Nah, you're not the only one. And this is coming from someone who's a Star Wars fan, a Bioware fan, and hated SWG (pre-CU and beyond) with a passion.
Frankly, it looks like just another cookiee-cutter MMO... with fancy cut-scenes and voice acting for the illiterate.
The stylized art direction doesn't bother me, but doesn't grab me either.
The in-game demonstrations just look ho-hum. Like every other themepark MMO I've ever played. Been there, done that.
The on-rails Star Fox 64 space combat pisses me off.
Daniel Erickson's "Hey Chewie, let’s go into space and just dick around" strawman defense of their choice to go with an on-rails space shooter pisses me off even more. (Just because I wanted the option to stop and/or turn my ship around does NOT mean I wanted a content-devoid sandbox FFS.)
The limited selection of painted skin humanoids for character creation, rather than *any* of the more exotic races we all know and love from the movies (much less droids) is a disappointment.
Daniel Erickson's "You can't relate to a freak" explanation for not having a broader selection of playable races pisses me off.
(Perhaps you're starting to see a theme here: Daniel Erickson pisses me off.)
Two factions? Doomy doom, darkety dark emo Sith or goodie two shoes Lawful Good emo Jedi? And Smugglers/Bounty Hunters are shoehorned into one or the other? Geesh, even the Clone Wars animated kiddie show has a bit more depth to offer than that.
And what's the point again of having lightside/darkside progression, if you'll always be locked into the same faction you chose on character creation?
And then there's EA. I already got a taste of their influence, with the additional $5 fee for the "privilege" of pre-ordering a game that had yet to get a release date. Are you kidding me? I'm doing them and their investors a favor, and getting charged an extra $5 for it??
Can't wait 'till they announce "micro" transactions and DLC. You're naive as hell if you think that's not happening.
And then there's EA. I already got a taste of their influence, with the additional $5 fee for the "privilege" of pre-ordering a game that had yet to get a release date. Are you kidding me? I'm doing them and their investors a favor, and getting charged an extra $5 for it??
And then there's EA. I already got a taste of their influence, with the additional $5 fee for the "privilege" of pre-ordering a game that had yet to get a release date. Are you kidding me? I'm doing them and their investors a favor, and getting charged an extra $5 for it??
Shoots all your credibility right there..
Why? I can't pre-order a game I'm still critical of?
And then there's EA. I already got a taste of their influence, with the additional $5 fee for the "privilege" of pre-ordering a game that had yet to get a release date. Are you kidding me? I'm doing them and their investors a favor, and getting charged an extra $5 for it??
Shoots all your credibility right there..
Why? I can't pre-order a game I'm still critical of?
the $5 isnt a fee. it is subtracted from your total when the full purchase is made. gamestop does this as well.
"If you're going to act like a noob, I'll treat you like one." -Caskio
And then there's EA. I already got a taste of their influence, with the additional $5 fee for the "privilege" of pre-ordering a game that had yet to get a release date. Are you kidding me? I'm doing them and their investors a favor, and getting charged an extra $5 for it??
Shoots all your credibility right there..
Why? I can't pre-order a game I'm still critical of?
the $5 isnt a fee. it is subtracted from your total when the full purchase is made. gamestop does this as well.
It wasn't subtracted from the total on my invoice.
Product Name: STAR WARS(TM): The Old Republic(TM) Digital Standard Edition Pre-Order
Qty Ordered: 1
Amount: $5.00
Product Name: STAR WARS(TM): The Old Republic(TM) Digital Standard Edition (Pre-Ordered)
Anticipated Released Date: Targeting Holiday 2011
Qty Ordered: 1
Amount: $54.99
SubTotal: $59.99
Shipping & Handling: $0.00
Tax: $0.00
Total: $59.99
Now if you're telling me the Origin store will rebate my $5 at some time in the future, okie dokie. But I've got absolutely ZERO indication that's their policy. If I missed it, my error.
It wasn't subtracted from the total on my invoice.
Product Name: STAR WARS(TM): The Old Republic(TM) Digital Standard Edition Pre-Order
Qty Ordered: 1
Amount: $5.00
Product Name: STAR WARS(TM): The Old Republic(TM) Digital Standard Edition (Pre-Ordered)
Anticipated Released Date: Targeting Holiday 2011
Qty Ordered: 1
Amount: $54.99
SubTotal: $59.99
Shipping & Handling: $0.00
Tax: $0.00
Total: $59.99
Now if you're telling me the Origin store will rebate my $5 at some time in the future, okie dokie. But I got absolutely ZERO indication that's their policy. If I missed it, my error.
Originally posted by hanshotfirst Originally posted by Caskio
Originally posted by hanshotfirst
Originally posted by Cinge
Originally posted by hanshotfirst
And then there's EA. I already got a taste of their influence, with the additional $5 fee for the "privilege" of pre-ordering a game that had yet to get a release date. Are you kidding me? I'm doing them and their investors a favor, and getting charged an extra $5 for it??
Shoots all your credibility right there.. Why? I can't pre-order a game I'm still critical of? the $5 isnt a fee. it is subtracted from your total when the full purchase is made. gamestop does this as well.
It wasn't subtracted from the total on my invoice.
Product Name: STAR WARS(TM): The Old Republic(TM) Digital Standard Edition Pre-Order
Qty Ordered: 1
Amount: $5.00
Product Name: STAR WARS(TM): The Old Republic(TM) Digital Standard Edition (Pre-Ordered)
Anticipated Released Date: Targeting Holiday 2011
Qty Ordered: 1
Amount: $54.99
SubTotal: $59.99
Shipping & Handling: $0.00
Tax: $0.00
Total: $59.99
Now if you're telling me the Origin store will rebate my $5 at some time in the future, okie dokie. But I've got absolutely ZERO indication that's their policy. If I missed it, my error.
It wasn't subtracted from the total on my invoice.
Product Name: STAR WARS(TM): The Old Republic(TM) Digital Standard Edition Pre-Order Qty Ordered: 1 Amount: $5.00
Product Name: STAR WARS(TM): The Old Republic(TM) Digital Standard Edition (Pre-Ordered) Anticipated Released Date: Targeting Holiday 2011 Qty Ordered: 1 Amount: $54.99
Now if you're telling me the Origin store will rebate my $5 at some time in the future, okie dokie. But I got absolutely ZERO indication that's their policy. If I missed it, my error.
If you buy it without pre-ordering it, the cost will be $59.99. You're paying $5 ahead of time, and then paying the remainder of $54.99 when it ships.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
And then there's EA. I already got a taste of their influence, with the additional $5 fee for the "privilege" of pre-ordering a game that had yet to get a release date. Are you kidding me? I'm doing them and their investors a favor, and getting charged an extra $5 for it??
Shoots all your credibility right there..
Why? I can't pre-order a game I'm still critical of?
the $5 isnt a fee. it is subtracted from your total when the full purchase is made. gamestop does this as well.
It wasn't subtracted from the total on my invoice.
Product Name: STAR WARS(TM): The Old Republic(TM) Digital Standard Edition Pre-Order
Qty Ordered: 1
Amount: $5.00
Product Name: STAR WARS(TM): The Old Republic(TM) Digital Standard Edition (Pre-Ordered)
Anticipated Released Date: Targeting Holiday 2011
Qty Ordered: 1
Amount: $54.99
SubTotal: $59.99
Shipping & Handling: $0.00
Tax: $0.00
Total: $59.99
Now if you're telling me the Origin store will rebate my $5 at some time in the future, okie dokie. But I've got absolutely ZERO indication that's their policy. If I missed it, my error.
It wasn't subtracted from the total on my invoice.
Product Name: STAR WARS(TM): The Old Republic(TM) Digital Standard Edition Pre-Order
Qty Ordered: 1
Amount: $5.00
Product Name: STAR WARS(TM): The Old Republic(TM) Digital Standard Edition (Pre-Ordered)
Anticipated Released Date: Targeting Holiday 2011
Qty Ordered: 1
Amount: $54.99
SubTotal: $59.99
Shipping & Handling: $0.00
Tax: $0.00
Total: $59.99
Now if you're telling me the Origin store will rebate my $5 at some time in the future, okie dokie. But I got absolutely ZERO indication that's their policy. If I missed it, my error.
It's already been subtracted. The game is 59.99 and will be that price upon release. They already subtracted 5 dollars and the way they did it just made it look funny. It's a 59.99 game.
The inability to lighten up doesn't make you hardcore.
Huge Star Wars Fan here... but SWTOR definitely is meh to me. I have pre-ordered a basic version (had to pre-order from Amazon because I live in the excluded "Red Zone" who are not intended to play at release according to Bioware & EA) so I can play with some friends at launch. Our guild chapter has pretty much fulled out of the game due to the rediculous release exclusions and the way that debacle was handled.
SWTOR me looks like KOTOR online, which isnt necessarily a bad thing but with the mechanics of group questing (where it skips you to the part of the story the party leader is upt to) it could end up being a very bad thing for those who play with friends.
Still weighing up my options, I have been quite close to just cancelling my pre-order on several occasions due to the moronic way the restricted release has been handled and also I feel like the more of the game i see in videos the more idssapointed & dissinterested I become.
Look at the price of the game on your invoice: 54.99, its really 59.99. They subtracted 5 dollars for the pre-order, its not additional. If it was additional, you would have had a total of 64.99, instead of 59.99.
Maybe your meh feeling is because your burned out on mmo the fact you even looked to see how much a ce was says your more than a bit interested. Sorry for not buying your meh story if its good you will be playing like the rest of us.
You have to imagine how much hype this game would be getting if the Star Wars name wasn't attached to it.
I feel very little.
I feel the same.
Theme Park, Treadmill and Im already meh, take away the 'Star Wars' theme and now it REALLY doesn't do it for me.
I don't know about that, I think if Bio Ware was making a AAA space MMO there would be a lot of interest even without the Star Wars name attached.
Take Bioware and Star Wars out of it, and how interested are you?
Does the game stand on its own merit?
To be fair, I am no longer the target audience. I will not play another treadmill mmo. That right there turns me off.
Carrot on the stick reward system/treadmill--I just can't do that anymore. I never enjoyed leveling. I enjoy PvP'ing.
Raiding, again I could care less. It can all be considered a waste of time, but raiding is the most obscenely indulgent waste of time. And to have to spend that time with idjuts that pass for Human Resource Managers--- makes me feel like its going to be TechWoW in Space.
I don't know about that, I think if Bio Ware was making a AAA space MMO there would be a lot of interest even without the Star Wars name attached.
Take Bioware and Star Wars out of it, and how interested are you?
Does the game stand on its own merit?
Okay, so take away Jedi and Sith and replace them with equivalent classes. They don't use lightsabers or the force, they use regular swords/staves and magic. Now pretend it's some up and coming developer we've never heard of, but they got insane funding. We're left with:
Full VO.
Unique story for each class.
Companion characters that you can advance and customize.
Crafting while you quest.
Star Fox style mini-game. (Can't complain about space not being fully explorable since this is no longer Star Wars, and not comparable to SWG anymore.)
World PvP with incentive.
Player housing.
Multiple choice questlines.
Co-Op NPC conversations.
This right here sounds like a really fun game to me regardless of who's making it. Of course, the game hasn't been released so we don't know the specifics of a lot of the above, and I haven't talked about endgame (which I don't know too much about, very well might be carrot on a stick but I enjoy that), so I can only judge by it's promise, not it's reality. Still looks good, though.
I find the whole "take away the star wars theme" bit to be amusing. That's like saying "take away the fantasy theme from LOTRO and you may not be interested." That's the whole point of the game! Of course you wouldn't be interested. That's why it's a targeted audience. That audience being mainly 2 crowds.
Group 1: Star Wars fans. I realize that NOT ALL SW fans are happy about this, and I can completely sympathize. I understand that a lot of the people who are hardcore fans of the original trilogy are kinda "meh" about this, while fans of the EU are proabably shaking with excitement. The later of the two is probably Bioware's targeted group.
Group 2: Die hard Bioware fans. (This is the bigger chunk IMO)
Those two groups (which are very large ones) are the crowds they are intending to woo. I realize that it doesn't appeal to everyone- and that's fine. I'm sure there are people out there wishing for a SWG2 or a more realistic simulation of star wars, and there's nothing wrong with that. This game just isn't for you. However; for those with a thirst for the ever so familiar style of story driven content that Bioware delivers -this is definitely your cup of tea.
Again; I realize that some people who play MMO's are dissappointed. The want something that lives up to and/or surpasses current MMO standards. I understand that they could give three spits about the story, companions, and all the other Bioware assortment of goods. That's COMPLETELY understandable. Don't play SWTOR.
Regardless, lets be reasonable for a minute here. These ridiculous comparison's have to stop. Either love the game for what it is, or hate it for what it isn't...but enough already with the pointless comparisons.
I don't know about that, I think if Bio Ware was making a AAA space MMO there would be a lot of interest even without the Star Wars name attached.
Take Bioware and Star Wars out of it, and how interested are you?
Does the game stand on its own merit?
Okay, so take away Jedi and Sith and replace them with equivalent classes. They don't use lightsabers or the force, they use regular swords/staves and magic. Now pretend it's some up and coming developer we've never heard of, but they got insane funding. We're left with:
Full VO.
Unique story for each class.
Companion characters that you can advance and customize.
Crafting while you quest.
Star Fox style mini-game. (Can't complain about space not being fully explorable since this is no longer Star Wars, and not comparable to SWG anymore.)
World PvP with incentive.
Player housing.
Multiple choice questlines.
Co-Op NPC conversations.
This right here sounds like a really fun game to me regardless of who's making it. Of course, the game hasn't been released so we don't know the specifics of a lot of the above, and I haven't talked about endgame (which I don't know too much about, very well might be carrot on a stick but I enjoy that), so I can only judge by it's promise, not it's reality. Still looks good, though.
Well said. I completely agree with that. Those are all great features. However; the icing on the cakeISthe fact that it's a star wars themed game. Which is why I think it's silly to say "take that out of the equation".
This is, to me, such a disappointing and jaded perspective.
This site is about mmo's. It should be about our shared passion for a genre of game that we love and the enjoyment that we derive from them and this whole article seems so uninformed and more offensively, "too cool".
I love that early on in the article we're told about the author's reading binges lest we should think to question her perspective we need to remember that she's intelligent and reads and is awesome.
The claim that this is a single player RPG with multiplayer elements is so frustrating. It's been trotted out time and again by detractors and time and again it has been refuted, not only by bioware themselves but by htesters as well as journalists many of whom work for this site.
There are many elements of this game that don't deviate from the standard mmo formula on no one is arguing otherwise but there are so many reasons to be excited as well. Say what you will about story but no game in this genre has had so much effort with so many writers tasked with creating a unique and enjoyable role playing experience. Sure the combat is action bar oriented but both the pace and lack of an auto attack as well as the emphasis on physics related attacks and objects is somewhat new and having played the game myself at comic con I can say that the visceral feel to combat is refreshing and new.
At the end of the day I'm not writing this to defend TOR in particular but rather to say that the attitude and tone of this article are disappointing. It's not constructive, it's meant to simply dampen the excitement of anyone that is interested in the game so that the author can feel cool and fascinating for not buying into the hype. I would hope that someone who's chosen to write for a site like this would be able to give in to the kind of excitement and wonder that comes from being excited about a game but this above it all article is a real insight into the kind of people writing the content here. Thumbs down.
Look at the price of the game on your invoice: 54.99, its really 59.99. They subtracted 5 dollars for the pre-order, its not additional. If it was additional, you would have had a total of 64.99, instead of 59.99.
What is shows is you are quick to jump on any assumption,news, info etc, at first glance, without actually doing any digging on it. A band-wagoner :P
Reading an official billing statement shouldn't require interpretation or "digging". And it's patently ridiculous you're trying to argue otherwise. It's an invoice, not a horoscope.
Star Fox style mini-game. (Can't complain about space not being fully explorable since this is no longer Star Wars, and not comparable to SWG anymore.)
Really? You're listing the rail-shooter aspect as a positive?
P.S.: As stated previously, the desire to stop and/or turn your ship around != a demand for fully explorable space. Please stop regurgitating Daniel Erickson's strawman argument.
The claim that this is a single player RPG with multiplayer elements is so frustrating. It's been trotted out time and again by detractors and time and again it has been refuted, not only by bioware themselves but by htesters as well as journalists many of whom work for this site.
Gotta agree with you here. That little dig is beyond stale.
Obviously I have my own concerns/criticisms about SWTOR, but anyone pulling out that "single-player RPG" chestnut is clearly either a moron or just trollin'.
I feel the same as the article, and im not pre ordering i dont pre order mmo's anymore its left a bad taste of being ripped of in my mouth so i will wait and see before i pick up this game
Originally posted by hanshotfirst Originally posted by Cinge Look at the price of the game on your invoice: 54.99, its really 59.99. They subtracted 5 dollars for the pre-order, its not additional. If it was additional, you would have had a total of 64.99, instead of 59.99. What is shows is you are quick to jump on any assumption,news, info etc, at first glance, without actually doing any digging on it. A band-wagoner :P
Reading an official billing statement shouldn't require interpretation or "digging". And it's patently ridiculous you're trying to argue otherwise. It's an invoice, not a horoscope. Stop being an apologist.
It shouldn't require someone to point out what would be obvious to the majority of people. If you're complaining about the invoice, then you're looking for something to complain about.
Also, Han was smarter than Greedo, of course he shot first.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Look at the price of the game on your invoice: 54.99, its really 59.99. They subtracted 5 dollars for the pre-order, its not additional. If it was additional, you would have had a total of 64.99, instead of 59.99.
What is shows is you are quick to jump on any assumption,news, info etc, at first glance, without actually doing any digging on it. A band-wagoner :P
Reading an official billing statement shouldn't require interpretation or "digging". And it's patently ridiculous you're trying to argue otherwise. It's an invoice, not a horoscope.
Stop being an apologist.
It shouldn't require someone to point out what would be obvious to the majority of people. If you're complaining about the invoice, then you're looking for something to complain about.
Also, Han was smarter than Greedo, of course he shot first.
yup.. sure he did. its almost one of the commandments.. do unto others as they would do unto you.. but do it first
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Nah, you're not the only one. And this is coming from someone who's a Star Wars fan, a Bioware fan, and hated SWG (pre-CU and beyond) with a passion.
Frankly, it looks like just another cookiee-cutter MMO... with fancy cut-scenes and voice acting for the illiterate.
The stylized art direction doesn't bother me, but doesn't grab me either.
The in-game demonstrations just look ho-hum. Like every other themepark MMO I've ever played. Been there, done that.
The on-rails Star Fox 64 space combat pisses me off.
Daniel Erickson's "Hey Chewie, let’s go into space and just dick around" strawman defense of their choice to go with an on-rails space shooter pisses me off even more. (Just because I wanted the option to stop and/or turn my ship around does NOT mean I wanted a content-devoid sandbox FFS.)
The limited selection of painted skin humanoids for character creation, rather than *any* of the more exotic races we all know and love from the movies (much less droids) is a disappointment.
Daniel Erickson's "You can't relate to a freak" explanation for not having a broader selection of playable races pisses me off.
(Perhaps you're starting to see a theme here: Daniel Erickson pisses me off.)
Two factions? Doomy doom, darkety dark emo Sith or goodie two shoes Lawful Good emo Jedi? And Smugglers/Bounty Hunters are shoehorned into one or the other? Geesh, even the Clone Wars animated kiddie show has a bit more depth to offer than that.
And what's the point again of having lightside/darkside progression, if you'll always be locked into the same faction you chose on character creation?
And then there's EA. I already got a taste of their influence, with the additional $5 fee for the "privilege" of pre-ordering a game that had yet to get a release date. Are you kidding me? I'm doing them and their investors a favor, and getting charged an extra $5 for it??
Can't wait 'till they announce "micro" transactions and DLC. You're naive as hell if you think that's not happening.
Shoots all your credibility right there..
Why? I can't pre-order a game I'm still critical of?
the $5 isnt a fee. it is subtracted from your total when the full purchase is made. gamestop does this as well.
"If you're going to act like a noob, I'll treat you like one." -Caskio
Adventurers wear fancy pants!!!
It wasn't subtracted from the total on my invoice.
Product Name: STAR WARS(TM): The Old Republic(TM) Digital Standard Edition Pre-Order
Qty Ordered: 1
Amount: $5.00
Product Name: STAR WARS(TM): The Old Republic(TM) Digital Standard Edition (Pre-Ordered)
Anticipated Released Date: Targeting Holiday 2011
Qty Ordered: 1
Amount: $54.99
SubTotal: $59.99
Shipping & Handling: $0.00
Tax: $0.00
Total: $59.99
Now if you're telling me the Origin store will rebate my $5 at some time in the future, okie dokie. But I've got absolutely ZERO indication that's their policy. If I missed it, my error.
It wasn't subtracted from the total on my invoice.
Product Name: STAR WARS(TM): The Old Republic(TM) Digital Standard Edition Pre-Order
Qty Ordered: 1
Amount: $5.00
Product Name: STAR WARS(TM): The Old Republic(TM) Digital Standard Edition (Pre-Ordered)
Anticipated Released Date: Targeting Holiday 2011
Qty Ordered: 1
Amount: $54.99
SubTotal: $59.99
Shipping & Handling: $0.00
Tax: $0.00
Total: $59.99
Now if you're telling me the Origin store will rebate my $5 at some time in the future, okie dokie. But I got absolutely ZERO indication that's their policy. If I missed it, my error.
Why? I can't pre-order a game I'm still critical of?
the $5 isnt a fee. it is subtracted from your total when the full purchase is made. gamestop does this as well.
It wasn't subtracted from the total on my invoice.
Product Name: STAR WARS(TM): The Old Republic(TM) Digital Standard Edition Pre-Order
Qty Ordered: 1
Amount: $5.00
Product Name: STAR WARS(TM): The Old Republic(TM) Digital Standard Edition (Pre-Ordered)
Anticipated Released Date: Targeting Holiday 2011
Qty Ordered: 1
Amount: $54.99
SubTotal: $59.99
Shipping & Handling: $0.00
Tax: $0.00
Total: $59.99
Now if you're telling me the Origin store will rebate my $5 at some time in the future, okie dokie. But I've got absolutely ZERO indication that's their policy. If I missed it, my error.
It wasn't subtracted from the total on my invoice.
Product Name: STAR WARS(TM): The Old Republic(TM) Digital Standard Edition Pre-Order
Qty Ordered: 1
Amount: $5.00
Product Name: STAR WARS(TM): The Old Republic(TM) Digital Standard Edition (Pre-Ordered)
Anticipated Released Date: Targeting Holiday 2011
Qty Ordered: 1
Amount: $54.99
SubTotal: $59.99
Shipping & Handling: $0.00
Tax: $0.00
Total: $59.99
Now if you're telling me the Origin store will rebate my $5 at some time in the future, okie dokie. But I got absolutely ZERO indication that's their policy. If I missed it, my error.
If you buy it without pre-ordering it, the cost will be $59.99. You're paying $5 ahead of time, and then paying the remainder of $54.99 when it ships.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
It's already been subtracted. The game is 59.99 and will be that price upon release. They already subtracted 5 dollars and the way they did it just made it look funny. It's a 59.99 game.
The inability to lighten up doesn't make you hardcore.
Huge Star Wars Fan here... but SWTOR definitely is meh to me. I have pre-ordered a basic version (had to pre-order from Amazon because I live in the excluded "Red Zone" who are not intended to play at release according to Bioware & EA) so I can play with some friends at launch. Our guild chapter has pretty much fulled out of the game due to the rediculous release exclusions and the way that debacle was handled.
SWTOR me looks like KOTOR online, which isnt necessarily a bad thing but with the mechanics of group questing (where it skips you to the part of the story the party leader is upt to) it could end up being a very bad thing for those who play with friends.
Still weighing up my options, I have been quite close to just cancelling my pre-order on several occasions due to the moronic way the restricted release has been handled and also I feel like the more of the game i see in videos the more idssapointed & dissinterested I become.
Look at the price of the game on your invoice: 54.99, its really 59.99. They subtracted 5 dollars for the pre-order, its not additional. If it was additional, you would have had a total of 64.99, instead of 59.99.
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also i think your going to need a lava suit... just saying :P
I feel the same.
Theme Park, Treadmill and Im already meh, take away the 'Star Wars' theme and now it REALLY doesn't do it for me.
I don't know about that, I think if Bio Ware was making a AAA space MMO there would be a lot of interest even without the Star Wars name attached.
Maybe your meh feeling is because your burned out on mmo the fact you even looked to see how much a ce was says your more than a bit interested. Sorry for not buying your meh story if its good you will be playing like the rest of us.
Take Bioware and Star Wars out of it, and how interested are you?
Does the game stand on its own merit?
To be fair, I am no longer the target audience. I will not play another treadmill mmo. That right there turns me off.
Carrot on the stick reward system/treadmill--I just can't do that anymore. I never enjoyed leveling. I enjoy PvP'ing.
Raiding, again I could care less. It can all be considered a waste of time, but raiding is the most obscenely indulgent waste of time. And to have to spend that time with idjuts that pass for Human Resource Managers--- makes me feel like its going to be TechWoW in Space.
selling space balls the movie good is dumb O_O
.....
Okay, so take away Jedi and Sith and replace them with equivalent classes. They don't use lightsabers or the force, they use regular swords/staves and magic. Now pretend it's some up and coming developer we've never heard of, but they got insane funding. We're left with:
Full VO.
Unique story for each class.
Companion characters that you can advance and customize.
Crafting while you quest.
Star Fox style mini-game. (Can't complain about space not being fully explorable since this is no longer Star Wars, and not comparable to SWG anymore.)
World PvP with incentive.
Player housing.
Multiple choice questlines.
Co-Op NPC conversations.
This right here sounds like a really fun game to me regardless of who's making it. Of course, the game hasn't been released so we don't know the specifics of a lot of the above, and I haven't talked about endgame (which I don't know too much about, very well might be carrot on a stick but I enjoy that), so I can only judge by it's promise, not it's reality. Still looks good, though.
I find the whole "take away the star wars theme" bit to be amusing. That's like saying "take away the fantasy theme from LOTRO and you may not be interested." That's the whole point of the game! Of course you wouldn't be interested. That's why it's a targeted audience. That audience being mainly 2 crowds.
Group 1: Star Wars fans. I realize that NOT ALL SW fans are happy about this, and I can completely sympathize. I understand that a lot of the people who are hardcore fans of the original trilogy are kinda "meh" about this, while fans of the EU are proabably shaking with excitement. The later of the two is probably Bioware's targeted group.
Group 2: Die hard Bioware fans. (This is the bigger chunk IMO)
Those two groups (which are very large ones) are the crowds they are intending to woo. I realize that it doesn't appeal to everyone- and that's fine. I'm sure there are people out there wishing for a SWG2 or a more realistic simulation of star wars, and there's nothing wrong with that. This game just isn't for you. However; for those with a thirst for the ever so familiar style of story driven content that Bioware delivers -this is definitely your cup of tea.
Again; I realize that some people who play MMO's are dissappointed. The want something that lives up to and/or surpasses current MMO standards. I understand that they could give three spits about the story, companions, and all the other Bioware assortment of goods. That's COMPLETELY understandable. Don't play SWTOR.
Regardless, lets be reasonable for a minute here. These ridiculous comparison's have to stop. Either love the game for what it is, or hate it for what it isn't...but enough already with the pointless comparisons.
Well said. I completely agree with that. Those are all great features. However; the icing on the cake IS the fact that it's a star wars themed game. Which is why I think it's silly to say "take that out of the equation".
This is, to me, such a disappointing and jaded perspective.
This site is about mmo's. It should be about our shared passion for a genre of game that we love and the enjoyment that we derive from them and this whole article seems so uninformed and more offensively, "too cool".
I love that early on in the article we're told about the author's reading binges lest we should think to question her perspective we need to remember that she's intelligent and reads and is awesome.
The claim that this is a single player RPG with multiplayer elements is so frustrating. It's been trotted out time and again by detractors and time and again it has been refuted, not only by bioware themselves but by htesters as well as journalists many of whom work for this site.
There are many elements of this game that don't deviate from the standard mmo formula on no one is arguing otherwise but there are so many reasons to be excited as well. Say what you will about story but no game in this genre has had so much effort with so many writers tasked with creating a unique and enjoyable role playing experience. Sure the combat is action bar oriented but both the pace and lack of an auto attack as well as the emphasis on physics related attacks and objects is somewhat new and having played the game myself at comic con I can say that the visceral feel to combat is refreshing and new.
At the end of the day I'm not writing this to defend TOR in particular but rather to say that the attitude and tone of this article are disappointing. It's not constructive, it's meant to simply dampen the excitement of anyone that is interested in the game so that the author can feel cool and fascinating for not buying into the hype. I would hope that someone who's chosen to write for a site like this would be able to give in to the kind of excitement and wonder that comes from being excited about a game but this above it all article is a real insight into the kind of people writing the content here. Thumbs down.
Reading an official billing statement shouldn't require interpretation or "digging". And it's patently ridiculous you're trying to argue otherwise. It's an invoice, not a horoscope.
Stop being an apologist.
Really? You're listing the rail-shooter aspect as a positive?
P.S.: As stated previously, the desire to stop and/or turn your ship around != a demand for fully explorable space. Please stop regurgitating Daniel Erickson's strawman argument.
Gotta agree with you here. That little dig is beyond stale.
Obviously I have my own concerns/criticisms about SWTOR, but anyone pulling out that "single-player RPG" chestnut is clearly either a moron or just trollin'.
I feel the same as the article, and im not pre ordering i dont pre order mmo's anymore its left a bad taste of being ripped of in my mouth so i will wait and see before i pick up this game
Stop being an apologist.
It shouldn't require someone to point out what would be obvious to the majority of people. If you're complaining about the invoice, then you're looking for something to complain about.
Also, Han was smarter than Greedo, of course he shot first.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
yup.. sure he did. its almost one of the commandments.. do unto others as they would do unto you.. but do it first