care if EA wants to do this, but I just hope they realize that the reason Steam has been such a success is because it's an expansive network across all studios and development teams, rather than specific to one effing company (stupid). I think it's great they're still allowing users to buy boxed copies which work regardless, but if they're asking me to install another god damn application, just to download or update their (mostly) shitty games, I'd rather not play or buy them.
I'd also like to point out that GFW has worked wonders for Microsoft, in direct competition with services like Steam and D2D. </sarcasm>
"This is life! We suffer and slave and expire. That's it!" -Bernard Black (Dylan Moran)
Thank you for the clarification, Stephen. I have one more question, will we have to install Origin and run it in order to play the game, get updates, etc. even if we purchase a boxed copy?
No, you won't.
While Origin will be the exclusive digital retailer for Star Wars: The Old Republic (in other words, if you want to buy it online and download it, you’ll do so through Origin) that does not mean that Origin is required for you to access or play The Old Republic.
Origin is a digital storefront, and the desktop application is there to give you quick access to Origin exclusives and deals.
However, you won’t need to launch the Origin application to run The Old Republic, nor will you patch the game via Origin. Once the game is on your hard disk, you’ll be connecting to our servers to patch and launch the game, and Origin does not have to be running to do that.
To answer another question - boxed versions of the game will include the client on DVD(s).
Well, this pretty much clarifies everything. I think that the OP's post has become obsolete now.
it was not EA's Decision to force or remove Crysis or other content off of Steam but Crytek,
Reason? they had other dates with Other digital retail groups.
those other Retail groups, a.k.a. "Origin"
"Crytek has an agreement with another download service" which violates some new rules imposed by Steam, resulting in the "expulsion of Crysis 2 from Steam," according to comments made by EA to Giant Bomb."
So force or no force, Crytek ahead of time already made plans to put their stuff on other areas and not steam exlucisvely.
So, Recap time:
1. Swtor will have both digital and box copy, and not just digital only. already proven from multiple times as is from the bioware team
2. EA were NOT the ones to force crytek to get off of steam to move over to Origin as the this Thread Title suggests and in addition, this being a counter argument to pcgamer.com's article
If you want to be competitive with your new portal Orgin...sell your games with a 10% discount or give us exclusive content....
But taking your games out of other working stores like Steam that uses millions players....will only drop your sales to minimums....
I wonder who the f**** had that great idea.... i would of have fired them all.
You didnt read the article that the poster above you linked. Its not EA, but the developer Crytek who is removing there games like Crysis from Steam because they dont fall within some Steam rules.
The reason why steam has such a cult following is not only the sales but the DRM is virtually non existent. Add it to your cart, buy it, download it, and play it. It keeps a huge library, has tons of developers and publishers, the catalog is in amazing numbers.
Now you got EA updating the EA manager but taking away digital games and making them exclusive. I'm all for them doing w/e they want (I won't fuckin use it) to games coming out, but when you list something on a service and take it away that's some bullshit.
I believe that's where the OP is saying it's strong arm tactics. Valve exclusively sold Half life and portal series, but they never listed them elsewhere and then took them away that's where the line is drawn.
For those who have Crysis 2 on steam I'm sure its still there to dl and play but you can no longer purchase it on the steam store. Which is a lost sale for them cause i wont buy it on origin that's for damn sure.
"Crytek has an agreement with another download service" which violates some new rules imposed by Steam, resulting in the "expulsion of Crysis 2 from Steam," according to comments made by EA to Giant Bomb."
I guess blame steam?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Steam sucks anyway, so sick and tired of games I buy in a store forcing me to install steam just to play it, rather honestly pirate them insted just so I can avoid the extra hassle. Recent offenders is Red faction Armageddeon, and.. some other game thats name escapes me atm. Steam to me doesn't prevent piracy at all. It does have its advantages, but I wish once the game is installed and activated that I didn't need steam just to run it later.
I also think its not right for steam or any digital download service to be charging full box price when you don't get the full box, it should be at least 10-15 cheaper than buying it in a store.
Being a pessimist is a win-win pattern of thinking. If you're a pessimist (I'll admit that I am!) you're either:
A. Proven right (if something bad happens)
or
B. Pleasantly surprised (if something good happens)
So in the future gamers will prob. have to use 2, maybe 4 different "steam" platforms on their system to play a specific game, fuck that. Hopefully some programmer will be able to make an "all-in-one" program which links upp all your platforms together because I'm definately not looking forward alt-tabbing between different "steam" programs for different games, friend lists, communities etc...
I have not bought an EA game in over a year and am never going to purchase another one.
At some poine people need to speak with their money.
I also sent EA and email and snail mail of my reasons why, I never heard back from them.
More people need to take a stand, notify the company of the stand, and never look back. It is the only power we have.
“It's unwise to pay too much, but it's worse to pay too little. When you pay too much, you lose a little money - that's all. When you pay too little, you sometimes lose everything, because the thing you bought was incapable of doing the thing it was bought to do. The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot - it can't be done. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well to add something for the risk you run, and if you do that you will have enough to pay for something better.”
The killer of gaming franchises. (Command & Conquer anyone? And don't say you liked Twilight. The best part of that was the ingame vids)
This is the company which releases games that need patches to work correctly BEFORE their even out of the box. (Yes, yes. we know the game was missing a few hundred lines of code to work, but hey, we got it out on the release date right?! Don't worry, we'll release a 200 meg patch the day after release so you can get past the launch screen. *winkwink* )
Its going to take them a year just to get the glitches out of Origin. Unless they do like they do most of the time which is shelve a game when they can't fix it and just move onto the next one.
Lets just hope your gaming accounts aren't hacked while their getting them out...
I didn't take the time to read all 122 posts, but I hope that somewhere in there, it was pointed out to the OP that his post is wholly inacurate. Origin will be the only way to get TOR via download. Also, Valve removed Crysis 2, not EA.
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
The reason why steam has such a cult following is not only the sales but the DRM is virtually non existent. Add it to your cart, buy it, download it, and play it. It keeps a huge library, has tons of developers and publishers, the catalog is in amazing numbers.
Now you got EA updating the EA manager but taking away digital games and making them exclusive. I'm all for them doing w/e they want (I won't fuckin use it) to games coming out, but when you list something on a service and take it away that's some bullshit.
I believe that's where the OP is saying it's strong arm tactics. Valve exclusively sold Half life and portal series, but they never listed them elsewhere and then took them away that's where the line is drawn.
For those who have Crysis 2 on steam I'm sure its still there to dl and play but you can no longer purchase it on the steam store. Which is a lost sale for them cause i wont buy it on origin that's for damn sure.
"Crytek has an agreement with another download service" which violates some new rules imposed by Steam, resulting in the "expulsion of Crysis 2 from Steam," according to comments made by EA to Giant Bomb."
I guess blame steam?
You don't know what Crytek did to violate the terms.
Games are rarely pulled from Steam, but when they are it's for a good reason.
For example, Dawn of Discovery was pulled from steam (no longer puchasable but still playable if already purchased) because Ubisoft, the company in charge distribution of the game in NA, refuses to convert over and release the latest patches of the game which were made by the developer and released for the EU version of the game. To my understanding, this violated Steam's terms, which my best guess is that a developer cannot restrict/neglect to make patches or DLC available to the Steam version of the game.
That could very well be what Crytek did, but with it's new upcoming DLC. They may have refused to make the Crysis 2 DLC available for the Steam version, even though they plan on making it available through other online content providers.
In any case, this is EA we're talking about. I highly doubt they're completely innocent in all of this.
The reason why steam has such a cult following is not only the sales but the DRM is virtually non existent. Add it to your cart, buy it, download it, and play it. It keeps a huge library, has tons of developers and publishers, the catalog is in amazing numbers.
Now you got EA updating the EA manager but taking away digital games and making them exclusive. I'm all for them doing w/e they want (I won't fuckin use it) to games coming out, but when you list something on a service and take it away that's some bullshit.
I believe that's where the OP is saying it's strong arm tactics. Valve exclusively sold Half life and portal series, but they never listed them elsewhere and then took them away that's where the line is drawn.
For those who have Crysis 2 on steam I'm sure its still there to dl and play but you can no longer purchase it on the steam store. Which is a lost sale for them cause i wont buy it on origin that's for damn sure.
"Crytek has an agreement with another download service" which violates some new rules imposed by Steam, resulting in the "expulsion of Crysis 2 from Steam," according to comments made by EA to Giant Bomb."
I guess blame steam?
You don't know what Crytek did to violate the terms.
Games are rarely pulled from Steam, but when they are it's for a good reason.
For example, Dawn of Discovery was pulled from steam (no longer puchasable but still playable if already purchased) because Ubisoft, the company in charge distribution of the game in NA, refuses to convert over and release the latest patches of the game which were made by the developer and released for the EU version of the game. To my understanding, this violated Steam's terms, which my best guess is that a developer cannot restrict/neglect to make patches or DLC available to the Steam version of the game.
That could very well be what Crytek did, but with it's new upcoming DLC. They may have refused to make the Crysis 2 DLC available for the Steam version, even though they plan on making it available through other online content providers.
In any case, this is EA we're talking about. I highly doubt they're completely innocent in all of this.
Well maybe steam should stop screwing with the games files. I don't buy games off steam because they are generally incomapable with patches, and a special steam one needs to be made, which is just a pain in the ass for the devs and the customer.
Being a pessimist is a win-win pattern of thinking. If you're a pessimist (I'll admit that I am!) you're either:
A. Proven right (if something bad happens)
or
B. Pleasantly surprised (if something good happens)
The reason why steam has such a cult following is not only the sales but the DRM is virtually non existent. Add it to your cart, buy it, download it, and play it. It keeps a huge library, has tons of developers and publishers, the catalog is in amazing numbers.
Now you got EA updating the EA manager but taking away digital games and making them exclusive. I'm all for them doing w/e they want (I won't fuckin use it) to games coming out, but when you list something on a service and take it away that's some bullshit.
I believe that's where the OP is saying it's strong arm tactics. Valve exclusively sold Half life and portal series, but they never listed them elsewhere and then took them away that's where the line is drawn.
For those who have Crysis 2 on steam I'm sure its still there to dl and play but you can no longer purchase it on the steam store. Which is a lost sale for them cause i wont buy it on origin that's for damn sure.
"Crytek has an agreement with another download service" which violates some new rules imposed by Steam, resulting in the "expulsion of Crysis 2 from Steam," according to comments made by EA to Giant Bomb."
I guess blame steam?
You don't know what Crytek did to violate the terms.
Games are rarely pulled from Steam, but when they are it's for a good reason.
For example, Dawn of Discovery was pulled from steam (no longer puchasable but still playable if already purchased) because Ubisoft, the company in charge distribution of the game in NA, refuses to convert over and release the latest patches of the game which were made by the developer and released for the EU version of the game. To my understanding, this violated Steam's terms, which my best guess is that a developer cannot restrict/neglect to make patches or DLC available to the Steam version of the game.
That could very well be what Crytek did, but with it's new upcoming DLC. They may have refused to make the Crysis 2 DLC available for the Steam version, even though they plan on making it available through other online content providers.
In any case, this is EA we're talking about. I highly doubt they're completely innocent in all of this.
Well maybe steam should stop screwing with the games files. I don't buy games off steam because they are generally incomapable with patches, and a special steam one needs to be made, which is just a pain in the ass for the devs and the customer.
Steam doesn't modify game files. Any conflict with steam with regards to converting the files over to be compatible to execute under steam, generally have everything to do with disabling DRM embedded into the games by the developers themselves. Similar to non-steam patches not working with the steam version of the game, is because the non-steam versions tend to have a metric ton of DRM embedded which requires patches to work differently.
Per my example of Dawn of Discovery, Ubisoft who is the publisher of the game in North America, couldn't be bothered to make the patch available for ANY of the North American versions of the game, steam, boxed, D2D, and otherwise. It's the responsibility of the publisher for the region to convert any patches into their region, because the publishers have to alter the client per their region's release, whether due to localization or because of region specific DRM. BlueByte, the original devs, made several patches for the game and made the code available to Ubisoft, but Ubisoft just blew off their responsibility and in doing so violated Steam's terms.
*points at quite a few fallout 3/nv mods that won't work on steam because of how steam messes with game files* enough said. Some of the bigger mods need all these workarounds to work with the steam version, where as they won't fine in th eboxed version. Before you yell DRM, Fallout 3 never had any drm, you could pirate fallout 3 and run it out of the box with no modifing of files at all. Fallout NV its just a simple exe replacement. Then you can use all the mods you want without special work arounds due to steam. The problem is steam compresses the files a certan way. into these big pack files, and iirc steam does not decompress said files when the game is installed.. I'll have to double check this but I assume thats why some mods don't work. All I know is steam+modable game=stupid idea to buy from steam.
Being a pessimist is a win-win pattern of thinking. If you're a pessimist (I'll admit that I am!) you're either:
A. Proven right (if something bad happens)
or
B. Pleasantly surprised (if something good happens)
If you want to be competitive with your new portal Orgin...sell your games with a 10% discount or give us exclusive content....
But taking your games out of other working stores like Steam that uses millions players....will only drop your sales to minimums....
I wonder who the f**** had that great idea.... i would of have fired them all.
You didnt read the article that the poster above you linked. Its not EA, but the developer Crytek who is removing there games like Crysis from Steam because they dont fall within some Steam rules.
You know given that Crysis was already on Steam, that doesn't make a lot of sense. What makes more sense is that EA/Crytek made a change to the game that deliberately broke Steam's rules forcing Steam to boot them.
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If it means I can download and play SWTOR from the moment the servers open, i'm happy. Even pre-ordering from online stores, I always get my copy late
This isn't even really a news item. Not a big deal, and It isn't anything really new. I mean, can you get World of Warcraft through Steam? Lord of the Rings?
Steam is great, and I love it, but it's not the ~only~ way to distribute software, and it doesn't have a monopoly on digital distribution. There are many, many titles out there that are digitally distributed that don't go through Steam, and we don't sit here and say "It's Either/Or!" with them.
Sure, I would love to just have to install one program to manage all my software. But at the same time, I like the concept of competition, because it raises the bar.
Aside from the fact that I can't stand EA as a publisher, I could really care less what they do with their distribution.
There are 2 potentially valid points.
1. EA is pulling Crysis 2 from Steam. Lets say you have Crysis 2 already from Steam and your friend buys it from Origin. Will you be able to play together, or will you be forced to re-buy the game from Orgin in order to play together online? I don't know the answer but this dynamic is what people are referring to I think when they talk about breaking up communities and forcing people to choose.
2. I just found out that EA, in 'Fight Night Champion' sells stat increases/xp for your online boxer. If that is how EA is going to handle online gaming, fuck that.
The only reason I'm against it is that I dont want steam and seven other services all bogging down my PC. I dont want to have to track friends thru 7 different services and I dont want to have to browse thru 7 different online retailers to find the one who carries the game I want.
Steam will pop some ads up after you're done playing a game or what have you.. Impulse on the other hand, will pop up ads daily which I find very annoying especially since they pop up ads over games I have absolutely no interest in.
I have Steam open right now, 3 pages of ads, granted they don't send mails so it is an opinion of what is spam.
I can't beat the hater card, I only have ace of spades.. and this is getting far out of topic, we will just have to disagree.
"I am my connectome" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HA7GwKXfJB0
The reason why steam has such a cult following is not only the sales but the DRM is virtually non existent. Add it to your cart, buy it, download it, and play it. It keeps a huge library, has tons of developers and publishers, the catalog is in amazing numbers.
Now you got EA updating the EA manager but taking away digital games and making them exclusive. I'm all for them doing w/e they want (I won't fuckin use it) to games coming out, but when you list something on a service and take it away that's some bullshit.
I believe that's where the OP is saying it's strong arm tactics. Valve exclusively sold Half life and portal series, but they never listed them elsewhere and then took them away that's where the line is drawn.
For those who have Crysis 2 on steam I'm sure its still there to dl and play but you can no longer purchase it on the steam store. Which is a lost sale for them cause i wont buy it on origin that's for damn sure.
this was just posted by CM stephen Reid ovre on the tor official forums. it seems origin will not need to be run in order to play the TOR:
StephenReid General Discussion -> Options to Origin
Quote:
Originally Posted by krookie
Thank you for the clarification, Stephen. I have one more question, will we have to install Origin and run it in order to play the game, get updates, etc. even if we purchase a boxed copy?
No, you won't.
While Origin will be the exclusive digital retailer for Star Wars: The Old Republic (in other words, if you want to buy it online and download it, you’ll do so through Origin) that does not mean that Origin is required for you to access or play The Old Republic.
Origin is a digital storefront, and the desktop application is there to give you quick access to Origin exclusives and deals.
However, you won’t need to launch the Origin application to run The Old Republic, nor will you patch the game via Origin. Once the game is on your hard disk, you’ll be connecting to our servers to patch and launch the game, and Origin does not have to be running to do that.
To answer another question - boxed versions of the game will include the client on DVD(s).
Well, this pretty much clarifies everything. I think that the OP's post has become obsolete now.
I don't really care if EA wants to do this, but I just hope they realize that the reason Steam has been such a success is because it's an expansive network across all studios and development teams, rather than specific to one effing company (stupid). I think it's great they're still allowing users to buy boxed copies which work regardless, but if they're asking me to install another god damn application, just to download or update their (mostly) shitty games, I'd rather not play or buy them.
I'd also like to point out that GFW has worked wonders for Microsoft, in direct competition with services like Steam and D2D. </sarcasm>
"This is life! We suffer and slave and expire. That's it!" -Bernard Black (Dylan Moran)
OBJECTION!!!
threads not dead yet!
http://www.joystiq.com/2011/06/15/crysis-2-ditching-steam-not-an-ea-decision-origin-exclusive-tit/#comments
Tl;dr version-
it was not EA's Decision to force or remove Crysis or other content off of Steam but Crytek,
Reason? they had other dates with Other digital retail groups.
those other Retail groups, a.k.a. "Origin"
"Crytek has an agreement with another download service" which violates some new rules imposed by Steam, resulting in the "expulsion of Crysis 2 from Steam," according to comments made by EA to Giant Bomb."
So force or no force, Crytek ahead of time already made plans to put their stuff on other areas and not steam exlucisvely.
So, Recap time:
1. Swtor will have both digital and box copy, and not just digital only. already proven from multiple times as is from the bioware team
2. EA were NOT the ones to force crytek to get off of steam to move over to Origin as the this Thread Title suggests and in addition, this being a counter argument to pcgamer.com's article
Bad move EA...really bad move ¬¬
If you want to be competitive with your new portal Orgin...sell your games with a 10% discount or give us exclusive content....
But taking your games out of other working stores like Steam that uses millions players....will only drop your sales to minimums....
I wonder who the f**** had that great idea.... i would of have fired them all.
You didnt read the article that the poster above you linked. Its not EA, but the developer Crytek who is removing there games like Crysis from Steam because they dont fall within some Steam rules.
Crysis 2 ditching Steam not an EA decision; Origin-exclusive titles planned
"Crytek has an agreement with another download service" which violates some new rules imposed by Steam, resulting in the "expulsion of Crysis 2 from Steam," according to comments made by EA to Giant Bomb."
I guess blame steam?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Steam sucks anyway, so sick and tired of games I buy in a store forcing me to install steam just to play it, rather honestly pirate them insted just so I can avoid the extra hassle. Recent offenders is Red faction Armageddeon, and.. some other game thats name escapes me atm. Steam to me doesn't prevent piracy at all. It does have its advantages, but I wish once the game is installed and activated that I didn't need steam just to run it later.
I also think its not right for steam or any digital download service to be charging full box price when you don't get the full box, it should be at least 10-15 cheaper than buying it in a store.
Being a pessimist is a win-win pattern of thinking. If you're a pessimist (I'll admit that I am!) you're either:
A. Proven right (if something bad happens)
or
B. Pleasantly surprised (if something good happens)
Either way, you can't lose! Try it out sometime!
So in the future gamers will prob. have to use 2, maybe 4 different "steam" platforms on their system to play a specific game, fuck that. Hopefully some programmer will be able to make an "all-in-one" program which links upp all your platforms together because I'm definately not looking forward alt-tabbing between different "steam" programs for different games, friend lists, communities etc...
I have not bought an EA game in over a year and am never going to purchase another one.
At some poine people need to speak with their money.
I also sent EA and email and snail mail of my reasons why, I never heard back from them.
More people need to take a stand, notify the company of the stand, and never look back. It is the only power we have.
--John Ruskin
This is EA we're talking about gents.
The killer of gaming franchises. (Command & Conquer anyone? And don't say you liked Twilight. The best part of that was the ingame vids)
This is the company which releases games that need patches to work correctly BEFORE their even out of the box. (Yes, yes. we know the game was missing a few hundred lines of code to work, but hey, we got it out on the release date right?! Don't worry, we'll release a 200 meg patch the day after release so you can get past the launch screen. *winkwink* )
Its going to take them a year just to get the glitches out of Origin. Unless they do like they do most of the time which is shelve a game when they can't fix it and just move onto the next one.
Lets just hope your gaming accounts aren't hacked while their getting them out...
I didn't take the time to read all 122 posts, but I hope that somewhere in there, it was pointed out to the OP that his post is wholly inacurate. Origin will be the only way to get TOR via download. Also, Valve removed Crysis 2, not EA.
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
You don't know what Crytek did to violate the terms.
Games are rarely pulled from Steam, but when they are it's for a good reason.
For example, Dawn of Discovery was pulled from steam (no longer puchasable but still playable if already purchased) because Ubisoft, the company in charge distribution of the game in NA, refuses to convert over and release the latest patches of the game which were made by the developer and released for the EU version of the game. To my understanding, this violated Steam's terms, which my best guess is that a developer cannot restrict/neglect to make patches or DLC available to the Steam version of the game.
That could very well be what Crytek did, but with it's new upcoming DLC. They may have refused to make the Crysis 2 DLC available for the Steam version, even though they plan on making it available through other online content providers.
In any case, this is EA we're talking about. I highly doubt they're completely innocent in all of this.
Well maybe steam should stop screwing with the games files. I don't buy games off steam because they are generally incomapable with patches, and a special steam one needs to be made, which is just a pain in the ass for the devs and the customer.
Being a pessimist is a win-win pattern of thinking. If you're a pessimist (I'll admit that I am!) you're either:
A. Proven right (if something bad happens)
or
B. Pleasantly surprised (if something good happens)
Either way, you can't lose! Try it out sometime!
Steam doesn't modify game files. Any conflict with steam with regards to converting the files over to be compatible to execute under steam, generally have everything to do with disabling DRM embedded into the games by the developers themselves. Similar to non-steam patches not working with the steam version of the game, is because the non-steam versions tend to have a metric ton of DRM embedded which requires patches to work differently.
Per my example of Dawn of Discovery, Ubisoft who is the publisher of the game in North America, couldn't be bothered to make the patch available for ANY of the North American versions of the game, steam, boxed, D2D, and otherwise. It's the responsibility of the publisher for the region to convert any patches into their region, because the publishers have to alter the client per their region's release, whether due to localization or because of region specific DRM. BlueByte, the original devs, made several patches for the game and made the code available to Ubisoft, but Ubisoft just blew off their responsibility and in doing so violated Steam's terms.
*points at quite a few fallout 3/nv mods that won't work on steam because of how steam messes with game files* enough said. Some of the bigger mods need all these workarounds to work with the steam version, where as they won't fine in th eboxed version. Before you yell DRM, Fallout 3 never had any drm, you could pirate fallout 3 and run it out of the box with no modifing of files at all. Fallout NV its just a simple exe replacement. Then you can use all the mods you want without special work arounds due to steam. The problem is steam compresses the files a certan way. into these big pack files, and iirc steam does not decompress said files when the game is installed.. I'll have to double check this but I assume thats why some mods don't work. All I know is steam+modable game=stupid idea to buy from steam.
Being a pessimist is a win-win pattern of thinking. If you're a pessimist (I'll admit that I am!) you're either:
A. Proven right (if something bad happens)
or
B. Pleasantly surprised (if something good happens)
Either way, you can't lose! Try it out sometime!
Do I get reimbursed for Crysis 2? I just bought that like the day before yesterday, and now it's no longer in my library. I'm really confused.
You know given that Crysis was already on Steam, that doesn't make a lot of sense. What makes more sense is that EA/Crytek made a change to the game that deliberately broke Steam's rules forcing Steam to boot them.