I don't realy see the problem people have with this kind of rmt. It's like thinkin for example before wow raid to get gold for pots and food I have to farm 2 hours first or else it's cheating if we kill the bosses. It's all about if you have time or not. You pay for servises someone else have time to do instead of you. It's not about buying a boss kill.
And about these Pay to win thoughts. In current games its already more like Steal to win because all these sucky "come join our raid and must have 10000 Gearscore and all achievments in game" wich practically means "come give me your time so I can get free gea without working".
"The bottom line here is that player and account safety is job number one."
Playing Devil's Advocate myself, I think it's the uncertainty and lack of trust is the only thing that keeps RMT from becoming overwhelming. I know I never purchased any services like that, not because I'm a purist, but because I don't trust some RMTer with my credit card.
Taking that away is a bad idea... because rather than being a dirty little secret everyone knows about, yet still used fundimentally by a minority of players, it now becomes not only an option, but it's as easy as 1-2-3. Everyone *will* have to participate in it, or they will be at a severe disadvantage.
I'm not a fan of that, and it saddens me that Blizz is legitimizing it.
As a player through years of the original Diablo and still the owner of a legit level 99 barb and some high-level necros in D2, I have been trying to work my way through the agreements and objections to this apparent new development when D3 comes out. I am not sure how many players here are D2 fans, but I do remember that, playing constantly all the way through to getting my level 99 barbarian I NEVER saw a Grandfather drop, and I never saw a Windforce drop. Blizzard made it insanely tough to get any elite weaponry/armor/rings/amulets, although for a while when you had your Stone of Jordan gambling kit (Manald Heal ring and Nagelring) they let you have a decent chance at gambling with vendors to get a SoJ.
I will say that it was frustrating, after years of playing, to never find even one good item (I think the best I ever found for a barb was a Stormshield, and a middle-of-the-road unique bow for my wife's Amazon). Blizzard pretty much forced people to buy things from sites like d2legit.com, because they could never find anything themselves. While I am not saying I did that, I can see why players, after years of being reamed in D2 by getting crappy drops, would turn to outside sites in frustration.
My guess is that, even with an online auction system, most legit players might LOOK at what things are worth but would avoid buying them, hoping to find their own items. If Blizzard makes it a little easier to find elite items in their game, the auctions would probably become pretty much a non-issue.
That being said, it shouldn't affect anyone other than PvP players who don't want to get nailed by some player with the best stuff in the game. Cooperative players, which is ALL I ever was in Diablo and D2, wouldn't be affected at all, other than by jealousy, which I think a lot of these objections, like it or not, sound like. Someone wants to pay for good stuff -- no skin off my nose.
Divorced as a result of my wife pitching a fit over Shepard dying in Mass Effect 3. Yes, that's right. Dumped for a fucking game. And a contingent of Russian lesbians in a stupid forum that is no longer in existence. Why? Because it was trivial bullshit, and because no one gives a shit about ME3 anymore. As I predicted three years ago.
As a player through years of the original Diablo and still the owner of a legit level 99 barb and some high-level necros in D2, I have been trying to work my way through the agreements and objections to this apparent new development when D3 comes out. I am not sure how many players here are D2 fans, but I do remember that, playing constantly all the way through to getting my level 99 barbarian I NEVER saw a Grandfather drop, and I never saw a Windforce drop. Blizzard made it insanely tough to get any elite weaponry/armor/rings/amulets, although for a while when you had your Stone of Jordan gambling kit (Manald Heal ring and Nagelring) they let you have a decent chance at gambling with vendors to get a SoJ.
I will say that it was frustrating, after years of playing, to never find even one good item (I think the best I ever found for a barb was a Stormshield, and a middle-of-the-road unique bow for my wife's Amazon). Blizzard pretty much forced people to buy things from sites like d2legit.com, because they could never find anything themselves. While I am not saying I did that, I can see why players, after years of being reamed in D2 by getting crappy drops, would turn to outside sites in frustration.
My guess is that, even with an online auction system, most legit players might LOOK at what things are worth but would avoid buying them, hoping to find their own items. If Blizzard makes it a little easier to find elite items in their game, the auctions would probably become pretty much a non-issue.
That being said, it shouldn't affect anyone other than PvP players who don't want to get nailed by some player with the best stuff in the game. Cooperative players, which is ALL I ever was in Diablo and D2, wouldn't be affected at all, other than by jealousy, which I think a lot of these objections, like it or not, sound like. Someone wants to pay for good stuff -- no skin off my nose.
Per what I highlighted... think about that for a second.
Blizzard is a company, out to make profit. After they sell you the box game, there are two potential sources of income off players. The first is expansions (or mini-expansions as DLC), the second in through posting fees and conversions fees related to the RMAH.
Blizzard is setting all the odds of all the drops. Now, considering that they're a company out to make profit, does it make more sense for them to increase or decrease the chance of something useful to drop for the class you're playing on?
Based on that... how do we know that Blizzard isn't going to skew the game's loot drop mechanics that reduce the odds of finding a rare item useful for your class, while increasing the odds for rare drops for other classes? We don't. For all we know, they could very well intend to skew the way rare items drop to force us into trading more... and thus promoting us to use their RMAH. Worst of all, we'd never conclusively know whether or not this was happening.
Originally posted by Ceridith Originally posted by CaptHerp
My guess is that, even with an online auction system, most legit players might LOOK at what things are worth but would avoid buying them, hoping to find their own items. If Blizzard makes it a little easier to find elite items in their game, the auctions would probably become pretty much a non-issue.
Per what I highlighted... think about that for a second. Blizzard is a company, out to make profit. After they sell you the box game, there are two potential sources of income off players. The first is expansions (or mini-expansions as DLC), the second in through posting fees and conversions fees related to the RMAH. Blizzard is setting all the odds of all the drops. Now, considering that they're a company out to make profit, does it make more sense for them to increase or decrease the chance of something useful to drop for the class you're playing on? Based on that... how do we know that Blizzard isn't going to skew the game's loot drop mechanics that reduce the odds of finding a rare item useful for your class, while increasing the odds for rare drops for other classes? We don't. For all we know, they could very well intend to skew the way rare items drop to force us into trading more... and thus promoting us to use their RMAH. Worst of all, we'd never conclusively know whether or not this was happening.
It would make more sense to have people trade a lot of lower level items since the AH fees are fixed. They aren't scaled until you try to cash out of the system. Lots of lower cost items make more money for Blizzard than a fewer expensive items.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
You're right -- we don't know. However, if I really wanted something, an in-game system has a much more "legit" air about it than an outside vendor, and if I were frustrated for years of not finding something, I'd probably pay the price. One thing to remember, also -- Blizzard would set the percentage of their take, but I don't think they could set the prices -- the seller would do that -- and the longer the game runs, the more of any particular item would be found, and the lower the price would drop. Anyone remember the hundreds of dollars a Grandfather sword originally went for on places like Ebay when the first ones were found? Not anymore.
Like I said, legit players would look at this stuff and hold off, just to see what they can find on their own. If enough time goes by, and they remain frustrated, they have a place to go that's in game and has no chance of being a hacked or duped item. If they can live with that, I wouldn't pass judgment on them. While I understand your point, and there really is no way of trusting Blizzard not to monkey with drop probabilities, you would be able to see if they started upping their percentage of the take, which would again make people to go to sites outside of the game to get their items. Blizzard could only mess with things so much before buyers AND sellers said "the heck with that!" and went elsewhere. Blizzard will ALWAYS balance the money they would make on something like this with the probability of driving players away and messing with their bottom line. Word travels fast in the gaming industry, and they couldn't mess with players for very long.
In any case, I see more positives than negatives with the in-game system, agree or disagree as you will.
Divorced as a result of my wife pitching a fit over Shepard dying in Mass Effect 3. Yes, that's right. Dumped for a fucking game. And a contingent of Russian lesbians in a stupid forum that is no longer in existence. Why? Because it was trivial bullshit, and because no one gives a shit about ME3 anymore. As I predicted three years ago.
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I don't realy see the problem people have with this kind of rmt. It's like thinkin for example before wow raid to get gold for pots and food I have to farm 2 hours first or else it's cheating if we kill the bosses. It's all about if you have time or not. You pay for servises someone else have time to do instead of you. It's not about buying a boss kill.
And about these Pay to win thoughts. In current games its already more like Steal to win because all these sucky "come join our raid and must have 10000 Gearscore and all achievments in game" wich practically means "come give me your time so I can get free gea without working".
"The bottom line here is that player and account safety is job number one."
Playing Devil's Advocate myself, I think it's the uncertainty and lack of trust is the only thing that keeps RMT from becoming overwhelming. I know I never purchased any services like that, not because I'm a purist, but because I don't trust some RMTer with my credit card.
Taking that away is a bad idea... because rather than being a dirty little secret everyone knows about, yet still used fundimentally by a minority of players, it now becomes not only an option, but it's as easy as 1-2-3. Everyone *will* have to participate in it, or they will be at a severe disadvantage.
I'm not a fan of that, and it saddens me that Blizz is legitimizing it.
As a player through years of the original Diablo and still the owner of a legit level 99 barb and some high-level necros in D2, I have been trying to work my way through the agreements and objections to this apparent new development when D3 comes out. I am not sure how many players here are D2 fans, but I do remember that, playing constantly all the way through to getting my level 99 barbarian I NEVER saw a Grandfather drop, and I never saw a Windforce drop. Blizzard made it insanely tough to get any elite weaponry/armor/rings/amulets, although for a while when you had your Stone of Jordan gambling kit (Manald Heal ring and Nagelring) they let you have a decent chance at gambling with vendors to get a SoJ.
I will say that it was frustrating, after years of playing, to never find even one good item (I think the best I ever found for a barb was a Stormshield, and a middle-of-the-road unique bow for my wife's Amazon). Blizzard pretty much forced people to buy things from sites like d2legit.com, because they could never find anything themselves. While I am not saying I did that, I can see why players, after years of being reamed in D2 by getting crappy drops, would turn to outside sites in frustration.
My guess is that, even with an online auction system, most legit players might LOOK at what things are worth but would avoid buying them, hoping to find their own items. If Blizzard makes it a little easier to find elite items in their game, the auctions would probably become pretty much a non-issue.
That being said, it shouldn't affect anyone other than PvP players who don't want to get nailed by some player with the best stuff in the game. Cooperative players, which is ALL I ever was in Diablo and D2, wouldn't be affected at all, other than by jealousy, which I think a lot of these objections, like it or not, sound like. Someone wants to pay for good stuff -- no skin off my nose.
Divorced as a result of my wife pitching a fit over Shepard dying in Mass Effect 3. Yes, that's right. Dumped for a fucking game. And a contingent of Russian lesbians in a stupid forum that is no longer in existence. Why? Because it was trivial bullshit, and because no one gives a shit about ME3 anymore. As I predicted three years ago.
Per what I highlighted... think about that for a second.
Blizzard is a company, out to make profit. After they sell you the box game, there are two potential sources of income off players. The first is expansions (or mini-expansions as DLC), the second in through posting fees and conversions fees related to the RMAH.
Blizzard is setting all the odds of all the drops. Now, considering that they're a company out to make profit, does it make more sense for them to increase or decrease the chance of something useful to drop for the class you're playing on?
Based on that... how do we know that Blizzard isn't going to skew the game's loot drop mechanics that reduce the odds of finding a rare item useful for your class, while increasing the odds for rare drops for other classes? We don't. For all we know, they could very well intend to skew the way rare items drop to force us into trading more... and thus promoting us to use their RMAH. Worst of all, we'd never conclusively know whether or not this was happening.
Blizzard is a company, out to make profit. After they sell you the box game, there are two potential sources of income off players. The first is expansions (or mini-expansions as DLC), the second in through posting fees and conversions fees related to the RMAH.
Blizzard is setting all the odds of all the drops. Now, considering that they're a company out to make profit, does it make more sense for them to increase or decrease the chance of something useful to drop for the class you're playing on?
Based on that... how do we know that Blizzard isn't going to skew the game's loot drop mechanics that reduce the odds of finding a rare item useful for your class, while increasing the odds for rare drops for other classes? We don't. For all we know, they could very well intend to skew the way rare items drop to force us into trading more... and thus promoting us to use their RMAH. Worst of all, we'd never conclusively know whether or not this was happening.
It would make more sense to have people trade a lot of lower level items since the AH fees are fixed. They aren't scaled until you try to cash out of the system. Lots of lower cost items make more money for Blizzard than a fewer expensive items.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
You're right -- we don't know. However, if I really wanted something, an in-game system has a much more "legit" air about it than an outside vendor, and if I were frustrated for years of not finding something, I'd probably pay the price. One thing to remember, also -- Blizzard would set the percentage of their take, but I don't think they could set the prices -- the seller would do that -- and the longer the game runs, the more of any particular item would be found, and the lower the price would drop. Anyone remember the hundreds of dollars a Grandfather sword originally went for on places like Ebay when the first ones were found? Not anymore.
Like I said, legit players would look at this stuff and hold off, just to see what they can find on their own. If enough time goes by, and they remain frustrated, they have a place to go that's in game and has no chance of being a hacked or duped item. If they can live with that, I wouldn't pass judgment on them. While I understand your point, and there really is no way of trusting Blizzard not to monkey with drop probabilities, you would be able to see if they started upping their percentage of the take, which would again make people to go to sites outside of the game to get their items. Blizzard could only mess with things so much before buyers AND sellers said "the heck with that!" and went elsewhere. Blizzard will ALWAYS balance the money they would make on something like this with the probability of driving players away and messing with their bottom line. Word travels fast in the gaming industry, and they couldn't mess with players for very long.
In any case, I see more positives than negatives with the in-game system, agree or disagree as you will.
Divorced as a result of my wife pitching a fit over Shepard dying in Mass Effect 3. Yes, that's right. Dumped for a fucking game. And a contingent of Russian lesbians in a stupid forum that is no longer in existence. Why? Because it was trivial bullshit, and because no one gives a shit about ME3 anymore. As I predicted three years ago.