IMO TOR will be very successful due to bioware and star wars. I know BW makes good games and TOR will be no exception. You think this board reflects what a games success will be like? lol. This board doesn't even represent 1% of MMO community. According to this board WoW should be dead with 2 subscriber but guess what? Well you already know the answer. I think TOR will find great success among casual players (who makes up 95% of MMO community), Star wars fan, Single player BW RPG fans, The fact that TOR is a similar to Mass effect and KOTOR will bring more console fans into an MMO like no other. It will be a success and It will make themeparks even more popular.
As for GW2 i honestly don't see it succeeding, it will be one of those good games that no one will play. Simply most casuals will rather play traiditional star wars bio ware game than Korean published MMORPG. I think guild wars 2 is riding the hype train from internet boards such as this and yet again we will see that internet hype doesn't indicate anything. IMO GW 2 fans are in for a rude awakening when the game comes out. My cousin he works at Gamestop. He told me he asked around 500 customers one day about these 2 games. And he said not more than 10 people knew what guild wars is, let alone GW 2. But over 70% of the people knew what star wars old republic was and was eager to play it. And around half the people had it for pre-order already.
IMO you guys need to stop living in your dream world and face the reality. Casuals who makes a game success don't read previews, they don't come to this board, they couldn't care less about what you think. They would rather be a jedi than a necromencer lol. And they don't give a s*** about combat style. The more traditional the better. That's why WoW is so popular and thats why SWTOR will be popular. You can always play other games if you don't like where this industry is going but companies don't cater for people like you and me anymore (hardcore), We don't make them money casuals do. So if you can like a game for what it is then good but if not, then i am sorry what else can i say. Companies are happy to lose your business because they would rather keep the 95% playerbase than those 100 people who are crying about Themepark games.
Action Combat will be like FFA-PvP in the recent mmos.
Some Fans and some Media will applaud loud - the games will fail.
Then they will blame that sandboxyness of the games for be not appealing...
action combat was tried in DCUO.. though whether that was the reason for the games lack of success is.. hard to determine.. as the number of factors unrelated to the control system are not exactly insignificant.. if SW;TOR succeeds then its likely that we'll see more of the WoW style combat with cooldowns and power/ability rotations etc.. action based combat is likely to remain in the province of single player games
We may all scoff at action type combat in MMO's but i for one wouldn't mind seeing that which was in Star Wars The Force Unleashed 2.
If it does well,that tells companies that there is still a market for the traditional MMO.
If it does poorly I can see some companies trying to mix things up.
TOR makes for an interesting catalyst though,given the games hefty development cost.
Actually, I was thinking that if it does well it will communicate to the rest of the MMO developers that you can only have successful "traditional" MMOs by spending boatloads of money on development costs, thereby driving more potential developers out of the field.
I would think that a lot of game developers are looking at this and making development plans based on the eventual ROI.
Granted, what constitutes "success" and "failure" have yet to be determined. WoW didn't become a juggernaut with 10+ million followers on launch day, or even the first year for that matter.
IMO TOR will be very successful due to bioware and star wars. I know BW makes good games and TOR will be no exception. You think this board reflects what a games success will be like? lol. This board doesn't even represent 1% of MMO community. According to this board WoW should be dead with 2 subscriber but guess what? Well you already know the answer. I think TOR will find great success among casual players (who makes up 95% of MMO community), Star wars fan, Single player BW RPG fans, The fact that TOR is a similar to Mass effect and KOTOR will bring more console fans into an MMO like no other. It will be a success and It will make themeparks even more popular.
As for GW2 i honestly don't see it succeeding, it will be one of those good games that no one will play. Simply most casuals will rather play traiditional star wars bio ware game than Korean published MMORPG. I think guild wars 2 is riding the hype train from internet boards such as this and yet again we will see that internet hype doesn't indicate anything. IMO GW 2 fans are in for a rude awakening when the game comes out. My cousin he works at Gamestop. He told me he asked around 500 customers one day about these 2 games. And he said not more than 10 people knew what guild wars is, let alone GW 2. But over 70% of the people knew what star wars old republic was and was eager to play it. And around half the people had it for pre-order already.
IMO you guys need to stop living in your dream world and face the reality. Casuals who makes a game success don't read previews, they don't come to this board, they couldn't care less about what you think. They would rather be a jedi than a necromencer lol. And they don't give a s*** about combat style. The more traditional the better. That's why WoW is so popular and thats why SWTOR will be popular. You can always play other games if you don't like where this industry is going but companies don't cater for people like you and me anymore (hardcore), We don't make them money casuals do. So if you can like a game for what it is then good but if not, then i am sorry what else can i say. Companies are happy to lose your business because they would rather keep the 95% playerbase than those 100 people who are crying about Themepark games.
I'm gunna enjoy it when this guys "prophecy" is proven to be a bunch of BS. Also no I think we will still see the same formula used over and over for years to come. SWTOR will not be the last.
IMO TOR will be very successful due to bioware and star wars. I know BW makes good games and TOR will be no exception. You think this board reflects what a games success will be like? lol. This board doesn't even represent 1% of MMO community. According to this board WoW should be dead with 2 subscriber but guess what? Well you already know the answer. I think TOR will find great success among casual players (who makes up 95% of MMO community), Star wars fan, Single player BW RPG fans, The fact that TOR is a similar to Mass effect and KOTOR will bring more console fans into an MMO like no other. It will be a success and It will make themeparks even more popular.
As for GW2 i honestly don't see it succeeding, it will be one of those good games that no one will play. Simply most casuals will rather play traiditional star wars bio ware game than Korean published MMORPG. I think guild wars 2 is riding the hype train from internet boards such as this and yet again we will see that internet hype doesn't indicate anything. IMO GW 2 fans are in for a rude awakening when the game comes out. My cousin he works at Gamestop. He told me he asked around 500 customers one day about these 2 games. And he said not more than 10 people knew what guild wars is, let alone GW 2. But over 70% of the people knew what star wars old republic was and was eager to play it. And around half the people had it for pre-order already.
IMO you guys need to stop living in your dream world and face the reality. Casuals who makes a game success don't read previews, they don't come to this board, they couldn't care less about what you think. They would rather be a jedi than a necromencer lol. And they don't give a s*** about combat style. The more traditional the better. That's why WoW is so popular and thats why SWTOR will be popular. You can always play other games if you don't like where this industry is going but companies don't cater for people like you and me anymore (hardcore), We don't make them money casuals do. So if you can like a game for what it is then good but if not, then i am sorry what else can i say. Companies are happy to lose your business because they would rather keep the 95% playerbase than those 100 people who are crying about Themepark games.
I'm gunna enjoy it when this guys "prophecy" is proven to be a bunch of BS. Also no I think we will still see the same formula used over and over for years to come. SWTOR will not be the last.
i think he was proposing that SW;TOR was going to be immensly successful, but that GW2 wasnt really in the public eye due to lack of 'advertising' or whatever.. though that could all change if Arenanet engage in a major publicity drive prior to release.. as i would expect, Bioware to also do.. so while GW2 might not be that well known, i doubt that will be the case for long... at least.. not if Arenanet has any sense. still.. i see both SW;TOR and GW2 being very successful. not that i see them competing with each other...
If TOR makes money this style of MMO will be popular and emulated over and over again until another game with different mechanics makes more money.
In business this is the bottom line that drives production, regardless of what the "mainstays" say whether they be the fans who ushered this genre into existence or the media (who sometimes are the same people) the industry has been crying out quite vocally for games different from WOW since WOW took the top spot and that hasn't stopped all the games that have been designed to take advantage of things popularized by Blizzard.
IMO TOR will be very successful due to bioware and star wars. I know BW makes good games and TOR will be no exception. You think this board reflects what a games success will be like? lol. This board doesn't even represent 1% of MMO community. According to this board WoW should be dead with 2 subscriber but guess what? Well you already know the answer. I think TOR will find great success among casual players (who makes up 95% of MMO community), Star wars fan, Single player BW RPG fans, The fact that TOR is a similar to Mass effect and KOTOR will bring more console fans into an MMO like no other. It will be a success and It will make themeparks even more popular.
As for GW2 i honestly don't see it succeeding, it will be one of those good games that no one will play. Simply most casuals will rather play traiditional star wars bio ware game than Korean published MMORPG. I think guild wars 2 is riding the hype train from internet boards such as this and yet again we will see that internet hype doesn't indicate anything. IMO GW 2 fans are in for a rude awakening when the game comes out. My cousin he works at Gamestop. He told me he asked around 500 customers one day about these 2 games. And he said not more than 10 people knew what guild wars is, let alone GW 2. But over 70% of the people knew what star wars old republic was and was eager to play it. And around half the people had it for pre-order already.
IMO you guys need to stop living in your dream world and face the reality. Casuals who makes a game success don't read previews, they don't come to this board, they couldn't care less about what you think. They would rather be a jedi than a necromencer lol. And they don't give a s*** about combat style. The more traditional the better. That's why WoW is so popular and thats why SWTOR will be popular. You can always play other games if you don't like where this industry is going but companies don't cater for people like you and me anymore (hardcore), We don't make them money casuals do. So if you can like a game for what it is then good but if not, then i am sorry what else can i say. Companies are happy to lose your business because they would rather keep the 95% playerbase than those 100 people who are crying about Themepark games.
I'm gunna enjoy it when this guys "prophecy" is proven to be a bunch of BS. Also no I think we will still see the same formula used over and over for years to come. SWTOR will not be the last.
i think he was proposing that SW;TOR was going to be immensly successful, but that GW2 wasnt really in the public eye due to lack of 'advertising' or whatever.. though that could all change if Arenanet engage in a major publicity drive prior to release.. as i would expect, Bioware to also do.. so while GW2 might not be that well known, i doubt that will be the case for long... at least.. not if Arenanet has any sense. still.. i see both SW;TOR and GW2 being very successful. not that i see them competing with each other...
I'm with you on that. It was the "IMO you guys need to stop living in your dream world and face the reality." line that bothers me. Like if you don't agree with him you're living in a fantasy world.
I'm with you on that. It was the "IMO you guys need to stop living in your dream world and face the reality." line that bothers me. Like if you don't agree with him you're living in a fantasy world.
That is often the nature of these chaps posts. And when you turn their tactic on them, they'll call you "troll", "hater" and they'll ask you to show them your crystal ball. So it's okay to infallibly predict a games' success but not critically chart its shortcomings.
Brilliant right? /sarcasm
"Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."
It won't be the last, but its place will become more of a niche.
Strategy games used to be dominated by turn-based titles. Today, they are a rarity because they've mostly evolved into RTS, but they are still around. All RTS games did was simply build greater dynamism into what were ostensibly, computerized chess games. But even though RTS is the king of the strategy hill now, chess will always be with us.
It's just the evolution of games. We've been watching it happen since the arcade days of Space Invaders and Missile Command. It's not going to stop with SWTOR.
IMO TOR will be very successful due to bioware and star wars. I know BW makes good games and TOR will be no exception. You think this board reflects what a games success will be like? lol. This board doesn't even represent 1% of MMO community. According to this board WoW should be dead with 2 subscriber but guess what? Well you already know the answer. I think TOR will find great success among casual players (who makes up 95% of MMO community), Star wars fan, Single player BW RPG fans, The fact that TOR is a similar to Mass effect and KOTOR will bring more console fans into an MMO like no other. It will be a success and It will make themeparks even more popular.
As for GW2 i honestly don't see it succeeding, it will be one of those good games that no one will play. Simply most casuals will rather play traiditional star wars bio ware game than Korean published MMORPG. I think guild wars 2 is riding the hype train from internet boards such as this and yet again we will see that internet hype doesn't indicate anything. IMO GW 2 fans are in for a rude awakening when the game comes out. My cousin he works at Gamestop. He told me he asked around 500 customers one day about these 2 games. And he said not more than 10 people knew what guild wars is, let alone GW 2. But over 70% of the people knew what star wars old republic was and was eager to play it. And around half the people had it for pre-order already.
IMO you guys need to stop living in your dream world and face the reality. Casuals who makes a game success don't read previews, they don't come to this board, they couldn't care less about what you think. They would rather be a jedi than a necromencer lol. And they don't give a s*** about combat style. The more traditional the better. That's why WoW is so popular and thats why SWTOR will be popular. You can always play other games if you don't like where this industry is going but companies don't cater for people like you and me anymore (hardcore), We don't make them money casuals do. So if you can like a game for what it is then good but if not, then i am sorry what else can i say. Companies are happy to lose your business because they would rather keep the 95% playerbase than those 100 people who are crying about Themepark games.
I'm gunna enjoy it when this guys "prophecy" is proven to be a bunch of BS. Also no I think we will still see the same formula used over and over for years to come. SWTOR will not be the last.
Why i can't say GW2 will fail? I think it will.
Given GW1's history, I can see your point. I think "fail" is a bit of a big word without specific sale and player base expectations. I think that GW2 may do moderately well as a PC game in sales and regular players. I think that SWTOR is trying to compete at the million plus subscriber level. They would love to have even half of WoW's current subscribers in 2 years time, and I think that's a possibility if they expand into different markets.
GW2 is probably going to be more similar to a game like Eve - moderate sized population of ardent fans. While they keep crowing about how the game will be twich-based and innovative, I would point out that this requires a higher player commitment to hardware and Internet speeds. People that don't have the ping for a really good twich-based experience will very likely feel left out.
IMO TOR will be very successful due to bioware and star wars. I know BW makes good games and TOR will be no exception. You think this board reflects what a games success will be like? lol. This board doesn't even represent 1% of MMO community. According to this board WoW should be dead with 2 subscriber but guess what? Well you already know the answer. I think TOR will find great success among casual players (who makes up 95% of MMO community), Star wars fan, Single player BW RPG fans, The fact that TOR is a similar to Mass effect and KOTOR will bring more console fans into an MMO like no other. It will be a success and It will make themeparks even more popular.
As for GW2 i honestly don't see it succeeding, it will be one of those good games that no one will play. Simply most casuals will rather play traiditional star wars bio ware game than Korean published MMORPG. I think guild wars 2 is riding the hype train from internet boards such as this and yet again we will see that internet hype doesn't indicate anything. IMO GW 2 fans are in for a rude awakening when the game comes out. My cousin he works at Gamestop. He told me he asked around 500 customers one day about these 2 games. And he said not more than 10 people knew what guild wars is, let alone GW 2. But over 70% of the people knew what star wars old republic was and was eager to play it. And around half the people had it for pre-order already.
IMO you guys need to stop living in your dream world and face the reality. Casuals who makes a game success don't read previews, they don't come to this board, they couldn't care less about what you think. They would rather be a jedi than a necromencer lol. And they don't give a s*** about combat style. The more traditional the better. That's why WoW is so popular and thats why SWTOR will be popular. You can always play other games if you don't like where this industry is going but companies don't cater for people like you and me anymore (hardcore), We don't make them money casuals do. So if you can like a game for what it is then good but if not, then i am sorry what else can i say. Companies are happy to lose your business because they would rather keep the 95% playerbase than those 100 people who are crying about Themepark games.
I'm gunna enjoy it when this guys "prophecy" is proven to be a bunch of BS. Also no I think we will still see the same formula used over and over for years to come. SWTOR will not be the last.
i think he was proposing that SW;TOR was going to be immensly successful, but that GW2 wasnt really in the public eye due to lack of 'advertising' or whatever.. though that could all change if Arenanet engage in a major publicity drive prior to release.. as i would expect, Bioware to also do.. so while GW2 might not be that well known, i doubt that will be the case for long... at least.. not if Arenanet has any sense. still.. i see both SW;TOR and GW2 being very successful. not that i see them competing with each other...
I'm with you on that. It was the "IMO you guys need to stop living in your dream world and face the reality." line that bothers me. Like if you don't agree with him you're living in a fantasy world.
I told you nothing but the truth. Casuals make your game a success not people from online boards. WoW is a prime example of that. IMO GW 2 is riding the internet hype for a disaster.
IMO TOR will be very successful due to bioware and star wars. I know BW makes good games and TOR will be no exception. You think this board reflects what a games success will be like? lol. This board doesn't even represent 1% of MMO community. According to this board WoW should be dead with 2 subscriber but guess what? Well you already know the answer. I think TOR will find great success among casual players (who makes up 95% of MMO community), Star wars fan, Single player BW RPG fans, The fact that TOR is a similar to Mass effect and KOTOR will bring more console fans into an MMO like no other. It will be a success and It will make themeparks even more popular.
As for GW2 i honestly don't see it succeeding, it will be one of those good games that no one will play. Simply most casuals will rather play traiditional star wars bio ware game than Korean published MMORPG. I think guild wars 2 is riding the hype train from internet boards such as this and yet again we will see that internet hype doesn't indicate anything. IMO GW 2 fans are in for a rude awakening when the game comes out. My cousin he works at Gamestop. He told me he asked around 500 customers one day about these 2 games. And he said not more than 10 people knew what guild wars is, let alone GW 2. But over 70% of the people knew what star wars old republic was and was eager to play it. And around half the people had it for pre-order already.
IMO you guys need to stop living in your dream world and face the reality. Casuals who makes a game success don't read previews, they don't come to this board, they couldn't care less about what you think. They would rather be a jedi than a necromencer lol. And they don't give a s*** about combat style. The more traditional the better. That's why WoW is so popular and thats why SWTOR will be popular. You can always play other games if you don't like where this industry is going but companies don't cater for people like you and me anymore (hardcore), We don't make them money casuals do. So if you can like a game for what it is then good but if not, then i am sorry what else can i say. Companies are happy to lose your business because they would rather keep the 95% playerbase than those 100 people who are crying about Themepark games.
I'm gunna enjoy it when this guys "prophecy" is proven to be a bunch of BS. Also no I think we will still see the same formula used over and over for years to come. SWTOR will not be the last.
Why i can't say GW2 will fail? I think it will.
Given GW1's history, I can see your point. I think "fail" is a bit of a big word without specific sale and player base expectations. I think that GW2 may do moderately well as a PC game in sales and regular players. I think that SWTOR is trying to compete at the million plus subscriber level. They would love to have even half of WoW's current subscribers in 2 years time, and I think that's a possibility if they expand into different markets.
GW2 is probably going to be more similar to a game like Eve - moderate sized population of ardent fans. While they keep crowing about how the game will be twich-based and innovative, I would point out that this requires a higher player commitment to hardware and Internet speeds. People that don't have the ping for a really good twich-based experience will very likely feel left out.
GW2 is still a tab to target mmo. The only thing it has is active dodge and other active damage mitigation skills. But you might be right. None of that will matter if you get hit before you even know if you need to use it on your end.
IMO TOR will be very successful due to bioware and star wars. I know BW makes good games and TOR will be no exception. You think this board reflects what a games success will be like? lol. This board doesn't even represent 1% of MMO community. According to this board WoW should be dead with 2 subscriber but guess what? Well you already know the answer. I think TOR will find great success among casual players (who makes up 95% of MMO community), Star wars fan, Single player BW RPG fans, The fact that TOR is a similar to Mass effect and KOTOR will bring more console fans into an MMO like no other. It will be a success and It will make themeparks even more popular.
As for GW2 i honestly don't see it succeeding, it will be one of those good games that no one will play. Simply most casuals will rather play traiditional star wars bio ware game than Korean published MMORPG. I think guild wars 2 is riding the hype train from internet boards such as this and yet again we will see that internet hype doesn't indicate anything. IMO GW 2 fans are in for a rude awakening when the game comes out. My cousin he works at Gamestop. He told me he asked around 500 customers one day about these 2 games. And he said not more than 10 people knew what guild wars is, let alone GW 2. But over 70% of the people knew what star wars old republic was and was eager to play it. And around half the people had it for pre-order already.
IMO you guys need to stop living in your dream world and face the reality. Casuals who makes a game success don't read previews, they don't come to this board, they couldn't care less about what you think. They would rather be a jedi than a necromencer lol. And they don't give a s*** about combat style. The more traditional the better. That's why WoW is so popular and thats why SWTOR will be popular. You can always play other games if you don't like where this industry is going but companies don't cater for people like you and me anymore (hardcore), We don't make them money casuals do. So if you can like a game for what it is then good but if not, then i am sorry what else can i say. Companies are happy to lose your business because they would rather keep the 95% playerbase than those 100 people who are crying about Themepark games.
I'm gunna enjoy it when this guys "prophecy" is proven to be a bunch of BS. Also no I think we will still see the same formula used over and over for years to come. SWTOR will not be the last.
i think he was proposing that SW;TOR was going to be immensly successful, but that GW2 wasnt really in the public eye due to lack of 'advertising' or whatever.. though that could all change if Arenanet engage in a major publicity drive prior to release.. as i would expect, Bioware to also do.. so while GW2 might not be that well known, i doubt that will be the case for long... at least.. not if Arenanet has any sense. still.. i see both SW;TOR and GW2 being very successful. not that i see them competing with each other...
I'm with you on that. It was the "IMO you guys need to stop living in your dream world and face the reality." line that bothers me. Like if you don't agree with him you're living in a fantasy world.
I told you nothing but the truth. Casuals make your game a success not people from online boards. WoW is a prime example of that. IMO GW 2 is riding the internet hype for a disaster.
I still say your prediction is BS based on pure speculation. My prediction is also pure BS and speculation but I'm not going to say every one else who doesn't agree with me is essentially crazy.
IMO TOR will be very successful due to bioware and star wars. I know BW makes good games and TOR will be no exception. You think this board reflects what a games success will be like? lol. This board doesn't even represent 1% of MMO community. According to this board WoW should be dead with 2 subscriber but guess what? Well you already know the answer. I think TOR will find great success among casual players (who makes up 95% of MMO community), Star wars fan, Single player BW RPG fans, The fact that TOR is a similar to Mass effect and KOTOR will bring more console fans into an MMO like no other. It will be a success and It will make themeparks even more popular.
As for GW2 i honestly don't see it succeeding, it will be one of those good games that no one will play. Simply most casuals will rather play traiditional star wars bio ware game than Korean published MMORPG. I think guild wars 2 is riding the hype train from internet boards such as this and yet again we will see that internet hype doesn't indicate anything. IMO GW 2 fans are in for a rude awakening when the game comes out. My cousin he works at Gamestop. He told me he asked around 500 customers one day about these 2 games. And he said not more than 10 people knew what guild wars is, let alone GW 2. But over 70% of the people knew what star wars old republic was and was eager to play it. And around half the people had it for pre-order already.
IMO you guys need to stop living in your dream world and face the reality. Casuals who makes a game success don't read previews, they don't come to this board, they couldn't care less about what you think. They would rather be a jedi than a necromencer lol. And they don't give a s*** about combat style. The more traditional the better. That's why WoW is so popular and thats why SWTOR will be popular. You can always play other games if you don't like where this industry is going but companies don't cater for people like you and me anymore (hardcore), We don't make them money casuals do. So if you can like a game for what it is then good but if not, then i am sorry what else can i say. Companies are happy to lose your business because they would rather keep the 95% playerbase than those 100 people who are crying about Themepark games.
I'm gunna enjoy it when this guys "prophecy" is proven to be a bunch of BS. Also no I think we will still see the same formula used over and over for years to come. SWTOR will not be the last.
Why i can't say GW2 will fail? I think it will.
Given GW1's history, I can see your point. I think "fail" is a bit of a big word without specific sale and player base expectations. I think that GW2 may do moderately well as a PC game in sales and regular players. I think that SWTOR is trying to compete at the million plus subscriber level. They would love to have even half of WoW's current subscribers in 2 years time, and I think that's a possibility if they expand into different markets.
GW2 is probably going to be more similar to a game like Eve - moderate sized population of ardent fans. While they keep crowing about how the game will be twich-based and innovative, I would point out that this requires a higher player commitment to hardware and Internet speeds. People that don't have the ping for a really good twich-based experience will very likely feel left out.
This was a great reply and the most realistic one i have seen.
IMO TOR will be very successful due to bioware and star wars. I know BW makes good games and TOR will be no exception. You think this board reflects what a games success will be like? lol. This board doesn't even represent 1% of MMO community. According to this board WoW should be dead with 2 subscriber but guess what? Well you already know the answer. I think TOR will find great success among casual players (who makes up 95% of MMO community), Star wars fan, Single player BW RPG fans, The fact that TOR is a similar to Mass effect and KOTOR will bring more console fans into an MMO like no other. It will be a success and It will make themeparks even more popular.
As for GW2 i honestly don't see it succeeding, it will be one of those good games that no one will play. Simply most casuals will rather play traiditional star wars bio ware game than Korean published MMORPG. I think guild wars 2 is riding the hype train from internet boards such as this and yet again we will see that internet hype doesn't indicate anything. IMO GW 2 fans are in for a rude awakening when the game comes out. My cousin he works at Gamestop. He told me he asked around 500 customers one day about these 2 games. And he said not more than 10 people knew what guild wars is, let alone GW 2. But over 70% of the people knew what star wars old republic was and was eager to play it. And around half the people had it for pre-order already.
IMO you guys need to stop living in your dream world and face the reality. Casuals who makes a game success don't read previews, they don't come to this board, they couldn't care less about what you think. They would rather be a jedi than a necromencer lol. And they don't give a s*** about combat style. The more traditional the better. That's why WoW is so popular and thats why SWTOR will be popular. You can always play other games if you don't like where this industry is going but companies don't cater for people like you and me anymore (hardcore), We don't make them money casuals do. So if you can like a game for what it is then good but if not, then i am sorry what else can i say. Companies are happy to lose your business because they would rather keep the 95% playerbase than those 100 people who are crying about Themepark games.
I'm gunna enjoy it when this guys "prophecy" is proven to be a bunch of BS. Also no I think we will still see the same formula used over and over for years to come. SWTOR will not be the last.
i think he was proposing that SW;TOR was going to be immensly successful, but that GW2 wasnt really in the public eye due to lack of 'advertising' or whatever.. though that could all change if Arenanet engage in a major publicity drive prior to release.. as i would expect, Bioware to also do.. so while GW2 might not be that well known, i doubt that will be the case for long... at least.. not if Arenanet has any sense. still.. i see both SW;TOR and GW2 being very successful. not that i see them competing with each other...
I'm with you on that. It was the "IMO you guys need to stop living in your dream world and face the reality." line that bothers me. Like if you don't agree with him you're living in a fantasy world.
I told you nothing but the truth. Casuals make your game a success not people from online boards. WoW is a prime example of that. IMO GW 2 is riding the internet hype for a disaster.
I still say your prediction is BS based on pure speculation. My prediction is also pure BS and speculation but I'm not going to say every one else who doesn't agree with me is essentially crazy.
No i am not speculating. I am looking at all the hate for WoW on these boards yet it still holds 10 mil players. And with the upcoming expansion it will only get bigger. The people who are playing WoW definitely not coming to these boards, not even 1% of the population. They are happy with their game. Same thing will happen at TOR. It will have a large playerbase but they don't come to these internet boards, nor do they read previews or reviews. IMO all this GW2 is genre changer is bunch of bs and it will follow the sub base of EVE. A small number of people will play the game at a regular basis. Log into WoW, go to SW and ask about GW2 on trade chat. I got response like what is GW 2? that was the most popular response.
IMO TOR will be very successful due to bioware and star wars. I know BW makes good games and TOR will be no exception. You think this board reflects what a games success will be like? lol. This board doesn't even represent 1% of MMO community. According to this board WoW should be dead with 2 subscriber but guess what? Well you already know the answer. I think TOR will find great success among casual players (who makes up 95% of MMO community), Star wars fan, Single player BW RPG fans, The fact that TOR is a similar to Mass effect and KOTOR will bring more console fans into an MMO like no other. It will be a success and It will make themeparks even more popular.
As for GW2 i honestly don't see it succeeding, it will be one of those good games that no one will play. Simply most casuals will rather play traiditional star wars bio ware game than Korean published MMORPG. I think guild wars 2 is riding the hype train from internet boards such as this and yet again we will see that internet hype doesn't indicate anything. IMO GW 2 fans are in for a rude awakening when the game comes out. My cousin he works at Gamestop. He told me he asked around 500 customers one day about these 2 games. And he said not more than 10 people knew what guild wars is, let alone GW 2. But over 70% of the people knew what star wars old republic was and was eager to play it. And around half the people had it for pre-order already.
IMO you guys need to stop living in your dream world and face the reality. Casuals who makes a game success don't read previews, they don't come to this board, they couldn't care less about what you think. They would rather be a jedi than a necromencer lol. And they don't give a s*** about combat style. The more traditional the better. That's why WoW is so popular and thats why SWTOR will be popular. You can always play other games if you don't like where this industry is going but companies don't cater for people like you and me anymore (hardcore), We don't make them money casuals do. So if you can like a game for what it is then good but if not, then i am sorry what else can i say. Companies are happy to lose your business because they would rather keep the 95% playerbase than those 100 people who are crying about Themepark games.
I'm gunna enjoy it when this guys "prophecy" is proven to be a bunch of BS. Also no I think we will still see the same formula used over and over for years to come. SWTOR will not be the last.
i think he was proposing that SW;TOR was going to be immensly successful, but that GW2 wasnt really in the public eye due to lack of 'advertising' or whatever.. though that could all change if Arenanet engage in a major publicity drive prior to release.. as i would expect, Bioware to also do.. so while GW2 might not be that well known, i doubt that will be the case for long... at least.. not if Arenanet has any sense. still.. i see both SW;TOR and GW2 being very successful. not that i see them competing with each other...
I'm with you on that. It was the "IMO you guys need to stop living in your dream world and face the reality." line that bothers me. Like if you don't agree with him you're living in a fantasy world.
I told you nothing but the truth. Casuals make your game a success not people from online boards. WoW is a prime example of that. IMO GW 2 is riding the internet hype for a disaster.
I still say your prediction is BS based on pure speculation. My prediction is also pure BS and speculation but I'm not going to say every one else who doesn't agree with me is essentially crazy.
No i am not speculating. I am looking at all the hate for WoW on these boards yet it still holds 10 mil players. And with the upcoming expansion it will only get bigger. The people who are playing WoW are definitely not are coming to this boards, not even 1% of the population. They are happy with their game. Same thing will happen at TOR. It will have a large playerbase but they don't come to these internet boards, nor do they read previews or reviews. IMO all this GW2 is genre changer is bunch of bs and it will follow the sub base of EVE. A small number of people will play the game at a regular basis. Log into WoW, go to SW and ask about GW2 on trade chat. I got response like what is GW 2? that was the most popular response.
When did i call you delusional? are you one of those GW2 will be the best game ever types? then you are delusional. But if you have a realistic expectation for the game then you are clearly not delusional. I was talking about those "OMGZ GW2 IZ THE BEST GAME EVER" and then they come here and say "LOL CLONE." But in reality this clone has more chance of success than GW2.
As for will TOR ever reach WoW's level? Never. No MMO will. WoW is more than a game. It is a pop culture phenomenon. South park makes an entire episode on WoW, Jeopardy asks 1000 dollars question on WoW. But i do see this game holding a steady 2-3 mil sub. It's star wars, Bioware, and has a great RPG element to it. Casuals who play this game are in the same leagues with WoW. They will never come to post on these boards, they will never look at previews, and some will just wait for a gamespot review to make their purchase.
IMO TOR will be very successful due to bioware and star wars. I know BW makes good games and TOR will be no exception. You think this board reflects what a games success will be like? lol. This board doesn't even represent 1% of MMO community. According to this board WoW should be dead with 2 subscriber but guess what? Well you already know the answer. I think TOR will find great success among casual players (who makes up 95% of MMO community), Star wars fan, Single player BW RPG fans, The fact that TOR is a similar to Mass effect and KOTOR will bring more console fans into an MMO like no other. It will be a success and It will make themeparks even more popular.
As for GW2 i honestly don't see it succeeding, it will be one of those good games that no one will play. Simply most casuals will rather play traiditional star wars bio ware game than Korean published MMORPG. I think guild wars 2 is riding the hype train from internet boards such as this and yet again we will see that internet hype doesn't indicate anything. IMO GW 2 fans are in for a rude awakening when the game comes out. My cousin he works at Gamestop. He told me he asked around 500 customers one day about these 2 games. And he said not more than 10 people knew what guild wars is, let alone GW 2. But over 70% of the people knew what star wars old republic was and was eager to play it. And around half the people had it for pre-order already.
IMO you guys need to stop living in your dream world and face the reality. Casuals who makes a game success don't read previews, they don't come to this board, they couldn't care less about what you think. They would rather be a jedi than a necromencer lol. And they don't give a s*** about combat style. The more traditional the better. That's why WoW is so popular and thats why SWTOR will be popular. You can always play other games if you don't like where this industry is going but companies don't cater for people like you and me anymore (hardcore), We don't make them money casuals do. So if you can like a game for what it is then good but if not, then i am sorry what else can i say. Companies are happy to lose your business because they would rather keep the 95% playerbase than those 100 people who are crying about Themepark games.
I'm gunna enjoy it when this guys "prophecy" is proven to be a bunch of BS. Also no I think we will still see the same formula used over and over for years to come. SWTOR will not be the last.
i think he was proposing that SW;TOR was going to be immensly successful, but that GW2 wasnt really in the public eye due to lack of 'advertising' or whatever.. though that could all change if Arenanet engage in a major publicity drive prior to release.. as i would expect, Bioware to also do.. so while GW2 might not be that well known, i doubt that will be the case for long... at least.. not if Arenanet has any sense. still.. i see both SW;TOR and GW2 being very successful. not that i see them competing with each other...
I'm with you on that. It was the "IMO you guys need to stop living in your dream world and face the reality." line that bothers me. Like if you don't agree with him you're living in a fantasy world.
I told you nothing but the truth. Casuals make your game a success not people from online boards. WoW is a prime example of that. IMO GW 2 is riding the internet hype for a disaster.
I still say your prediction is BS based on pure speculation. My prediction is also pure BS and speculation but I'm not going to say every one else who doesn't agree with me is essentially crazy.
No i am not speculating. I am looking at all the hate for WoW on these boards yet it still holds 10 mil players. And with the upcoming expansion it will only get bigger. The people who are playing WoW definitely not coming to these boards, not even 1% of the population. They are happy with their game. Same thing will happen at TOR. It will have a large playerbase but they don't come to these internet boards, nor do they read previews or reviews. IMO all this GW2 is genre changer is bunch of bs and it will follow the sub base of EVE. A small number of people will play the game at a regular basis. Log into WoW, go to SW and ask about GW2 on trade chat. I got response like what is GW 2? that was the most popular response.
In all honesty it is speculation but doesn't mean you don't know what you are talking about, we've all been to these boards for long enough to have seen all the talk about how Darkfall,Mortal,Fallen Earth,AOC were going to change the genre and become the be all end all of mmorpg's and I have some of the same feeling about GW2 many of the people on these boards want it to be number one on enveryones radar so bad they are willing to ignore what the rank and file may really be thinking and at the end of the day that is what I think stands as more important than even the opinions of us who frequent these boards.
Don't get me wrong I do hope that GW2 can be atleast as successful as the first one was and further hope that those excited about it find what they are looking for but I think to expect this game to be significantly more popular than it's predeccesor is wishful thinking.
When did i call you delusional? are you one of those GW2 will be the best game ever types? then you are delusional. But if you have a realistic expectation for the game then you are clearly not delusional. I was talking about those "OMGZ GW2 IZ THE BEST GAME EVER" and then they come here and say "LOL CLONE." But in reality this clone has more chance of success than GW2.
As for will TOR ever reach WoW's level? Never. No MMO will. WoW is more than a game. It is a pop culture phenomenon. South park makes an entire episode on WoW, Jeopardy asks 1000 dollars question on WoW. But i do see this game holding a steady 2-3 mil sub. It's star wars, Bioware, and has a great RPG element to it. Casuals who play this game are in the same leagues with WoW. They will never come to post on these boards, they will never look at previews, and some will just wait for a gamespot review to make their purchase.
Well like I said earlier I think both games will see moderate success but neither will see WoW's numbers. I could be wrong. You are deffinatly right about the fact that the majority of gamers do not ever visit a forum. A slightly larger number do check out reviews by mainstream gameing websites and magazines but not by much.
Everyone knows TOR will sell a lot of boxes come release just from the pre order number alone. People will love it when it first launches because it will feel like something completely different. The story and cut scenes are great and it will be a welcome change for any WoW fan. That being said some MMO die hards will most likely get burned out after a few months because game play wise it brings nothing very new or innovative to the genre. It looks a lot like Vanilla WoW did because gear didn't scale as much then and everyone had bad gear, this could stay the same or item levels could multiply so much it quickly becomes the gear > skill model of WoW. The casuals playing WoW would most likely flock to TOR because it's the same thing but newer.
GW2 on the other hand will have a good dedicated fan base of hardcore MMO players and MMO veterans who want a new game to play. If the game is fun people will keep playing and even has the appeal to casuals who can often quit for weeks at a time since it is a F2P game. It offers a new style of twitch based gameplay with a similar tab targeting system. The main thing to push casuals away is that it's in a fantasy setting, you either like it or you don't. GW2 is different from TOR in the fact Anet has pushed the game more towards choice, an example would be the death of the trinity in the game. You and your friends have the choice of playing any class you want and still be a viable team. In TOR you need at least 1 friend to be a tank and 1 to be a healer even though they may have wanted to be dps.
I expect both games to do very well upon release, I just see GW2 staying healthier than TOR because of the F2P model and newer game play. Lots of people into single player games and not MMO's will most likely pick GW2 over TOR based on the fact alone that being able to log into their world is more similar to a single player game. By that I mean you don't need to pay a subscription for Assassins Creed or God of War to get everything from the game. I know when I first started playing MMO's a big drawback to me was the pay to play model, but as I got into the genre it became ok. TOR will keep the casual playerbase of WoW and GW2 is more likely to pick up new gamers. Only in the end will we know the true outcome of either game.
WoW will loose some players when KOTOR comes out , then KOTOR will sell 1000's of boxes (lots of gamers know the IP) and if game avoids critical bugs or issues and gives more than the first ''nice'' impression, it could keep subscriptions , GW 2 its a short title not so known as the others, but if the game keeps everything that they are promising and avoid greed P2W NCSoft policies it could be a hit and will be played by 1000's
Conclusion: WoW its a easy to play game with lots of content and haves its solid base players (community , casual players, lore, time invested on the game ) and one way or another it will keep its place as most played The incoming MMO's to get sustaining success they must be really good and not unfinished products or they will fail as AoC , AION and 100 more games
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IMO TOR will be very successful due to bioware and star wars. I know BW makes good games and TOR will be no exception. You think this board reflects what a games success will be like? lol. This board doesn't even represent 1% of MMO community. According to this board WoW should be dead with 2 subscriber but guess what? Well you already know the answer. I think TOR will find great success among casual players (who makes up 95% of MMO community), Star wars fan, Single player BW RPG fans, The fact that TOR is a similar to Mass effect and KOTOR will bring more console fans into an MMO like no other. It will be a success and It will make themeparks even more popular.
As for GW2 i honestly don't see it succeeding, it will be one of those good games that no one will play. Simply most casuals will rather play traiditional star wars bio ware game than Korean published MMORPG. I think guild wars 2 is riding the hype train from internet boards such as this and yet again we will see that internet hype doesn't indicate anything. IMO GW 2 fans are in for a rude awakening when the game comes out. My cousin he works at Gamestop. He told me he asked around 500 customers one day about these 2 games. And he said not more than 10 people knew what guild wars is, let alone GW 2. But over 70% of the people knew what star wars old republic was and was eager to play it. And around half the people had it for pre-order already.
IMO you guys need to stop living in your dream world and face the reality. Casuals who makes a game success don't read previews, they don't come to this board, they couldn't care less about what you think. They would rather be a jedi than a necromencer lol. And they don't give a s*** about combat style. The more traditional the better. That's why WoW is so popular and thats why SWTOR will be popular. You can always play other games if you don't like where this industry is going but companies don't cater for people like you and me anymore (hardcore), We don't make them money casuals do. So if you can like a game for what it is then good but if not, then i am sorry what else can i say. Companies are happy to lose your business because they would rather keep the 95% playerbase than those 100 people who are crying about Themepark games.
Currently Playing: SSFIV AE, SFxTekken, SWTOR, WoW. Waiting for: GW2, Resident Evil 6.
We may all scoff at action type combat in MMO's but i for one wouldn't mind seeing that which was in Star Wars The Force Unleashed 2.
I believe every type of game will always be made.
Why would SW:TOR would be the last ? There's no reason to it.
It all depends on how TOR does..
If it does well,that tells companies that there is still a market for the traditional MMO.
If it does poorly I can see some companies trying to mix things up.
TOR makes for an interesting catalyst though,given the games hefty development cost.
Actually, I was thinking that if it does well it will communicate to the rest of the MMO developers that you can only have successful "traditional" MMOs by spending boatloads of money on development costs, thereby driving more potential developers out of the field.
I would think that a lot of game developers are looking at this and making development plans based on the eventual ROI.
Granted, what constitutes "success" and "failure" have yet to be determined. WoW didn't become a juggernaut with 10+ million followers on launch day, or even the first year for that matter.
I'm gunna enjoy it when this guys "prophecy" is proven to be a bunch of BS. Also no I think we will still see the same formula used over and over for years to come. SWTOR will not be the last.
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I sincerely hope so.
Your edit is also amusing. The "media" is not pushing anything, anywhere.
The industry has woken up to the reality of broken gaming models, and is fixing it, moving into the future.
It's like saying, "the media pushed the DVD; I'll miss the traditional VHS because it was awesome".
Preposterous, but hilarious, too.
You and your ilk never disappoint, Distopia
"Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."
I need to take this advice more.
i think he was proposing that SW;TOR was going to be immensly successful, but that GW2 wasnt really in the public eye due to lack of 'advertising' or whatever.. though that could all change if Arenanet engage in a major publicity drive prior to release.. as i would expect, Bioware to also do.. so while GW2 might not be that well known, i doubt that will be the case for long... at least.. not if Arenanet has any sense. still.. i see both SW;TOR and GW2 being very successful. not that i see them competing with each other...
In business this is the bottom line that drives production, regardless of what the "mainstays" say whether they be the fans who ushered this genre into existence or the media (who sometimes are the same people) the industry has been crying out quite vocally for games different from WOW since WOW took the top spot and that hasn't stopped all the games that have been designed to take advantage of things popularized by Blizzard.
I'm with you on that. It was the "IMO you guys need to stop living in your dream world and face the reality." line that bothers me. Like if you don't agree with him you're living in a fantasy world.
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That is often the nature of these chaps posts. And when you turn their tactic on them, they'll call you "troll", "hater" and they'll ask you to show them your crystal ball. So it's okay to infallibly predict a games' success but not critically chart its shortcomings.
Brilliant right? /sarcasm
"Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."
I need to take this advice more.
It won't be the last, but its place will become more of a niche.
Strategy games used to be dominated by turn-based titles. Today, they are a rarity because they've mostly evolved into RTS, but they are still around. All RTS games did was simply build greater dynamism into what were ostensibly, computerized chess games. But even though RTS is the king of the strategy hill now, chess will always be with us.
It's just the evolution of games. We've been watching it happen since the arcade days of Space Invaders and Missile Command. It's not going to stop with SWTOR.
Given GW1's history, I can see your point. I think "fail" is a bit of a big word without specific sale and player base expectations. I think that GW2 may do moderately well as a PC game in sales and regular players. I think that SWTOR is trying to compete at the million plus subscriber level. They would love to have even half of WoW's current subscribers in 2 years time, and I think that's a possibility if they expand into different markets.
GW2 is probably going to be more similar to a game like Eve - moderate sized population of ardent fans. While they keep crowing about how the game will be twich-based and innovative, I would point out that this requires a higher player commitment to hardware and Internet speeds. People that don't have the ping for a really good twich-based experience will very likely feel left out.
I told you nothing but the truth. Casuals make your game a success not people from online boards. WoW is a prime example of that. IMO GW 2 is riding the internet hype for a disaster.
Currently Playing: SSFIV AE, SFxTekken, SWTOR, WoW. Waiting for: GW2, Resident Evil 6.
GW2 is still a tab to target mmo. The only thing it has is active dodge and other active damage mitigation skills. But you might be right. None of that will matter if you get hit before you even know if you need to use it on your end.
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I still say your prediction is BS based on pure speculation. My prediction is also pure BS and speculation but I'm not going to say every one else who doesn't agree with me is essentially crazy.
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This was a great reply and the most realistic one i have seen.
Currently Playing: SSFIV AE, SFxTekken, SWTOR, WoW. Waiting for: GW2, Resident Evil 6.
No i am not speculating. I am looking at all the hate for WoW on these boards yet it still holds 10 mil players. And with the upcoming expansion it will only get bigger. The people who are playing WoW definitely not coming to these boards, not even 1% of the population. They are happy with their game. Same thing will happen at TOR. It will have a large playerbase but they don't come to these internet boards, nor do they read previews or reviews. IMO all this GW2 is genre changer is bunch of bs and it will follow the sub base of EVE. A small number of people will play the game at a regular basis. Log into WoW, go to SW and ask about GW2 on trade chat. I got response like what is GW 2? that was the most popular response.
Currently Playing: SSFIV AE, SFxTekken, SWTOR, WoW. Waiting for: GW2, Resident Evil 6.
1) You are speculating http://www.thefreedictionary.com/speculating
2) I don't even entirely disagree with you. It's your "I am right and you are insane" attitude that I disagree with.
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When did i call you delusional? are you one of those GW2 will be the best game ever types? then you are delusional. But if you have a realistic expectation for the game then you are clearly not delusional. I was talking about those "OMGZ GW2 IZ THE BEST GAME EVER" and then they come here and say "LOL CLONE." But in reality this clone has more chance of success than GW2.
As for will TOR ever reach WoW's level? Never. No MMO will. WoW is more than a game. It is a pop culture phenomenon. South park makes an entire episode on WoW, Jeopardy asks 1000 dollars question on WoW. But i do see this game holding a steady 2-3 mil sub. It's star wars, Bioware, and has a great RPG element to it. Casuals who play this game are in the same leagues with WoW. They will never come to post on these boards, they will never look at previews, and some will just wait for a gamespot review to make their purchase.
Currently Playing: SSFIV AE, SFxTekken, SWTOR, WoW. Waiting for: GW2, Resident Evil 6.
In all honesty it is speculation but doesn't mean you don't know what you are talking about, we've all been to these boards for long enough to have seen all the talk about how Darkfall,Mortal,Fallen Earth,AOC were going to change the genre and become the be all end all of mmorpg's and I have some of the same feeling about GW2 many of the people on these boards want it to be number one on enveryones radar so bad they are willing to ignore what the rank and file may really be thinking and at the end of the day that is what I think stands as more important than even the opinions of us who frequent these boards.
Don't get me wrong I do hope that GW2 can be atleast as successful as the first one was and further hope that those excited about it find what they are looking for but I think to expect this game to be significantly more popular than it's predeccesor is wishful thinking.
Well like I said earlier I think both games will see moderate success but neither will see WoW's numbers. I could be wrong. You are deffinatly right about the fact that the majority of gamers do not ever visit a forum. A slightly larger number do check out reviews by mainstream gameing websites and magazines but not by much.
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Everyone knows TOR will sell a lot of boxes come release just from the pre order number alone. People will love it when it first launches because it will feel like something completely different. The story and cut scenes are great and it will be a welcome change for any WoW fan. That being said some MMO die hards will most likely get burned out after a few months because game play wise it brings nothing very new or innovative to the genre. It looks a lot like Vanilla WoW did because gear didn't scale as much then and everyone had bad gear, this could stay the same or item levels could multiply so much it quickly becomes the gear > skill model of WoW. The casuals playing WoW would most likely flock to TOR because it's the same thing but newer.
GW2 on the other hand will have a good dedicated fan base of hardcore MMO players and MMO veterans who want a new game to play. If the game is fun people will keep playing and even has the appeal to casuals who can often quit for weeks at a time since it is a F2P game. It offers a new style of twitch based gameplay with a similar tab targeting system. The main thing to push casuals away is that it's in a fantasy setting, you either like it or you don't. GW2 is different from TOR in the fact Anet has pushed the game more towards choice, an example would be the death of the trinity in the game. You and your friends have the choice of playing any class you want and still be a viable team. In TOR you need at least 1 friend to be a tank and 1 to be a healer even though they may have wanted to be dps.
I expect both games to do very well upon release, I just see GW2 staying healthier than TOR because of the F2P model and newer game play. Lots of people into single player games and not MMO's will most likely pick GW2 over TOR based on the fact alone that being able to log into their world is more similar to a single player game. By that I mean you don't need to pay a subscription for Assassins Creed or God of War to get everything from the game. I know when I first started playing MMO's a big drawback to me was the pay to play model, but as I got into the genre it became ok. TOR will keep the casual playerbase of WoW and GW2 is more likely to pick up new gamers. Only in the end will we know the true outcome of either game.
WoW will loose some players when KOTOR comes out , then
KOTOR will sell 1000's of boxes (lots of gamers know the IP) and if game avoids critical bugs or issues and gives more than the first ''nice'' impression, it could keep subscriptions ,
GW 2 its a short title not so known as the others, but if the game keeps everything that they are promising and avoid greed P2W NCSoft policies it could be a hit and will be played by 1000's
Conclusion: WoW its a easy to play game with lots of content and haves its solid base players (community , casual players, lore, time invested on the game ) and one way or another it will keep its place as most played
The incoming MMO's to get sustaining success they must be really good and not unfinished products or they will fail as AoC , AION and 100 more games
Last time I checked, the media is all over SWTOR with the majority of them in the positive.
Besides, the market hasn't changed the last 6 years, 'WoW is King'.
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