guy finds out mortal online population which btw is around 5000+ subs

ange10

guy finds out mortal online population which btw is around 5000+ subs not including people who payed for more then 1 month at once and also purchuses are included.

you can find out how he found out by clicking this link http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/65407-big-spike-subs.html

 

so mortal online has at least 5000 subs :O ....i was starting to think nave was getting a little 2 crowded.

 

I am one of those 5000 subs

BTrayaL

Yeah, right

Draemos

you added an extra 0

Slapshot1188

If you actually READ that thread you would see that the OP realized his mistake...

 

Yes, this is what I am suggesting. I think I've figured it out. The increase from 2577 subs in May to 3190 subs in June is 'Dawn.' The increase to 5560 subs in July is a result of the extra charging debacle!!! This would mean there really isn't a big spike in subscriptions.

http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/65407-big-spike-subs.html#post1190296

 

You do remember when everyone was DOUBLE and TRIPLE charged don't you?  Well each one of those was a transaction...

You know all those fake trial accounts everyone makes to use the newbie flagged characters to abuse game mechanice (like invulnerable transport and extra banking)? 

ange10

Originally posted by Slapshot1188

If you actually READ that thread you would see that the OP realized his mistake...

 

Yes, this is what I am suggesting. I think I've figured it out. The increase from 2577 subs in May to 3190 subs in June is 'Dawn.' The increase to 5560 subs in July is a result of the extra charging debacle!!! This would mean there really isn't a big spike in subscriptions.

http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/65407-big-spike-subs.html#post1190296

 

You do remember when everyone was DOUBLE and TRIPLE charged don't you?  Well each one of those was a transaction...

You know all those fake trial accounts everyone makes to use the newbie flagged characters to abuse game mechanice (like invulnerable transport and extra banking)? 

 

 you don't need to buy the game to use a trial account

also july had 3190 subs.

 also the double charge wasn't in july or augest., the biggest increase was in augest, just after dawn and a server war kicking off.

 

lasty the screw up happened at the start of june.

http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/62388-subscription-screw-ups.html

 

I love how you cap lock READ, and your the one who mistaken. and just to add 2 days after the guy pays mo time, 3rd of june, the screw up eariliest post was 1st of june,

1st June 2011, 05:14	#1 (permalink)
Seth Timroth Newbie   Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: USA Age: 36 Posts: 45 Rep Power: 2	Subscription Screw ups Two of my friends have had their accounts changed or charged differently then they agreed too. The first one has three accounts and two of his accounts were charged twice for a one month billing. that's four charges for two accounts. He has unsubscribed until it can be resolved. My other friend had his account info changed to a six month charge from a one month charge. He caught his early and changed it back. but he is watching it closely. My account hasn't come due yet and I haven't check it as of yet. I will be checking it myself. I tell you guys this for two reasons. With all the turbulence surrounding Star Vault they either need to fix this or work it out. Cause it looks bad. Two for everyone to check their accounts. Yes I was told that everyone should be doing this already and that its their responsibility but having it brought to their attention is still helpful. Especially since it involves money. I was informing people on irc channel and was told promptly to stop the inquire. Leaving that as it may. This is in no means a negative comment. Just a FYI to everyone involved to check this out. I love this game, and these road bumps aren't helping all parties involved. Do with this as you will. Take for face value or shoot it down.

 

and at 3rd of june the amount of subs was 3-Jun  2577   then dawn released and we saw a increase in population count.

so not are you wrong about trial accounts, population numbers, and what month the screw ups happened, i have even supplied evidence from the first account of double charge being the 1st of june and the population number at the 3rd of june being 2577 and actually mo having less subs then the previous month which means that only a minority was double or triple charged during a 3-4 day period where the devs changed the transaction process and it bugged out.

we then see 1000 more subs at dawn, and and it has increased from the 3rd of augest to minimium of 5560 subs for those who either bought the game or renewed that month, but the population may be even bigger by a small amount since some people renew every few months instead of each month to save money.

 

so heres the numbers

3-Nov ….. 110236

3-Dec ….. 113648 ….. 3412

3-Jan ….. 117161 ….. 3513

3-Feb ….. 120418 ….. 3257

3-Mar ….. 123272 ….. 2854 (devs start work on dawn)

3-Apr ….. 126131 ….. 2859 (population starts dropping due to no content)

3-May ….. 128771 ….. 2640 (population starts to wait for dawn)

3-Jun ….. 131348 ….. 2577 (1st of june fuck up as you can see by 3rd of june, sub count had dropped ,not actually increased)

3-Jul ….. 134538 ….. 3190 (around 20th of july server war kicks of, dawn released on the 9th of june so numbers increased)

3-Aug ….. 140098 ….. 5560 (server war getting really warmed up)

osmunda

 

Lyllyth Senior Member     Join Date: May 2008 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Age: 35 Posts: 2,092 Rep Power: 4

Also, keep in mind that not everyone pays 1 month at a time, I buy in 3 month chunks... So, my affecting increment to the bill number only happens once every 3 months. *Edit* Also, due the mistake in billing, I am credited a total of 6 months, so my increment to that number will not go into effect for quite some time. __________________ Characters: Lyllyth - Slag Hauler / Nattasha - Butcher / Alanna - Fighter Currently Playing: MO, FO:NV, M&B:WB, M&B:WF&S My Creations: Mortal Emulator

Was going to note this, but someone already made the post in the original thread. Some subs only get counted once every 3 or 6 months, so the numbers are guaranteed to be an underestimate.

 

As to the increase in August, double charges is a possible explanation (although the timing doesn;t really fit, as previously noted)  It's also possible that it is a delayed increase from dawn (people not starting subscriptions until the end of the free trial, waiting to try the expansion until a couple weeks after release )

osmunda

Just a note from prior population discussions:

2088 estimated perpetuum population X 1.88 =3,939 estimated MO population

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4236198#4236198

from this discussion:

3-May ….. 128771 ….. 2640

Xfire may be a crude yard stick, but it gets a rough ball park figure, certainly closer than some peoples methodology of proposing random numbers 

" A small fragment of that minority - we're talking ~100 players at best - are still playing."  http://www.mpog.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3964947#3964947

Moreplex

Really??  We are going to try and count transaction numbers as subs??  Really????  How about you just ask Henrik to tell you what it is??  He can not even tell his investers in the Quarterly what the sub numbers are.  He gives them forum numbers. lol.  If you are not ashamed of your numbers you would post them freely.  Everday I log into EVE I know how many people are playing.  Hell every system I go in I know how many people are in the system. 

 

If all of a sudden in 1 months time 3000 more people started playing you would not have vets talking about the pop not really changing do I need to link those?

 

Also Angel I did not know you were involved in SV's transaction system.  How do you know they do not count a trial as a transaction?   It is perfectly logical to count a free trial as a transaction.  Every business I know of including ones I have run count a free item as a transaction.  Every time I go to the grocery or anything else and they are giving something away they scan it as well and that is counted as a transaction.  A free one but still a transaction.   I really doubt with Henrick's business etiqutte.  He has 2 seperate systems to count transactions.  A free transaction and a paid transaction system.

 

Also forum activity has really not changed.  If 3000 more people joined the game you would have atleast another 1000 people in the mforums on a daily basis asking questions.  You see the same people in the same threads with a new one here and there. 

osmunda

Originally posted by Moreplex

Really??  We are going to try and count transaction numbers as subs??  Really????  How about you just ask Henrik to tell you what it is??  He can not even tell his investers in the Quarterly what the sub numbers are.  He gives them forum numbers. lol.  If you are not ashamed of your numbers you would post them freely.  Everday I log into EVE I know how many people are playing.  Hell every system I go in I know how many people are in the system.     I'm sure even with  ~5000 subscriber's, Henrick (and the investors) would like there to be a lot more

If all of a sudden in 1 months time 3000 more people started playing you would not have vets talking about the pop not really changing do I need to link those?

Also Angel I did not know you were involved in SV's transaction system.  How do you know they do not count a trial as a transaction? 

Checking my account, each credit card charge has a transaction number attached to it. Free trial =no credit card transaction.

Also forum activity has really not changed.  If 3000 more people joined the game you would have atleast another 1000 people in the mforums on a daily basis asking questions.  You see the same people in the same threads with a new one here and there.  

Perhaps a large number of them are reactivated subscriptions (e.g. not new forum members)

DrunkWolf

i cant believe people bought this game, i watched the mounted combat on youtube and started laughing.

Moreplex

Originally posted by osmunda

Originally posted by Moreplex

Really??  We are going to try and count transaction numbers as subs??  Really????  How about you just ask Henrik to tell you what it is??  He can not even tell his investers in the Quarterly what the sub numbers are.  He gives them forum numbers. lol.  If you are not ashamed of your numbers you would post them freely.  Everday I log into EVE I know how many people are playing.  Hell every system I go in I know how many people are in the system.     I'm sure even with  ~5000 subscriber's, Henrick (and the investors) would like there to be a lot more

If all of a sudden in 1 months time 3000 more people started playing you would not have vets talking about the pop not really changing do I need to link those?

Also Angel I did not know you were involved in SV's transaction system.  How do you know they do not count a trial as a transaction? 

Checking my account, each credit card charge has a transaction number attached to it. Free trial =no credit card transaction.

Also forum activity has really not changed.  If 3000 more people joined the game you would have atleast another 1000 people in the mforums on a daily basis asking questions.  You see the same people in the same threads with a new one here and there.  

Perhaps a large number of them are reactivated subscriptions (e.g. not new forum members)

Jesus.....   Just because you do not see the free trial counted as a transaction.  Since yes you do not get a reciept does not mean thier system does not count it as a transaction. 

 

So most of the 3000 people that rejoined are vets now??  Seems like the vets that have been playing are not seeing this huge increase in numbers.. 

jackthestripper Member   Join Date: Feb 2010 Rep Power: 2	i went to Mohki yesterday and saw 3 people, went to Bakti saw 1 person, went to Vadda saw 2 people.....never quite seen it so dead myself.

 

 

1st August 2011, 02:37	#68 (permalink)
NakieoN Banned   Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Offices of the MO Community Movement Rep Power: 0	Quote: Originally Posted by Asmo19  This. I came back to this game ONLY to play with friends and a lot of us are considering quitting. Now there's literally no one online in-game ever.. Only one fight to be had today after fucking 8 hours of roaming the world. GG. Same... I kept running back and forth between cave camp and kranesh today because I wanted to find someone to fight... 0 people. I did see a ... Terx or something at cave camp but he was probably a miner/noob, running around with a torch and rags. Also if Gigamo's statement is true, I guess I won't be resubbing either... next cycle is Aug 6th for me

 

 

1st August 2011, 02:29	#67 (permalink)
Asmo19 Member     Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Atlanta Rep Power: 3	Quote: Originally Posted by Gigamo  I definitely don't think many of us are planning to resub on the next cycle. This. I came back to this game ONLY to play with friends and a lot of us are considering quitting. Now there's literally no one online in-game ever.. Only one fight to be had today after fucking 8 hours of roaming the world. GG. __________________ "Best Thunderlasher of 2010" "PK TAK GLD" Come Join Us in #OffTopic ! Best Non-Moderated Channel

 

HerculesSAS

If you think there are 5000 subscribers or anywhere near it, I have a bridge to sell you

Moreplex

Like I have said if you want to know the real numbers and not voodoo transaction or xfire numbers to be counted as a real sub start a thread in the official forums and ask Henrick to give the real numbers. 

ange10

Originally posted by Moreplex

Like I have said if you want to know the real numbers and not voodoo transaction or xfire numbers to be counted as a real sub start a thread in the official forums and ask Henrick to give the real numbers. 

you should play the game, you might actually find out how well populated the world is, 2 populated at the moment >.<

as it stands this is the best evidence and with the server war going on and the decreases and increases fitting with events in the game, i think its easy to say that MO has 5000+ subs

our mumble usually has 20-30 people in it 24-7 and we are like 5 guilds. if what you guys said was true, we would make up nearly 1/3 of the games population

Moreplex

Actually I am playing and it is the same it was last time I played.  5000 subs is what I would think it is at release.  And it does not look like release.  But like I said start a thread on the official forums and ask henrik for the number.  That is if you are not banned from the forums.  :P

 

And like I said before if all of a sudden 3000 more pleople started there would be more forum activity.  As of now it is the same 80-175 currently active users online.   Remember the first 3 months of MO it was 300-500. 

 

Currently Active Users: 149 (65 members and 84 guests)  

Moreplex

Originally posted by ange10

Originally posted by Moreplex

Like I have said if you want to know the real numbers and not voodoo transaction or xfire numbers to be counted as a real sub start a thread in the official forums and ask Henrick to give the real numbers. 

you should play the game, you might actually find out how well populated the world is, 2 populated at the moment >.<

as it stands this is the best evidence and with the server war going on and the decreases and increases fitting with events in the game, i think its easy to say that MO has 5000+ subs

our mumble usually has 20-30 people in it 24-7 and we are like 5 guilds. if what you guys said was true, we would make up nearly 1/3 of the games population

5 guilds with 20-30 people in mumble wow big numbers.  I remember when a guild had 30-40 people in it not a whole alliance..  

ange10

Originally posted by Moreplex

Actually I am playing and it is the same it was last time I played.  5000 subs is what I would think it is at release.  And it does not look like release.  But like I said start a thread on the official forums and ask henrik for the number.  That is if you are not banned from the forums.  :P

there are way more people then there are currently at release, i was in jungle and kept bumping into people who are mining the rocks down there, i go to meduli, its always jam packed with people (2 many people) at release you see a good healthy population in town. and near tonws, i see people everywhere, no matter really where i go, its actually really annoying some times.

i think release day was the day that the most amount of people was logged on at one time and in towns since it just "released" bu if you think about the population levels 1 month later, its always been the same and then dropped and then after dawn it just exploded, maybe all the darkfall players are coming to mo because of the news around it :O

Moreplex

Exactly like any other business in the world does....

 

Tenchuu Member     Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Austria Age: 25 Rep Power: 3

You sure we are talking about subs here and not accounts? I'm pretty sure that trial accounts count there too. __________________ Diplomat of the Elysium Guild When the Greater Kimuru goes to sleep every night, he

Moreplex

Originally posted by ange10

Originally posted by Moreplex

Actually I am playing and it is the same it was last time I played.  5000 subs is what I would think it is at release.  And it does not look like release.  But like I said start a thread on the official forums and ask henrik for the number.  That is if you are not banned from the forums.  :P

there are way more people then there are currently at release, i was in jungle and kept bumping into people who are mining the rocks down there, i go to meduli, its always jam packed with people (2 many people) at release you see a good healthy population in town. and near tonws, i see people everywhere, no matter really where i go, its actually really annoying some times.

i think release day was the day that the most amount of people was logged on at one time and in towns since it just "released" bu if you think about the population levels 1 month later, its always been the same and then dropped and then after dawn it just exploded, maybe all the darkfall players are coming to mo because of the news around it :O

So now you are trying to say that there are more people playing now then at release????? lolololol

 

Did you start the thread yet in the offical forums or are you banned?  Because SV has been ban happy lately..

ange10

Originally posted by Moreplex

Originally posted by ange10

Originally posted by Moreplex

Like I have said if you want to know the real numbers and not voodoo transaction or xfire numbers to be counted as a real sub start a thread in the official forums and ask Henrick to give the real numbers. 

you should play the game, you might actually find out how well populated the world is, 2 populated at the moment >.<

as it stands this is the best evidence and with the server war going on and the decreases and increases fitting with events in the game, i think its easy to say that MO has 5000+ subs

our mumble usually has 20-30 people in it 24-7 and we are like 5 guilds. if what you guys said was true, we would make up nearly 1/3 of the games population

5 guilds with 20-30 people in mumble wow big numbers.  I remember when a guild had 30-40 people in it not a whole alliance..  

if you actually READ, I said 20-30  24 7 also there are quite a new amount of guilds in MO.

 

anyway since you derailed the thread i will put it back on track.

 

Today, 02:16	#35 (permalink)
Raknar Member     Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: The mighty jungle Posts: 751 Rep Power: 1	Remind yourself that is not subscriptions but payments. Not everyone pays every month. I for example pay one account every 6 months and the other every 3 months. Actually in August I payed both so you'll see September numbers dropping on my side :P __________________ The life of Raknor in MO - Maluca's Armor shop Quote: Originally Posted by Mats Persson Regarding the lore of the stones, the priests are obviously members of a gay sect who worships penis-shaped stones, and eagerly resurrect any spirits passing by in the hope of recruiting them to their sect.

Today, 05:01	#36 (permalink)
MeduliMystery Junior Member   Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 225 Rep Power: 0	Quote: Originally Posted by Raknar Remind yourself that is not subscriptions but payments. Not everyone pays every month. I for example pay one account every 6 months and the other every 3 months. Actually in August I payed both so you'll see September numbers dropping on my side :P Good point. So the number really don't really give an exact number of active subscribers, but it does give a minimum number of active subscribers. Mortal Online has at least 5.5k active subs. We know some people have 6 month or 3 month subscriptions, so this does not take into account most of those people. A key to get a fairly accurate picture of current subscriber base would be to compare the percentage of people who order 6 or 3 month subscriptions with other MMO's to Mortal Online. __________________ I don't know why you reported your own [COLOR=#853516]thread[/COLOR] and called yourself an a**hole, but I want to ask you to not do it again as spamming the report function with such senseless stuff is confusing and only causing extra work for the moderators. Thanks Sanatos

 

Today, 14:47	#38 (permalink)
Tizio Senior Member     Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North Italy Age: 21 Posts: 2,424 Rep Power: 3	Quote: Originally Posted by Tenchuu You sure we are talking about subs here and not accounts? I'm pretty sure that trial accounts count there too. No, only payments. If you create a trial you don't have to do any payment. __________________ MortalItalia.com Italian Fansite! MortalPolitics.com

Moreplex

How did I derail the thread I am counterpointing your arguement that the population is bursting....    Can you please point out where I did not talk about the population at all.......

 

 

 

I will wait.

 

 

And I guess you can not read..  Just because SV does not give you a reicept for a free trial does not mean they do not count it in thier systems as a transaction....   And Citing Tizio saying it doesn't count as a transaction does not mean shit.. He does not work in the accounting department.  

 

 

Why not start thread on the official forums and ask henrik for the real numbers???  Is that hard or something?

HanoverZ

http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/65407-big-spike-subs.html#post1190296

From the original post on MO, the poster adds :

"The increase from 2577 subs in May to 3190 subs in June is 'Dawn.' The increase to 5560 subs in July is a result of the extra charging debacle!!!  

This would mean there really isn't a big spike in subscriptions."

 

 

This thread is intentionally misleading... MO best case is 3190 subs

Chilliesauce

What i don't get is why make such a big deal about sub numbers. Were players expecting it to have 300K+ subs? MO is a niche MMO and even if it manages to keep 50K subs it is good for them. There are MMOS with far worse population like Fallen Earth.

HanoverZ

Originally posted by Chilliesauce

What i don't get is why make such a big deal about sub numbers. Were players expecting it to have 300K+ subs? MO is a niche MMO and even if it manages to keep 50K subs it is good for them. There are MMOS with far worse population like Fallen Earth.

 

Because the game seems dead, not many poeple in the game world. More subs = more potential people online. 

There's a reason they have to stage 2 vs 2 "events" , its hard to find people.

ange10

Originally posted by HanoverZ

http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/65407-big-spike-subs.html#post1190296

From the original post on MO, the poster adds :

"The increase from 2577 subs in May to 3190 subs in June is 'Dawn.' The increase to 5560 subs in July is a result of the extra charging debacle!!!  

This would mean there really isn't a big spike in subscriptions."

 

 

This thread is intentionally misleading... MO best case is 3190 subs

like i said, the fiasco happened in june, the earilist report was june the first, the guy transcation was on the 3rd, it actually showed a decline in population and the card double charging issue was solved within 2-3 days with a offical response from Black opal on the 7th.

june, dawn released, around 1k more subs, this is showned in july, then augest, the biggest increase is seen.

3-May ….. 128771 ….. 2640

3-Jun ….. 131348 ….. 2577

3-Jul ….. 134538 ….. 3190

3-Aug ….. 140098 ….. 5560

 

also the mortal online summer deal has been going on, and basshunter supporting the game with six subsriptions might also be reasons for its sudden increase in population.

HanoverZ

Originally posted by ange10

Originally posted by HanoverZ

http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/65407-big-spike-subs.html#post1190296

From the original post on MO, the poster adds :

"The increase from 2577 subs in May to 3190 subs in June is 'Dawn.' The increase to 5560 subs in July is a result of the extra charging debacle!!!  

This would mean there really isn't a big spike in subscriptions."

 

 

This thread is intentionally misleading... MO best case is 3190 subs

like i said, the fiasco happened in june, the earilist report was june the first, the guy transcation was on the 3rd, it actually showed a decline in population and the card double charging issue was solved within 2-3 days with a offical response from Black opal on the 7th.

june, dawn released, around 1k more subs, this is showned in july, then augest, the biggest increase is seen.

3-May ….. 128771 ….. 2640

3-Jun ….. 131348 ….. 2577

3-Jul ….. 134538 ….. 3190

3-Aug ….. 140098 ….. 5560

 

also the mortal online summer deal has been going on, and basshunter supporting the game with six subsriptions might also be reasons for its sudden increase in population.

 

Ok so you quote the OP post as fact... yet discredit his follow up statements. Interesting...