I wish it were just 5 seconds lol... I have a very fast system with a Raid 0 setup and it takes around 30 seconds. There's even loading screens when you die in pvp.
I highly, highly doubt that.
That would be... one of the most idiotic oversights in the history of MMO design.
There's more I wish I could discuss here, but the NDA prevents me from doing so. I'm unhappy with the classes. I have a Sith Juggernaugt and a Mercenary both in the upper 20's and I just don't feel like a Tank/Healer. The lack of skills annoys me. I wish it was like Rift's talent system where you gain skills while you put points into a tree rather than gaining skills you may never use.
I honestly don't believe you've tested the game. It is clear you're a fan of RIFT and you aren't interested in SWTOR:
I wish it were just 5 seconds lol... I have a very fast system with a Raid 0 setup and it takes around 30 seconds. There's even loading screens when you die in pvp.
I highly, highly doubt that.
That would be... one of the most idiotic oversights in the history of MMO design.
Funny, this leads me to disbelieve his "Beta Testing" claim even more since I watched two different videos for PvP today that showed player death and NO loading screen.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
Oh no, not another one of these threads.. PLEASE dont feed it lol.
EDIT: Have you noticed how every GW2 fanboi trying to start TOR hate threads has this in his post
Don't get me wrong, I really do hope the game is great, but from what I've seen here, I won't be having my hopes up.
lmao, cause I have.
The same way you're entitled to make threads entitled "The TOR will dominate the market!", or something to that effect, is the same way people are entitled to make threads about how they're NOT whatsoever excited about the game. Stop being hypocritical.
On topic though, i made a link for the video: here
Additionally, the game looks more and more boring. The armor & clothing is uninspiring, and worse looking than how EQ2 looked when it first came out. Also, the combat looks so damned boring i wish I could cry tears just to keep my eyes from hurting so much .
WTB: Real StarWars MMO......please ?
well if the game not for you its ok not to like it i am sure the game will do fine there are tons of people buying it the game will get better in time. now as for the grachics maybe they went this route for others can play with out super computers as my wife lab top cant play super games.,,,,, so i understand why they went that route for grachics and such so not careing for the grachics as i will enjoy the game they way it is...... i sure it will live life long and prosper there tons of star wars fans will be playing this game. then you have guild wars 2 great game for those who like it me i like sci fiction space games guild wars 2 ant for me but i respect the people who like there own taste.
I wish it were just 5 seconds lol... I have a very fast system with a Raid 0 setup and it takes around 30 seconds. There's even loading screens when you die in pvp.
I highly, highly doubt that.
That would be... one of the most idiotic oversights in the history of MMO design.
Funny, this leads me to disbelieve his "Beta Testing" claim even more since I watched two different videos for PvP today that showed player death and NO loading screen.
I wish it were just 5 seconds lol... I have a very fast system with a Raid 0 setup and it takes around 30 seconds. There's even loading screens when you die in pvp.
I highly, highly doubt that.
That would be... one of the most idiotic oversights in the history of MMO design.
pvp video from gamescom. smuggler dies, hit a button, instantly appears back on the ship. no loading screen
Lol at this people judging a mmo after watching a lv 1 gameplay, from my point of view we have a lot of scared gw2 fans, bc maybe the game is not that great. did u see the Gw2 pvp vids? just 1 pvp mode ¨conquest¨ and is all about hold a shiny circle for a few secs to earn points, thats all, conquest version in swtor is capture a huge canon to burn your enemy ship, and they have opvp, rvr and more, gw2 who should be a pvp revolution for the mmo world is all about instanced pvp, a single mode ¨conquest¨ with the same, generic and basic ¨hold a zone to win points¨ system, thats all.
There's more I wish I could discuss here, but the NDA prevents me from doing so. I'm unhappy with the classes. I have a Sith Juggernaugt and a Mercenary both in the upper 20's and I just don't feel like a Tank/Healer. The lack of skills annoys me. I wish it was like Rift's talent system where you gain skills while you put points into a tree rather than gaining skills you may never use.
I honestly don't believe you've tested the game. It is clear you're a fan of RIFT and you aren't interested in SWTOR:
On a side note, you do have choices on what skills you gain. You also have a choice on the way your skills react. By level 20 you should know that.
You know you got a good point calling him on that. Its just simply unfathomable to me that someone would straight up make that up. What could he possibly gain. Maybe there some intrinsic value to community cred that I am just not identifing with. I suppose I have philisophical axiom that says "People don't lie except for good reason" that I should probably change to "People will lie just because", but I am just not that cynical. However this is the internet.
There are some things I just find very interesting in regards to a lot of people who come here to complain about games.
What were their interests before? How likely would it be that they were selected for testing? Does their information add up? Is the person consistent? Is that person likely to break the NDA if they are a current tester?
With the amount of leaks out there on TOR right now, its not hard for someone to pretend they are a tester with "inside information" but risk nothing simply because they aren't really testers.
Opinions are one thing, but with the information he's given already from his "testing" it sounds pretty questionable to me. On top of that, his negative attitude is consistent with his previous opinions. Less than a month ago he admitted to not playing it. A lot of things just aren't adding up here for me. It wouldn't be a stretch to believe others who are already critical of SWTOR would like to believe him. Some of the information he released has been proven wrong outside of the NDA already... had his information at least been consistent and he left only opinion, I would have at least accepted it. Now, not so much.
What I don't get is the hype complaint form the OP. GW2 and others are being hyped WAY above what SWTOR is, yet people come here and complain that there's too much going on. The only time I get info about this game is when I visit SWTOR specific forums, or when a convention is running, in which case most games are all getting massive attention. So what's the deal with the hype argument?
What I don't get is the hype complaint form the OP. GW2 and others are being hyped WAY above what SWTOR is, yet people come here and complain that there's too much going on. The only time I get info about this game is when I visit SWTOR specific forums, or when a convention is running, in which case most games are all getting massive attention. So what's the deal with the hype argument?
I've noticed similar complaints from haters on the threads of many developing games. It seems if you can make people believe that a game is over-hyped, then it must be bad in the end. It also seldom seems to work and is actually kind of funny to watch the haters try so hard.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
The game looks really polished and immersive in that video. I'm not keen on mmo's becoming so quest-centric, but since this is obviously that kind of game, I'd have to say it looks great. The voice-acting, the story-line beginning for a Sith, very nice.
What I don't get is the hype complaint form the OP. GW2 and others are being hyped WAY above what SWTOR is, yet people come here and complain that there's too much going on. The only time I get info about this game is when I visit SWTOR specific forums, or when a convention is running, in which case most games are all getting massive attention. So what's the deal with the hype argument?
Yeah GW2 hype far far far exceeds SWToR hype. Whoever argues that is insane. Nto sure if I have seen Bioware come out and say they are dramatically changing stuff. I saw the ussual pr marketing crap, but nothing compared to what ArenaNET has been saying.
What I don't get is the hype complaint form the OP. GW2 and others are being hyped WAY above what SWTOR is, yet people come here and complain that there's too much going on. The only time I get info about this game is when I visit SWTOR specific forums, or when a convention is running, in which case most games are all getting massive attention. So what's the deal with the hype argument?
Yeah GW2 hype far far far exceeds SWToR hype. Whoever argues that is insane. Nto sure if I have seen Bioware come out and say they are dramatically changing stuff. I saw the ussual pr marketing crap, but nothing compared to what ArenaNET has been doing.
i fixed it because, they do not say something until they can show to us that something works
What I don't get is the hype complaint form the OP. GW2 and others are being hyped WAY above what SWTOR is, yet people come here and complain that there's too much going on. The only time I get info about this game is when I visit SWTOR specific forums, or when a convention is running, in which case most games are all getting massive attention. So what's the deal with the hype argument?
Yeah GW2 hype far far far exceeds SWToR hype. Whoever argues that is insane. Nto sure if I have seen Bioware come out and say they are dramatically changing stuff. I saw the ussual pr marketing crap, but nothing compared to what ArenaNET has been saying.
I am big fan of Bioware since Baldurs Gate and one thing i know about them is that they are not on talking too big and hyping their games. They do it but up to the extent that is necessary. And honestly Bioware doesn't need to. There name speaks for itself. Anet on the other hand likes to talk big. Now if they can deliver or not is another matter. Hype means nothing really.
Maybe that is why you will never see a manifasto video from Bioware with teary eyed game devs talking about how they are going to change the industry for ever.
What I don't get is the hype complaint form the OP. GW2 and others are being hyped WAY above what SWTOR is, yet people come here and complain that there's too much going on. The only time I get info about this game is when I visit SWTOR specific forums, or when a convention is running, in which case most games are all getting massive attention. So what's the deal with the hype argument?
Yeah GW2 hype far far far exceeds SWToR hype. Whoever argues that is insane. Nto sure if I have seen Bioware come out and say they are dramatically changing stuff. I saw the ussual pr marketing crap, but nothing compared to what ArenaNET has been doing.
i fixed it because, they do not say something until they can show to us that something works
Really what about WvWvW?
To SB fans, please stop making our demographic look bad.Stop invading threads that have nothing to do with sandboxes.
And tbh, GW2 looks equally or more boring when killing mobs (link), although their boss fights look like a lot of fun.
That's not even a very good video and it looks more involving than the TOR combat; the Charr model animations look much more fluid, and the dodging looks like great fun. TOR just looked like a lot of standing around. /shrug
That video is basically a bunch of standing around. They dodged what maybe 3 times And what level is that video compared to the level 1 video shown above, where you basically have little skills available.
That video of GW2 combat is the Charr starting area, so level 1 combat. The very first combat at level 1 too as he's still opening up his second skill with his weapon. I do not agree that GW2 combat looks more boring than TOR combat. Even with the one skill it looks more interesting at that level. It might be equally boring at certain levels, though I really doubt that, but that link isn't going to prove much in terms of ToR combat being less boring than GW2 combat.
Well guess what, that video of TOR's combat in the OP? It's level 1 combat as well bro.
We can all have our own opinions, I'm not bashing GW2, I think it looks cool and I'll play it, but I'm freaking tired of people coming in here saying it is uber awesomely more awesome than the shit boring TOR, when there is nothing pointing to that.
In fact, I just saw a GW2 walkthrough of 20+ minutes were a charr engineer basically spammed 1 ability during the entirety of that video. That's at level 1, I understand that. Is it uber excitiingly more awesome than anything in the TOR level 1 demo? No.
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It's just what I've been saying all along. The game is just pure hype. At it's core, it's just as capable as the next game, but the biggest thing pushing it right now is the IP/Fanbase and that will be the only thing that will keep it afloat.
Sorry i disagree. No amount of IP / Fanbase support can keep a game afloat if it is not good. Bad games do not work as simple as that. FFXIV, SWG are perfect examples.
It is Bioware...it will be good. I wish it and GW2 would launch so that people would shut up.
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lmao. Are you reading my mind? All the pre-release irritability. It's the same before every big MMO release.
What I don't get is the hype complaint form the OP. GW2 and others are being hyped WAY above what SWTOR is, yet people come here and complain that there's too much going on. The only time I get info about this game is when I visit SWTOR specific forums, or when a convention is running, in which case most games are all getting massive attention. So what's the deal with the hype argument?
Yeah GW2 hype far far far exceeds SWToR hype. Whoever argues that is insane. Nto sure if I have seen Bioware come out and say they are dramatically changing stuff. I saw the ussual pr marketing crap, but nothing compared to what ArenaNET has been doing.
i fixed it because, they do not say something until they can show to us that something works
Really what about WvWvW?
they probably already have it working, but are waiting until its polished up enough to be publicly shown.
as in, they already could show us but it still needs some work, and in accuality its such a simple idea that it can be belived without much problem
It's kind of funny, because this game would have been much more successful with more instancing.
When people realize that they have to repeat 75% of their leveling experience doing the same open world quests for the whole faction just to play those 25% unique instanced storylines, the appeal of rerolling multiple alts will die.
Same old mmorpg gameplay + bad replayability + kiddie graphics + wow endgame = fail
Wait for the NDA to be lifted before drinking your "1600 unique hours of gameplay" fanboy kool aid.
Hey at least it looks better than Tera. Geez am I tired of swords the size of a horse.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
What I don't get is the hype complaint form the OP. GW2 and others are being hyped WAY above what SWTOR is, yet people come here and complain that there's too much going on. The only time I get info about this game is when I visit SWTOR specific forums, or when a convention is running, in which case most games are all getting massive attention. So what's the deal with the hype argument?
Yeah GW2 hype far far far exceeds SWToR hype. Whoever argues that is insane. Nto sure if I have seen Bioware come out and say they are dramatically changing stuff. I saw the ussual pr marketing crap, but nothing compared to what ArenaNET has been doing.
i fixed it because, they do not say something until they can show to us that something works
Really what about WvWvW?
They have stated plenty of things ahead of time before they could properly show it to the world. Like the Asura, character customization, pvp, etc. They just hold it off till the can properly show it at a major convention so gamers can actually play with it. Hopefully, they will show it at PAX since they do not have a ton of time to show off everything at the conventions.
It's kind of funny, because this game would have been much more successful with more instancing.
When people realize that they have to repeat 75% of their leveling experience doing the same open world quests for the whole faction just to play those 25% unique instanced storylines, the appeal of rerolling multiple alts will die.
Same old mmorpg gameplay + bad replayability + kiddie graphics + wow endgame = fail
Wait for the NDA to be lifted before drinking your "1600 unique hours of gameplay" fanboy kool aid.
Hey at least it looks better than Tera. Geez am I tired of swords the size of a horse.
Opinions, IMO Tera looks like a real mmorpg (just like GW2 and Archeage) while SWTOR is just a kiddies first mmorpg catering to the lowest common denominator.
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I highly, highly doubt that.
That would be... one of the most idiotic oversights in the history of MMO design.
I honestly don't believe you've tested the game. It is clear you're a fan of RIFT and you aren't interested in SWTOR:
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4339084#4339084
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4095866#4095866
On a side note, you do have choices on what skills you gain. You also have a choice on the way your skills react. By level 20 you should know that.
Funny, this leads me to disbelieve his "Beta Testing" claim even more since I watched two different videos for PvP today that showed player death and NO loading screen.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
well if the game not for you its ok not to like it i am sure the game will do fine there are tons of people buying it the game will get better in time. now as for the grachics maybe they went this route for others can play with out super computers as my wife lab top cant play super games.,,,,, so i understand why they went that route for grachics and such so not careing for the grachics as i will enjoy the game they way it is...... i sure it will live life long and prosper there tons of star wars fans will be playing this game. then you have guild wars 2
great game for those who like it me i like sci fiction space games guild wars 2 ant for me but i respect the people who like there own taste.
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Good catch.
pvp video from gamescom. smuggler dies, hit a button, instantly appears back on the ship. no loading screen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hna_BOw3Jlw&feature=player_detailpage#t=169s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_pHecIE7vo at around 3:32 no loading screen after death.
In Bioware we trust!
Beat me too it lol! That load screen must be like a milisecond or something because I did not see it.
In Bioware we trust!
Lol at this people judging a mmo after watching a lv 1 gameplay, from my point of view we have a lot of scared gw2 fans, bc maybe the game is not that great. did u see the Gw2 pvp vids? just 1 pvp mode ¨conquest¨ and is all about hold a shiny circle for a few secs to earn points, thats all, conquest version in swtor is capture a huge canon to burn your enemy ship, and they have opvp, rvr and more, gw2 who should be a pvp revolution for the mmo world is all about instanced pvp, a single mode ¨conquest¨ with the same, generic and basic ¨hold a zone to win points¨ system, thats all.
There are some things I just find very interesting in regards to a lot of people who come here to complain about games.
What were their interests before? How likely would it be that they were selected for testing? Does their information add up? Is the person consistent? Is that person likely to break the NDA if they are a current tester?
With the amount of leaks out there on TOR right now, its not hard for someone to pretend they are a tester with "inside information" but risk nothing simply because they aren't really testers.
Opinions are one thing, but with the information he's given already from his "testing" it sounds pretty questionable to me. On top of that, his negative attitude is consistent with his previous opinions. Less than a month ago he admitted to not playing it. A lot of things just aren't adding up here for me. It wouldn't be a stretch to believe others who are already critical of SWTOR would like to believe him. Some of the information he released has been proven wrong outside of the NDA already... had his information at least been consistent and he left only opinion, I would have at least accepted it. Now, not so much.
What I don't get is the hype complaint form the OP. GW2 and others are being hyped WAY above what SWTOR is, yet people come here and complain that there's too much going on. The only time I get info about this game is when I visit SWTOR specific forums, or when a convention is running, in which case most games are all getting massive attention. So what's the deal with the hype argument?
I've noticed similar complaints from haters on the threads of many developing games. It seems if you can make people believe that a game is over-hyped, then it must be bad in the end. It also seldom seems to work and is actually kind of funny to watch the haters try so hard.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
The game looks really polished and immersive in that video. I'm not keen on mmo's becoming so quest-centric, but since this is obviously that kind of game, I'd have to say it looks great. The voice-acting, the story-line beginning for a Sith, very nice.
Yeah GW2 hype far far far exceeds SWToR hype. Whoever argues that is insane. Nto sure if I have seen Bioware come out and say they are dramatically changing stuff. I saw the ussual pr marketing crap, but nothing compared to what ArenaNET has been saying.
i fixed it because, they do not say something until they can show to us that something works
I am big fan of Bioware since Baldurs Gate and one thing i know about them is that they are not on talking too big and hyping their games. They do it but up to the extent that is necessary. And honestly Bioware doesn't need to. There name speaks for itself. Anet on the other hand likes to talk big. Now if they can deliver or not is another matter. Hype means nothing really.
Maybe that is why you will never see a manifasto video from Bioware with teary eyed game devs talking about how they are going to change the industry for ever.
You don't get a loading screen when you die in PvP, as you can see on the videos released for Gamescom.
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
Really what about WvWvW?
To SB fans, please stop making our demographic look bad.Stop invading threads that have nothing to do with sandboxes.
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Well guess what, that video of TOR's combat in the OP? It's level 1 combat as well bro.
We can all have our own opinions, I'm not bashing GW2, I think it looks cool and I'll play it, but I'm freaking tired of people coming in here saying it is uber awesomely more awesome than the shit boring TOR, when there is nothing pointing to that.
In fact, I just saw a GW2 walkthrough of 20+ minutes were a charr engineer basically spammed 1 ability during the entirety of that video. That's at level 1, I understand that. Is it uber excitiingly more awesome than anything in the TOR level 1 demo? No.
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
lmao. Are you reading my mind? All the pre-release irritability. It's the same before every big MMO release.
You load planets when you "fly" there with your ship (which is logical, you can't just step from one planet to the next).
Most planets are much much bigger than an Aion zone though.
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
they probably already have it working, but are waiting until its polished up enough to be publicly shown.
as in, they already could show us but it still needs some work, and in accuality its such a simple idea that it can be belived without much problem
Hey at least it looks better than Tera. Geez am I tired of swords the size of a horse.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
BOOYAKA!
Opinions, IMO Tera looks like a real mmorpg (just like GW2 and Archeage) while SWTOR is just a kiddies first mmorpg catering to the lowest common denominator.
And the beta leaks aren't encouraging at all.