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Torchlight 2 is everything Diablo 3 isn't Interview

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  • CeridithCeridith Member UncommonPosts: 2,980

    Originally posted by fivoroth

    Torchlight will most likely be a good game but it won't even have a 1/100th of Diablo's playerbase. 

    That's very arguably a good thing, considering the average B.net gamer.

  • zethcarnzethcarn Member UncommonPosts: 1,558

    Originally posted by Ceridith

    Originally posted by fivoroth

    Torchlight will most likely be a good game but it won't even have a 1/100th of Diablo's playerbase. 

    That's very arguably a good thing, considering the average B.net gamer.

    a) Good thing you can play single player.  b) Good thing we can make friends or do clan runs.  c) What makes you think TL2's community will be better?

  • UnlightUnlight Member Posts: 2,540

    Originally posted by lizardbones

     




    Originally posted by Unlight





    Originally posted by lizardbones

     







    Originally posted by slicknslim88

    Interviewers in today's gaming age need to be asking a few things to the people they are interviewing.  I'm not going to get into all of them but one BIG one is simply the question you should probably start out with when you interview a dev:

    "What does your game bring to the industry thats fresh and new and what does it have that it's competitors don't?"

    In this case it's Diablo 3 that is the competitor to T2, and I think we all know what T2 has that D3 doesn't by now.  They actually joke about it in the video. 

    Now I wanna see somebody come up to a Blizzard head honcho dev guy and ask him:

    "What does Diablo 3 have that Torchlight 2 doesn't?"

    Pretty sure they would get a big, "Uhhhhhhh......"

    "And how much is your game vs Torchlight 2?"

    Response:  "Uhhhhhh....."












    That would be because TL2 isn't even on Blizzard's radar. D3 effectively has no real competition. People who were going to buy D3 are still going to buy D3. They might buy TL2 in addition to D3, but it's not going to stop them from buy D3.



    The same thing can be said about Path of Exile. It's not going to have any impact on D3's sales.



    ** edit **

    I plan on buying TL2. I'm on the fence with D3...it really depends on if the people I game with buy it too.

     






    I was going to buy D3 and now I'm not.  I'd actually planned on buying both D3 and TL2, now I'm going to settle for TL2 alone.  I was disappointed at first, but now, I'm mostly over it.  I won't be missing D3.  It's really not that hard to write off a game if sufficiently motivated.  I'll thank Blizzard for that.







    Are you skipping D3 because TL2 is going to exist, or are you skipping D3 because of the mechanics that Blizzard has announced? i.e. The real money AH, always requiring an internet connection and not having mods.



    If TL2 did not exist, would you still be buying D3?

     

    Even without TL2, I'd be staying far away from D3.  To get my fix, I'll be doing the same thing I'm doing today -- playing Titan Quest until one of the MMOs I'm waiting on releases. 

  • UnlightUnlight Member Posts: 2,540

    Originally posted by zethcarn

    Originally posted by Ceridith

    Originally posted by fivoroth

    Torchlight will most likely be a good game but it won't even have a 1/100th of Diablo's playerbase. 

    That's very arguably a good thing, considering the average B.net gamer.

    a) Good thing you can play single player.  b) Good thing we can make friends or do clan runs.  c) What makes you think TL2's community will be better?

    It won't be D3's. 

  • cybersurfrcybersurfr Member UncommonPosts: 168

    Excellent! Competition is a good thing - it's what drives the market.

    I personally wouldn't buy TL2 - it just does not interest me in the slightest. Perhaps if their release did not coincide with Diablo 3 (and Guild Wars 2), it would have been another story. I remember playing the Diablo 1 demo (off one of those old PC magazines) as a kid and how amazed I was. I await the full release of D3 in anticipation, now as an adult, with the same kind of excitement.

    That aside, I am grateful for the direction TL2's developers are taking. I was never really that impressed with Torchlight (or Fate if you track back further). However, the progress they have made since that game is remarkable especiallly considering the short time they gave themselves into crafting TL2. That is indicative of how driven these guys are. I will pass off TL2, but at the rate they are going, I just might be on the look out for TL3.

  • WilliacWilliac Member Posts: 212

    The first Torchlight was nothing more than a bad game. Everything in that game was bad. Simply bad.

  • NeikoNeiko Member UncommonPosts: 626

    Originally posted by mxish

    There is one big issue with diablo 3's RMAH. If you are not a hardcore player that is willing to spend money, dont even bother playing diablo 3's "endgame".  NO ONE is going to put the best items up on the normal AH and NO ONE is going to trade said items when they know they can get a decent amount of cash for it. unless you find those items yourself, you will never have them.

    If you plan to play this game without dropping more money into it.... gl, it will be short lived.

    Sooo. You NEED to use the auction house to play a single player end game because?...

    You can just play the game normally, never touch the auction house, and you can still play the end game just as fine. I still don't understand why people think they need to buy the best gear to do so called "end game" in a single player game. Before you could buy the equipment, someone had to do the content that dropped it. So I don't see what's wrong with going into said end game content without end game gear.

    Also, I've read numerous times that the best gear is bind on acquire. So why would the AH affect end game anyways?

  • cybersurfrcybersurfr Member UncommonPosts: 168

    Originally posted by Neiko

    Originally posted by mxish

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    Also, I've read numerous times that the best gear is bind on acquire.

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    Just to clarify:

    Source: http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=27807930581&sid=3000&pageNo=2



    "Yeah, we realized that binding is kind of a crappy way to pull items out of the economy. If you say that the average player produces 100 items an hour and maybe gets 1 upgrade in that time, then binding at best can account for removing 1% of items from the economy. And that's being very generous at high levels.



    Binding isn't really substantial in making a viable economy, but it is really good at establishing item prestige. Which is how it's used in WoW.



    We expect salvaging to be compelling enough to remove a good percentage of the most valuable items from the economy. High end components obtained from salvaging high end items are needed for high end crafting and enhancement.



    We're not promising anything on patch content, but we also feel that keeping up on introducing new items consistently will keep it from being possible for a glut of the best items from building as 'the best' can be a constantly moving target.
    "

  • NeikoNeiko Member UncommonPosts: 626

    Originally posted by cybersurfr

    Originally posted by Neiko


    Originally posted by mxish

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    Also, I've read numerous times that the best gear is bind on acquire.

    ...

     

    Just to clarify:

    Source: http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=27807930581&sid=3000&pageNo=2



    "Yeah, we realized that binding is kind of a crappy way to pull items out of the economy. If you say that the average player produces 100 items an hour and maybe gets 1 upgrade in that time, then binding at best can account for removing 1% of items from the economy. And that's being very generous at high levels.



    Binding isn't really substantial in making a viable economy, but it is really good at establishing item prestige. Which is how it's used in WoW.



    We expect salvaging to be compelling enough to remove a good percentage of the most valuable items from the economy. High end components obtained from salvaging high end items are needed for high end crafting and enhancement.



    We're not promising anything on patch content, but we also feel that keeping up on introducing new items consistently will keep it from being possible for a glut of the best items from building as 'the best' can be a constantly moving target.
    "

    I see, so they're not having bind on acquire items now? They're making those items required for better items, and trying to make new items constantly so if you always want the best gear you're constantly trying every so often? Kinda cool. That is if they keep putting out new items, but I don't see how they would keep doing that years after when they could spend the work hours elsewhere.

    Thanks for clarifying though! tys

  • ThomasN7ThomasN7 87.18.7.148Member CommonPosts: 6,690

    Originally posted by Neiko

    Originally posted by cybersurfr


    Originally posted by Neiko


    Originally posted by mxish

    ...
    ...

    Also, I've read numerous times that the best gear is bind on acquire.

    ...

     

    Just to clarify:

    Source: http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=27807930581&sid=3000&pageNo=2



    "Yeah, we realized that binding is kind of a crappy way to pull items out of the economy. If you say that the average player produces 100 items an hour and maybe gets 1 upgrade in that time, then binding at best can account for removing 1% of items from the economy. And that's being very generous at high levels.



    Binding isn't really substantial in making a viable economy, but it is really good at establishing item prestige. Which is how it's used in WoW.



    We expect salvaging to be compelling enough to remove a good percentage of the most valuable items from the economy. High end components obtained from salvaging high end items are needed for high end crafting and enhancement.



    We're not promising anything on patch content, but we also feel that keeping up on introducing new items consistently will keep it from being possible for a glut of the best items from building as 'the best' can be a constantly moving target.
    "

    I see, so they're not having bind on acquire items now? They're making those items required for better items, and trying to make new items constantly so if you always want the best gear you're constantly trying every so often? Kinda cool. That is if they keep putting out new items, but I don't see how they would keep doing that years after when they could spend the work hours elsewhere.

    Thanks for clarifying though! tys

    No bind on equip items because you wouldn't be able to put them on the real money auction house for sale.

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  • slicknslim88slicknslim88 Member Posts: 394

    I'm finding all you D3 fans pulling the "you don't have to use the RMAH you noobs, so stop bitching about it!!1" argument.  Now let me carefully explain to you how much of a tiger bomb this is going to put on this games nuts regardless. (Tropic Thunder line, Danny Mcbride ftw!)

    2 different auction houses, 1 for gold, 1 for real money.  Real money is optional (and costly) while the gold one is presumably going to come with the game.

    Now what happens when you can pretty much buy infinite gold off of the RMAH with real money?  It makes the regular gold auction house completely USELESS!  Because the gold prices on that auction house will be so incredibly inflated from the people who are dumping large amounts of cash in the game, that the people who are choosing not to use it, can't use either one of them now.

    This effectively forces any competitive player to have to use the RMAH in order to stay on par with the crazies that are dumping money into the RMAH...probably koreans.

    And casual players might as well write off both auction houses because they are going to be so inflated by the hardcore that it won't be practical to use either.  Which means they aren't getting a huge chunk of the game because they either have morals and won't contribute to the debauchery that is the RMAH, or that they just can't afford it.

  • NeikoNeiko Member UncommonPosts: 626

    Originally posted by slicknslim88

    I'm finding all you D3 fans pulling the "you don't have to use the RMAH you noobs, so stop bitching about it!!1" argument.  Now let me carefully explain to you how much of a tiger bomb this is going to put on this games nuts regardless. (Tropic Thunder line, Danny Mcbride ftw!)

    2 different auction houses, 1 for gold, 1 for real money.  Real money is optional (and costly) while the gold one is presumably going to come with the game.

    Now what happens when you can pretty much buy infinite gold off of the RMAH with real money?  It makes the regular gold auction house completely USELESS!  Because the gold prices on that auction house will be so incredibly inflated from the people who are dumping large amounts of cash in the game, that the people who are choosing not to use it, can't use either one of them now.

    This effectively forces any competitive player to have to use the RMAH in order to stay on par with the crazies that are dumping money into the RMAH...probably koreans.

    And casual players might as well write off both auction houses because they are going to be so inflated by the hardcore that it won't be practical to use either.  Which means they aren't getting a huge chunk of the game because they either have morals and won't contribute to the debauchery that is the RMAH, or that they just can't afford it.

    And you need to use the auction house why? To even get the items in the first place, someone had to do the content that you can do. It's not like buy2win cash shop. Someone had to put them there, and you can get them normally by playing.

  • saurus123saurus123 Member UncommonPosts: 678

    Originally posted by Neiko

    Originally posted by slicknslim88

    I'm finding all you D3 fans pulling the "you don't have to use the RMAH you noobs, so stop bitching about it!!1" argument.  Now let me carefully explain to you how much of a tiger bomb this is going to put on this games nuts regardless. (Tropic Thunder line, Danny Mcbride ftw!)

    2 different auction houses, 1 for gold, 1 for real money.  Real money is optional (and costly) while the gold one is presumably going to come with the game.

    Now what happens when you can pretty much buy infinite gold off of the RMAH with real money?  It makes the regular gold auction house completely USELESS!  Because the gold prices on that auction house will be so incredibly inflated from the people who are dumping large amounts of cash in the game, that the people who are choosing not to use it, can't use either one of them now.

    This effectively forces any competitive player to have to use the RMAH in order to stay on par with the crazies that are dumping money into the RMAH...probably koreans.

    And casual players might as well write off both auction houses because they are going to be so inflated by the hardcore that it won't be practical to use either.  Which means they aren't getting a huge chunk of the game because they either have morals and won't contribute to the debauchery that is the RMAH, or that they just can't afford it.

    And you need to use the auction house why? To even get the items in the first place, someone had to do the content that you can do. It's not like buy2win cash shop. Someone had to put them there, and you can get them normally by playing.

    be sure there will be enough farmers and botters to  put any item on AH, so if someone thinking he get rich that way hes wrong

  • DerWotanDerWotan Member Posts: 1,012

    not only farmers botters also some "players" (= blizz employees) farming and putting stuff into it, so Kotick can make even more ****

     

    We need a MMORPG Cataclysm asap, finish the dark age of MMORPGS now!

    "Everything you're bitching about is wrong. People don't have the time to invest in corpse runs, impossible zones, or long winded quests. Sometimes, they just want to pop on and play."
    "Then maybe MMORPGs aren't for you."

  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,407

    I do not think this RMAH will affect me in any way since I play and get my own items. I have never traded or bought anything from anyone else in Diablo 2. I used to play with some friends and we shared what we got and end of story how does RMAH going to affect me ? I am quite confused.

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  • NeikoNeiko Member UncommonPosts: 626

    Originally posted by saurus123

    Originally posted by Neiko


    Originally posted by slicknslim88

    I'm finding all you D3 fans pulling the "you don't have to use the RMAH you noobs, so stop bitching about it!!1" argument.  Now let me carefully explain to you how much of a tiger bomb this is going to put on this games nuts regardless. (Tropic Thunder line, Danny Mcbride ftw!)

    2 different auction houses, 1 for gold, 1 for real money.  Real money is optional (and costly) while the gold one is presumably going to come with the game.

    Now what happens when you can pretty much buy infinite gold off of the RMAH with real money?  It makes the regular gold auction house completely USELESS!  Because the gold prices on that auction house will be so incredibly inflated from the people who are dumping large amounts of cash in the game, that the people who are choosing not to use it, can't use either one of them now.

    This effectively forces any competitive player to have to use the RMAH in order to stay on par with the crazies that are dumping money into the RMAH...probably koreans.

    And casual players might as well write off both auction houses because they are going to be so inflated by the hardcore that it won't be practical to use either.  Which means they aren't getting a huge chunk of the game because they either have morals and won't contribute to the debauchery that is the RMAH, or that they just can't afford it.

    And you need to use the auction house why? To even get the items in the first place, someone had to do the content that you can do. It's not like buy2win cash shop. Someone had to put them there, and you can get them normally by playing.

    be sure there will be enough farmers and botters to  put any item on AH, so if someone thinking he get rich that way hes wrong

    Again, you're going around the question. Why do you NEED to use the auction house?

  • RateroRatero Member UncommonPosts: 440

    IF I was Blizzard with a RMAH in the works.... I think I would "seed" the AH with items that would bring in more money.  Afterall, other people will be sellling items in the RMAH why should Blizzard be any different and forgo another source of income?


  • ThekandyThekandy Member Posts: 621

    Originally posted by Rhonen

    IF I was Blizzard with a RMAH in the works.... I think I would "seed" the AH with items that would bring in more money.  Afterall, other people will be sellling items in the RMAH why should Blizzard be any different and forgo another source of income?

    Good thing you're not Blizzard then, isn't it.

  • zethcarnzethcarn Member UncommonPosts: 1,558

    Originally posted by Rhonen

    IF I was Blizzard with a RMAH in the works.... I think I would "seed" the AH with items that would bring in more money.  Afterall, other people will be sellling items in the RMAH why should Blizzard be any different and forgo another source of income?

    They have already stated they aren't going to do this.  Besides,  the listing fees they will make off this is really, really minimal income compared to the money they already make off box sales and WoW subs.  I'm sure the fees they make will go into server maintenance for battle.net -  which is not just for Diablo 3 but Starcraft 2 as well.  And probably also on more game development...I'm fine with both.

  • slicknslim88slicknslim88 Member Posts: 394

    Originally posted by Neiko

    Originally posted by slicknslim88

    I'm finding all you D3 fans pulling the "you don't have to use the RMAH you noobs, so stop bitching about it!!1" argument.  Now let me carefully explain to you how much of a tiger bomb this is going to put on this games nuts regardless. (Tropic Thunder line, Danny Mcbride ftw!)

    2 different auction houses, 1 for gold, 1 for real money.  Real money is optional (and costly) while the gold one is presumably going to come with the game.

    Now what happens when you can pretty much buy infinite gold off of the RMAH with real money?  It makes the regular gold auction house completely USELESS!  Because the gold prices on that auction house will be so incredibly inflated from the people who are dumping large amounts of cash in the game, that the people who are choosing not to use it, can't use either one of them now.

    This effectively forces any competitive player to have to use the RMAH in order to stay on par with the crazies that are dumping money into the RMAH...probably koreans.

    And casual players might as well write off both auction houses because they are going to be so inflated by the hardcore that it won't be practical to use either.  Which means they aren't getting a huge chunk of the game because they either have morals and won't contribute to the debauchery that is the RMAH, or that they just can't afford it.

    And you need to use the auction house why? To even get the items in the first place, someone had to do the content that you can do. It's not like buy2win cash shop. Someone had to put them there, and you can get them normally by playing.



    You missed my point.  Because of the things I stated in the above post, both auction houses will be unavailable for casual players and those with morals and money constraints.  Which means your not getting part of what the initial 60 dollars should give you all because of the existence of the RMAH.

    It doesn't matter if you want to use the auction houses, you should still have the option to if you want to.  Their should be that choice...but there isn't anymore.  All thanks to Blizzard's greed.

  • slicknslim88slicknslim88 Member Posts: 394

    That's interesting...just this morning it was just like Justin Bieber's Facebook page up in this mutha f***er now alluva sudden it's quiet as a church...

    Where are you D3 fans and your twisted logic of fairness?

    One thing that really urks me about you D3 fans is that the sole reason your sticking up for D3 is because of Blizzard's track record.  Sure, they have an incredible track record, they seem to make good games.  But when was the last time they thought about the player before their profits?  Was probably way back when they came out with Diablo and Diablo 2.  Maybe just before WoW?  Certainly not anytime soon.

    Every loathsome feature that Blizzard is putting in Diablo 3 is the company solely thinking about their profits and not about their customers.  The online only is them doing their damnedest to keep people from pirating their game at the customers expense.  Even though good PC games still make a helluva profit even with pirates out there, otherwise nobody would make PC games anymore.  A fair effort at getting the money they deserve to be sure...but at one point they should have thought of what the consequences of it would be for their customers.

    The RMAH is them trying to get a chunk of money off of the people who sell D2 items on ebay for real money.  Now they want a piece of that cash pie.  Again, thinking about their profits instead of the shitstorm that the RMAH is going to cause in the game for the players.  This one I don't agree with as much as the online only, simply because customers should be able to do whatever they want with the game they buy.  Whether or not they sell the items they find on ebay is really up to whoever may buy it.  But thats the players perogative to do that.  Again, Blizzard is just thinking about the profit they are missing out on, instead of the consequences for their customers.

    No LAN play is another garbage move by Blizzard.  I'm not going to get into that one, that just sucks through and through for everybody.

    So how much loyalty do you D3 players have for Blizzard?  Sure they used to be a great company, but they have fallen so far, and it may be time for yall to rethink your loyalties.  Sure the game will probably be great...but truly at what cost??

  • CeridithCeridith Member UncommonPosts: 2,980

    Originally posted by zethcarn

    Originally posted by Rhonen

    IF I was Blizzard with a RMAH in the works.... I think I would "seed" the AH with items that would bring in more money.  Afterall, other people will be sellling items in the RMAH why should Blizzard be any different and forgo another source of income?

    They have already stated they aren't going to do this.  Besides,  the listing fees they will make off this is really, really minimal income compared to the money they already make off box sales and WoW subs.  I'm sure the fees they make will go into server maintenance for battle.net -  which is not just for Diablo 3 but Starcraft 2 as well.  And probably also on more game development...I'm fine with both.

    Blizzard has also said...

    They would never allow character transfers from non-pvp to PvP servers for WoW.

    that they feel RMT ruins the spirit of gameplay [WoW].

    and because of that...

    they would never sell ingame [WoW] items for real money.

    Yeah... Blizzard has a history of going back on their word, especially when it makes them more money.

  • expressoexpresso Member UncommonPosts: 2,218

    Originally posted by Ceridith

    Originally posted by zethcarn


    Originally posted by Rhonen

    IF I was Blizzard with a RMAH in the works.... I think I would "seed" the AH with items that would bring in more money.  Afterall, other people will be sellling items in the RMAH why should Blizzard be any different and forgo another source of income?

    They have already stated they aren't going to do this.  Besides,  the listing fees they will make off this is really, really minimal income compared to the money they already make off box sales and WoW subs.  I'm sure the fees they make will go into server maintenance for battle.net -  which is not just for Diablo 3 but Starcraft 2 as well.  And probably also on more game development...I'm fine with both.

    Blizzard has also said...

    They would never allow character transfers from non-pvp to PvP servers for WoW.

    I would like to see the legal document where Blizzard said this would "NEVER" happen, sure a dev might have said we wont do this but do you honestly think he speaks for the whole company?  And now the company has to abide by that?

    that they feel RMT ruins the spirit of gameplay [WoW].

    RMT of pet's does nothing to the spirit of gameplay.

    and because of that...

    they would never sell ingame [WoW] items for real money.

    They don't, pets/mounts cannot be got ingame only in the shop

    Yeah... Blizzard has a history of going back on their word, especially when it makes them more money.

    Just like any other company, what's you're point?

    What I have got from this post is that Blizzard is apparently a shadey criminal organisation who's sole purpose is to make money for Kotick.  Well we are all entitled to our own opinions even if they akin to a bad movie plot.

    First off Kotick does not own blizzard are make decisions for them and Blizzard is a huge company who's books and dealing are mostly public and those that are not open to their shareholders, so anything dodgy would fast find a way out to the public.

    The online requirement has both positive and negatives the only negative being that a tiny vocal minority wont be able to play to the game while traveing, the posiives are cloud saves, reduced bots and hacks, huge community to play with and more.  Why should Blizzard design their game for 1% of the player base?

    The no modding issue well D1/2 never officaly were moddable? the mods were game file hacks nothing more so blizzard has not taken away anything.

    The RMAH an optional tool for those who want to use it, just cus jonny has spent $100 on gear it effects you 0% unless you group with him or meet him the PvP Areans, please note blizzard is not tuning the game for PvP so wether he has bought top end gear or not the fact you lost could be down to many other factors.  And one more thing about RMAH some think of this is a cash shop, it's not, a player has to find the item worthy of putting on the RMAH and chose not to break it down, use it himself, save it for an alt or give it to a friend.  The small fee blizzard takes for transactions what little is let after paypal takes there cut would go to paying the huge cost it takes to run BNET 2.0 and also keep BNET 1.0 running.

    Blizzard have taken a bold move with online requirment and RMAH - considering many think blizzard always play it safe and waits for others to prove a concept before they adopt it this is rather ballsy of them.  If anything you should be applauding but because it the big evil blizzard you can't do that cus it aint cool.

    Touchlight 2 is not seeling for $20 cus the devs love their players more it's selling for $20 cus that what it's worth and they know it wont sell for $60.  Not saying T2 is a bad game but I want to play the real thing (D3) not a quick knock off.

  • VesaviusVesavius Member RarePosts: 7,908

    Originally posted by Rhonen

    IF I was Blizzard with a RMAH in the works.... I think I would "seed" the AH with items that would bring in more money.  Afterall, other people will be sellling items in the RMAH why should Blizzard be any different and forgo another source of income?

     

    So just because your happy and ready to act in a fraudulent mannert you project that on to others?

    Nice.

  • IAmMMOIAmMMO Member UncommonPosts: 1,462

    I'm just not interested in D3 after  watching beta streams of it.  

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