God yes GW1 sucked. And people use GW1 as the example of how arenanet makes great games, yet Bioware, who have made numerous GOTY games, gets this "They can't make an MMO, they only have made singe player games" which is a lie. Heck GW1 was basically a single player load fest.
Oh so then if I say DA2 sucks and that proves TOR will suck and that Bioware is becoming a failed company, you would accept that as true. After all you TOR fans want everyone to take your opinion of ANet as fact, well then you need to take this as fact too. Or are you a hypocrite that is just defending his love child of a game?
Bioware has Numerous GOTY games with millions of box sales, Arenanet has made 1 game with expansions. I will take Bioware's track record any day over arenanet.
By all means, DO THAT. No, seriously, TAKE IT.
You'll note that no-one here is claiming that Bioware sucks. It's only the lashing out of SW:TOR fans who have to fill this thread with negative (and spurious, and disingenuous) comments about their assumed competitor. It's only SW:TOR fans who are treating this as a zero-sum game.
Really, have ypi been to the SWTOR forum on here? Have you seen the outright lies that the trolls put on their while praising the almighty GW2?
ArenaNet is nothing but a division within NCSoft... and look at all the amazing games they produce!
And Bioware is just a division of EA and they have made some really bad games too! So what is your point, besides the fact that you are in love with Bioware and you want to have their babies?
God yes GW1 sucked. And people use GW1 as the example of how arenanet makes great games, yet Bioware, who have made numerous GOTY games, gets this "They can't make an MMO, they only have made singe player games" which is a lie. Heck GW1 was basically a single player load fest.
Oh so then if I say DA2 sucks and that proves TOR will suck and that Bioware is becoming a failed company, you would accept that as true. After all you TOR fans want everyone to take your opinion of ANet as fact, well then you need to take this as fact too. Or are you a hypocrite that is just defending his love child of a game?
Bioware has Numerous GOTY games with millions of box sales, Arenanet has made 1 game with expansions. I will take Bioware's track record any day over arenanet.
By all means, DO THAT. No, seriously, TAKE IT.
You'll note that no-one here is claiming that Bioware sucks. It's only the lashing out of SW:TOR fans who have to fill this thread with negative (and spurious, and disingenuous) comments about their assumed competitor. It's only SW:TOR fans who are treating this as a zero-sum game.
Really, have ypi been to the SWTOR forum on here? Have you seen the outright lies that the trolls put on their while praising the almighty GW2?
And then you have to be the almighty defender and basically retaliate?
Really, have ypi been to the SWTOR forum on here? Have you seen the outright lies that the trolls put on their while praising the almighty GW2?
So the correct answer is to stoop to the level of your lowest competitor?
Do the same thing I do when reading crazy posts against GW2 from SW:ToR people! Pretend that they recently suffered a very tragic death in the family and the emotional upset and loss has caused them to temporarily lose their senses.
God yes GW1 sucked. And people use GW1 as the example of how arenanet makes great games, yet Bioware, who have made numerous GOTY games, gets this "They can't make an MMO, they only have made singe player games" which is a lie. Heck GW1 was basically a single player load fest.
Oh so then if I say DA2 sucks and that proves TOR will suck and that Bioware is becoming a failed company, you would accept that as true. After all you TOR fans want everyone to take your opinion of ANet as fact, well then you need to take this as fact too. Or are you a hypocrite that is just defending his love child of a game?
Bioware has Numerous GOTY games with millions of box sales, Arenanet has made 1 game with expansions. I will take Bioware's track record any day over arenanet.
By all means, DO THAT. No, seriously, TAKE IT.
You'll note that no-one here is claiming that Bioware sucks. It's only the lashing out of SW:TOR fans who have to fill this thread with negative (and spurious, and disingenuous) comments about their assumed competitor. It's only SW:TOR fans who are treating this as a zero-sum game.
Really, have ypi been to the SWTOR forum on here? Have you seen the outright lies that the trolls put on their while praising the almighty GW2?
God yes GW1 sucked. And people use GW1 as the example of how arenanet makes great games, yet Bioware, who have made numerous GOTY games, gets this "They can't make an MMO, they only have made singe player games" which is a lie. Heck GW1 was basically a single player load fest.
Oh so then if I say DA2 sucks and that proves TOR will suck and that Bioware is becoming a failed company, you would accept that as true. After all you TOR fans want everyone to take your opinion of ANet as fact, well then you need to take this as fact too. Or are you a hypocrite that is just defending his love child of a game?
Bioware has Numerous GOTY games with millions of box sales, Arenanet has made 1 game with expansions. I will take Bioware's track record any day over arenanet.
Hey, if any of those GOTYs include a CO-RPG that can be considered an MMO then let me know.
Guess you never heard of Baulders Gate or Neverwinter Nights.
God yes GW1 sucked. And people use GW1 as the example of how arenanet makes great games, yet Bioware, who have made numerous GOTY games, gets this "They can't make an MMO, they only have made singe player games" which is a lie. Heck GW1 was basically a single player load fest.
Oh so then if I say DA2 sucks and that proves TOR will suck and that Bioware is becoming a failed company, you would accept that as true. After all you TOR fans want everyone to take your opinion of ANet as fact, well then you need to take this as fact too. Or are you a hypocrite that is just defending his love child of a game?
Bioware has Numerous GOTY games with millions of box sales, Arenanet has made 1 game with expansions. I will take Bioware's track record any day over arenanet.
Hey, if any of those GOTYs include a CO-RPG that can be considered an MMO then let me know.
Guess you never heard of Baulders Gate or Neverwinter Nights.
Unfortunately I do not see NWN on the MMORPG.com game list.
God yes GW1 sucked. And people use GW1 as the example of how arenanet makes great games, yet Bioware, who have made numerous GOTY games, gets this "They can't make an MMO, they only have made singe player games" which is a lie. Heck GW1 was basically a single player load fest.
Oh so then if I say DA2 sucks and that proves TOR will suck and that Bioware is becoming a failed company, you would accept that as true. After all you TOR fans want everyone to take your opinion of ANet as fact, well then you need to take this as fact too. Or are you a hypocrite that is just defending his love child of a game?
Bioware has Numerous GOTY games with millions of box sales, Arenanet has made 1 game with expansions. I will take Bioware's track record any day over arenanet.
Hey, if any of those GOTYs include a CO-RPG that can be considered an MMO then let me know.
Guess you never heard of Baulders Gate or Neverwinter Nights.
Unfortunately I do not see NWN on the MMORPG.com game list.
You'll note that no-one here is claiming that Bioware sucks. It's only the lashing out of SW:TOR fans who have to fill this thread with negative (and spurious, and disingenuous) comments about their assumed competitor. It's only SW:TOR fans who are treating this as a zero-sum game.
Right, most of the SWTOR guys I know of are looking forward to both games, how many times do you see a GW2 fan try and belittle TOR in their "GW2 is going to be the bestest thing ever" posts?
How many TOR fans tear down GW2 in the TOR forums? How many TOR fans do you see roaming the GW2 forum, aside from those who are actually interested in both games? How many do you see starting these GW2 will pwn SWTOR threads about TOR?
The only thing the average TOR fan get's up in arms about is misinformation and doom saying. Which there has been an abundance of. Other than that, the constant whining for a SWG2.
Most will be the first to tell you maybe TOR just isn't what you're looking for. They're not the ones out trying to push their Idea of a good game on everyone else.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Hey, if any of those GOTYs include a CO-RPG that can be considered an MMO then let me know.
Hmm. Personally I'd consider NWN an MORPG/CORPG in its tooling set capacity and usage, maybe the only player-run MMO game that exists
Originally posted by Meowhead
Originally posted by MMO.Maverick
True, every broken clock can be right twice a day, just like any madman can say some words that sound right once in a while.
I don't make it a habit to daily listen to madmen for advice or wisdom though, and I'm even pretty cautious regarding people who do have that habit.
It really hurts my feelings to realize that even though you're reading our posts, you're not actually listening to any of us.
I'm listening, I'm only not regarding it all as advice or wisdom. Besides the fact that I didn't consider you a madman, but if you feel inclined, just tell me where I should send the men in white to, consider them a delivery service from me, they'll have a nice jacket for you with long sleeves, no thanks needed, it's a gift
(and nice one on the sneaky associative link btw, took me a 2nd time of reading it before I saw it )
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
God yes GW1 sucked. And people use GW1 as the example of how arenanet makes great games, yet Bioware, who have made numerous GOTY games, gets this "They can't make an MMO, they only have made singe player games" which is a lie. Heck GW1 was basically a single player load fest.
Oh so then if I say DA2 sucks and that proves TOR will suck and that Bioware is becoming a failed company, you would accept that as true. After all you TOR fans want everyone to take your opinion of ANet as fact, well then you need to take this as fact too. Or are you a hypocrite that is just defending his love child of a game?
Bioware has Numerous GOTY games with millions of box sales, Arenanet has made 1 game with expansions. I will take Bioware's track record any day over arenanet.
Hey, if any of those GOTYs include a CO-RPG that can be considered an MMO then let me know.
Guess you never heard of Baulders Gate or Neverwinter Nights.
Unfortunately I do not see NWN on the MMORPG.com game list.
You said Co-Rpg...
No, but if he keeps changing the rules often enough, he may be able to win the argument!
Thats honestly all I see when watching guild wars 2 gameplay, It loook just like any old school mmo but with less abilities and a dodge button.
lets see...Dodging, positioning, teamwork. Without these things, a group of players get wiped on the easy version of a dungeon. in SWTOR, the trinity still reigns supreme.
btw Engineer >> bounty hunter.
I used to TL;DR, but then I took a bullet point to the footnote.
Hey, if any of those GOTYs include a CO-RPG that can be considered an MMO then let me know.
Guess you never heard of Baulders Gate or Neverwinter Nights.
Baulder’s gate and Neverwinter Nights are a CO-RPG that can be considered an MMO, really? That is news to me, the closes one would be Neverwinter but Baulder’s gate doesn’t come even close.
Originally posted by Snaylor47
1,2,5,Dodge,1,3,5, Dodge, Dodge, 1,5,6
Thats honestly all I see when watching guild wars 2 gameplay, It loook just like any old school mmo but with less abilities and a dodge button.
And all I see in TOR is idiots going I heal I heal I heal, so what is your point. That you do not like GW2 and you need to go out of your way to bash it, so your game of choice looks better. Well good job, your heal bot looks awesome now.
Casey Schreiner from G4 (The MMO Report): "I think that Guild Wars2 is going to be the next big MMO. I think it's gonna beat SWTOR. I think it's gonna be a better game than SWToR... I think with SWToR you're gonna see a lot of people sign up initially,, they're gonna find out that it's a well made game in SW universe that doesn't offer a lot of innovation, and when they see what GW is doing they're gonna be shocked."
How many TOR fans tear down GW2 in the TOR forums? How many TOR fans do you see roaming the GW2 forum, aside from thsoe who are interested in both games? How many do you see starting these GW2 will pwn SWTOR threads about TOR?
The only thing the average TOR fan get's up in arms about is misinformation and doom saying. Which there has been an abundance of. Other than that, the constant whining for a SWG2.
Most will be the first to tell you maybe TOR just isn't what you're looking for. They're not the ones out trying to push their Idea of a good game on everyone else.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Thats honestly all I see when watching guild wars 2 gameplay, It loook just like any old school mmo but with less abilities and a dodge button.
And you wouldn't be wrong but is it fun though? Isn't that the REAL question?
yes, but I think the real question is this. Is it fun to realize your group wiped because you got feared off of a cliff, something that wouldn't have happened if you just learned to either avoid cliffs or stun the necromancers lots? I think it is fun to have to use actual strategy to win a battle. The action combat just makes it more fun than it already is...dodge...1...0
I used to TL;DR, but then I took a bullet point to the footnote.
Thats honestly all I see when watching guild wars 2 gameplay, It loook just like any old school mmo but with less abilities and a dodge button.
lets see...Dodging, positioning, teamwork. Without these things, a group of players get wiped on the easy version of a dungeon. in SWTOR, the trinity still reigns supreme.
btw Engineer >> bounty hunter.
lol Don't even get me started on the Engineer... seriously, what the hell is that class even doing in this game? I honestly thought it was a continuation of their April Fools joke... Sadly, I was wrong.
Really, have ypi been to the SWTOR forum on here? Have you seen the outright lies that the trolls put on their while praising the almighty GW2?
So the correct answer is to stoop to the level of your lowest competitor?
Do the same thing I do when reading crazy posts against GW2 from SW:ToR people! Pretend that they recently suffered a very tragic death in the family and the emotional upset and loss has caused them to temporarily lose their senses.
Heh a voice of reason. Look, I have criticism of SWTOR as well, they probably should have waited on the space portion for example, playable alien races etc.. But you mention one criticism about GW2 and people have a cow.
Thats honestly all I see when watching guild wars 2 gameplay, It loook just like any old school mmo but with less abilities and a dodge button.
lets see...Dodging, positioning, teamwork. Without these things, a group of players get wiped on the easy version of a dungeon. in SWTOR, the trinity still reigns supreme.
btw Engineer >> bounty hunter.
lol Don't even get me started on the Engineer... seriously, what the hell is that class even doing in this game? I honestly thought it was a continuation of their April Fools joke... Sadly, I was wrong.
I kinda felt the same at first. Now I love it.
I used to TL;DR, but then I took a bullet point to the footnote.
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Really, have ypi been to the SWTOR forum on here? Have you seen the outright lies that the trolls put on their while praising the almighty GW2?
In Bioware we trust!
And Bioware is just a division of EA and they have made some really bad games too! So what is your point, besides the fact that you are in love with Bioware and you want to have their babies?
And then you have to be the almighty defender and basically retaliate?
This is not a game.
So the correct answer is to stoop to the level of your lowest competitor?
Do the same thing I do when reading crazy posts against GW2 from SW:ToR people! Pretend that they recently suffered a very tragic death in the family and the emotional upset and loss has caused them to temporarily lose their senses.
And TOR fans don't do that in the GW2 forum?
Guess you never heard of Baulders Gate or Neverwinter Nights.
In Bioware we trust!
1,2,5,Dodge,1,3,5, Dodge, Dodge, 1,5,6
Thats honestly all I see when watching guild wars 2 gameplay, It loook just like any old school mmo but with less abilities and a dodge button.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
I see the same thing with TOR, just without the dodge.
And you wouldn't be wrong but is it fun though? Isn't that the REAL question?
This is not a game.
Unfortunately I do not see NWN on the MMORPG.com game list.
This is not a game.
You said Co-Rpg...
In Bioware we trust!
Right, most of the SWTOR guys I know of are looking forward to both games, how many times do you see a GW2 fan try and belittle TOR in their "GW2 is going to be the bestest thing ever" posts?
How many TOR fans tear down GW2 in the TOR forums? How many TOR fans do you see roaming the GW2 forum, aside from those who are actually interested in both games? How many do you see starting these GW2 will pwn SWTOR threads about TOR?
The only thing the average TOR fan get's up in arms about is misinformation and doom saying. Which there has been an abundance of. Other than that, the constant whining for a SWG2.
Most will be the first to tell you maybe TOR just isn't what you're looking for. They're not the ones out trying to push their Idea of a good game on everyone else.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Hmm. Personally I'd consider NWN an MORPG/CORPG in its tooling set capacity and usage, maybe the only player-run MMO game that exists
I'm listening, I'm only not regarding it all as advice or wisdom. Besides the fact that I didn't consider you a madman, but if you feel inclined, just tell me where I should send the men in white to, consider them a delivery service from me, they'll have a nice jacket for you with long sleeves, no thanks needed, it's a gift
(and nice one on the sneaky associative link btw, took me a 2nd time of reading it before I saw it
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The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
No, but if he keeps changing the rules often enough, he may be able to win the argument!
lets see...Dodging, positioning, teamwork. Without these things, a group of players get wiped on the easy version of a dungeon. in SWTOR, the trinity still reigns supreme.
btw Engineer >> bounty hunter.
I used to TL;DR, but then I took a bullet point to the footnote.
Baulder’s gate and Neverwinter Nights are a CO-RPG that can be considered an MMO, really? That is news to me, the closes one would be Neverwinter but Baulder’s gate doesn’t come even close.
And all I see in TOR is idiots going I heal I heal I heal, so what is your point. That you do not like GW2 and you need to go out of your way to bash it, so your game of choice looks better. Well good job, your heal bot looks awesome now.
Hahahahahaha! That's a really funny impression of someone completely out of touch with reality.
You ignored my other criteria though! But nevermind!
This is not a game.
Seconded
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
yes, but I think the real question is this. Is it fun to realize your group wiped because you got feared off of a cliff, something that wouldn't have happened if you just learned to either avoid cliffs or stun the necromancers lots? I think it is fun to have to use actual strategy to win a battle. The action combat just makes it more fun than it already is...dodge...1...0
I used to TL;DR, but then I took a bullet point to the footnote.
lol Don't even get me started on the Engineer... seriously, what the hell is that class even doing in this game? I honestly thought it was a continuation of their April Fools joke... Sadly, I was wrong.
Did you not see the part in yellow? Anyway off-topic discussion, is off-topic.
This is not a game.
Heh a voice of reason. Look, I have criticism of SWTOR as well, they probably should have waited on the space portion for example, playable alien races etc.. But you mention one criticism about GW2 and people have a cow.
In Bioware we trust!
I kinda felt the same at first. Now I love it.
I used to TL;DR, but then I took a bullet point to the footnote.
He's trying to imply that GW1 can be "considered an MMO". lol Even ArenaNet isn't daft enough to try that.