I actually agree with both of you here, while how people feel about a game shouldn't influence how I feel about it. I also think having too many yes men around in a games community can be severely detrimental to it's development, I can't say that's not what I've been seeing a whole lot of when it comes to GW2 (yes men).
I've been on this forum for a long long time, not once have I seen a game with this amount of unquestionable support and so many gaurantees of a great game by any games community.
Oh yes, we are all yes men after all only yes men would present the positive view of a game design in thread filled with negative of said design. It could not be that we like the design and we feel like adding that view point to threads when the opposite is expressed! Believe me I will vote with my dollars if GW2 turns out not to be fun by skipping the expansions to it. But it will be a cold day in hell before I apology to you or SuperXero89 for liking the design of a game and supporting that design!
Did I say you were all yes men? No, I said I've seen those who are. Which goes for every game Just more so in this case. I made a point that I see far less random BS hate on GW2 which has nothing at all to do with GW2 fans....
Do you not see the overall point I'm making here though? Criticism is far more valueable feedback when it comes to creation, it tells a creator far more than praise, praise helps nothing in terms of fixing issues or craeting a better experience.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I have really big hopes in GW2 restoring the MMO genre to its former glory
Really? When was the genre comprised of hack and slash titles? Or perhaps you really do mean MMOs which consist of games like GW1. If that's the case, that is one thing. GW2 will undoubtely be good, but dont think for a second that it is a spiritual sucessor to any of the original MMORPGs. Alot of the strategy and contemplation have been removed from this game to appease the ADD youth who just want to be eye f**ked. Unfortunately this game is more along the lines of the MMOFPS style than a MMORPG style. I know many of you want that and want their characters to be digital gods who can do everything and have no need for group dynamics. But I for one will not cheer for the further errosion of the MMORPG genre. You know, that genre that used to exist and that this site was supposed to cover?
And sorry, but I find it funny (and a little vomitous) that so many people are standing in line to be ANET groupies. It is amazing how a group that was bashed (rightly so) and basically a non-factor (for good reason) has become the golden child of developers. Its like the rebirth of Reaganomics. Trickle-down development if you will.
Are you serious...fps style....have you ever even seen a gameplay video of this game? And what strategy and contemplation was ever used in mmos? Traditional mmo combat is so brain dead its insane. One of the few games that I remember having an actual complex combat system that promoted group synergy and strategy happened to be....oh, guild wars 1. And this game isn't very dissimilar to gw combat besides for the fact that its more fluid, you have access to more abilities at once, and theres dodging and more active gameplay.
Your problems seems to come from no dedicated healing class, but you negelct that groups still need players to play support roles. And there will probably be the same amount or more roles to fit into then a game, say like...wow, where the healer heals, the tank tanks and ccs, and the dps dps. There's valid complaints about this type of system( i personally enjoy playing healer classes, but this game has none), but what your saying is very baseless. Without probably ever playing the game, or without even letting the game sink in so grup synergy can be formulated, like it was in gw.
I don't think this game will return anyhting to "former glory", because liek you said, it's different from mmos of the past( not wildly different, but pleasantly), thats why ppl look foward to it.
edit: quoted something from a few pages back, thought i was on the last page x.x
Apparently it is because we are not allowed to say we like a game anymore without saying the bad parts about it with the same breath. In all fairness, after all we GW2 fans must be stupid enough to believe any game we like is perfect and without any flaws, otherwise everyone would not be calling us “fanboys”.
There is actually a type of people that thinks that whatever upcomming game they fancy right now will be the perfect game aimed just for them, and they are the same people flaming that game 1 week after launch.
Of course, those people are pretty easy to spot because they never really made their homework and just assume everything in the game will be just the way they prefer it.
I have another word than fanbois for people like that though, but they exist and are not uncommon in the forum for any unreleased game.
I do however look forward to GW2 myslef and have a better knowledge than that, but even I take some people with a grain of salt when they praise the game without any specifics and sounds a bit too sure.
Apparently it is because we are not allowed to say we like a game anymore without saying the bad parts about it with the same breath. In all fairness, after all we GW2 fans must be stupid enough to believe any game we like is perfect and without any flaws, otherwise everyone would not be calling us “fanboys”.
There is actually a type of people that thinks that whatever upcomming game they fancy right now will be the perfect game aimed just for them, and they are the same people flaming that game 1 week after launch.
Of course, those people are pretty easy to spot because they never really made their homework and just assume everything in the game will be just the way they prefer it.
I have another word than fanbois for people like that though, but they exist and are not uncommon in the forum for any unreleased game.
I do however look forward to GW2 myslef and have a better knowledge than that, but even I take some people with a grain of salt when they praise the game without any specifics and sounds a bit too sure.
This is true but in all fairness there are few that come to GW2's aid that I would call fanbois. You have to admit that the usuals back there information up with whats been said by the devs or whats been shown rather than making shit up and putting it out there so the game looks better than it does. Now does that mean I blindly follow Anets word and not have a few doubts? Of course not. But should I go around assuming that it's all a gimmick and vaporware until it releases and the devs are lying through there teeth to overhype the product for the sake of box sales? Pfft.
One of the things that gets me is when people come in here spitting misinformation based on the first GW without reading into GW2 first. Seems like I spend more time correcting false information than actually discussing the game and that's a shame. I think because this is a sequal of sorts, it lends a lot of misconceptions based on peoples opinions of the first.
Apparently it is because we are not allowed to say we like a game anymore without saying the bad parts about it with the same breath. In all fairness, after all we GW2 fans must be stupid enough to believe any game we like is perfect and without any flaws, otherwise everyone would not be calling us “fanboys”.
There is actually a type of people that thinks that whatever upcomming game they fancy right now will be the perfect game aimed just for them, and they are the same people flaming that game 1 week after launch.
Of course, those people are pretty easy to spot because they never really made their homework and just assume everything in the game will be just the way they prefer it.
I have another word than fanbois for people like that though, but they exist and are not uncommon in the forum for any unreleased game.
I do however look forward to GW2 myslef and have a better knowledge than that, but even I take some people with a grain of salt when they praise the game without any specifics and sounds a bit too sure.
OOPS double post. I don't mind discussing my complaints about the game but when someone has a legitimate complaint I usually don't share their opinion.
I think non GW2 fans get riled up when they encounter the occasional elitist attitude.
For example:
GW2 Fan: "GW2 is the next generation of themepark mmos" Traditional Themepark Fan (TTF): "How so?"
GW2 Fan: "No raid gear grind treadmill hamster wheel carrot on a stick. No holy trinity stuck looking for a tank or healer for hours on end. No ganking or pvp greifing. Dynamic events instead of boring kill and fetch quests."
TTF: "Actually, I like raiding and getting new gear"
GW2 Fan: "Thats because youre brainwashed and dont know any better"
TTF: "Ok. Well I also enjoy tank/healing mechanics and dedicated roles."
GW2 Fan: "Again, brainwashed"
TTF: "Hm ok. I really enjoy open world pvp. It adds a dynamic to the game world that I find fun."
GW2 Fan: "People who like open world pvp are typically asshole gankers that suck at life"
TTF: "Well the dynamic events seem cool"
GW2 Fan: "They are more than cool, they are a revolution in gaming as we know it! "
TTF: "I read up on the crafting and I must confess it looks pretty bland"
GW2: "Nobody cares about crafting anyway"
Of course Im exaggerating to clarify, but you get the idea.
I think non GW2 fans get riled up when they encounter the occasional elitist attitude.
For example:
GW2 Fan: "GW2 is the next generation of themepark mmos"
Traditional Themepark Fan (TTF): "How so?"
GW2 Fan: "No raid gear grind treadmill hamster wheel carrot on a stick. No holy trinity stuck looking for a tank or healer for hours on end. No ganking or pvp greifing. Dynamic events instead of boring kill and fetch quests."
TTF: "Actually, I like raiding and getting new gear"
GW2 Fan: "Thats because youre brainwashed and dont know any better"
TTF: "Ok. Well I also enjoy tank/healing mechanics and dedicated roles."
GW2 Fan: "Again, brainwashed"
TTF: "Hm ok. I really enjoy open world pvp. It adds a dynamic to the game world that I find fun."
GW2 Fan: "People who like open world pvp are typically asshole gankers that suck at life"
TTF: "Well the dynamic events seem cool"
GW2 Fan: "They are more than cool, they are a revolution in gaming as we know it! "
TTF: "I read up on the crafting and I must confess it looks pretty bland"
GW2: "Nobody cares about crafting anyway"
Of course Im exaggerating to clarify, but you get the idea.
You forgot my personal fave I've seen so far.
Gw2 fan to TTF: "You are why the genre sucks..."
TTF: " I'm sorry? Is that the reply you were looking for here?"
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Why do people that prefer a typical MMO setting, like defined Roles, Normal questing, raiding, grinding instances have to be brainwashed?
Thats really the most close minded thing ive heard a fan of any game say, "you dont like my game , so your brainwashed"
LIke, really man? I can 100% confirm that I am not brainwashed by corporate america. Refuse to buy an iPhone, or iPad.. I could be a poster boy for anti-fashion, anti-follower, anti-trends.. But yet because I like a certain gameplay model I am a brainwashed dumbass... hmm
You forgot my personal fave I've seen so far. Gw2 fan to TTF: "You are why the genre sucks..." TTF: " I'm sorry? Is that the reply you were looking for here?"
Been skimming through the thread and I find it so pathetic how people are constantly refered to as "fanboys", just because they are biased towards a paticular product. Why are we, the well informed GW2 follwers, not allowed to say shower GW2 with praise, when it is on it's track to be something we may actually fully enjoyed.
Like me. I'm currently playing Rift and while I enjoy some aspects of it (enough to max out 4 separate characters), there are a lot of things that just piss me off and GW2 seems to be the only game that's fixing those issues. Like not being able to play with a friend who's on a different quest step, or the PvP being unbalanced & unplayable with my Rank 2 Cleric. I just can't shower SW:TOR with praise, because even though it will be a game I'd enjoy (just like Rift), it's still riddled with the same issues I have with Rift. So I guess I'll be refered to as a "GW2 Fanboy" because I can't name a feature I don't like about the game... yet.
I agree 100% here and not just about GW2 this goes for every game. Just because someone posts positively about a game it doesn't mean they're some blind lackey for a product. It's those that get bent out of shape because someone makes a point about a game that may not be overly postive that are the problem. Even then I hate words like fanboi so I don't use them. I prefer to call them yes men, as that's exactly what they are.
Showering a game with praise is one thing... ripping apart anyone who has anything less than flowery to say about your favorite game is something altogether different. It's especially annoying when so much of it is based on conjecture and promises. The rabid Gw2 fanbois remind me a lot of what we saw prior to the latest Final Fantasy release. Do I need to remind you how that turned out?
I think non GW2 fans get riled up when they encounter the occasional elitist attitude.
For example:
GW2 Fan: "GW2 is the next generation of themepark mmos"
Traditional Themepark Fan (TTF): "How so?"
GW2 Fan: "No raid gear grind treadmill hamster wheel carrot on a stick. No holy trinity stuck looking for a tank or healer for hours on end. No ganking or pvp greifing. Dynamic events instead of boring kill and fetch quests."
TTF: "Actually, I like raiding and getting new gear"
GW2 Fan: "Thats because youre brainwashed and dont know any better"
TTF: "Ok. Well I also enjoy tank/healing mechanics and dedicated roles."
GW2 Fan: "Again, brainwashed"
TTF: "Hm ok. I really enjoy open world pvp. It adds a dynamic to the game world that I find fun."
GW2 Fan: "People who like open world pvp are typically asshole gankers that suck at life"
TTF: "Well the dynamic events seem cool"
GW2 Fan: "They are more than cool, they are a revolution in gaming as we know it! "
TTF: "I read up on the crafting and I must confess it looks pretty bland"
GW2: "Nobody cares about crafting anyway"
Of course Im exaggerating to clarify, but you get the idea.
You forgot my personal fave I've seen so far.
Gw2 fan to TTF: "You are why the genre sucks..."
TTF: " I'm sorry? Is that the reply you were looking for here?"
very clever. you forgot
TTF: I wanted to like GW2 but you called me a dummy so I'm gonna pee-pee in your punchbowl til you say sorry.
Charr: Outta my way. Human: What's your problem? Charr: Your thin skin.
Is there ANYONE who read the OP that actually thought this thread would go in a direction other than which it's gone? I mean.....we REALLY need more of these threads. Oh wait......no, no we don't. What a waste of everyone's time. The ones like this for SWTOR....same thing, a complete waste of time and energy.
True true.. I cant stand this forum lately. Nothing but gw2/tor fighting, and a sprinkle of tl2/d3 hate..
Off to play my current THEMEPARK game im in love with, until my next game comes out STAR WARS themepark, which I cant wait for and its gonna be fucking awesome, because I am so brainwashed, EA has a microchip behind my eyeball that forces me to play themepark games lol
Originally posted by just1opinion Is there ANYONE who read the OP that actually thought this thread would go in a direction other than which it's gone? I mean.....we REALLY need more of these threads. Oh wait......no, no we don't. What a waste of everyone's time. The ones like this for SWTOR....same thing, a complete waste of time and energy.
I personally thought this was going to turn into a yo maam jokes thread. Oh well.
I think non GW2 fans get riled up when they encounter the occasional elitist attitude.
For example:
GW2 Fan: "GW2 is the next generation of themepark mmos"
Traditional Themepark Fan (TTF): "How so?"
GW2 Fan: "No raid gear grind treadmill hamster wheel carrot on a stick. No holy trinity stuck looking for a tank or healer for hours on end. No ganking or pvp greifing. Dynamic events instead of boring kill and fetch quests."
TTF: "Actually, I like raiding and getting new gear"
GW2 Fan: "Thats because youre brainwashed and dont know any better"
TTF: "Ok. Well I also enjoy tank/healing mechanics and dedicated roles."
GW2 Fan: "Again, brainwashed"
TTF: "Hm ok. I really enjoy open world pvp. It adds a dynamic to the game world that I find fun."
GW2 Fan: "People who like open world pvp are typically asshole gankers that suck at life"
TTF: "Well the dynamic events seem cool"
GW2 Fan: "They are more than cool, they are a revolution in gaming as we know it! "
TTF: "I read up on the crafting and I must confess it looks pretty bland"
GW2: "Nobody cares about crafting anyway"
Of course Im exaggerating to clarify, but you get the idea.
You forgot my personal fave I've seen so far.
Gw2 fan to TTF: "You are why the genre sucks..."
TTF: " I'm sorry? Is that the reply you were looking for here?"
very clever. you forgot
TTF: I wanted to like GW2 but you called me a dummy so I'm gonna pee-pee in your punchbowl til you say sorry.
Yeah that one makes me laugh as well.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Is there ANYONE who read the OP that actually thought this thread would go in a direction other than which it's gone? I mean.....we REALLY need more of these threads. Oh wait......no, no we don't. What a waste of everyone's time. The ones like this for SWTOR....same thing, a complete waste of time and energy.
Soap Box effect.
:climb up on soap box: "This game's been getting a lot of jabber, but you should really hate it, and I'll tell you why...(insert list)"
All right buddy, you (from your comments) probably will not like the game, and that's ok. It's a free (relatively) market.
Now why are you preaching to us? Why are you so concerned about where the dollars in MY wallet are getting spent?
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
Is there ANYONE who read the OP that actually thought this thread would go in a direction other than which it's gone? I mean.....we REALLY need more of these threads. Oh wait......no, no we don't. What a waste of everyone's time. The ones like this for SWTOR....same thing, a complete waste of time and energy.
Soap Box effect.
:climb up on soap box: "This game's been getting a lot of jabber, but you should really hate it, and I'll tell you why...(insert list)"
All right buddy, you (from your comments) probably will not like the game, and that's ok. It's a free (relatively) market.
Now why are you preaching to us? Why are you so concerned about where the dollars in MY wallet are getting spent?
Marvelous question. Seems no one ever answers that though. And for some strange reason, just allowing others to like the game they like isn't good enough. WE MUST EVANGELIZE! Gah.
Is there ANYONE who read the OP that actually thought this thread would go in a direction other than which it's gone? I mean.....we REALLY need more of these threads. Oh wait......no, no we don't. What a waste of everyone's time. The ones like this for SWTOR....same thing, a complete waste of time and energy.
Soap Box effect.
:climb up on soap box: "This game's been getting a lot of jabber, but you should really hate it, and I'll tell you why...(insert list)"
All right buddy, you (from your comments) probably will not like the game, and that's ok. It's a free (relatively) market.
Now why are you preaching to us? Why are you so concerned about where the dollars in MY wallet are getting spent?
Marvelous question. Seems no one ever answers that though. And for some strange reason, just allowing others to like the game they like isn't good enough. WE MUST EVANGELIZE! Gah.
It's those people who are really mind boggling.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Originally posted by just1opinion Originally posted by Icewhite
Originally posted by just1opinion
Is there ANYONE who read the OP that actually thought this thread would go in a direction other than which it's gone? I mean.....we REALLY need more of these threads. Oh wait......no, no we don't. What a waste of everyone's time. The ones like this for SWTOR....same thing, a complete waste of time and energy.
Soap Box effect. :climb up on soap box: "This game's been getting a lot of jabber, but you should really hate it, and I'll tell you why...(insert list)" All right buddy, you (from your comments) probably will not like the game, and that's ok. It's a free (relatively) market. Now why are you preaching to us? Why are you so concerned about where the dollars in MY wallet are getting spent?
Marvelous question. Seems no one ever answers that though. And for some strange reason, just allowing others to like the game they like isn't good enough. WE MUST EVANGELIZE! Gah. Maybe some people think that if they don't get everybody on board with their favorite mmo, then it will die an untimely death or it wont get proper support and updates due to lack of player base. Im just grasping at straws here. Im equally perplexed by this phenomena.
Why do people that prefer a typical MMO setting, like defined Roles, Normal questing, raiding, grinding instances have to be brainwashed?
Thats really the most close minded thing ive heard a fan of any game say, "you dont like my game , so your brainwashed"
Fans of GW2 aren't saying that. Non-fans of GW2 are saying we're saying that.
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it."-Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
Originally posted by cali59 Originally posted by quentin405 Why do people that prefer a typical MMO setting, like defined Roles, Normal questing, raiding, grinding instances have to be brainwashed? Thats really the most close minded thing ive heard a fan of any game say, "you dont like my game , so your brainwashed"
Fans of GW2 aren't saying that. Non-fans of GW2 are saying we're saying that. Actually, neither of those two groups are saying that. There are a lot of posters here that are aggressively pushing an agenda. Im not sure what it is, but unfortunately, SWTOR and GW2 have attracted these people like some sort of hatemonger bugzapper. Its a zero sum philosophy where they only way they feel validated is if they invalidate you. The only way they can win is if everyone else loses.
Why do people that prefer a typical MMO setting, like defined Roles, Normal questing, raiding, grinding instances have to be brainwashed?
Thats really the most close minded thing ive heard a fan of any game say, "you dont like my game , so your brainwashed"
Fans of GW2 aren't saying that. Non-fans of GW2 are saying we're saying that.
Actually, neither of those two groups are saying that. There are a lot of posters here that are aggressively pushing an agenda. Im not sure what it is, but unfortunately, SWTOR and GW2 have attracted these people like some sort of hatemonger bugzapper. Its a zero sum philosophy where they only way they feel validated is if they invalidate you. The only way they can win is if everyone else loses.
What I'm saying is that quentin405 is responding as if something like http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4502979#4502979 is a real conversation, when it's a parody of a conversation written by someone who I don't think is a GW2 fan (though maybe ambivalent)
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it."-Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
Why do people that prefer a typical MMO setting, like defined Roles, Normal questing, raiding, grinding instances have to be brainwashed?
Thats really the most close minded thing ive heard a fan of any game say, "you dont like my game , so your brainwashed"
Fans of GW2 aren't saying that. Non-fans of GW2 are saying we're saying that.
Actually, neither of those two groups are saying that. There are a lot of posters here that are aggressively pushing an agenda. Im not sure what it is, but unfortunately, SWTOR and GW2 have attracted these people like some sort of hatemonger bugzapper. Its a zero sum philosophy where they only way they feel validated is if they invalidate you. The only way they can win is if everyone else loses.
What I'm saying is that quentin405 is responding as if something like http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4502979#4502979 is a real conversation, when it's a parody of a conversation written by someone who I don't think is a GW2 fan (though maybe ambivalent)
What I'm seeing there is satire. IE a funny way of presenting a point about something, which has and does happen on this site frequently. So you're right it's not as cut and dry as that. But it is satire of real posting habits here. Just look at many of Dreamcatchers posts. They're filled with rants similar to what quentin was pointing out. I hate to name names like that but sometimes it's necessary in order to prove a point.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Is there ANYONE who read the OP that actually thought this thread would go in a direction other than which it's gone? I mean.....we REALLY need more of these threads. Oh wait......no, no we don't. What a waste of everyone's time. The ones like this for SWTOR....same thing, a complete waste of time and energy.
We need the Mesmer reveal to happen. People are bored, and we know what people do when they are bored, pick a fight (or have sex).
Is there ANYONE who read the OP that actually thought this thread would go in a direction other than which it's gone? I mean.....we REALLY need more of these threads. Oh wait......no, no we don't. What a waste of everyone's time. The ones like this for SWTOR....same thing, a complete waste of time and energy.
Soap Box effect.
:climb up on soap box: "This game's been getting a lot of jabber, but you should really hate it, and I'll tell you why...(insert list)"
All right buddy, you (from your comments) probably will not like the game, and that's ok. It's a free (relatively) market.
Now why are you preaching to us? Why are you so concerned about where the dollars in MY wallet are getting spent?
Marvelous question. Seems no one ever answers that though. And for some strange reason, just allowing others to like the game they like isn't good enough. WE MUST EVANGELIZE! Gah.
Maybe some people think that if they don't get everybody on board with their favorite mmo, then it will die an untimely death or it wont get proper support and updates due to lack of player base. Im just grasping at straws here. Im equally perplexed by this phenomena.
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I post my issues with GW2. I detail point by point what I don't like about it and why. Theres nothing wrong with that. I like to bring the flip side of the coin to a discussion. If you think thats bashing and stirring up shit thats not really my fault. I dont go around spamming "GW2 sucks". I offer my opinions and debate other's. You should think about why you take criticism of a video game so personally. Im not attacking you or bashing you, yet for some reason you are offended when I present my cons to your pros. That perplexes me as well.
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For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Are you serious...fps style....have you ever even seen a gameplay video of this game? And what strategy and contemplation was ever used in mmos? Traditional mmo combat is so brain dead its insane. One of the few games that I remember having an actual complex combat system that promoted group synergy and strategy happened to be....oh, guild wars 1. And this game isn't very dissimilar to gw combat besides for the fact that its more fluid, you have access to more abilities at once, and theres dodging and more active gameplay.
Your problems seems to come from no dedicated healing class, but you negelct that groups still need players to play support roles. And there will probably be the same amount or more roles to fit into then a game, say like...wow, where the healer heals, the tank tanks and ccs, and the dps dps. There's valid complaints about this type of system( i personally enjoy playing healer classes, but this game has none), but what your saying is very baseless. Without probably ever playing the game, or without even letting the game sink in so grup synergy can be formulated, like it was in gw.
I don't think this game will return anyhting to "former glory", because liek you said, it's different from mmos of the past( not wildly different, but pleasantly), thats why ppl look foward to it.
edit: quoted something from a few pages back, thought i was on the last page x.x
There is actually a type of people that thinks that whatever upcomming game they fancy right now will be the perfect game aimed just for them, and they are the same people flaming that game 1 week after launch.
Of course, those people are pretty easy to spot because they never really made their homework and just assume everything in the game will be just the way they prefer it.
I have another word than fanbois for people like that though, but they exist and are not uncommon in the forum for any unreleased game.
I do however look forward to GW2 myslef and have a better knowledge than that, but even I take some people with a grain of salt when they praise the game without any specifics and sounds a bit too sure.
This is true but in all fairness there are few that come to GW2's aid that I would call fanbois. You have to admit that the usuals back there information up with whats been said by the devs or whats been shown rather than making shit up and putting it out there so the game looks better than it does. Now does that mean I blindly follow Anets word and not have a few doubts? Of course not. But should I go around assuming that it's all a gimmick and vaporware until it releases and the devs are lying through there teeth to overhype the product for the sake of box sales? Pfft.
One of the things that gets me is when people come in here spitting misinformation based on the first GW without reading into GW2 first. Seems like I spend more time correcting false information than actually discussing the game and that's a shame. I think because this is a sequal of sorts, it lends a lot of misconceptions based on peoples opinions of the first.
RIP Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan and Paul Gray.
OOPS double post. I don't mind discussing my complaints about the game but when someone has a legitimate complaint I usually don't share their opinion.
RIP Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan and Paul Gray.
I think non GW2 fans get riled up when they encounter the occasional elitist attitude.
For example:
GW2 Fan: "GW2 is the next generation of themepark mmos"
Traditional Themepark Fan (TTF): "How so?"
GW2 Fan: "No raid gear grind treadmill hamster wheel carrot on a stick. No holy trinity stuck looking for a tank or healer for hours on end. No ganking or pvp greifing. Dynamic events instead of boring kill and fetch quests."
TTF: "Actually, I like raiding and getting new gear"
GW2 Fan: "Thats because youre brainwashed and dont know any better"
TTF: "Ok. Well I also enjoy tank/healing mechanics and dedicated roles."
GW2 Fan: "Again, brainwashed"
TTF: "Hm ok. I really enjoy open world pvp. It adds a dynamic to the game world that I find fun."
GW2 Fan: "People who like open world pvp are typically asshole gankers that suck at life"
TTF: "Well the dynamic events seem cool"
GW2 Fan: "They are more than cool, they are a revolution in gaming as we know it!
"
TTF: "I read up on the crafting and I must confess it looks pretty bland"
GW2: "Nobody cares about crafting anyway"
Of course Im exaggerating to clarify, but you get the idea.
You forgot my personal fave I've seen so far.
Gw2 fan to TTF: "You are why the genre sucks..."
TTF: " I'm sorry? Is that the reply you were looking for here?"
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Why do people that prefer a typical MMO setting, like defined Roles, Normal questing, raiding, grinding instances have to be brainwashed?
Thats really the most close minded thing ive heard a fan of any game say, "you dont like my game , so your brainwashed"
LIke, really man? I can 100% confirm that I am not brainwashed by corporate america. Refuse to buy an iPhone, or iPad.. I could be a poster boy for anti-fashion, anti-follower, anti-trends.. But yet because I like a certain gameplay model I am a brainwashed dumbass... hmm
Showering a game with praise is one thing... ripping apart anyone who has anything less than flowery to say about your favorite game is something altogether different. It's especially annoying when so much of it is based on conjecture and promises. The rabid Gw2 fanbois remind me a lot of what we saw prior to the latest Final Fantasy release. Do I need to remind you how that turned out?
very clever. you forgot
TTF: I wanted to like GW2 but you called me a dummy so I'm gonna pee-pee in your punchbowl til you say sorry.
Charr: Outta my way.
Human: What's your problem?
Charr: Your thin skin.
Is there ANYONE who read the OP that actually thought this thread would go in a direction other than which it's gone? I mean.....we REALLY need more of these threads. Oh wait......no, no we don't. What a waste of everyone's time. The ones like this for SWTOR....same thing, a complete waste of time and energy.
President of The Marvelously Meowhead Fan Club
True true.. I cant stand this forum lately. Nothing but gw2/tor fighting, and a sprinkle of tl2/d3 hate..
Off to play my current THEMEPARK game im in love with, until my next game comes out STAR WARS themepark, which I cant wait for and its gonna be fucking awesome, because I am so brainwashed, EA has a microchip behind my eyeball that forces me to play themepark games lol
*puts on tinfoil hat*
I personally thought this was going to turn into a yo maam jokes thread. Oh well.
Yeah that one makes me laugh as well.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Soap Box effect.
:climb up on soap box: "This game's been getting a lot of jabber, but you should really hate it, and I'll tell you why...(insert list)"
All right buddy, you (from your comments) probably will not like the game, and that's ok. It's a free (relatively) market.
Now why are you preaching to us? Why are you so concerned about where the dollars in MY wallet are getting spent?
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
Marvelous question. Seems no one ever answers that though. And for some strange reason, just allowing others to like the game they like isn't good enough. WE MUST EVANGELIZE! Gah.
President of The Marvelously Meowhead Fan Club
It's those people who are really mind boggling.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
:climb up on soap box: "This game's been getting a lot of jabber, but you should really hate it, and I'll tell you why...(insert list)"
All right buddy, you (from your comments) probably will not like the game, and that's ok. It's a free (relatively) market.
Now why are you preaching to us? Why are you so concerned about where the dollars in MY wallet are getting spent?
Marvelous question. Seems no one ever answers that though. And for some strange reason, just allowing others to like the game they like isn't good enough. WE MUST EVANGELIZE! Gah.
Maybe some people think that if they don't get everybody on board with their favorite mmo, then it will die an untimely death or it wont get proper support and updates due to lack of player base. Im just grasping at straws here. Im equally perplexed by this phenomena.
Fans of GW2 aren't saying that. Non-fans of GW2 are saying we're saying that.
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it." -Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
Actually, neither of those two groups are saying that. There are a lot of posters here that are aggressively pushing an agenda. Im not sure what it is, but unfortunately, SWTOR and GW2 have attracted these people like some sort of hatemonger bugzapper. Its a zero sum philosophy where they only way they feel validated is if they invalidate you. The only way they can win is if everyone else loses.
What I'm saying is that quentin405 is responding as if something like http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4502979#4502979 is a real conversation, when it's a parody of a conversation written by someone who I don't think is a GW2 fan (though maybe ambivalent)
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it." -Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
What I'm seeing there is satire. IE a funny way of presenting a point about something, which has and does happen on this site frequently. So you're right it's not as cut and dry as that. But it is satire of real posting habits here. Just look at many of Dreamcatchers posts. They're filled with rants similar to what quentin was pointing out. I hate to name names like that but sometimes it's necessary in order to prove a point.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
We need the Mesmer reveal to happen. People are bored, and we know what people do when they are bored, pick a fight (or have sex).
I post my issues with GW2. I detail point by point what I don't like about it and why. Theres nothing wrong with that. I like to bring the flip side of the coin to a discussion. If you think thats bashing and stirring up shit thats not really my fault. I dont go around spamming "GW2 sucks". I offer my opinions and debate other's. You should think about why you take criticism of a video game so personally. Im not attacking you or bashing you, yet for some reason you are offended when I present my cons to your pros. That perplexes me as well.