Nah, just seeing the massive amount of blissful ignorance really annoyed me quite a bit so I had to say a little something.
Oh and I have no desire to play SWTOR and never will, so peace out. If you want to argue with me you can pm me
Yeah, that's the spirit!
Come in here, start an argument, then leave when it gets too hot. Sheesh. Don't bother next time -.-.
Yeah, start a completely meaningless argument. Atleast that troll had the intelligence not to say something about wow clone lol
Well, when comparing TOR to anything, WoW comes closest.
Is that a bad thing? No.
Not just WOW but every themepark MMO. But being closest doesn't necessarily makes it a WOW clone. For it to be a clone of WOW, SWTOR has to be an exact copy which it is not. SWTOR is a themeoark MMO and plays like one.
I believe that people who have nothing better to say or just run out of arguments bring up the term ' WOW clone' in order to get emotional response and attention.
Come in here, start an argument, then leave when it gets too hot. Sheesh. Don't bother next time -.-.
Oh, that, and don't act like you're the oldest gamer in here. because I promise you, you're not.
Nah, the only reason is because I don't want to get perm-banned, I'm quite well prepared for these kinds of arguements.
Peace.
No you are not prepared. All you have done is made pointless comparisons on basis of personal opinion. And how can one argue opinions and preferences? you can not. You like apples others like oranges. What is to argue about?
I knowright.. I laugh everytime a hater calls ToR a Wow clone.. Ill take a tried and proven formula that I happen to love (only reason I dont play wow is because I have played it faaaaar to much) over some hyped up gimmicks anyday
Jeesh talk about trap 3 here. DA2 was different philosophy, try yourself do AAA game in 2 years! Fact that you don't get it means you don't get whole game business. And Anet, just lol. These are guys who pull smoke covers about having some miracle content system that allows them to make same money without monthly payments, bullshit yells rest of industry. Listening what loud mouths like you yell in forums isn't gonna make good product, proofs seen in Apple and new coming of Microsoft.
Hahah yeah totally! It's not like ANet hasn't already released a game without a monthly fee that was profitable or anything...oh w8...
The original Guild Wars was not really an MMO in that everything took place in tiny instances. It did not require the same level of server architecture that a game like Guild Wars 2 will require. It is still unclear (at least to me) how Anet plans to pay to maintain their servers with no monthly fees. I would bet that there will be a cash shop and that the game will resemble a F2P model in many ways. That is just my assumption... could be wrong.
A few things.
First, where do you think all those instances for GW1 were hosted? They weren't hosted on the clients like XBL, they were hosted on the servers. You can tell this, because whenever you lose your internet connection, your session dies. This is also stated here: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/gw-instances-t119038.html.
Second, I would like to refer you to NCSoft's quarterly report (http://www.ncsoft.net/global/ir/earnings.aspx). You will see that the "bandwidth expense" is only noted as part of "other expenses." It doesn't even have its own field. And this is for ALL of NCSoft's properties. That a monthly fee is required to support the server infrastructure and bandwidth expense of an MMORPG is a myth. Maybe it used to be true in the 90's when UO came out, but it's not true anymore.
Third, GW2 will have a cash shop, but it will only sell cosmetic items much like GW1 (according to ANet). I'm inclined to believe them on this. Considering that GW2's philosophy on PvP is that everyone should be the same level and have all abilities available to them, I see it as very unlikely that they will implement anything like P2W.
No you are not prepared. All you have done is made pointless comparisons on basis of personal opinion. And how can one argue opinions and preferences? you can not. You like apples others like oranges. What is to argue about?
I thought I said that my intention was proving that Bioware did not invent CnC in RPGs, which I did so successfully. It's not a matter of opinion, but factual.
And if it's all about the matter of "subjective" then we might as well erase "Better, worse......" and the likes from our vocalary, or is it that Bioware fans(and your) opinion worth more than mine, you have the right to state your opinion(and sometime spout them as "facts") but I don't?
And way, like I said, if you want to argue with me about Bioware's alleged superiority then PM me
No you are not prepared. All you have done is made pointless comparisons on basis of personal opinion. And how can one argue opinions and preferences? you can not. You like apples others like oranges. What is to argue about?
I thought I said that my intention was proving that Bioware did not invent CnC in RPGs, which I did so successfully. It's not a matter of opinion, but factual.
And if it's all about the matter of "subjective" then we might as well erase "Better, worse......" and the likes from our vocalary, or is it that Bioware fans(and your) opinion worth more than mine, you have the right to state your opinion(and sometime spout them as "facts") but I don't?
And way, like I said, if you want to argue with me about Bioware's alleged superiority then PM me
This will be my last post in this topic
To be honest, anyone that thought Bioware invented choices in CRPGs wouldn't be worth arguing with. Sure Bioware invented alot of stuff if your 15 Bioware makes some of the best games in the world, thats a fact not my opinion. Please do like you keep saying and make this your last post in this topic.. If you hate Bioware and ToR so much, why dont you go chat with all your awesome GW2 fanboy buddies... surely they have intelligent meaningful conversations?
BioWare (much like Blizzard) can't win. If their game is popular, they'll becom criticised for not communicating with their [massive amount of] players. if they push out content too fast, they'll be blasted for it being buggy and in need of more testing. If they push it out too slowly, they'll point at Rift and say content should be coming out faster (there's a reason Rift has 40 hotfixes for every major update).
I like the end of the article as well where it says "This last trap I want to address directly to BioWare. Hey guys? Not everyone's going to fall prostrate at your approach, kiss your feet, and claim that you sweat sunshine because of SWTOR." Such a preposterous statement because as we know, there's not one single game in development at this moment that is getting such treatment from its critics. I have no idea with this person is talking about...
BioWare (much like Blizzard) can't win. If their game is popular, they'll becom criticised for not communicating with their [massive amount of] players. if they push out content too fast, they'll be blasted for it being buggy and in need of more testing. If they push it out too slowly, they'll point at Rift and say content should be coming out faster (there's a reason Rift has 40 hotfixes for every major update).
I like the end of the article as well where it says "This last trap I want to address directly to BioWare. Hey guys? Not everyone's going to fall prostrate at your approach, kiss your feet, and claim that you sweat sunshine because of SWTOR." Such a preposterous statement because as we know, there's not one single game in development at this moment that is getting such treatment from its critics. I have no idea with this person is talking about...
Preparing their offensive in case it succeeds, maybe? Foreshadowing their narrative?
Oh so thats why they ended up buying BioWares engine to make some of those games? Because they just put BioWare to shame so hard? Games like Planescape or Icewinddale. And why BioWare is where they are today and Black Isle... closed down and most of the staff had to move to obsidian?
Good to know, thanks for the information.
Yeah, they bought Bioware engine, so? It's still their design, still their story. (Oh BTW, only PST and IWD used Infinity Engine, Fallout 1,2 didn't). And Bioware is were they are today because they weren't owned by a retarded company named Interplay Entertainment.
Again, if you want to argue with me about Bioware's supposed superiority you can PM me.
I don't have to argue it. Its already pretty well known BioWare is one of the top developers out there today.
Lol, you do not understand my point. I don't care if you or I are fat, because you and I are no Jedi Knight and no Bounty Hunter.
It is just illogical that a BH or a Jedi is fat, because... HOW can they do their job then? Doesn't it imply to be fit, active and agile? It just makes no sense, you see.
Besides, isn't a game an idealized world? Where we are all heroes? I mean if one is fat in RL... why would he play a game and be a hero who ALSO is fat? On top, being fat is unhealthy and games should not promote unhealthy things.
I dunno Elikal, look at pro K1 fighters, wrestlers and kick boxers; some are lean and all muscle but there are overweight fighters amongst those as well.
Maybe your preferences for athletic male bodies is simply esthetical?
I for one, applaud any extra customization option as long as they are believable. I remember some Aion screenshots where you could do totally disproportionate stuff with sliders (long limbs, no necks, etc) and I don't like that either but a little big-bonedness is a great addition. Realistic diversity is what character building should be about. It's not like the big-boned character option is Hutt-level obesity
The horrible Aion example which I meant:
Imagine the MMOs were full of fat women. Just for a moment. Wouldn't you guys not be the first to yell "WE DONT WANT TO SEE THAT!" Why ARE there no fat female body models in SWTOR - or almost any MMO? IF this really is about "discrimination" or what some here hint.
And as to the "black Jedi" comment from Agricola: sorry but that is so illogical it HURTS. Being black is not hindering you to train Jedi martial arts, but weighting 200 kilo most certainly IS. Not to speak of the XXXXXL sized Jetpack a BH would need. It is absurd and unrealistic. Besides the gross lack of aethestics. I mean, WHO wants to see that in a Video game? This isn't about REAL people whose feeling can be hurt, this is about entirely fictional, virtual NPCs. Why do game developers put SO MUCH effort in making all female NPCS with ideal measures, and men are FAT AND/OR UGLY? Sorry, you guys measure with two measures. You demand your female characters to be idealized "babes" (like "booth babes") but men can look like Michael Moore!
Sorry, but NO.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Lol, you do not understand my point. I don't care if you or I are fat, because you and I are no Jedi Knight and no Bounty Hunter.
It is just illogical that a BH or a Jedi is fat, because... HOW can they do their job then? Doesn't it imply to be fit, active and agile? It just makes no sense, you see.
Besides, isn't a game an idealized world? Where we are all heroes? I mean if one is fat in RL... why would he play a game and be a hero who ALSO is fat? On top, being fat is unhealthy and games should not promote unhealthy things.
I dunno Elikal, look at pro K1 fighters, wrestlers and kick boxers; some are lean and all muscle but there are overweight fighters amongst those as well.
Maybe your preferences for athletic male bodies is simply esthetical?
I for one, applaud any extra customization option as long as they are believable. I remember some Aion screenshots where you could do totally disproportionate stuff with sliders (long limbs, no necks, etc) and I don't like that either but a little big-bonedness is a great addition. Realistic diversity is what character building should be about. It's not like the big-boned character option is Hutt-level obesity
The horrible Aion example which I meant:
Imagine the MMOs were full of fat women. Just for a moment. Wouldn't you guys not be the first to yell "WE DONT WANT TO SEE THAT!" Why ARE there no fat female body models in SWTOR - or almost any MMO? IF this really is about "discrimination" or what some here hint.
And as to the "black Jedi" comment from Agricola: sorry but that is so illogical it HURTS. Being black is not hindering you to train Jedi martial arts, but weighting 200 kilo most certainly IS. Not to speak of the XXXXXL sized Jetpack a BH would need. It is absurd and unrealistic. Besides the gross lack of aethestics. I mean, WHO wants to see that in a Video game? This isn't about REAL people whose feeling can be hurt, this is about entirely fictional, virtual NPCs. Why do game developers put SO MUCH effort in making all female NPCS with ideal measures, and men are FAT AND/OR UGLY? Sorry, you guys measure with two measures. You demand your female characters to be idealized "babes" (like "booth babes") but men can look like Michael Moore!
Sorry, but NO.
Is it true that there aren't obese female models? I thought they were also in V_V
If so, your point is kind of moot of course. If not, I understand your gripe.
Just don't ever tell me the server you'll be playing on Elikal, because it's really tempting to roll an obese character and run circles around you *huffing* and *puffing* and wiping sweat from my forehead for an hour or so ;-)
Lol, you do not understand my point. I don't care if you or I are fat, because you and I are no Jedi Knight and no Bounty Hunter.
It is just illogical that a BH or a Jedi is fat, because... HOW can they do their job then? Doesn't it imply to be fit, active and agile? It just makes no sense, you see.
Besides, isn't a game an idealized world? Where we are all heroes? I mean if one is fat in RL... why would he play a game and be a hero who ALSO is fat? On top, being fat is unhealthy and games should not promote unhealthy things.
I dunno Elikal, look at pro K1 fighters, wrestlers and kick boxers; some are lean and all muscle but there are overweight fighters amongst those as well.
Maybe your preferences for athletic male bodies is simply esthetical?
I for one, applaud any extra customization option as long as they are believable. I remember some Aion screenshots where you could do totally disproportionate stuff with sliders (long limbs, no necks, etc) and I don't like that either but a little big-bonedness is a great addition. Realistic diversity is what character building should be about. It's not like the big-boned character option is Hutt-level obesity
The horrible Aion example which I meant:
Imagine the MMOs were full of fat women. Just for a moment. Wouldn't you guys not be the first to yell "WE DONT WANT TO SEE THAT!" Why ARE there no fat female body models in SWTOR - or almost any MMO? IF this really is about "discrimination" or what some here hint.
And as to the "black Jedi" comment from Agricola: sorry but that is so illogical it HURTS. Being black is not hindering you to train Jedi martial arts, but weighting 200 kilo most certainly IS. Not to speak of the XXXXXL sized Jetpack a BH would need. It is absurd and unrealistic. Besides the gross lack of aethestics. I mean, WHO wants to see that in a Video game? This isn't about REAL people whose feeling can be hurt, this is about entirely fictional, virtual NPCs. Why do game developers put SO MUCH effort in making all female NPCS with ideal measures, and men are FAT AND/OR UGLY? Sorry, you guys measure with two measures. You demand your female characters to be idealized "babes" (like "booth babes") but men can look like Michael Moore!
Sorry, but NO.
Is it true that there aren't obese female models? I thought they were also in V_V
If so, your point is kind of moot of course. If not, I understand your gripe.
Just don't ever tell me the server you'll be playing on Elikal, because it's really tempting to roll an obese character and run circles around you *huffing* and *puffing* and wiping sweat from my forehead for an hour or so ;-)
Lol. No it's no big issue. But just something irritating. You know, the sort of like a fly constantly buzzing over your head. Sorta.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Hate to break it to the fanboys but things like morality choices, choices and consequences were not invented by Bioware, those things have already existed before Bioware's first RPG(for example, Fallout, which I believe wasn't even the first that has choices and consequences). When compared to other WRPGs, Bioware is the epitome of mediocrity and the only thing that has going for their games are polish and exposure.
Hate to break it to the haters like yourself, but no one cares if Bioware invented morality choices and consequences. Most people looking forward to playing this game could care less if the game is innovative, how similiar to WOW it is, if it using the trinity, that it's not a sandbox, or any of the other nitpicky things you guys constantly whine about. The game looks to be a lot of fun and that is why many are looking forward to it. Period. Just learn to accept that and move on already.
About #1 and #4. They obviously have a tremendous amount of pressure on their shoulders. Add to that long time ago they understood, whatever they'd do some players will never be happy and be very voicy about that. Now think about your favourite sport and how any fan thinks (s)he would do better than say the manager or the faulty player of the day...
Understandably it can lead to turtle, or worst, ostrich behaviour down to condescendence. For now I look at some of their competitors communication management like RIFT and GW2 and well BioWare has some tricks to learn.
#2: Some time ago Blizzard proved it's possible to develop a polished MMO with very few bugs. Now it's time to Trion, the newcomer, to install a new norm being: it's possible to publish quality content fast and financed with subs. (Read between the lines: players have been fooled twice, if not more for a long time...).
This one hurts every MMO studios, as the more players will try RIFT the more they'd expect content to be delivered the agile way.... Thing is delivering V.O. story content takes lots of time and $$$. While BioWare already planned content updates, one can wonder if they'll be delivered fast enough and whether they'll be big enough to keep the players in game and subscribed.
#3: It will be a mess for sure. They'll try to use the heavy ban hammer but players will complain like mad on any other forums than the official ones making as much noise as possible and giving bad press to the studio. The firsts "nerfs" will put the forums down. But before that people will complain how much they want cheaper AC respecs, more freeness to dress their characters, how the soloers wants a normal mode without being obliged to use pets, how the space sim sucks... etc... People will be even less kind with SWTOR & BioWare when F2P GW2 will launch.
I agree with a lot of what the article has to say. I'm not usually one to bitch about not getting in a beta or feeling left out of the loop by a gaming company but this whole experience has been different for me. I have had a thread locked on their boards, a post just deleted outright... I even got a one day ban here on MMORPG for stating information that I thought was 'opinion' and not in violation of any NDA agreement (which by the way I've never read because I'm not in the beta). I am opinionated but I'm not someone that just spends their life typing up trolling, flaming or bitchfest posts, venting my nerdrage to the masses. I've been a member of mmorpg.com since 2004 and NEVER have received a ban before SWTOR. I've always been able to speak my mind.
I feel that Bioware/LA and EA are being extremely arrogant in their approach and marketing in this game release. They seem to know they have the gaming community by their collective balls. I've never paid $150 bucks for a game 5 months before the release date. I've never spent 3 years lurking on an mmo forum board (10/2008) to not get a beta invite. I've never had my written word or opinion deleted or shut down in mmo forums. I've never had to enter a code FIRST to get a pre launch invite FIRST. I've never been made by a gaming company to feel like a villain or a second class citizen because I am actually anxious to buy and promote their product. To get so excited about the game and September 'beta weekends' just to be delayed for another 2.5 months is insult to injury. April 2011 was their original launch expectation....
I really don't feel like their customer at all. I feel like I'm groveling at their feet waiting for the next scrap or morsel and it pisses me off. If it wasn't the Star Wars franchise, I honestly would have told the whole lot of them to go jarjar themselves.
Nah, just seeing the massive amount of blissful ignorance really annoyed me quite a bit so I had to say a little something.
Oh and I have no desire to play SWTOR and never will, so peace out. If you want to argue with me you can pm me
Yeah, that's the spirit!
Come in here, start an argument, then leave when it gets too hot. Sheesh. Don't bother next time -.-.
Yeah, start a completely meaningless argument. Atleast that troll had the intelligence not to say something about wow clone lol
Well, when comparing TOR to anything, WoW comes closest.
Is that a bad thing? No.
Not just WOW but every themepark MMO. But being closest doesn't necessarily makes it a WOW clone. For it to be a clone of WOW, SWTOR has to be an exact copy which it is not. SWTOR is a themeoark MMO and plays like one.
I believe that people who have nothing better to say or just run out of arguments bring up the term ' WOW clone' in order to get emotional response and attention.
Agreed. Just to clarify: I disagree that it's a wow-clone. It's comes to close to the WoW, but it's not a clone.
Imagine the MMOs were full of fat women. Just for a moment. Wouldn't you guys not be the first to yell "WE DONT WANT TO SEE THAT!" Why ARE there no fat female body models in SWTOR - or almost any MMO? IF this really is about "discrimination" or what some here hint.
And as to the "black Jedi" comment from Agricola: sorry but that is so illogical it HURTS. Being black is not hindering you to train Jedi martial arts, but weighting 200 kilo most certainly IS. Not to speak of the XXXXXL sized Jetpack a BH would need. It is absurd and unrealistic. Besides the gross lack of aethestics. I mean, WHO wants to see that in a Video game? This isn't about REAL people whose feeling can be hurt, this is about entirely fictional, virtual NPCs. Why do game developers put SO MUCH effort in making all female NPCS with ideal measures, and men are FAT AND/OR UGLY? Sorry, you guys measure with two measures. You demand your female characters to be idealized "babes" (like "booth babes") but men can look like Michael Moore!
Sorry, but NO.
Elikal I agree with you that having a morbidly obese Jedi council would be silly along with Darth big mac and Lord super sizing. All I was trying to do was point out the hypocrisy in your statement that you've got nothing against fat people but would rather not see them in your game.
I used to play SWG and you could have morbidly obese characters and every blue moon you'd see one however it wasn't common place as most MMORPGers are probably obese people that would rather be slim themselves so roll a char that has a body like a Greek God. I prefer to play sexy middle aged female chars so I'm not sure what that says about me but I just don't give a womp rat's arse anyway.
I think you're entitled to dislike looking at the morbidly obese and not want to look at them in SWTOR all the time. I'm just saying even if you can roll a blubber butt there won't be that many trust me.
As for 200 kilo martial artists how about sumo wrestlers? They're pretty tough guys and imagine their midiclorin count!
I'd like to say that the official SWTOR are pretty good as far as official forums go.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
And as to the "black Jedi" comment from Agricola: sorry but that is so illogical it HURTS. Being black is not hindering you to train Jedi martial arts, but weighting 200 kilo most certainly IS.
Lol, you do not understand my point. I don't care if you or I are fat, because you and I are no Jedi Knight and no Bounty Hunter.
It is just illogical that a BH or a Jedi is fat, because... HOW can they do their job then? Doesn't it imply to be fit, active and agile? It just makes no sense, you see.
Besides, isn't a game an idealized world? Where we are all heroes? I mean if one is fat in RL... why would he play a game and be a hero who ALSO is fat? On top, being fat is unhealthy and games should not promote unhealthy things.
I dunno Elikal, look at pro K1 fighters, wrestlers and kick boxers; some are lean and all muscle but there are overweight fighters amongst those as well.
Maybe your preferences for athletic male bodies is simply esthetical?
I for one, applaud any extra customization option as long as they are believable. I remember some Aion screenshots where you could do totally disproportionate stuff with sliders (long limbs, no necks, etc) and I don't like that either but a little big-bonedness is a great addition. Realistic diversity is what character building should be about. It's not like the big-boned character option is Hutt-level obesity
The horrible Aion example which I meant:
Hah...you done said El is looking for fwap material.
I wonder if we took an average of how long between each El rant thread(whether his original OP or not) the time frame would actually be? I am going with 8.7 days.
As someone basically stated, by being on the internet, we subject ourselves to a variety of drama queens/trolls. Hopefully they force folks to link their account with their posting rights in a game user only forum. That would cut out a lot of the spam.
Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.
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Not just WOW but every themepark MMO. But being closest doesn't necessarily makes it a WOW clone. For it to be a clone of WOW, SWTOR has to be an exact copy which it is not. SWTOR is a themeoark MMO and plays like one.
I believe that people who have nothing better to say or just run out of arguments bring up the term ' WOW clone' in order to get emotional response and attention.
Nah, the only reason is because I don't want to get perm-banned, I'm quite well prepared for these kinds of arguements.
Peace.
No you are not prepared. All you have done is made pointless comparisons on basis of personal opinion. And how can one argue opinions and preferences? you can not. You like apples others like oranges. What is to argue about?
I knowright.. I laugh everytime a hater calls ToR a Wow clone.. Ill take a tried and proven formula that I happen to love (only reason I dont play wow is because I have played it faaaaar to much) over some hyped up gimmicks anyday
A few things.
First, where do you think all those instances for GW1 were hosted? They weren't hosted on the clients like XBL, they were hosted on the servers. You can tell this, because whenever you lose your internet connection, your session dies. This is also stated here: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/gw-instances-t119038.html.
Second, I would like to refer you to NCSoft's quarterly report (http://www.ncsoft.net/global/ir/earnings.aspx). You will see that the "bandwidth expense" is only noted as part of "other expenses." It doesn't even have its own field. And this is for ALL of NCSoft's properties. That a monthly fee is required to support the server infrastructure and bandwidth expense of an MMORPG is a myth. Maybe it used to be true in the 90's when UO came out, but it's not true anymore.
Third, GW2 will have a cash shop, but it will only sell cosmetic items much like GW1 (according to ANet). I'm inclined to believe them on this. Considering that GW2's philosophy on PvP is that everyone should be the same level and have all abilities available to them, I see it as very unlikely that they will implement anything like P2W.
Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
I thought I said that my intention was proving that Bioware did not invent CnC in RPGs, which I did so successfully. It's not a matter of opinion, but factual.
And if it's all about the matter of "subjective" then we might as well erase "Better, worse......" and the likes from our vocalary, or is it that Bioware fans(and your) opinion worth more than mine, you have the right to state your opinion(and sometime spout them as "facts") but I don't?
And way, like I said, if you want to argue with me about Bioware's alleged superiority then PM me
This will be my last post in this topic
To be honest, anyone that thought Bioware invented choices in CRPGs wouldn't be worth arguing with. Sure Bioware invented alot of stuff if your 15
Bioware makes some of the best games in the world, thats a fact not my opinion. Please do like you keep saying and make this your last post in this topic.. If you hate Bioware and ToR so much, why dont you go chat with all your awesome GW2 fanboy buddies... surely they have intelligent meaningful conversations?
BioWare (much like Blizzard) can't win. If their game is popular, they'll becom criticised for not communicating with their [massive amount of] players. if they push out content too fast, they'll be blasted for it being buggy and in need of more testing. If they push it out too slowly, they'll point at Rift and say content should be coming out faster (there's a reason Rift has 40 hotfixes for every major update).
I like the end of the article as well where it says "This last trap I want to address directly to BioWare. Hey guys? Not everyone's going to fall prostrate at your approach, kiss your feet, and claim that you sweat sunshine because of SWTOR." Such a preposterous statement because as we know, there's not one single game in development at this moment that is getting such treatment from its critics. I have no idea with this person is talking about...
Preparing their offensive in case it succeeds, maybe? Foreshadowing their narrative?
I don't have to argue it. Its already pretty well known BioWare is one of the top developers out there today.
Imagine the MMOs were full of fat women. Just for a moment. Wouldn't you guys not be the first to yell "WE DONT WANT TO SEE THAT!" Why ARE there no fat female body models in SWTOR - or almost any MMO? IF this really is about "discrimination" or what some here hint.
And as to the "black Jedi" comment from Agricola: sorry but that is so illogical it HURTS. Being black is not hindering you to train Jedi martial arts, but weighting 200 kilo most certainly IS. Not to speak of the XXXXXL sized Jetpack a BH would need. It is absurd and unrealistic. Besides the gross lack of aethestics. I mean, WHO wants to see that in a Video game? This isn't about REAL people whose feeling can be hurt, this is about entirely fictional, virtual NPCs. Why do game developers put SO MUCH effort in making all female NPCS with ideal measures, and men are FAT AND/OR UGLY? Sorry, you guys measure with two measures. You demand your female characters to be idealized "babes" (like "booth babes") but men can look like Michael Moore!
Sorry, but NO.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Is it true that there aren't obese female models? I thought they were also in V_V
If so, your point is kind of moot of course. If not, I understand your gripe.
Just don't ever tell me the server you'll be playing on Elikal, because it's really tempting to roll an obese character and run circles around you *huffing* and *puffing* and wiping sweat from my forehead for an hour or so ;-)
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Lol. No it's no big issue. But just something irritating. You know, the sort of like a fly constantly buzzing over your head. Sorta.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
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Stay on topic please. Thanks.
In short:
Trap #1: Overconfidence and arrogance
Trap #2: Glacial updates
Trap #3: Forum anarchy
Trap #4: Condescension to critics
About #1 and #4. They obviously have a tremendous amount of pressure on their shoulders. Add to that long time ago they understood, whatever they'd do some players will never be happy and be very voicy about that. Now think about your favourite sport and how any fan thinks (s)he would do better than say the manager or the faulty player of the day...
Understandably it can lead to turtle, or worst, ostrich behaviour down to condescendence. For now I look at some of their competitors communication management like RIFT and GW2 and well BioWare has some tricks to learn.
#2: Some time ago Blizzard proved it's possible to develop a polished MMO with very few bugs. Now it's time to Trion, the newcomer, to install a new norm being: it's possible to publish quality content fast and financed with subs. (Read between the lines: players have been fooled twice, if not more for a long time...).
This one hurts every MMO studios, as the more players will try RIFT the more they'd expect content to be delivered the agile way.... Thing is delivering V.O. story content takes lots of time and $$$. While BioWare already planned content updates, one can wonder if they'll be delivered fast enough and whether they'll be big enough to keep the players in game and subscribed.
#3: It will be a mess for sure. They'll try to use the heavy ban hammer but players will complain like mad on any other forums than the official ones making as much noise as possible and giving bad press to the studio. The firsts "nerfs" will put the forums down. But before that people will complain how much they want cheaper AC respecs, more freeness to dress their characters, how the soloers wants a normal mode without being obliged to use pets, how the space sim sucks... etc... People will be even less kind with SWTOR & BioWare when F2P GW2 will launch.
I agree with a lot of what the article has to say. I'm not usually one to bitch about not getting in a beta or feeling left out of the loop by a gaming company but this whole experience has been different for me. I have had a thread locked on their boards, a post just deleted outright... I even got a one day ban here on MMORPG for stating information that I thought was 'opinion' and not in violation of any NDA agreement (which by the way I've never read because I'm not in the beta). I am opinionated but I'm not someone that just spends their life typing up trolling, flaming or bitchfest posts, venting my nerdrage to the masses. I've been a member of mmorpg.com since 2004 and NEVER have received a ban before SWTOR. I've always been able to speak my mind.
I feel that Bioware/LA and EA are being extremely arrogant in their approach and marketing in this game release. They seem to know they have the gaming community by their collective balls. I've never paid $150 bucks for a game 5 months before the release date. I've never spent 3 years lurking on an mmo forum board (10/2008) to not get a beta invite. I've never had my written word or opinion deleted or shut down in mmo forums. I've never had to enter a code FIRST to get a pre launch invite FIRST. I've never been made by a gaming company to feel like a villain or a second class citizen because I am actually anxious to buy and promote their product. To get so excited about the game and September 'beta weekends' just to be delayed for another 2.5 months is insult to injury. April 2011 was their original launch expectation....
I really don't feel like their customer at all. I feel like I'm groveling at their feet waiting for the next scrap or morsel and it pisses me off. If it wasn't the Star Wars franchise, I honestly would have told the whole lot of them to go jarjar themselves.
No bitchers.
Agreed. Just to clarify: I disagree that it's a wow-clone. It's comes to close to the WoW, but it's not a clone.
As long as you keep it constructive and on-topic, why get banned?
I think you're just making things up to avoid it. Whatever.
Elikal I agree with you that having a morbidly obese Jedi council would be silly along with Darth big mac and Lord super sizing. All I was trying to do was point out the hypocrisy in your statement that you've got nothing against fat people but would rather not see them in your game.
I used to play SWG and you could have morbidly obese characters and every blue moon you'd see one however it wasn't common place as most MMORPGers are probably obese people that would rather be slim themselves so roll a char that has a body like a Greek God. I prefer to play sexy middle aged female chars so I'm not sure what that says about me but I just don't give a womp rat's arse anyway.
I think you're entitled to dislike looking at the morbidly obese and not want to look at them in SWTOR all the time. I'm just saying even if you can roll a blubber butt there won't be that many trust me.
As for 200 kilo martial artists how about sumo wrestlers? They're pretty tough guys and imagine their midiclorin count!
I'd like to say that the official SWTOR are pretty good as far as official forums go.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
Again, Sammo Hung proves you wrong. And he's not even strong in the ways of the Force.
Hah...you done said El is looking for fwap material.
I wonder if we took an average of how long between each El rant thread(whether his original OP or not) the time frame would actually be? I am going with 8.7 days.
As someone basically stated, by being on the internet, we subject ourselves to a variety of drama queens/trolls. Hopefully they force folks to link their account with their posting rights in a game user only forum. That would cut out a lot of the spam.
Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.
They do know that very well. That's why they were able to pre-sell the game without anouncing the launch date nor even the cost model nor fees.
Would it have been any other franchise people would have laugh at them.
err...yeah nvm... proceed.
Well said bumuscheekus. Well said indeed. +1 from me.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"