I'D hoped for... more. I dunno. Some more neat things here and there. That's all I am saying. Not a revolutionary different niche MMO. But... I dunno *something* more than... this.
Have you played TOR yet?
You know I can not answer this. Or in the immortal words of Admiral Ackbar: ITS A TRAP! ^^
You can say whether or not you are in the beta and that a beta exists.
So you can say whether or not you have played the game. Also could have played at a gaming event some where.
I just wonder how you KNOW it's not something "more" if you haven't played it?
If you have played it and feel that way, then I respect your opinion and look forward to hearing the details when the NDA drops
Logical, but alas logic does not apply in MMORPG.com. If I would say I was in beta, people would start reporting EVERYTHING I say as "based on beta info". So I deny I am in beta and rather be called a fool by you than being banned by a mod.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
I'D hoped for... more. I dunno. Some more neat things here and there. That's all I am saying. Not a revolutionary different niche MMO. But... I dunno *something* more than... this.
Have you played TOR yet?
You know I can not answer this. Or in the immortal words of Admiral Ackbar: ITS A TRAP! ^^
You can say whether or not you are in the beta and that a beta exists.
So you can say whether or not you have played the game. Also could have played at a gaming event some where.
I just wonder how you KNOW it's not something "more" if you haven't played it?
If you have played it and feel that way, then I respect your opinion and look forward to hearing the details when the NDA drops
Logical, but alas logic does not apply in MMORPG.com. If I would say I was in beta, people would start reporting EVERYTHING I say as "based on beta info". So I deny I am in beta and rather be called a fool by you than being banned by a mod.
I felt this way too, I've been in beta for a while, and only recently announced as such, however, it doesn't really matter too much, most of what we say nowadays is backed up by a lot of other information. Sure we can't get into direct mechanics of some things, but, I take it as a mild inference if someone disagrees and I point to what has already been eluded to.
Its more common that the haters and complainers decrying SWTORs systems are wrong then the previous videos, interviews and posts from BioWare themselves, though some of what BioWare has said is a little dated at this point, but still very useful for basic reference material to actual game systems and mechanics.
Logical, but alas logic does not apply in MMORPG.com. If I would say I was in beta, people would start reporting EVERYTHING I say as "based on beta info". So I deny I am in beta and rather be called a fool by you than being banned by a mod.
You rebel!
That's why I just put in a nice sig begging mods to just delete my posts when I go off on a tangent instead of banning me for X days lol.
Hence, why I have 0 stars but like 3000 post count
I felt this way too, I've been in beta for a while, and only recently announced as such, however, it doesn't really matter too much, most of what we say nowadays is backed up by a lot of other information. Sure we can't get into direct mechanics of some things, but, I take it as a mild inference if someone disagrees and I point to what has already been eluded to.
Its more common that the haters and complainers decrying SWTORs systems are wrong then the previous videos, interviews and posts from BioWare themselves, though some of what BioWare has said is a little dated at this point, but still very useful for basic reference material to actual game systems and mechanics.
Wait are you saying that ignorance leads to bad posting?
But I thought we were SUPPOSED to do nothing but use buzz words and call each other names?
I liked it. The guy was just saying "hey watch out for this" to BW. Nothing wrong with that. Hell I wish every developer would read that.
Yeah. Some good points too. Great article really. One can only hope they'll put it to heart.
My personal impressions from occasionaly lurking the Swtor forums have been pretty good. They are pretty fast on the ball with yellow dev replies when uncertainties and important questions arise and generally are polite and concise in their answers.
I really hope they can maintain somekind of level of sanity on their forums though. Will be very hard.
I felt this way too, I've been in beta for a while, and only recently announced as such, however, it doesn't really matter too much, most of what we say nowadays is backed up by a lot of other information. Sure we can't get into direct mechanics of some things, but, I take it as a mild inference if someone disagrees and I point to what has already been eluded to.
Its more common that the haters and complainers decrying SWTORs systems are wrong then the previous videos, interviews and posts from BioWare themselves, though some of what BioWare has said is a little dated at this point, but still very useful for basic reference material to actual game systems and mechanics.
Wait are you saying that ignorance leads to bad posting?
But I thought we were SUPPOSED to do nothing but use buzz words and call each other names?
Well.... that IS what we're SUPPOSED to do, and we're lucky so many people oblige.
I liked it. The guy was just saying "hey watch out for this" to BW. Nothing wrong with that. Hell I wish every developer would read that.
Yeah. Some good points too. Great article really. One can only hope they'll put it to heart.
My personal impressions from occasionaly lurking the Swtor forums have been pretty good. They are pretty fast on the ball with yellow dev replies when uncertainties and important questions arise and generally are polite and concise in their answers.
I really hope they can maintain somekind of level of sanity on their forums though. Will be very hard.
I don't envy their forum mods. SWG fans, WOW players, WOW haters, Star Wars nerds... an explosive mix. I hope they do not go too far and censor the wong stuff.
I got a post deleted with troll warning, because I said I wanted no fat Sith Lords. I don't have something against fat people, but... I don't want to see fat BH or fat Sith Lords or Jedi, because thats just absurd and implausible. I dunno whats trolling about that, but apparently Bioware is a bit overly sensitive here.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Please, for the love of the midichlorians, Bioware, keep your forums from devolving into the shambling cannibalistic cave dweeler that the WoW forums became.
I think there are some valid points in that article and I think that Bioware is already on the path to the dark side in some respects. That "touchstone" comment still rankles me. I still think that calling others "dumb" because they might not choose to follow the same well-trod path was pretty damned arrogant. I mostly stopped listening to anything they had to say after that.
I guess in a similar way your response is on a par..... Opinions Opinions, Bioware have consistentley delivered and unless you have some fantastic reputation I think I will side with the professionals.
If I didn't know better I would say the article is lacking for all the right reasons the author is a fail, and adds little.
________________________________________________________ Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
I liked it. The guy was just saying "hey watch out for this" to BW. Nothing wrong with that. Hell I wish every developer would read that.
Yeah. Some good points too. Great article really. One can only hope they'll put it to heart.
My personal impressions from occasionaly lurking the Swtor forums have been pretty good. They are pretty fast on the ball with yellow dev replies when uncertainties and important questions arise and generally are polite and concise in their answers.
I really hope they can maintain somekind of level of sanity on their forums though. Will be very hard.
I don't envy their forum mods. SWG fans, WOW players, WOW haters, Star Wars nerds... an explosive mix. I hope they do not go too far and censor the wong stuff.
I got a post deleted with troll warning, because I said I wanted no fat Sith Lords. I don't have something against fat people, but... I don't want to see fat BH or fat Sith Lords or Jedi, because thats just absurd and implausible. I dunno whats trolling about that, but apparently Bioware is a bit overly sensitive here.
You forgot how important Lucas Arts is to this as well. Bioware has to run all major ideas in front of them as well. This I fear could really slow down updates as well as anything that smacks of controversy.
I don't envy their forum mods. SWG fans, WOW players, WOW haters, Star Wars nerds... an explosive mix. I hope they do not go too far and censor the wong stuff.
I got a post deleted with troll warning, because I said I wanted no fat Sith Lords. I don't have something against fat people, but... I don't want to see fat BH or fat Sith Lords or Jedi, because thats just absurd and implausible. I dunno whats trolling about that, but apparently Bioware is a bit overly sensitive here.
I liked it. The guy was just saying "hey watch out for this" to BW. Nothing wrong with that. Hell I wish every developer would read that.
Yeah. Some good points too. Great article really. One can only hope they'll put it to heart.
My personal impressions from occasionaly lurking the Swtor forums have been pretty good. They are pretty fast on the ball with yellow dev replies when uncertainties and important questions arise and generally are polite and concise in their answers.
I really hope they can maintain somekind of level of sanity on their forums though. Will be very hard.
I hope as well, but I doubt it will happen. I still remember the Galaxies forum wars between the jedi players and bounty hunters. Bounty hunters would figure out a template that worked and jedi would demand skills from it nerfed, which effected not only bounty hunters but also the other professions that used it. I see similiar issues here happening because you KNOW that people are going to go jedi because they think they'll be able to pawn everyone else in game just by virtue of playing jedi.
I liked it. The guy was just saying "hey watch out for this" to BW. Nothing wrong with that. Hell I wish every developer would read that.
Yeah. Some good points too. Great article really. One can only hope they'll put it to heart.
My personal impressions from occasionaly lurking the Swtor forums have been pretty good. They are pretty fast on the ball with yellow dev replies when uncertainties and important questions arise and generally are polite and concise in their answers.
I really hope they can maintain somekind of level of sanity on their forums though. Will be very hard.
Such a shame that there are so many guild spammers in their forums : I just more or less stick to the tester feedback thread.
I don't envy their forum mods. SWG fans, WOW players, WOW haters, Star Wars nerds... an explosive mix. I hope they do not go too far and censor the wong stuff.
I got a post deleted with troll warning, because I said I wanted no fat Sith Lords. I don't have something against fat people, but... I don't want to see fat BH or fat Sith Lords or Jedi, because thats just absurd and implausible. I dunno whats trolling about that, but apparently Bioware is a bit overly sensitive here.
The irony in that statement is amazing.
o.0 Why so? Explanashiun pls.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
I don't envy their forum mods. SWG fans, WOW players, WOW haters, Star Wars nerds... an explosive mix. I hope they do not go too far and censor the wong stuff.
I got a post deleted with troll warning, because I said I wanted no fat Sith Lords. I don't have something against fat people, but... I don't want to see fat BH or fat Sith Lords or Jedi, because thats just absurd and implausible. I dunno whats trolling about that, but apparently Bioware is a bit overly sensitive here.
I don't envy their forum mods. SWG fans, WOW players, WOW haters, Star Wars nerds... an explosive mix. I hope they do not go too far and censor the wong stuff.
I got a post deleted with troll warning, because I said I wanted no fat Sith Lords. I don't have something against fat people, but... I don't want to see fat BH or fat Sith Lords or Jedi, because thats just absurd and implausible. I dunno whats trolling about that, but apparently Bioware is a bit overly sensitive here.
The irony in that statement is amazing.
o.0 Why so? Explanashiun pls.
CAUSE YO SO FAT U MAKE UR PROFILE PIC DARK!
Lol, you do not understand my point. I don't care if you or I are fat, because you and I are no Jedi Knight and no Bounty Hunter.
It is just illogical that a BH or a Jedi is fat, because... HOW can they do their job then? Doesn't it imply to be fit, active and agile? It just makes no sense, you see.
Besides, isn't a game an idealized world? Where we are all heroes? I mean if one is fat in RL... why would he play a game and be a hero who ALSO is fat? On top, being fat is unhealthy and games should not promote unhealthy things.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
I don't envy their forum mods. SWG fans, WOW players, WOW haters, Star Wars nerds... an explosive mix. I hope they do not go too far and censor the wong stuff.
I got a post deleted with troll warning, because I said I wanted no fat Sith Lords. I don't have something against fat people, but... I don't want to see fat BH or fat Sith Lords or Jedi, because thats just absurd and implausible. I dunno whats trolling about that, but apparently Bioware is a bit overly sensitive here.
The irony in that statement is amazing.
o.0 Why so? Explanashiun pls.
CAUSE YO SO FAT U MAKE UR PROFILE PIC DARK!
Lol, you do not understand my point. I don't care if you or I are fat, because you and I are no Jedi Knight and no Bounty Hunter.
It is just illogical that a BH or a Jedi is fat, because... HOW can they do their job then? Doesn't it imply to be fit, active and agile? It just makes no sense, you see.
Besides, isn't a game an idealized world? Where we are all heroes? I mean if one is fat in RL... why would he play a game and be a hero who ALSO is fat? On top, being fat is unhealthy and games should not promote unhealthy things.
Well, what I meant above was for a joke. But since your all serious, I'll meet your comment. It is up to the Business. All they want are profits, and they will add anything in there that will get them money. I'm not saying corporate greed or anything, I'm just telling it how it is. You can't make everyone happy, and the last thing you want to do is to please the majority if your all about profit. Cause you will lose all the $ the majorty will bring in. That is why male/male and female/female marriages aren't really seen. It is minority. Same thing with the ability to make fat chars, to please the majority ( not saying that is what majority wants). A game is whatever the majority wants. If they want fantas, go ahead make $, if they want pickle worlds, they will make. Also, they can promote whatever they want. That is like when they anned the show on Elmo when Katy Perry sung. It is pointless. I'll be fat if I want to be fat, I'll drink, smoke etc if i want to. I make my own decisions, not some game or tv show. And parents need to start helping there kids understnad what these are, rather than just covering there eyes to it.
Lol, you do not understand my point. I don't care if you or I are fat, because you and I are no Jedi Knight and no Bounty Hunter.
It is just illogical that a BH or a Jedi is fat, because... HOW can they do their job then? Doesn't it imply to be fit, active and agile? It just makes no sense, you see.
Besides, isn't a game an idealized world? Where we are all heroes? I mean if one is fat in RL... why would he play a game and be a hero who ALSO is fat? On top, being fat is unhealthy and games should not promote unhealthy things.
I dunno Elikal, look at pro K1 fighters, wrestlers and kick boxers; some are lean and all muscle but there are overweight fighters amongst those as well.
Maybe your preferences for athletic male bodies is simply esthetical?
I for one, applaud any extra customization option as long as they are believable. I remember some Aion screenshots where you could do totally disproportionate stuff with sliders (long limbs, no necks, etc) and I don't like that either but a little big-bonedness is a great addition. Realistic diversity is what character building should be about. It's not like the big-boned character option is Hutt-level obesity
I'D hoped for... more. I dunno. Some more neat things here and there. That's all I am saying. Not a revolutionary different niche MMO. But... I dunno *something* more than... this.
Have you played TOR yet?
You know I can not answer this. Or in the immortal words of Admiral Ackbar: ITS A TRAP! ^^
You can say whether or not you are in the beta and that a beta exists.
So you can say whether or not you have played the game. Also could have played at a gaming event some where.
I just wonder how you KNOW it's not something "more" if you haven't played it?
If you have played it and feel that way, then I respect your opinion and look forward to hearing the details when the NDA drops
Logical, but alas logic does not apply in MMORPG.com. If I would say I was in beta, people would start reporting EVERYTHING I say as "based on beta info". So I deny I am in beta and rather be called a fool by you than being banned by a mod.
So either you are a liar OR you are a liar by what you are suggesting with you little wink there, right? Something I remind my children often enough - "If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
I love these discussions of the ideal way a game the size of TOR should be in an ideal world.
Whilst the idea for the game may have started out, as most, from a posiition of nerdy glee, the bottom line is that the mounting budget of SWTOR is far too gargantuan and the dominant interests too far out of the hands of the artists/writers/game designers/creative people to have the kind of hippy-free-for-all-pow-wow chats, discussions, feed-back and innovation that is suggested. As far as Bioware (the corporate entity, as opposed to the creative people wearing the electric punishment-collars) are concerned , it HAS to succeed, if that's as a generic product that appeals to as broad an audience as possible then so be it.
All considerations for making something truly new, great and appealing to a wow-sick audience are far from their concerns, if indeed that ever was their concern to begin with. The old sickly truism of money empowering the creation of great things yet stultifying them in the process. To paraphrase the writer Charles Beaumont: 'taking a creative idea to fruition in the business world is like climbing a mountain made entirely of cow dung in order to pluck a perfect rose from the summit, only to find that once you reach the summit, you've lost your sense of smell'.
With a hopeful expectation as diminished as a steroid-abusers genitals, I for one plan to enjoy my generic slop.
I don't envy their forum mods. SWG fans, WOW players, WOW haters, Star Wars nerds... an explosive mix. I hope they do not go too far and censor the wong stuff.
I got a post deleted with troll warning, because I said I wanted no fat Sith Lords. I don't have something against fat people, but... I don't want to see fat BH or fat Sith Lords or Jedi, because thats just absurd and implausible. I dunno whats trolling about that, but apparently Bioware is a bit overly sensitive here.
The irony in that statement is amazing.
o.0 Why so? Explanashiun pls.
BTW I have nothing against black people but I don't want to see any black jedi or BH since it's just implausible,
Yours Sincerely,
Samuel Jackson.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
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Logical, but alas logic does not apply in MMORPG.com. If I would say I was in beta, people would start reporting EVERYTHING I say as "based on beta info". So I deny I am in beta and rather be called a fool by you than being banned by a mod.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
I felt this way too, I've been in beta for a while, and only recently announced as such, however, it doesn't really matter too much, most of what we say nowadays is backed up by a lot of other information. Sure we can't get into direct mechanics of some things, but, I take it as a mild inference if someone disagrees and I point to what has already been eluded to.
Its more common that the haters and complainers decrying SWTORs systems are wrong then the previous videos, interviews and posts from BioWare themselves, though some of what BioWare has said is a little dated at this point, but still very useful for basic reference material to actual game systems and mechanics.
You rebel!
That's why I just put in a nice sig begging mods to just delete my posts when I go off on a tangent instead of banning me for X days lol.
Hence, why I have 0 stars but like 3000 post count
Wait are you saying that ignorance leads to bad posting?
But I thought we were SUPPOSED to do nothing but use buzz words and call each other names?
Yeah. Some good points too. Great article really. One can only hope they'll put it to heart.
My personal impressions from occasionaly lurking the Swtor forums have been pretty good. They are pretty fast on the ball with yellow dev replies when uncertainties and important questions arise and generally are polite and concise in their answers.
I really hope they can maintain somekind of level of sanity on their forums though. Will be very hard.
My brand new bloggity blog.
Well.... that IS what we're SUPPOSED to do, and we're lucky so many people oblige.
Bioware's downfall will be from listening to outside forces and not sticking to their own guns.
I don't envy their forum mods. SWG fans, WOW players, WOW haters, Star Wars nerds... an explosive mix. I hope they do not go too far and censor the wong stuff.
I got a post deleted with troll warning, because I said I wanted no fat Sith Lords. I don't have something against fat people, but... I don't want to see fat BH or fat Sith Lords or Jedi, because thats just absurd and implausible. I dunno whats trolling about that, but apparently Bioware is a bit overly sensitive here.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Please, for the love of the midichlorians, Bioware, keep your forums from devolving into the shambling cannibalistic cave dweeler that the WoW forums became.
TRUST THE COMPUTER! THE COMPUTER IS YOUR FRIEND!
Stay Alert! Trust No One! Keep Your Laser Handy!
Yellow Clearance Black Box Blues!
Good link. Even the posters replying made very good points in that article. Quite a few funny ones.
"TO MICHAEL!"
I guess in a similar way your response is on a par..... Opinions Opinions, Bioware have consistentley delivered and unless you have some fantastic reputation I think I will side with the professionals.
If I didn't know better I would say the article is lacking for all the right reasons the author is a fail, and adds little.
________________________________________________________
Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
Talking common sense here is a bad idead +1; I agree with you.
________________________________________________________
Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
You forgot how important Lucas Arts is to this as well. Bioware has to run all major ideas in front of them as well. This I fear could really slow down updates as well as anything that smacks of controversy.
The irony in that statement is amazing.
Currently Playing: World of Warcraft
I hope as well, but I doubt it will happen. I still remember the Galaxies forum wars between the jedi players and bounty hunters. Bounty hunters would figure out a template that worked and jedi would demand skills from it nerfed, which effected not only bounty hunters but also the other professions that used it. I see similiar issues here happening because you KNOW that people are going to go jedi because they think they'll be able to pawn everyone else in game just by virtue of playing jedi.
Currently Playing: World of Warcraft
Such a shame that there are so many guild spammers in their forums : I just more or less stick to the tester feedback thread.
"LOL"
o.0 Why so? Explanashiun pls.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
CAUSE YO SO FAT U MAKE UR PROFILE PIC DARK!
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/innovation
Lol, you do not understand my point. I don't care if you or I are fat, because you and I are no Jedi Knight and no Bounty Hunter.
It is just illogical that a BH or a Jedi is fat, because... HOW can they do their job then? Doesn't it imply to be fit, active and agile? It just makes no sense, you see.
Besides, isn't a game an idealized world? Where we are all heroes? I mean if one is fat in RL... why would he play a game and be a hero who ALSO is fat? On top, being fat is unhealthy and games should not promote unhealthy things.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
This is very quotable. I may steal it.
Joined 2004 - I can't believe I've been a MMORPG.com member for 20 years! Get off my lawn!
Well, what I meant above was for a joke. But since your all serious, I'll meet your comment. It is up to the Business. All they want are profits, and they will add anything in there that will get them money. I'm not saying corporate greed or anything, I'm just telling it how it is. You can't make everyone happy, and the last thing you want to do is to please the majority if your all about profit. Cause you will lose all the $ the majorty will bring in. That is why male/male and female/female marriages aren't really seen. It is minority. Same thing with the ability to make fat chars, to please the majority ( not saying that is what majority wants). A game is whatever the majority wants. If they want fantas, go ahead make $, if they want pickle worlds, they will make. Also, they can promote whatever they want. That is like when they anned the show on Elmo when Katy Perry sung. It is pointless. I'll be fat if I want to be fat, I'll drink, smoke etc if i want to. I make my own decisions, not some game or tv show. And parents need to start helping there kids understnad what these are, rather than just covering there eyes to it.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/innovation
I dunno Elikal, look at pro K1 fighters, wrestlers and kick boxers; some are lean and all muscle but there are overweight fighters amongst those as well.
Maybe your preferences for athletic male bodies is simply esthetical?
I for one, applaud any extra customization option as long as they are believable. I remember some Aion screenshots where you could do totally disproportionate stuff with sliders (long limbs, no necks, etc) and I don't like that either but a little big-bonedness is a great addition. Realistic diversity is what character building should be about. It's not like the big-boned character option is Hutt-level obesity
The horrible Aion example which I meant:
My brand new bloggity blog.
So either you are a liar OR you are a liar by what you are suggesting with you little wink there, right? Something I remind my children often enough - "If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
I love these discussions of the ideal way a game the size of TOR should be in an ideal world.
Whilst the idea for the game may have started out, as most, from a posiition of nerdy glee, the bottom line is that the mounting budget of SWTOR is far too gargantuan and the dominant interests too far out of the hands of the artists/writers/game designers/creative people to have the kind of hippy-free-for-all-pow-wow chats, discussions, feed-back and innovation that is suggested. As far as Bioware (the corporate entity, as opposed to the creative people wearing the electric punishment-collars) are concerned , it HAS to succeed, if that's as a generic product that appeals to as broad an audience as possible then so be it.
All considerations for making something truly new, great and appealing to a wow-sick audience are far from their concerns, if indeed that ever was their concern to begin with. The old sickly truism of money empowering the creation of great things yet stultifying them in the process. To paraphrase the writer Charles Beaumont: 'taking a creative idea to fruition in the business world is like climbing a mountain made entirely of cow dung in order to pluck a perfect rose from the summit, only to find that once you reach the summit, you've lost your sense of smell'.
With a hopeful expectation as diminished as a steroid-abusers genitals, I for one plan to enjoy my generic slop.
BTW I have nothing against black people but I don't want to see any black jedi or BH since it's just implausible,
Yours Sincerely,
Samuel Jackson.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis