I know of not 1 single player that plays 2 MMO's at once, now I do know some who play console games or single player or multiplayer FPS. But for the most part I think most MMO gamers only play 1 MMO at a time because the very nature of the genre makes it more attuned to someone devoting huge chunks of time to it.
Plus although GW2 wil lbe F2P, it is a true MMO unlike GW1 so if you decide to take a few weeks break you will fall behind i nprogression just like a real MMO.
I'm pretty sure that quite a number of MMO gamers are going to give Hellgate or AoC a try without unsubbing from their current MMO, at least I know a number of friends and MMO guildies that are doing it like that, and that's only a recent example. With LotrO and GW I saw the same.
When an MMO becomes F2P/B2P it basically gains the characteristics of a singleplayer game or multiplayer game, namely something that you can play whenever you like or feel up to it without having to sub to it or give up your current MMO.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Why wouldn't they go ahead and give those MMO's a try or keep a sub running to keep in touch with friends and guildies in those games? After all, GW2 won't prevent them, since you don't have to pay a sub anyway for it.
I think what will be very telling is where the longevity is on both of these titles. I rarely play more than one MMO exclusively, but I may stay subbed to more than one a month. If SWTOR is a great game that I want to stay subbed to, I'm not going to cancel my sub for GW2, I'll just play whichever one I want to play, when I want to play it.
If theres so much to do in SWTOR then I likely won't play GW2 every day or every week, and it won't really hurt me any monetarily. If I am having a good time in GW2 and only want to play SWTOR every other week, no harm done. If both games are worth playing at all, they are worth paying for.
That being said, saying GW2 is in direct competition with SWTOR doesn't seem right, as, like you said, that would be the same as saying GW2 and SWTOR are in direct competition with Skyrim. They are all games, but different genres, and different payment models. (well... SWTOR is).
Their not similar. Skyrim is a single player RPG, gw2 and swtor are mmo's. They offer similar experiences by both being mmo's hence they're in competition with each other. It's not rocket science. Call of Duty is not in direct competition with Skyrim either although they may compete with a person's time. They have some overlapping customers but that's it. A person interested mainly with mmo's will choose between gw2, swtor or both etc. They have the biggest amount of overlapping customers and hence are in direct competition with each other. The choice is there as not everyone interested in both games will in fact get both games.
I know of not 1 single player that plays 2 MMO's at once, now I do know some who play console games or single player or multiplayer FPS. But for the most part I think most MMO gamers only play 1 MMO at a time because the very nature of the genre makes it more attuned to someone devoting huge chunks of time to it.
Plus although GW2 wil lbe F2P, it is a true MMO unlike GW1 so if you decide to take a few weeks break you will fall behind i nprogression just like a real MMO.
I'm pretty sure that quite a number of MMO gamers are going to give Hellgate or AoC a try without unsubbing from their current MMO, at least I know a number of friends and MMO guildies that are doing it like that, and that's only a recent example. With LotrO and GW I saw the same.
When an MMO becomes F2P/B2P it basically gains the characteristics of a singleplayer game or multiplayer game, namely something that you can play whenever you like or feel up to it without having to sub to it or give up your current MMO.
I've been playing SWG, AOC and EVE on and off for a while, now that AOC is F2P I'll be playing all three regularly I'm sure.
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Ok here's what I took from that statement " I am a GW2 fan GW2 is going to rock and ToR is going to suck". Nothing I haven't seen nor heard before, but hey everyone is entitled to their opinion. Add a rolling flip to the basic circle strafe and call it innovating and it's the next best thing since sliced bread.
No. What he mean is that Swtor is an mmorpg among others and while GW2 will be a innovative mmorpg and not like others.
Sure Swtor will be a cool game but it won't be something "new and fun". There is 100 mmorpgs like Swtor and there is none like GW and GW2...sure some stuff in GW2 has been done before but not to the extent of what ArenaNet had done with GW2. They're pushing GW2 to become the best game you have played.
Just like I don't pay attention to critics, I'll take what this guy's opinion as what it is, an opinion. I still have no interest in GW2 and only plan on playing TOR when it comes out.
THIS is what i call fanboyism. I have nothing against it, but please everyone in this thread get your facts straight.
Casey had a point with his statement, it was not fanboyism.
Just like I don't pay attention to critics, I'll take what this guy's opinion as what it is, an opinion. I still have no interest in GW2 and only plan on playing TOR when it comes out.
THIS is what i call fanboyism. I have nothing against it, but please everyone in this thread get your facts straight.
Casey had a point with his statement, it was not fanboyism.
Where did I say he was being a fanboy? I didn't, hard to believe I wrote two sentences and you miscomprehended even that. I'm just saying I really don't care about GW2 and like Bioware/Star Wars/Information given too much not to look forward to TOR. Sure, I hope it'll be a great game for those who are interested, but remember that just because something is innovative doesn't make it better off.
By the way can we cut down on throwing that dumb term (fanboy) around when it isn't even warranted? I mean, really, guys. Jeez.
One problem GW2 has and can never overcome no matter how hard it tries is "Its a PVP Game" so right there its lossing a massive percent of the MMO market , a Pure PVP game is like running a marathon on one leg , be it there nothing like hunting down that scum that ganked your friend 10 time or sneaking up on the jerk camping player corpses.. they just don't have the mass apeal of a MMO that caters for both PVP & PVE
But on the other hand being the best PVP game will draw lots of players since there really isn't any decent pvp game around so we will just have to wait & see , X fingers is doesn't got the way of Darkfall..
One problem GW2 has and can never overcome no matter how hard it tries is "Its a PVP Game" so right there its lossing a massive percent of the MMO market , a Pure PVP game is like running a marathon on one leg , be it there nothing like hunting down that scum that ganked your friend 10 time or sneaking up on the jerk camping player corpses.. they just don't have the mass apeal of a MMO that caters for both PVP & PVE
But on the other hand being the best PVP game will draw lots of players since there really isn't any decent pvp game around so we will just have to wait & see , X fingers is doesn't got the way of Darkfall..
Casey Schreiner from G4 (The MMO Report): "I think that Guild Wars2 is going to be the next big MMO. I think it's gonna beat SWTOR. I think it's gonna be a better game than SWToR... I think with SWToR you're gonna see a lot of people sign up initially,, they're gonna find out that it's a well made game in SW universe that doesn't offer a lot of innovation, and when they see what GW is doing they're gonna be shocked."
Doesn't it worry people that there has been a previous SCIFI MMO out and it bombed? And not just any SCIFI MMO but a Star Wars one? Just think you are back as a kid in the cinema watching your first Star Wars film ever. You remember the Euphoria, the instant die hard fan addiction? Star Wars Galaxies, based on that mass fandom, should have been the most successful MMORPG ever, ever released, ever. And it tanked when they messed with lore. That's a fear for TOR. "No way would that happen in lore, yah boo sucks to this bye."
That's a big problem with TOR. The dev's have a strict set of lore they can only tinker with. Put in Ewok Sith, just an example of a future decision not actually ingame as far as I know, and the whole game sinks like a super star destroyer into the surface of the second Death Star.
GW2 doesn't have that problem. It can do what it likes with lore. Hell, even make a race that looks uncannily like an Ewok dark lord of the Sith if they felt like it. They can get away with it since it's open ended lore development. TOR does have some flexibilty but must ultimately constrain itself to the Sith getting wiped out leading to Luke and Leia's time when there's only one master and one apprentice of the Sith left. So that's going to be a big psychological restraint in the players mind who wish to play Sith right from the start. GW2 has the advantage there.
Seriously, who wants ANOTHER Fantasy mmo? I'm so sick of going between GW, EQ2, WoW. Bring on TOR!
TBF in the grand scheme of things swtor being sci fi really matters exceptionally little. It being sci fi won't make the game play any better than fantasy game and if it's simply a fantasy game with sci fi skin, the novelty wears off very quickly.
Just like I don't pay attention to critics, I'll take what this guy's opinion as what it is, an opinion. I still have no interest in GW2 and only plan on playing TOR when it comes out.
THIS is what i call fanboyism. I have nothing against it, but please everyone in this thread get your facts straight.
Casey had a point with his statement, it was not fanboyism.
Where did I say he was being a fanboy? I didn't, hard to believe I wrote two sentences and you miscomprehended even that. I'm just saying I really don't care about GW2 and like Bioware/Star Wars/Information given too much not to look forward to TOR. Sure, I hope it'll be a great game for those who are interested, but remember that just because something is innovative doesn't make it better off.
By the way can we cut down on throwing that dumb term (fanboy) around when it isn't even warranted? I mean, really, guys. Jeez.
I did'nt mean you. I used your post as an example. That's why i wrote " Everyone in this thread get your facts straight."
Originally posted by Warband Originally posted by Raora Seriously, who wants ANOTHER Fantasy mmo? I'm so sick of going between GW, EQ2, WoW. Bring on TOR!
TBF in the grand scheme of things swtor being sci fi really matters exceptionally little. It being sci fi won't make the game play any better than fantasy game and if it's simply a fantasy game with sci fi skin, the novelty wears off very quickly. Yep, Gameplay > Setting, for me anyway. As long as the games is fun. I will play.
Just like I don't pay attention to critics, I'll take what this guy's opinion as what it is, an opinion. I still have no interest in GW2 and only plan on playing TOR when it comes out.
THIS is what i call fanboyism. I have nothing against it, but please everyone in this thread get your facts straight.
Casey had a point with his statement, it was not fanboyism.
Where did I say he was being a fanboy? I didn't, hard to believe I wrote two sentences and you miscomprehended even that. I'm just saying I really don't care about GW2 and like Bioware/Star Wars/Information given too much not to look forward to TOR. Sure, I hope it'll be a great game for those who are interested, but remember that just because something is innovative doesn't make it better off.
By the way can we cut down on throwing that dumb term (fanboy) around when it isn't even warranted? I mean, really, guys. Jeez.
I did'nt mean you. I used your post as an example. That's why i wrote " Everyone in this thread get your facts straight."
Your post perfectly fit fanboyism.
That one might fit "fanboyism", however my second post is more of what I believe (more balanced opinion, not really fanboyish) as I feel that people will have fun with GW2, it just isn't what I want. My opinion, yes, just as what that guy and what you posted is opinion. Nothing more, nothing less.
You can't compare GW2 and SWTOR! We can only compare how much sales they gonna make, and we shall see which one is more popular.
You can't compare any game anyway! its like BF3 and MW3. we all know that MW3 will sell more copy then BF3 just because its COD, but the way i see it right now BF3 hands down win for best game,,
its Starwars , just because of the name its already win (for the sales).but for the better game? lol i dont think so,
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One problem GW2 has and can never overcome no matter how hard it tries is "Its a PVP Game" so right there its lossing a massive percent of the MMO market , a Pure PVP game is like running a marathon on one leg , be it there nothing like hunting down that scum that ganked your friend 10 time or sneaking up on the jerk camping player corpses.. they just don't have the mass apeal of a MMO that caters for both PVP & PVE
But on the other hand being the best PVP game will draw lots of players since there really isn't any decent pvp game around so we will just have to wait & see , X fingers is doesn't got the way of Darkfall..
Hahahaha. i've heard this before. No, GW2 is not a PvP game only. It has both PvP and PvE and i would guess they have more PvE content than PvP.
GW2 will have Dynamic Events, over 1500.
Personal story.
Dungeons.
Dungeons can branch out in 3 different ways and change the dungeon from the first time to the 5 time you visit it.
Unique looking gear for Dungeons.
Action RPG combat.
Underwater combat.
Traits, boost your skills or gain passive abillities to make a unique build.
Mix spells to create a combination that makes them stronger. Static field and Whirlwind would create a static field around the whirling Warrior and shock nearby enemies.
Crafting and gathering.
Minigames.
Arena PvP.
W v W v W (World versus world versus world) on a different map than Tyria.
Your own house (You and your friends can visit) that saves stuff from personal stories and achievements. Your house will evolve.
One problem GW2 has and can never overcome no matter how hard it tries is "Its a PVP Game" so right there its lossing a massive percent of the MMO market , a Pure PVP game is like running a marathon on one leg , be it there nothing like hunting down that scum that ganked your friend 10 time or sneaking up on the jerk camping player corpses.. they just don't have the mass apeal of a MMO that caters for both PVP & PVE
But on the other hand being the best PVP game will draw lots of players since there really isn't any decent pvp game around so we will just have to wait & see , X fingers is doesn't got the way of Darkfall..
Hahahaha. i've heard this before. No, GW2 is not a PvP game only. It has both PvP and PvE and i would guess they have more PvE content than PvP.
GW2 will have Dynamic Events, over 1500.
Personal story.
Dungeons.
Dungeons can branch out in 3 different ways and change the dungeon from the first time to the 5 time you visit it.
Unique looking gear for Dungeons.
Action RPG combat.
Underwater combat.
Traits, boost your skills or gain passive abillities to make a unique build.
Mix spells to create a combination that makes them stronger. Static field and Whirlwind would create a static field around the whirling Warrior and shock nearby enemies.
Crafting and gathering.
Minigames.
Arena PvP.
W v W v W (World versus world versus world) on a different map than Tyria.
Your own house (You and your friends can visit) that saves stuff from personal stories and achievements. Your house will evolve.
I may have forgotten something.
AMEN!
~The only opinion that matters is your own.Everything else is just advice,~
Reading through the replys here one would assume that GW plus it's expansions sold millions and millions of copies, something that i doubt. Do we know how many GW boxes are sold till now?
And all that hype about GW2 makes me scratch my head. What exactly is this great innovation GW2 is supposed to bring us and everyone is talking about? No opposing factions, no mounts, PvP taking place in instanced parts of the world and NOT in the actual world itself, portals and loading screens between the ,bigger than GW 1 yes, world areas. The dynamic events? Rift did this already. Personal yet 100% instanced story lines? TOR will have one for each class with the biggest part of them taking place in the open world. Achievements? No comment here. A big world to play in? I don't know how big GW's world is going to be but i don't see it rivalring TOR's initial 16 planets. The fantasy setting? Are you aware of how many people are sick and tired of it?
GW's best virtue compared to TOR is the absent of subscription. Playing an AAA MMO without a monthly fee is a strong motivation. How many copies will GW 2 sell? Breaching the 2 mill barrier will be an extraordinary achievement i believe. Now, is anyone here who actually thinks that TOR is not going to easily surpass this number?
One problem GW2 has and can never overcome no matter how hard it tries is "Its a PVP Game" so right there its lossing a massive percent of the MMO market , a Pure PVP game is like running a marathon on one leg , be it there nothing like hunting down that scum that ganked your friend 10 time or sneaking up on the jerk camping player corpses.. they just don't have the mass apeal of a MMO that caters for both PVP & PVE
But on the other hand being the best PVP game will draw lots of players since there really isn't any decent pvp game around so we will just have to wait & see , X fingers is doesn't got the way of Darkfall..
Reading through the replys here one would assume that GW plus it's expansions sold millions and millions of copies, something that i doubt. Do we know how many GW boxes are sold till now?
And all that hype about GW2 makes me scratch my head. What exactly is this great innovation GW2 is supposed to bring us and everyone is talking about? No opposing factions, no mounts, PvP taking place in instanced parts of the world and NOT in the actual world itself, portals and loading screens between the ,bigger than GW 1 yes, world areas. The dynamic events? Rift did this already. Personal yet 100% instanced story lines? TOR will have one for each class with the biggest part of them taking place in the open world. Achievements? No comment here. A big world to play in? I don't know how big GW's world is going to be but i don't see it rivalring TOR's initial 16 planets. The fantasy setting? Are you aware of how many people are sick and tired of it?
GW's best virtue compared to TOR is the absent of subscription. Playing an AAA MMO without a monthly fee is a strong motivation. How many copies will GW 2 sell? Breaching the 2 mill barrier will be an extraordinary achievement i believe. Now, is anyone here who actually thinks that TOR is not going to easily surpass this number?
GW sold 6 million + units including expansions.
Te GVG Arena PVP is happens in instances,the WvWvW pvp happens in a open zones called the myst,it's not an instance.
An instance is a place where only you and your group can enter. A zone is open to anyone at anytime and level.
WvWvW happens in the open world zone called the mysts,it's open world pvp not instanced.
Reading through the replys here one would assume that GW plus it's expansions sold millions and millions of copies, something that i doubt. Do we know how many GW boxes are sold till now?
And all that hype about GW2 makes me scratch my head. What exactly is this great innovation GW2 is supposed to bring us and everyone is talking about? No opposing factions, no mounts, PvP taking place in instanced parts of the world and NOT in the actual world itself, portals and loading screens between the ,bigger than GW 1 yes, world areas. The dynamic events? Rift did this already. Personal yet 100% instanced story lines? TOR will have one for each class with the biggest part of them taking place in the open world. Achievements? No comment here. A big world to play in? I don't know how big GW's world is going to be but i don't see it rivalring TOR's initial 16 planets. The fantasy setting? Are you aware of how many people are sick and tired of it?
This whole post is riddled with factual errors. Yes. We know how many GW boxes were sold until now. 2 minutes with Google (your best friend!) or Wikipedia would have answered your question, and not made the whole basic premise of your argument sound silly.
There's portals/loading screens between the areas in SW:ToR you know... they just happen to look like spaceships. :V
Also, saying 'Rifts already did dynamic events' is like saying 'SW:ToR story isn't anything special, I mean Everquest did this already'. Tell you what. I'm willing to do that as a hostage trade. I'll say GW2 dynamic events are the same as Rifts and nothing new, if you'll say SW:ToR story and voice acting are the same as say.. Champions Online and nothing new.
I may not be the biggest SW:ToR fanboy, but I can at least admit that it's doing things new through sheer virtue of volume. More story, more voice acting.... those can count as amazing new features simply because no other game has done it anywhere near that scale. Same thing with dynamic events and GW2.
Also, some of the personal story line for GW2 takes place in the open world... it's just all the permanent changes (Like an NPC dying) are instanced off. I'm honestly not sure exactly how SW:ToR is dealing with the 'So if you're affecting things with your choices in personal story, how does it display it to just you?' issue. I'm sure they're doing it some way too. Feel free to educate me on this particular aspect of SW:ToR storytelling!
So anyway, what does GW2 bring that people are interested in? More story choice and voice acting than any game that isn't called SW:ToR (Being #2 in those categories isn't exactly bad, especially when they have so much). Dynamic events (On a scale far beyond what you're thinking). WvW PVP that combines DAoC with RTS like elements. Instanced team based PvP that they're planning on making into an ESport. Individualized underwater skills. Branching dungeons (Also in SW:ToR, yes.). A different kind of combat and removal of the holy trinity (Your mileage may vary on whether or not this is a good thing). Great art. Great soundtrack. Other things too, but it's dinner time and I'm not going to spend my whole night writing down features.
Anyway, just because you're ignorant of what GW2 has to offer doesn't mean it doesn't have anything. I don't know everything about SW:ToR, but I'm not going to suggest that means it lacks things because I'm not aware of them.
Actually not the one i remembered, but it shows the same result. It's a breakdown on spendings on MMOs, and among other numbers it shows the makeup of subscription players vs. free-to-play, and the average spending of the paying players, which is $15.10 per month. At the going rate of monthly subscriptions, that indicates the majority of players does not subscribe to more then one MMO at a time.
Am I the only one who doesn't even PLAY more than one game at a time? Even if I buy a few at once, I can't get into more than one at a time. When I'm into an MMO, I don't play any others, including single-player games, until I burn out on the MMO.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
Actually not the one i remembered, but it shows the same result. It's a breakdown on spendings on MMOs, and among other numbers it shows the makeup of subscription players vs. free-to-play, and the average spending of the paying players, which is $15.10 per month. At the going rate of monthly subscriptions, that indicates the majority of players does not subscribe to more then one MMO at a time.
Am I the only one who doesn't even PLAY more than one game at a time? Even if I buy a few at once, I can't get into more than one at a time. When I'm into an MMO, I don't play any others, including single-player games, until I burn out on the MMO.
I don't even buy more than one at once. There is no way I could play two single player games at once, let alone two MMOs.
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I'm pretty sure that quite a number of MMO gamers are going to give Hellgate or AoC a try without unsubbing from their current MMO, at least I know a number of friends and MMO guildies that are doing it like that, and that's only a recent example. With LotrO and GW I saw the same.
When an MMO becomes F2P/B2P it basically gains the characteristics of a singleplayer game or multiplayer game, namely something that you can play whenever you like or feel up to it without having to sub to it or give up your current MMO.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Their not similar. Skyrim is a single player RPG, gw2 and swtor are mmo's. They offer similar experiences by both being mmo's hence they're in competition with each other. It's not rocket science. Call of Duty is not in direct competition with Skyrim either although they may compete with a person's time. They have some overlapping customers but that's it. A person interested mainly with mmo's will choose between gw2, swtor or both etc. They have the biggest amount of overlapping customers and hence are in direct competition with each other. The choice is there as not everyone interested in both games will in fact get both games.
I've been playing SWG, AOC and EVE on and off for a while, now that AOC is F2P I'll be playing all three regularly I'm sure.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
No. What he mean is that Swtor is an mmorpg among others and while GW2 will be a innovative mmorpg and not like others.
Sure Swtor will be a cool game but it won't be something "new and fun". There is 100 mmorpgs like Swtor and there is none like GW and GW2...sure some stuff in GW2 has been done before but not to the extent of what ArenaNet had done with GW2. They're pushing GW2 to become the best game you have played.
THIS is what i call fanboyism. I have nothing against it, but please everyone in this thread get your facts straight.
Casey had a point with his statement, it was not fanboyism.
Where did I say he was being a fanboy? I didn't, hard to believe I wrote two sentences and you miscomprehended even that. I'm just saying I really don't care about GW2 and like Bioware/Star Wars/Information given too much not to look forward to TOR. Sure, I hope it'll be a great game for those who are interested, but remember that just because something is innovative doesn't make it better off.
By the way can we cut down on throwing that dumb term (fanboy) around when it isn't even warranted? I mean, really, guys. Jeez.
One problem GW2 has and can never overcome no matter how hard it tries is "Its a PVP Game" so right there its lossing a massive percent of the MMO market , a Pure PVP game is like running a marathon on one leg , be it there nothing like hunting down that scum that ganked your friend 10 time or sneaking up on the jerk camping player corpses.. they just don't have the mass apeal of a MMO that caters for both PVP & PVE
But on the other hand being the best PVP game will draw lots of players since there really isn't any decent pvp game around so we will just have to wait & see , X fingers is doesn't got the way of Darkfall..
http://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/dynamic-events/dynamic-events-overview/
http://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/personal-stories/personal-story-overview/
http://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/dungeons/into-the-dungeons/
This is the info we have on PvE.
We have no articles on PvP yet.
Would you mind telling me how GW2 is purely a PvP game?
haven't seen any good mmo report since they lunched, casey was never funny and imo allways babbling random nonsense. who cares what he said now
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Seriously, who wants ANOTHER Fantasy mmo? I'm so sick of going between GW, EQ2, WoW. Bring on TOR!
You can't compare GW2 and SWTOR! We can only compare how much sales they gonna make, and we shall see which one is more popular.
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Doesn't it worry people that there has been a previous SCIFI MMO out and it bombed? And not just any SCIFI MMO but a Star Wars one? Just think you are back as a kid in the cinema watching your first Star Wars film ever. You remember the Euphoria, the instant die hard fan addiction? Star Wars Galaxies, based on that mass fandom, should have been the most successful MMORPG ever, ever released, ever. And it tanked when they messed with lore. That's a fear for TOR. "No way would that happen in lore, yah boo sucks to this bye."
That's a big problem with TOR. The dev's have a strict set of lore they can only tinker with. Put in Ewok Sith, just an example of a future decision not actually ingame as far as I know, and the whole game sinks like a super star destroyer into the surface of the second Death Star.
GW2 doesn't have that problem. It can do what it likes with lore. Hell, even make a race that looks uncannily like an Ewok dark lord of the Sith if they felt like it. They can get away with it since it's open ended lore development. TOR does have some flexibilty but must ultimately constrain itself to the Sith getting wiped out leading to Luke and Leia's time when there's only one master and one apprentice of the Sith left. So that's going to be a big psychological restraint in the players mind who wish to play Sith right from the start. GW2 has the advantage there.
TBF in the grand scheme of things swtor being sci fi really matters exceptionally little. It being sci fi won't make the game play any better than fantasy game and if it's simply a fantasy game with sci fi skin, the novelty wears off very quickly.
I did'nt mean you. I used your post as an example. That's why i wrote " Everyone in this thread get your facts straight."
Your post perfectly fit fanboyism.
Yep, Gameplay > Setting, for me anyway. As long as the games is fun. I will play.
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That one might fit "fanboyism", however my second post is more of what I believe (more balanced opinion, not really fanboyish) as I feel that people will have fun with GW2, it just isn't what I want. My opinion, yes, just as what that guy and what you posted is opinion. Nothing more, nothing less.
~The only opinion that matters is your own.Everything else is just advice,~
Hahahaha. i've heard this before. No, GW2 is not a PvP game only. It has both PvP and PvE and i would guess they have more PvE content than PvP.
GW2 will have Dynamic Events, over 1500.
Personal story.
Dungeons.
Dungeons can branch out in 3 different ways and change the dungeon from the first time to the 5 time you visit it.
Unique looking gear for Dungeons.
Action RPG combat.
Underwater combat.
Traits, boost your skills or gain passive abillities to make a unique build.
Mix spells to create a combination that makes them stronger. Static field and Whirlwind would create a static field around the whirling Warrior and shock nearby enemies.
Crafting and gathering.
Minigames.
Arena PvP.
W v W v W (World versus world versus world) on a different map than Tyria.
Your own house (You and your friends can visit) that saves stuff from personal stories and achievements. Your house will evolve.
I may have forgotten something.
AMEN!
~The only opinion that matters is your own.Everything else is just advice,~
Reading through the replys here one would assume that GW plus it's expansions sold millions and millions of copies, something that i doubt. Do we know how many GW boxes are sold till now?
And all that hype about GW2 makes me scratch my head. What exactly is this great innovation GW2 is supposed to bring us and everyone is talking about? No opposing factions, no mounts, PvP taking place in instanced parts of the world and NOT in the actual world itself, portals and loading screens between the ,bigger than GW 1 yes, world areas. The dynamic events? Rift did this already. Personal yet 100% instanced story lines? TOR will have one for each class with the biggest part of them taking place in the open world. Achievements? No comment here. A big world to play in? I don't know how big GW's world is going to be but i don't see it rivalring TOR's initial 16 planets. The fantasy setting? Are you aware of how many people are sick and tired of it?
GW's best virtue compared to TOR is the absent of subscription. Playing an AAA MMO without a monthly fee is a strong motivation. How many copies will GW 2 sell? Breaching the 2 mill barrier will be an extraordinary achievement i believe. Now, is anyone here who actually thinks that TOR is not going to easily surpass this number?
Really! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzEqJAg8460 lol...
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GW sold 6 million + units including expansions.
Te GVG Arena PVP is happens in instances,the WvWvW pvp happens in a open zones called the myst,it's not an instance.
An instance is a place where only you and your group can enter. A zone is open to anyone at anytime and level.
WvWvW happens in the open world zone called the mysts,it's open world pvp not instanced.
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This whole post is riddled with factual errors.
Yes. We know how many GW boxes were sold until now. 2 minutes with Google (your best friend!) or Wikipedia would have answered your question, and not made the whole basic premise of your argument sound silly.
There's portals/loading screens between the areas in SW:ToR you know... they just happen to look like spaceships. :V
Also, saying 'Rifts already did dynamic events' is like saying 'SW:ToR story isn't anything special, I mean Everquest did this already'. Tell you what. I'm willing to do that as a hostage trade. I'll say GW2 dynamic events are the same as Rifts and nothing new, if you'll say SW:ToR story and voice acting are the same as say.. Champions Online and nothing new.
I may not be the biggest SW:ToR fanboy, but I can at least admit that it's doing things new through sheer virtue of volume. More story, more voice acting.... those can count as amazing new features simply because no other game has done it anywhere near that scale. Same thing with dynamic events and GW2.
Also, some of the personal story line for GW2 takes place in the open world... it's just all the permanent changes (Like an NPC dying) are instanced off. I'm honestly not sure exactly how SW:ToR is dealing with the 'So if you're affecting things with your choices in personal story, how does it display it to just you?' issue. I'm sure they're doing it some way too. Feel free to educate me on this particular aspect of SW:ToR storytelling!
So anyway, what does GW2 bring that people are interested in? More story choice and voice acting than any game that isn't called SW:ToR (Being #2 in those categories isn't exactly bad, especially when they have so much). Dynamic events (On a scale far beyond what you're thinking). WvW PVP that combines DAoC with RTS like elements. Instanced team based PvP that they're planning on making into an ESport. Individualized underwater skills. Branching dungeons (Also in SW:ToR, yes.). A different kind of combat and removal of the holy trinity (Your mileage may vary on whether or not this is a good thing). Great art. Great soundtrack. Other things too, but it's dinner time and I'm not going to spend my whole night writing down features.
Anyway, just because you're ignorant of what GW2 has to offer doesn't mean it doesn't have anything. I don't know everything about SW:ToR, but I'm not going to suggest that means it lacks things because I'm not aware of them.
Am I the only one who doesn't even PLAY more than one game at a time? Even if I buy a few at once, I can't get into more than one at a time. When I'm into an MMO, I don't play any others, including single-player games, until I burn out on the MMO.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
I don't even buy more than one at once. There is no way I could play two single player games at once, let alone two MMOs.