Lol, you do not understand my point. I don't care if you or I are fat, because you and I are no Jedi Knight and no Bounty Hunter.
It is just illogical that a BH or a Jedi is fat, because... HOW can they do their job then? Doesn't it imply to be fit, active and agile? It just makes no sense, you see.
Besides, isn't a game an idealized world? Where we are all heroes? I mean if one is fat in RL... why would he play a game and be a hero who ALSO is fat? On top, being fat is unhealthy and games should not promote unhealthy things.
I dunno Elikal, look at pro K1 fighters, wrestlers and kick boxers; some are lean and all muscle but there are overweight fighters amongst those as well.
Maybe your preferences for athletic male bodies is simply esthetical?
I for one, applaud any extra customization option as long as they are believable.
Me too, I've always wanted to play a fat knacker in a MMO, and I'm still gutted that Pirates of the Burning Sea didn't have a fat body option.
As for the Jedi need to be fit and athletic, I'm not sure if that's true given the power of the Force. I mean look at Yoda: he's a two foot tall gremlin with tiny legs and arms who looks like a scrotum, yet he can jump 30 feet in the air and kick as much ass as needs to be kicked.
And if a direct, if slightly unserious, Star Wars example isn't good enough, take a look at Samo Hung - he's fairly old now and has been fat all of his life, yet he's an incredible martial artist, both off and on screen. Sure, he's the exeption rather than the norm, but player characters in MMOs are always the exception. The norm in MMOs is the trash mobs we slaughter in their legions.
So after making my Mexicanesque Smuggler I'll be making a chubby Jedi Consular alt, because I really don't want to play any more generic pin-up guys.
Lol, you do not understand my point. I don't care if you or I are fat, because you and I are no Jedi Knight and no Bounty Hunter.
It is just illogical that a BH or a Jedi is fat, because... HOW can they do their job then? Doesn't it imply to be fit, active and agile? It just makes no sense, you see.
Besides, isn't a game an idealized world? Where we are all heroes? I mean if one is fat in RL... why would he play a game and be a hero who ALSO is fat? On top, being fat is unhealthy and games should not promote unhealthy things.
I dunno Elikal, look at pro K1 fighters, wrestlers and kick boxers; some are lean and all muscle but there are overweight fighters amongst those as well.
Maybe your preferences for athletic male bodies is simply esthetical?
I for one, applaud any extra customization option as long as they are believable.
Me too, I've always wanted to play a fat knacker in a MMO, and I'm still gutted that Pirates of the Burning Sea didn't have a fat body option.
As for the Jedi need to be fit and athletic, I'm not sure if that's true given the power of the Force. I mean look at Yoda: he's a two foot tall gremlin with tiny legs and arms who looks like a scrotum, yet he can jump 30 feet in the air and kick as much ass as needs to be kicked.
And if a direct, if slightly unserious, Star Wars example isn't good enough, take a look at Samo Hung - he's fairly old now and has been fat all of his life, yet he's an incredible martial artist, both off and on screen. Sure, he's the exeption rather than the norm, but player characters in MMOs are always the exception. The norm in MMOs is the trash mobs we slaughter in their legions.
So after making my Mexicanesque Smuggler I'll be making a chubby Jedi Consular alt, because I really don't want to play any more generic pin-up guys.
Bwuahahaha! That makes me laugh. Wishing Bioware listens. *wipes tears from the eyes*
You mean the "we can't talk about this" company? When DA2 was flamed as big failure everywhere, all they admitted was "it had a different philosophy". lol. Yeah. Aristotle had a different philosophy, Descartes had a different philosophy, but DA2 just was a FAILGAME.
As to TOR... I expect a lot of harsh critique in the reviews once the game launches. While some parts seem to be really cool, it has way too many flaws, which just exist because they did NOT listen, because they totally ignored every substantial critique and their PR washed bla bla is already on par with Blizzard levels. Like Mr. Ericksons "we won't add alien races because players are too dumb to indentify with them". Bioware ALWAYS talked down on players, they NEVER give any real, detailled explanations of their thinking and planning - much on contraty to ANet and their very detailled explanations behind everything done in GW2. If you want to look how GOOD communication and explanation is look at ANets blogs VS those arrogant, non-caring PR washed Bioware statements!
When the same gender topic was first mentioned, TWO YEARS AGO, and still they "forgot" to add same gender characters! FORGOT! And then, when some dev accidentally spoils there are none in it, it takes Bioware EIGHT WEEKS just to say "we add them later", and when Mr.Erickson is asked, if he wants to explain the idea behind it by a journalist, he just answers: "No". End of debate, the Leader has spoken. If that is not arrogant, I don't know WHAT IS!
But as Blizzards WOW proofs, the old saying about the flies and the shit eating is still true. It will be a roaring financial success, just as WOW, but an equally mediocre and superfluous game in any term of bringing the genre ahead. Bioware is a bunch of arrogant, self-righteous folks if ever I have seen one!
The game hasn't even launched and I am ALREADY pissed about their behavior!
Jeesh talk about trap 3 here. DA2 was different philosophy, try yourself do AAA game in 2 years! Fact that you don't get it means you don't get whole game business. And Anet, just lol. These are guys who pull smoke covers about having some miracle content system that allows them to make same money without monthly payments, bullshit yells rest of industry. Listening what loud mouths like you yell in forums isn't gonna make good product, proofs seen in Apple and new coming of Microsoft.
Bwuahahaha! That makes me laugh. Wishing Bioware listens. *wipes tears from the eyes*
You mean the "we can't talk about this" company? When DA2 was flamed as big failure everywhere, all they admitted was "it had a different philosophy". lol. Yeah. Aristotle had a different philosophy, Descartes had a different philosophy, but DA2 just was a FAILGAME.
As to TOR... I expect a lot of harsh critique in the reviews once the game launches. While some parts seem to be really cool, it has way too many flaws, which just exist because they did NOT listen, because they totally ignored every substantial critique and their PR washed bla bla is already on par with Blizzard levels. Like Mr. Ericksons "we won't add alien races because players are too dumb to indentify with them". Bioware ALWAYS talked down on players, they NEVER give any real, detailled explanations of their thinking and planning - much on contraty to ANet and their very detailled explanations behind everything done in GW2. If you want to look how GOOD communication and explanation is look at ANets blogs VS those arrogant, non-caring PR washed Bioware statements!
When the same gender topic was first mentioned, TWO YEARS AGO, and still they "forgot" to add same gender characters! FORGOT! And then, when some dev accidentally spoils there are none in it, it takes Bioware EIGHT WEEKS just to say "we add them later", and when Mr.Erickson is asked, if he wants to explain the idea behind it by a journalist, he just answers: "No". End of debate, the Leader has spoken. If that is not arrogant, I don't know WHAT IS!
But as Blizzards WOW proofs, the old saying about the flies and the shit eating is still true. It will be a roaring financial success, just as WOW, but an equally mediocre and superfluous game in any term of bringing the genre ahead. Bioware is a bunch of arrogant, self-righteous folks if ever I have seen one!
The game hasn't even launched and I am ALREADY pissed about their behavior!
Jeesh talk about trap 3 here. DA2 was different philosophy, try yourself do AAA game in 2 years! Fact that you don't get it means you don't get whole game business. And Anet, just lol. These are guys who pull smoke covers about having some miracle content system that allows them to make same money without monthly payments, bullshit yells rest of industry. Listening what loud mouths like you yell in forums isn't gonna make good product, proofs seen in Apple and new coming of Microsoft.
Hahah yeah totally! It's not like ANet hasn't already released a game without a monthly fee that was profitable or anything...oh w8...
Jeesh talk about trap 3 here. DA2 was different philosophy, try yourself do AAA game in 2 years! Fact that you don't get it means you don't get whole game business. And Anet, just lol. These are guys who pull smoke covers about having some miracle content system that allows them to make same money without monthly payments, bullshit yells rest of industry. Listening what loud mouths like you yell in forums isn't gonna make good product, proofs seen in Apple and new coming of Microsoft.
Hahah yeah totally! It's not like ANet hasn't already released a game without a monthly fee that was profitable or anything...oh w8...
The original Guild Wars was not really an MMO in that everything took place in tiny instances. It did not require the same level of server architecture that a game like Guild Wars 2 will require. It is still unclear (at least to me) how Anet plans to pay to maintain their servers with no monthly fees. I would bet that there will be a cash shop and that the game will resemble a F2P model in many ways. That is just my assumption... could be wrong.
Hate to break it to the fanboys but things like morality choices, choices and consequences were not invented by Bioware, those things have already existed before Bioware's first RPG(for example, Fallout, which I believe wasn't even the first that has choices and consequences). When compared to other WRPGs, Bioware is the epitome of mediocrity and the only thing that has going for their games are polish and exposure.
Hate to break it to the fanboys but things like morality choices, choices and consequences were not invented by Bioware, those things have already existed before Bioware's first RPG(for example, Fallout, which I believe wasn't even the first that has choices and consequences). When compared to other WRPGs, Bioware is the epitome of mediocrity and the only thing that has going for their games are polish and exposure.
Yah because mediocre companies like Bioware stick around and sell boatloads of games and get rave reviews simply because of polish and exposure.. It has nothing to do with content at all.
Hate to break it to the fanboys but things like morality choices, choices and consequences were not invented by Bioware, those things have already existed before Bioware's first RPG(for example, Fallout, which I believe wasn't even the first that has choices and consequences). When compared to other WRPGs, Bioware is the epitome of mediocrity and the only thing that has going for their games are polish and exposure.
Yeah everyone remembers those awesome classic games, which probably existed, and surely had a name! Man I use to play the hell out of that game!!
Stupid noobs at bioware pushing out garbage games that are highly polished and exposed!!!
Obviously, some peoples here have not played Black Isle games(Fallout 1,2, Planescape Torment, Icewind Dale). And those were just a few examples among other great ones
Oh BTW when it comes to story and CnC, Black Isle Studios(and now Obsidian Entertainment) easily put Bioware to shame
Obviously, some peoples here have not played Black Isle games(Fallout 1,2, Planescape Torment, Icewind Dale). And those were just a few examples among other great ones
Now see, adding that to your original Bioware hate post would have made it more of a post, less of a troll attempt :P
Someone is being over dramatic, over reacting and being a huge drama queen yet again when it comes to SWTOR. No cookies for guessing who
As for Bioware not listening (even though i believe they listen to all the feedback) i believe it is a great attitude and they should stick to their guns and not get influenced by fickle gamers who half of the time don't even know what they really want. Bioware knows how to design a game and they don't need lessons from random rageful forum goers.
IMHO the author of the massively article was ASS-suming things. The ppl at Bioware arent stupid. Massively dont exactly like Swtor anyways so I take what they write mostly with a grain of salt.
****Dark Lord of the Sith Darth Rabbid is in line to control the Dark council and become the new Emporer!***
All my opinions are just that..opinions. If you like my opinions..coolness.If you dont like my opinion....I really dont care. Playing: ESO, WOT, Smite, and Marvel Heroes
Hate to break it to the fanboys but things like morality choices, choices and consequences were not invented by Bioware, those things have already existed before Bioware's first RPG(for example, Fallout, which I believe wasn't even the first that has choices and consequences). When compared to other WRPGs, Bioware is the epitome of mediocrity and the only thing that has going for their games are polish and exposure.
Oh noes! I had so much fun with the KotOR series, and was poised to have a blast with TOR. But now that I know that they weren't the first to have consequences in their games, I realize that they sucked!
And suddenly my massive appreciation of the Fallout series is even in peril!!! What if they weren't the first games to do it? I'll be forever stuck between loving the games and thinking they're crap until I know!
Oh cruel virtual life... how you mock me!!!@!@11!1!!!1!
Obviously, some peoples here have not played Black Isle games(Fallout 1,2, Planescape Torment, Icewind Dale). And those were just a few examples among other great ones
Oh BTW when it comes to story and CnC, Black Isle Studios(and now Obsidian Entertainment) easily put Bioware to shame
So you're saying that... if only someone had played those games, that they wouldn't like Bioware games?
Hate to break it to the fanboys but things like morality choices, choices and consequences were not invented by Bioware, those things have already existed before Bioware's first RPG(for example, Fallout, which I believe wasn't even the first that has choices and consequences). When compared to other WRPGs, Bioware is the epitome of mediocrity and the only thing that has going for their games are polish and exposure.
And your point is? that only because morality choices existed prior to Bioware's RPGs somehow it is less fun and immersive? how does it make Bioware an epitome of medicority?
IMHO the author of the massively article was ASS-suming things. The ppl at Bioware arent stupid. Massively dont exactly like Swtor anyways so I take what they write mostly with a grain of salt.
****Dark Lord of the Sith Darth Rabbid is in line to control the Dark council and become the new Emporer!***
And you know what happens when you ASSume... you make and ass out of Uma Thurman!
That said, it's not a bad article. It's just funny how it seems to be directed at BW, when it's advice ANY game developer should take.
Obviously, some peoples here have not played Black Isle games(Fallout 1,2, Planescape Torment, Icewind Dale). And those were just a few examples among other great ones
Oh BTW when it comes to story and CnC, Black Isle Studios(and now Obsidian Entertainment) easily put Bioware to shame
Nothing factual about this statement bro this is purely your opinion because I infact have played Fallout 1 and Icewind Dale and don't feel that way and I would assume for people who like those TYPES of games there are some more out there who also don't feel the same way you do sorry to have to tell you your opinions do not form fact for the rest of the world.
Obviously, some peoples here have not played Black Isle games(Fallout 1,2, Planescape Torment, Icewind Dale). And those were just a few examples among other great ones
Oh BTW when it comes to story and CnC, Black Isle Studios(and now Obsidian Entertainment) easily put Bioware to shame
Oh so thats why they ended up buying BioWares engine to make some of those games? Because they just put BioWare to shame so hard? Games like Planescape or Icewinddale. And why BioWare is where they are today and Black Isle... closed down and most of the staff had to move to obsidian?
Nothing factual about this statement bro this is purely your opinion because I infact have played Fallout 1 and Icewind Dale and don't feel that way and I would assume for people who like those TYPES of games there are some more out there who also don't feel the same way you do sorry to have to tell you your opinions do not form fact for the rest of the world.
Some people here said Bioware invented morality choices, CnC, I simply presented my evidences that contradict their statements, which BTW has nothing to do about opinion here, because Fallout 1(a game which had choices and consequences) was released before Bioware's first RPG, this.is.fact.
Originally posted by maskedweasel
Oh so thats why they ended up buying BioWares engine to make some of those games? Because they just put BioWare to shame so hard? Games like Planescape or Icewinddale. And why BioWare is where they are today and Black Isle... closed down and most of the staff had to move to obsidian?
Good to know, thanks for the information.
Yeah, they bought Bioware engine, so? It's still their design, still their story. (Oh BTW, only PST and IWD used Infinity Engine, Fallout 1,2 didn't). And Bioware is were they are today because they weren't owned by a retarded company named Interplay Entertainment.
Again, if you want to argue with me about Bioware's supposed superiority you can PM me.
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Me too, I've always wanted to play a fat knacker in a MMO, and I'm still gutted that Pirates of the Burning Sea didn't have a fat body option.
As for the Jedi need to be fit and athletic, I'm not sure if that's true given the power of the Force. I mean look at Yoda: he's a two foot tall gremlin with tiny legs and arms who looks like a scrotum, yet he can jump 30 feet in the air and kick as much ass as needs to be kicked.
And if a direct, if slightly unserious, Star Wars example isn't good enough, take a look at Samo Hung - he's fairly old now and has been fat all of his life, yet he's an incredible martial artist, both off and on screen. Sure, he's the exeption rather than the norm, but player characters in MMOs are always the exception. The norm in MMOs is the trash mobs we slaughter in their legions.
So after making my Mexicanesque Smuggler I'll be making a chubby Jedi Consular alt, because I really don't want to play any more generic pin-up guys.
Muha ... muha .... MUHAHAHA! Great quote that.
Needless to say I agree with your post.
My brand new bloggity blog.
Jeesh talk about trap 3 here. DA2 was different philosophy, try yourself do AAA game in 2 years! Fact that you don't get it means you don't get whole game business. And Anet, just lol. These are guys who pull smoke covers about having some miracle content system that allows them to make same money without monthly payments, bullshit yells rest of industry. Listening what loud mouths like you yell in forums isn't gonna make good product, proofs seen in Apple and new coming of Microsoft.
Hahah yeah totally! It's not like ANet hasn't already released a game without a monthly fee that was profitable or anything...oh w8...
Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
The original Guild Wars was not really an MMO in that everything took place in tiny instances. It did not require the same level of server architecture that a game like Guild Wars 2 will require. It is still unclear (at least to me) how Anet plans to pay to maintain their servers with no monthly fees. I would bet that there will be a cash shop and that the game will resemble a F2P model in many ways. That is just my assumption... could be wrong.
Hate to break it to the fanboys but things like morality choices, choices and consequences were not invented by Bioware, those things have already existed before Bioware's first RPG(for example, Fallout, which I believe wasn't even the first that has choices and consequences). When compared to other WRPGs, Bioware is the epitome of mediocrity and the only thing that has going for their games are polish and exposure.
Yah because mediocre companies like Bioware stick around and sell boatloads of games and get rave reviews simply because of polish and exposure.. It has nothing to do with content at all.
Yeah everyone remembers those awesome classic games, which probably existed, and surely had a name! Man I use to play the hell out of that game!!
Stupid noobs at bioware pushing out garbage games that are highly polished and exposed!!!
Obviously, some peoples here have not played Black Isle games(Fallout 1,2, Planescape Torment, Icewind Dale). And those were just a few examples among other great ones
Oh BTW when it comes to story and CnC, Black Isle Studios(and now Obsidian Entertainment) easily put Bioware to shame
Now see, adding that to your original Bioware hate post would have made it more of a post, less of a troll attempt :P
Just saying
Someone is being over dramatic, over reacting and being a huge drama queen yet again when it comes to SWTOR. No cookies for guessing who
As for Bioware not listening (even though i believe they listen to all the feedback) i believe it is a great attitude and they should stick to their guns and not get influenced by fickle gamers who half of the time don't even know what they really want. Bioware knows how to design a game and they don't need lessons from random rageful forum goers.
IMHO the author of the massively article was ASS-suming things. The ppl at Bioware arent stupid. Massively dont exactly like Swtor anyways so I take what they write mostly with a grain of salt.
****Dark Lord of the Sith Darth Rabbid is in line to control the Dark council and become the new Emporer!***
All my opinions are just that..opinions. If you like my opinions..coolness.If you dont like my opinion....I really dont care.
Playing: ESO, WOT, Smite, and Marvel Heroes
Oh noes! I had so much fun with the KotOR series, and was poised to have a blast with TOR. But now that I know that they weren't the first to have consequences in their games, I realize that they sucked!
And suddenly my massive appreciation of the Fallout series is even in peril!!! What if they weren't the first games to do it? I'll be forever stuck between loving the games and thinking they're crap until I know!
Oh cruel virtual life... how you mock me!!!@!@11!1!!!1!
So you're saying that... if only someone had played those games, that they wouldn't like Bioware games?
Because... ummm...
Nah, just seeing the massive amount of blissful ignorance really annoyed me quite a bit so I had to say a little something.
Oh and I have no desire to play SWTOR and never will, so peace out. If you want to argue with me you can pm me
And your point is? that only because morality choices existed prior to Bioware's RPGs somehow it is less fun and immersive? how does it make Bioware an epitome of medicority?
And you know what happens when you ASSume... you make and ass out of Uma Thurman!
That said, it's not a bad article. It's just funny how it seems to be directed at BW, when it's advice ANY game developer should take.
Nothing factual about this statement bro this is purely your opinion because I infact have played Fallout 1 and Icewind Dale and don't feel that way and I would assume for people who like those TYPES of games there are some more out there who also don't feel the same way you do sorry to have to tell you your opinions do not form fact for the rest of the world.
Oh so thats why they ended up buying BioWares engine to make some of those games? Because they just put BioWare to shame so hard? Games like Planescape or Icewinddale. And why BioWare is where they are today and Black Isle... closed down and most of the staff had to move to obsidian?
Good to know, thanks for the information.
What makes you think people that like BW's games DON'T know about previous parable games?
Yeah, that's the spirit!
Come in here, start an argument, then leave when it gets too hot. Sheesh. Don't bother next time -.-.
Oh, that, and don't act like you're the oldest gamer in here. because I promise you, you're not.
Yeah, start a completely meaningless argument. Atleast that troll had the intelligence not to say something about wow clone lol
Well, when comparing TOR to anything, WoW comes closest.
Is that a bad thing? No.
Yeah, they bought Bioware engine, so? It's still their design, still their story. (Oh BTW, only PST and IWD used Infinity Engine, Fallout 1,2 didn't). And Bioware is were they are today because they weren't owned by a retarded company named Interplay Entertainment.
Again, if you want to argue with me about Bioware's supposed superiority you can PM me.