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Why does RIFT feel lacking? Could it be you?
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Up there is your exact quote.; exactly as you wrote it.
You have no death penalty. That's exactly what is written there, by you.
What you wrote is wrong. There is a death penaly.
How can I get anything mixed up when it's in its exact context. It's not extracted from a whole sentence. It's not refering to anything but the death penalty. It was written as a stand alone comment, seperated from all the other comments you made.
There is only one way to take what you wrote, and that is that there is no death penalty. And that's incorrect.
Here's the difference I guess between you and me.
You seem to think people will have seen just about everything there is to see posted about TOR, participated in or read probably hundreds of threads so far, countless videos up to the beginning of TOR's launch and somehow they will be "disappointed". I simply don't think that's possible.
I don't think there is that many people trying to self delude themselves because that's what it would be.
I think that people already know what's in the game for the most part, and the "masses" won't be surprised. There will be some who will claim disappointment but I tend to think those people already knew what they were getting into already.
The only way people on internet forums are going to come away upset and disappointed imo, is if when TOR was announced for pre-orders, they went and pre-bought the game then went on a six month vacation, came back at launch, got their mail, booted up the game and got surprised.
They've already seen every bit of info there is to see, especially now that the press NDA has lifted. There are no more gremlins hiding in the emperor's underchambers, lol.
"TO MICHAEL!"
There is a death penalty in Rift that isn't worth being afraid of even if you die nine times in a row, which is even less worrisome than WoW's expensive gold penalty.
/end argument
"TO MICHAEL!"
lol Rift is not like WOW or EQ2. Now to say Rift, Aion and such then yeah they feel lacking. And if you know how many play Rift this tells you its not the PEOPLE its the MMO.. and sorry it is a GAME.
It's not me. I just expect more. As I am here it's sad to think that I'm gonna have to start looking across the ocean to asian game makers to make the MMO's that I think would be actual MMORPG's. The west companys are after the quick dollar. They don't want to take risk on doing something different. Yes they clone the big 2 EQ and WoW. It all comes to money.
I have played RIFT since beta. Have you ever noticed that every week there is new gear with unreal stats coming out. It's just a gear grind. No one cares about anything but gear..gear and better gear. LOOK at it. Open yer eyes. What will RIFT be in a year from now. Bored players trying to invade the capital citys. Why engage in an invasion ?? They happen everytime you look at the map. And the RIFTs themselves are everywhere, and the reward for closing one is what ??? a couple of planite ? Waste of time when the game is all about gear.
At 50 if you want to do something other than grind gear..what is there ? PvP ?? People PvP because they want...gear. That's all. There is nothing else to RIFT. No social anything. No one outside os guild chats. Even in PuG no one chats..because there is no time to type.
RIFT NeeDs>>> In-Game voice like EQ. Player houses. Guild halls. Less invasions and less Rifts. Better reward for doing these events whether solo or group. It just needs more...uhmphhh. Gear grinding is not what I want to spend my game time doing.
MMORPGs should be more about a social experince than the question of..what gear do you have ?
Jymm Byuu
Playing : Blood Bowl. Waiting for 2. Holding breath for Archeage and EQN.
So you're saying you didn't like the game, and that everyone should complain until someone makes a game you do like?
They're obviously not going to change Rift to suit your wants and needs. It was obviously made for an audience you don't belong to.
Do you complain to television studios because desperate housewives isn't the kind of show you like to watch? Or do you find a show on another network that you do like? My guess is the later. So why would you rage against a specific game?
Believe it or not, there are other types of MMO's out there that are completely diffirent from the EQ/ WoW model, if you can't find one that suits you then you're either not looking hard enough, or the genre isn't really for you.
Some of you keep using the same exact tag lines. MMO's have been dumbed down. Yet, you keep missing a pretty important fact, they've become more popular. I wonder if there's a correlation here? When they were harder, more complex, with stricter penalties, poeple didn't play them. NCsoft had to make adjustments to lineage 2 to attract more people. leveling was to harsh, the death penalty was to harsh; so they made it alittle easier to level, and made the death penalty a little more forgiving. I can't say if it increased their playerbase or not though, I don't have that information; nor will I speculate because that's just a fancy word for an opinion, and opinions aren't fact.
Here is a fact though. If MMO's were so bad, there wouldn't be millions upon millions of people playing them all across the world. If it's working for million upon milliions of people then it's not the games, it's you. If out of all the games in this list,http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm , you can't find a single one that suits you, then you should probably stop playing MMO's.
There is such a thing as an impossible expectation. People in the world who have expectations that can never be met. Some people apply them to relastionships and can never be happy in one, I fall in this group. Others set them as career expectations, and are never happy with any job they take. And there are those who will apply them to video games, and thus never find one that they can fully enjoy.
It's your fault you can't be satisfied, always. No one in the world is responsible for ensuring that your expectations can be met but you. If you're having difficulty having your expectations met, then you may need to adjust them to a more reasonable level, or give up on them.
Now they have under 50K people probably. But you know what.. I guess every last one of those 50K players were right.. millions of people just had something wrong with them. /wink
"TO MICHAEL!"
Some people are bound and determined to make WoW the only mmo on the market. Well guess what they just announced some more stuff for their cash shop, so have fun forking over money to your guild lead if you are stuck on a dead server and want to move.
If you want to go back to WoW, then do not let any of us stop you. I better not see any of you crying at Blizz that content is too slow or some of their decisions make no sense. Popin trust me I played Aion for 14 months and Rift is not even remotely in the same boat as that train wreck was.
7 months in and we have had god knows how many content patches and class updates. Aion 7 months in we were on the same content we had the first day and were on completely dead servers. NCSoft was merging down to 5 servers at this point. Rift has new people picking it up all the time and for all the trolling this game gets it is not enough.
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
Explorer: 87%, Killer: 67%, Achiever: 27%, Socializer: 20%
I'm saying that people who tend to post things like "You are playing our game wrong", "It's you, not the game" "Learn to play, noob" are usually the same people who end up two years later or less as one of 50K-100k remaining subs who've pushed everyone else away because they defend their game and all it's flaws like a Guardian zealot. Those people never "get it" why their "superior game" isn't being played by others yet, they are playing "THAT" game with kiddie pandas.
It's NOT only the people playing Rift. That's some crazy stupid statement that can't be walked back. It just doesn't stand to reason that over-half the people that tried Rift had something wrong with them, lol. Almost statistically impossible.
No one put WoW on a pedestal. As a matter of fact, I was responding to a post where YOU put WoW into it.. I didn't. You asked what would happen if you went AFK at a hubquest as if you'd come back and you'd find your toon dead, stripped nekkid and only a grey dagger left on his body as some type of death penalty; suggesting the game was THAT impactful.
I just showed you it's no different than what would happen in WoW overall, even less so. I played AION for one year as well, and had four 50s. I know about that game but I'm not even talking about Aion.
"TO MICHAEL!"
@Uhwop, I seriously find it funny that you stated what you did there - that people should not complain and just move on. Yet, you did so while stating how the genre has changed to what it is from...people not moving on and complaining.
Why is it okay for Group B to complain about wanting X to be Y, but it is not okay for Group A to complain about wanting X back again...?
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
Explorer: 87%, Killer: 67%, Achiever: 27%, Socializer: 20%
I think it's almost cute how fired up Uhwop is about Rift right now, after a few days of play. He's all over the forums creating threads and valiantly defending the game.
It's going to be really funny when he suddenly goes silent in a month or two...when he comes to the conclusion that most people came to a long time ago. We'll all just pretend it never happened, though. No reason to rub it in.
We should just create the perfect Raiding MMORPG for the people who don't like immersion and roleplay. The data of all the players playing WoW can't be wrong, the data speaks for itself, right? This is the type of game that MMORPG players want to play.
In the perfect Raiding MMORPG, you can't play at all unless you accept an agreement which states you must use ventrillo software and be in your group's voicechat to play. You also have to agree to installing the ventrillo software which comes with the game itself!
Leveling, crafting, exploring, everything can't be done unless you raid - and the entire world is filled with raid bosses everywhere!
That way no one will ever be confused when they buy it since they can't realize later on that the game is nothing but a raiding MMORPG - since thats all the game is right at the beginning.
Before you choose your class, you get to choose your raider type, "Sheep," or "Shepherd," and there would be PvP servers where you could choose "Wolf", and wolves basically are on the side of the raid bosses and they try to eat the sheeps. (Using animal behaviors as a means to tell the story)
But the wolves can never get the best gear which comes from raid bosses so they would not be very good at end game and all the wolves would leave
so the sheeps would win and feel proud that they are good sheeps!
And so that would be the game.
The expansion to this MMORPG would be called "Bots, Spam, and Try To Steal People's Accounts" where a global chat is installed in a text chat window in the bottom left of your screen, preventing you from even trying to have a text chat conversation at all because of the new "Bot" classes which always shout "Cheap Gold Sales at blah.com BUY BUY SELL SELL! !" every random 1-10 minutes, if a player accidentally clicks it, the game automatically gives them your account name and password and you have to play a minigame to get your account back and restored.
The bot classes would spawn 4 characters of themself that follow them around, as they level up they gain more versions of themself so eventually they can raid by themselves but in order to play one you have to pay a monthly fee for as many versions of yourself you have out.
It gets to a point where it is just nit picking the smallest details and that is what it seems like. There has not been some mass exodus from Rift over [x] thing like people try and make it out to be which was the case in WAR or Aion.
Some of the complaints are valid like the questing does not change from one alt to another. As a 50 Warrior I have not felt the need to reroll to a Cleric/Mage/Rogue because I have access to everything I will need here. That was the entire point behind the soul system that would not want to roll a alt.
I guess they could go in and add some different questing stuff, but after all the time into my main I am not even sure I would want to do it., but this seems like a major thing to some people. I would kick people from my guild if that was all they cared about hitting max level then re rolling.
People seem to be wanting Rift to deliver every request under the sun. I played WoW and saw these same request and saw these request denied for years, but there was not some maxx exodus from WoW.
Sorry, I can't imagine the world is bigger and their is more zones to go do things in at max level when I left (could be more now, just don't know). I don't usually hop games, so I bought 6 months, and I left after the free month and 3 more months, so i left 3 on the table.
I do not play way, so it's not that I am 'use to it'...The world seemed small and not many real choices beyond the manufactued dailies, scenarios and dungeons...The harvesting/crafting system is bland....BUT I always say, Rift is a good game for what it is, and many people enjoy it....
So is it me? Sure, if someone doesn't like something it usually is partly them...I like more sandbox type features in my themepark, ala Vanguard....Which is the last themepark that I really liked...and a lot of people couldn't get over the launch and didn't like... I am now anxiously awaiting GW2...and going to be playing Swtor (friends are playing it), so I hope I like both, I am skeptical about swtor, but I hope they are great. I hope every game that comes out is great...Gives me choices...
So yeah Rift is good for what it is, and if the more railed approach they use sits well with the player, then it is a great game, and they do updates often and work on it...Can't really complain about that.
They have even talked about plane raids and some kind of open world pvp zone with objectives in the future (if people wanted it)...So I am sure the game will get better for everyone...Just didn't click with me, I felt too limited and not enough game play options to keep me happy.
The one thing though that I don't tolerate is after leveling three 50s in six-months time, someone telling me "it's me" and not the game.
Pretty sure I did just about everything there was to do and still found it lacking for me. Game is okay but just not for me; didn't draw me in as much as I tried to let it.
Now I like to discuss things regarding it.. kinda like a meal you just ate. No harm in that.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Critics nitpick; fans gloss over. Just depends on which camp you're in.
I'm sure we could never accuse you of glossing over Rift's problems right?
"TO MICHAEL!"
I'm right there with you.
I played for four months during the beta, and never bought the game, but we're very much in the same boat.
You don't seem to see a distinction between a product that is made for a particular market, and your own personal wants.
If I go out to get a steak, I go to someplace that I know makes a good steak. And that anology isn't even relevant to Rift. It's nothing like a steak.
Your tv analogy isn't relavent either. Rift didn't change from one thing to another. It didn't draw you in with expectation to be something that it wasn't. You set your own expectations, if the game didn't meat them that's not the games fault. Especially when that game is the most popular MMO to release since WoW; which isn't even a desputable comment because it's been blasted in articles all over the internet.
You didn't seem to understand the correlation between MMO's being "dumbed down" and the success they had immediatly afterwards. Whether or not I dispute the idea that they've been "dumbed down" isn't even relevant, because it's not the point I was making. They're more popular now then they were when they were overly complex and had harsher penalties for failing, obviously "dumbing them down" had a positive impact on the genre, as it brought in MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T PLAY THEM BFORE. You can't even argue against that.
Unreasonable expectations have EVERYTHING to do with the topic. That's why so many people are jaded with the MMO genre. The expect each new game to give them that feeling they had when they first started playig MMO's, and it's simply unlikely to happen for a lot for a lot of people. You even validate this with your own statement, "they've been met previously". You have an MMO you used to play for an extended period of time, it came time to move on, and you can't find anything that provides that same level of fulfillment that that MMO provided you. You're expactations are getting in the way, it's that the games themselves are lacking, even thoug a lot of them justifiably are, it's the expections you go in with.
I wil never play another MMO that gave me that level of joy and fun that City of Heroes did. It was the first time I experienced that kind of massive online community and gameplay. Even a better game, like EQ2 didn't do it for me. WoW came close, but that was because I was playing with my brother and best friend, and nothing can really compare to that.
Some people have a hard time grasping that just because they didnt' like something then it'st he products fault. If other people liked it, then it's your problem not the product. Just about ever car company sells more cars then Fiat, and I don't like the way Fiats look, but that doesn't make them bad cars. Fiats are very good cars, that caters to a different type of car buyer. My opinion of the car, and the fact they don't sell as many cars as Ford, has no bearing what-so-ever on the quality of the vehicle itself. << That's an example of an appropriate analogy. When it comes to video games, there's a lot of people here who have an incredibly hard time grasping this VERY simple concept.
About the only thing I can think of that is as lame as LARP, is raging against a company for making a game you don't like. Seriously? We as individuals are not the center of the universe, and game companies are not responsible for making a game that every individual on this planet will like.
I'm not going to write to the Department of Agriculture because I think brussel sprouts taste like crap, and demand that they make farmers grow better tasting brussel sprouts, nor am I mad that I had to buy some and taste them to find out they taste like crap. Now I know, and I won't eat them. << And that's an appropriate analogy.
If you know you don't like games that play like EQ or WoW, then stop buying them!
No offense, but your argument is very simplistic....Just because 'someone' likes something does not validate a product as good.
99% of the people I talk to think that Cube car is ugly as hell, but theirs got to be some people that like it...So is the problem the 99% of the people problem?
The problem is, you are trying to validate peoples opinions and turn them into fact of something being good, while taking other people opinions and making them invalid towards something being good/bad. It is a contradiction.
I didn't tell anyone to not complain and move.
I don't know what you mean by. "Yet, you did so while stating how the genre has changed to what it is from..."
There's a difference between legitimate complaints, and RAGING IN ALL CAPS THAT EVERYONE SHOULD REPEATEDLY COMPLAINING FOR DEVELOPERS TO MAKE GAMES THAT TAILOR SPECIFICALY TO THERE WANTS AND NEEDS BECAUSE YOU'RE HAVING A HARD TIME FINDING SOMETHING YOU LIKE OUT THE GOD KNOWS HOW MANY EXISTING MMO'S ON THE MARKET, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU BUY A GAME THAT YOU ALREADY KNOW IS GOING TO PLAY JUST LIKE ALL THOSE GAMES YOU SO EXPLICITLY DETEST AND THEN COMPLAINING ABOUT SAID GAME!
You don't see the sillyness in that?
If you don't like shooters, do you buy every new one that comes out and then complain on the forums that people should be complaining for the developers to make a shooter you like. You don't like shooters, why would even buy it. If you don't like the way that MMO's are being made, and you know that the one you're about to buy is made that way, why would you buy it when you already know you're not going to be happy with it? How is that even rational behavior?
Telling people you didn't like the game isn't the same thing as tellig people it's a sub-quality game because you didn't like it, or telling people they should be raging against the developers because they didn't make a differnet game.
I'm not really a fan of Darkfall. The game wasn't quite what they said it would be, or even do what they said it would do during it's development process. I expressed my opinion about it. I'm not posting there months later telling people that it's a bad game, that people shouldn't play it, or that it's the reason big studios don't make games like it. Even if my opinion is that it's a bad game it doesn't really make it so. Some people like it.
As for the original question: Nope, it's not me. It's Rift.
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
Explorer: 87%, Killer: 67%, Achiever: 27%, Socializer: 20%
Couldn't have, or this statement would not have written.
Since you've missed it, here.
Rift Planes of Telara Enter the Rift Trailer [HD]
A teleporting sniper! /chuckle
"TO MICHAEL!"
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
Explorer: 87%, Killer: 67%, Achiever: 27%, Socializer: 20%