The joke is on the naysayers. I predict WoW will reach an all time high in subscribers because of MoP. And if that means a few elistist douches leave so they can play their super serious games (lol?), while more "casual gamers" come into WoW... then I welcome it. The community will be better for it.
Public perception isn't something you can control. Particularly not when Metzen immediately goes on the defensive about it.
Blizzard is a multi-billion dollar corporation (give or take a few cents). They knew this was coming, they had to. They're not that clueless. It's polarizing. It's media worthy. I can't help but think it's intentional along the lines of a publicity stunt.
Given 13 pages of forum posts, I'd say it's working.
Of course, any publicity is good publicity.
But once the message board uproar dies down (this kind of splash is usually only good for a week or so), most of us go back to being ex-WoW players. And they've purchased nothing, except a perception that Metzen chose PR positions poorly.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
And I am perfectly within my right to expect more than "lol it's bad" from people.
There are so many trolls and haters around here than it is more reasonable for me to ignore the simple hater posts than it is for you to consider them.
Plenty of people have posted an explanation, yes, but reasonable? I've seen "too cute" more times than I can count, and when it is responded to with a legitimate argument such as a list of things that are far more "cute," it is ignored and never rebutted. Ever.
I'm all for negativity and expression of opinion, but it isn't wise to even consider most of the posts here. My standards are as high as they are because I know the crowd that is posting. Take a look at the WoW forums after any announcement of any major feature, and you'll see insane amounts of negativity. Then, lo and behold, people love the feature and claim they had thought of it ages ago. If you're accepting all these "opinions" as a realistic view of what people want, then I suggest you lurk more. :P
'Everyone who likes this infantile expansion is either a five year old, or is such a huge Blizzard fanboy so lost to Blizzard's hype that they can't even see that the expansion is aiming to appeal to the masses of kiddies... unless they can provide me with a thorough and well thought out explaination that fits within my perception of what an acceptable reason is.'
I don't personally feel that way, but it is the polarized opposite to what you are saying. That everyone who voices dislike in the next WoW expansion is a hater or troll unless they can provide evidence to the contrary that measures up to your standards of what an acceptable reason is.
Sorry but I dislike the next WoW expansion because it's focus is too immature between Kung-foo Pandas and the Pokemon pet battle system. And I use to really like WoW, hell I played it for over six years and came back for every past expansion. I won't however, be coming back for the next expansion. And you know what, I'm not the only one who feels this way.
But just keep telling yourself that people who dislike the expansion are just trolls and haters if it makes you feel better.
Originally posted by grawss Originally posted by precious328
Because people decorate baby rooms in Pandas.
What's next? a Giraffe race?
Oh please. Ever heard of the Big Bad Wolf? The three little pigs? Do people not decorate baby rooms with cows or have cow spotted blankets? You're stretching things to fit your argument, and that says a lot about the validity of said argument.
Flying reindeer, "the greench," mohawk grenades, murloc costumes, cute little vanity pets, using fish as a weapon, collecting poop for quests, "Haris Pilton," /dance, tonka trucks, etc.
Tell me good sir, are Pandaren more kid-like than those? If so, I'd like to know where all the bias comes from. Give me a "confessions of a WoW hater" post or something. :P
Remember kids: Just because the bad man tries to give you candy doesn't mean you should jump on his bandwagon.
Pretty much sums it all up imo.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity. I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
Oh please. Ever heard of the Big Bad Wolf? The three little pigs? Do people not decorate baby rooms with cows or have cow spotted blankets? You're stretching things to fit your argument, and that says a lot about the validity of said argument.
Flying reindeer, "the greench," mohawk grenades, murloc costumes, cute little vanity pets, using fish as a weapon, collecting poop for quests, "Haris Pilton," /dance, tonka trucks, etc.
Tell me good sir, are Pandaren more kid-like than those? If so, I'd like to know where all the bias comes from. Give me a "confessions of a WoW hater" post or something. :P
Remember kids: Just because the bad man tries to give you candy doesn't mean you should jump on his bandwagon.
Pretty much sums it all up imo.
The difference is that said "joke" content wasn't the main stage content of WoW.
The next expansion however, does have joke content at the forefront of it.
That's why it crosses the line for so many people.
Oh please. Ever heard of the Big Bad Wolf? The three little pigs? Do people not decorate baby rooms with cows or have cow spotted blankets? You're stretching things to fit your argument, and that says a lot about the validity of said argument.
Flying reindeer, "the greench," mohawk grenades, murloc costumes, cute little vanity pets, using fish as a weapon, collecting poop for quests, "Haris Pilton," /dance, tonka trucks, etc.
Tell me good sir, are Pandaren more kid-like than those? If so, I'd like to know where all the bias comes from. Give me a "confessions of a WoW hater" post or something. :P
Remember kids: Just because the bad man tries to give you candy doesn't mean you should jump on his bandwagon.
Pretty much sums it all up imo.
The difference is that said "joke" content wasn't the main stage content of WoW. The next expansion however, does have joke content at the forefront of it. That's why it crosses the line for so many people.
again .. and again .. it's not a joke. it's been in lore for as long as most other things at least as far back as wc3.
And if you can endure russian space goats with demigod powered cystal ships as a main focus for an expansion, I don't see how this is so much of a stretch.
the qq over this is really amusing though.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity. I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
And I use to really like WoW, hell I played it for over six years and came back for every past expansion. I won't however, be coming back for the next expansion. And you know what, I'm not the only one who feels this way.
Maybe it's time for you and the other few people to move on to another game. You will gain no sympathy here stating how much time you had invested in the game. Everyone in here has many, many hours invested in whatever game they play.
I played WoW alot as well, but I knew when it was time to move on. I knew it didn't matter to blizzard if I quit, nor did I care. It's the same sad reality for you. Except, you seem personally hurt over the loss. In time you will feel silly about that.
If you love the game so much, are you really gonna let a Panda kick yer butt out of the game?
'Everyone who likes this infantile expansion is either a five year old, or is such a huge Blizzard fanboy so lost to Blizzard's hype that they can't even see that the expansion is aiming to appeal to the masses of kiddies... unless they can provide me with a thorough and well thought out explaination that fits within my perception of what an acceptable reason is.'
I don't personally feel that way, but it is the polarized opposite to what you are saying. That everyone who voices dislike in the next WoW expansion is a hater or troll unless they can provide evidence to the contrary that measures up to your standards of what an acceptable reason is.
Sorry but I dislike the next WoW expansion because it's focus is too immature between Kung-foo Pandas and the Pokemon pet battle system. And I use to really like WoW, hell I played it for over six years and came back for every past expansion. I won't however, be coming back for the next expansion. And you know what, I'm not the only one who feels this way.
But just keep telling yourself that people who dislike the expansion are just trolls and haters if it makes you feel better.
Where did I say people who dislike it are haters and trolls? O_o I even said I welcomed negativity, as long as it had some sort of reasoning behind it that didn't include using "lol" as a punctuation mark.
Your post here is exactly what I'm talking about. You call it immature, and that's fine, but until you can refute the Mohawk Grenade, pink pigtail gnome, /dance, etc arguments, I consider your opinion invalid. You even use sensationalist terms such as "kung-foo panda," and for what reason? To try forcing more negativity down my throat? You aren't just expressing your opinion and leaving it at that; you're purposefully embellishing to try making the game out to seem worse than it is, which is exactly what "haters and trolls" do.
You can dislike the expansion all you want, but don't expect unbiased people to accept what you say. The forums would be a better place without so much baseless negativity.
Originally posted by Sukiyaki
Isnt it funny how the reason "It feels like and it looks like a joke and/or cheap Kung Fu Panda knock off to me irelevant to past WoW lore jokes" are so easily brushed off as invidalid by WoW fans as reason to complain or to call this even paid expansion out to be a joke or Kung Fu Panda knock off...
when thats the very same fallacious arguments WoW fanboys always resort to, when their pretentious objective reasons (alleged copied features/designconcepts) to call a game a WoW clone have been debunked once again after a long drawn already long redundant discussion (usually as not originating from or invented by WoW at all) ?
"Hurr durr WoW feels much less like EQ or other pre 2005 MMORPG (to me) than game X feels like WoW (to me). What I say is universal truth and in no way said just out of spite for the sake of argument, therefore all your rebutals are invalid and calling game X a WoW clone is perfectly reasonable!"
Sorry this expansion theme simply feels and looks more like a Kung Fu Panda knock off for kids and unserious grab at light and young gamer while playing one of the few remaining "unfullfilled popular wishes" cards, than it feels and looks like an attempt to pick up some potential from the Warcraft lore.
Prove me wrong. Oh wait you cant. Your game is a Kung Fu Panda clone.
Chicken and egg and duck argument is irelevant because I say so.
Calling people out for their terrible arguments, then immediately following with your own hypocritcal version of the same argument is pretty damn hilarious.
Blizzard was supposedly planning to introduce Pandaren into Burning Crusade, but decided Draenei would fit the lore better for the time. That would mean it has been on hold rather than a new idea.
The difference is that said "joke" content wasn't the main stage content of WoW.
The next expansion however, does have joke content at the forefront of it.
That's why it crosses the line for so many people.
Well, that and the rest of the expansion features listed are not very impressive.
Interesting tagline available for the competitors though: "Buy GW2--We Don't Need No Steenking Pandas".
Anyway, a few posts is all the care I can manage to scape up. Good luck and enjoy your cute furries.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
I dunno, could be just me, but if a game company has to stand up just after announcing an expansion and tell people they're not kidding... something is wrong somewhere.
I played WoW for years, I get that people wanted Pandaren, I played with people who bought the CE of WoW and had the Panda pet (and it was adorable). I loved the Pandaren Brewmaster in WC3 myself...
I just don't understand buiilding an expac around them, and them alone. That's where my problem with it is. I know people will lap up the pet Pokémon battles with a spoon, but it's not my thing (too old for Pokémon ever to have meant anything to me apart from "I choose you Pikachu!").
There's just nothing there that appeals to me, but then I'm not their target market, I walked away over 2 years ago and never looked back. So I guess Blizzard could care less that there are people like me out there going "Huh? Really?", but it's kind of unfortunate that they had to defend themselves on it so quickly.
I work with a bunch of WoW players, and opinions differ vastly on MoP: some think it's genius, some are talking about their guilds threatening to ragequit. It sure as heck is divisive - but people are talking, and for a game that's been out as long as WoW, people still talking is a great thing. No such thing as bad publicity and all that...
Honestly, I don't have the slightest interest in resubbing or playing MoP, but I'm interested to see what people think when it comes out - will it turn out to be disaster or a stroke of genius? Guess we'll all have to wait and see.
I dunno, could be just me, but if a game company has to stand up just after announcing an expansion and tell people they're not kidding... something is wrong somewhere.
It was an April Fools joke a while back (Pandarens at least), so it's understandable that they would verify the legitimacy.
The thing is, if they didn't revolve the entire expansion around Pandaria (not Pandarens), how would they introduce it? They wanted to make Pandaria actually mean something, which involves creating an entirely new continent. Is an entire continent not expansion-worthy?
Oh please. Ever heard of the Big Bad Wolf? The three little pigs? Do people not decorate baby rooms with cows or have cow spotted blankets? You're stretching things to fit your argument, and that says a lot about the validity of said argument.
Flying reindeer, "the greench," mohawk grenades, murloc costumes, cute little vanity pets, using fish as a weapon, collecting poop for quests, "Haris Pilton," /dance, tonka trucks, etc.
Tell me good sir, are Pandaren more kid-like than those? If so, I'd like to know where all the bias comes from. Give me a "confessions of a WoW hater" post or something. :P
Remember kids: Just because the bad man tries to give you candy doesn't mean you should jump on his bandwagon.
Pretty much sums it all up imo.
The difference is that said "joke" content wasn't the main stage content of WoW.
The next expansion however, does have joke content at the forefront of it.
That's why it crosses the line for so many people.
again .. and again .. it's not a joke. it's been in lore for as long as most other things at least as far back as wc3.
And if you can endure russian space goats with demigod powered cystal ships as a main focus for an expansion, I don't see how this is so much of a stretch.
the qq over this is really amusing though.
Yes Pandaren existed in Warcraft lore already, AS A JOKE. They've been the punch line of two of Blizzard's April fools jokes. Even in Warcraft 3 the Pandaren unit mostly existed as a joke in reference to one of the April fools joke.
As the saying goes, if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...
Which is why despite Metzen's claims that the Pandaren expansion is serious, a lot of people can't take it seriously, which is turning them away from want to come back for the next expansion.
Oh please. Ever heard of the Big Bad Wolf? The three little pigs? Do people not decorate baby rooms with cows or have cow spotted blankets? You're stretching things to fit your argument, and that says a lot about the validity of said argument.
Flying reindeer, "the greench," mohawk grenades, murloc costumes, cute little vanity pets, using fish as a weapon, collecting poop for quests, "Haris Pilton," /dance, tonka trucks, etc.
Tell me good sir, are Pandaren more kid-like than those? If so, I'd like to know where all the bias comes from. Give me a "confessions of a WoW hater" post or something. :P
Remember kids: Just because the bad man tries to give you candy doesn't mean you should jump on his bandwagon.
Pretty much sums it all up imo.
The difference is that said "joke" content wasn't the main stage content of WoW. The next expansion however, does have joke content at the forefront of it. That's why it crosses the line for so many people.
again .. and again .. it's not a joke. it's been in lore for as long as most other things at least as far back as wc3. http://www.wowwiki.com/Pandaren And if you can endure russian space goats with demigod powered cystal ships as a main focus for an expansion, I don't see how this is so much of a stretch. the qq over this is really amusing though.
Yes Pandaren existed in Warcraft lore already, AS A JOKE. They've been the punch line of two of Blizzard's April fools jokes. Even in Warcraft 3 the Pandaren unit mostly existed as a joke in reference to one of the April fools joke. http://www.wowwiki.com/Pandaren_(April_Fools) http://www.wowwiki.com/Pandaren_Xpress As the saying goes, if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck... Which is why despite Metzen's claims that the Pandaren expansion is serious, a lot of people can't take it seriously, which is turning them away from want to come back for the next expansion.
I applaud your selective reading.
"Pandaren were in Garithos' Elite Guard and fought the blood elves trying to escape to Outland. These included a pandaren brewmaster and pandaren mercenaries."
"Chen's Empty Keg: Refers to the secret pandaren brewmaster hero Chen Stormstout who aided Rexxar in Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne."
"An NPC child, Justin, who walks around Stormwind and fishes with two other NPCs tells unbelievable stories, one of them includes him saying "It's true! People have seen them! Pandaren really do exist!""
That page contains plenty of other references from a very long list of warcraft cannon sources ranging from books, to wc3 in game units to the roleplaying game.
NONE OF WHICH WERE A JOKE.
Yes there was an april fools joke, but there are 100s, if not more OTHER SOURCES. If you actually researched it and listened to Blizzcast's first edition, the lead concept artist's nickname is panda.
But yer just gonna go with the herd and call it a joke .. so .. w/e
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity. I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
Oh please. Ever heard of the Big Bad Wolf? The three little pigs? Do people not decorate baby rooms with cows or have cow spotted blankets? You're stretching things to fit your argument, and that says a lot about the validity of said argument.
Flying reindeer, "the greench," mohawk grenades, murloc costumes, cute little vanity pets, using fish as a weapon, collecting poop for quests, "Haris Pilton," /dance, tonka trucks, etc.
Tell me good sir, are Pandaren more kid-like than those? If so, I'd like to know where all the bias comes from. Give me a "confessions of a WoW hater" post or something. :P
Remember kids: Just because the bad man tries to give you candy doesn't mean you should jump on his bandwagon.
Pretty much sums it all up imo.
The difference is that said "joke" content wasn't the main stage content of WoW.
The next expansion however, does have joke content at the forefront of it.
That's why it crosses the line for so many people.
again .. and again .. it's not a joke. it's been in lore for as long as most other things at least as far back as wc3.
And if you can endure russian space goats with demigod powered cystal ships as a main focus for an expansion, I don't see how this is so much of a stretch.
the qq over this is really amusing though.
Yes Pandaren existed in Warcraft lore already, AS A JOKE. They've been the punch line of two of Blizzard's April fools jokes. Even in Warcraft 3 the Pandaren unit mostly existed as a joke in reference to one of the April fools joke.
As the saying goes, if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...
Which is why despite Metzen's claims that the Pandaren expansion is serious, a lot of people can't take it seriously, which is turning them away from want to come back for the next expansion.
I applaud your selective reading.
"Pandaren were in Garithos' Elite Guard and fought the blood elves trying to escape to Outland. These included a pandaren brewmaster and pandaren mercenaries."
"Chen's Empty Keg: Refers to the secret pandaren brewmaster hero Chen Stormstout who aided Rexxar in Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne."
"An NPC child, Justin, who walks around Stormwind and fishes with two other NPCs tells unbelievable stories, one of them includes him saying "It's true! People have seen them! Pandaren really do exist!""
That page contains plenty of other references from a very long list of warcraft cannon sources ranging from books, to wc3 in game units to the roleplaying game.
NONE OF WHICH WERE A JOKE.
Well in that case... mmm... nope... still not taking Pandaren seriously.
Pandaren may have been a very minor part of Warcraft's lore, but most people didn't say anything because they were out of sight and out of mind. Again, because they were minor. Now that they're being brought into the spotlight a lot of people are speaking up against the ridiculousness of them.
Honestly, and I sincerely mean this, if Pandaren were a major part of WoW lore at the release of the game, I would never have bought nor played WoW. I just can't take a game seriously when Kung-foo pandas are a major part of it. And yeah, I'm one of those "weird" people who actually cares about the lore of the games they play, and dislikes when said lore dips to a level of immaturity that spotlights Kung-foo pandas.
No matter how hard Blizzard, you, or anyone else tries to justify the existence of Pandaren as a major and legitimate piece of lore in the game, it will not change the opinion of many people who find the concept utterly silly and childish to the point of being a huge turn off.
During the World of Warcraft Story and Lore panel at this year's BlizzCon, Chris Metzen, Blizzard's Vice President of Creative Development, addressed fans wondering whether the upcoming Mists of Pandaria expansion to World of Warcraft would feature more serious story content by responding that the expansion's slated Pandaren-themed content is "no joke."
"This is not a throw-away silly-silly ha ha funny expansion set; it is absolutely the next vital chapter and as things ratchet up, they’re gonna get really gnarly.” Metzen added.
Did you think the Mists of Pandaria expansion was a joke when it was first announced? Share your thoughts in the comments below!
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Because people decorate baby rooms in Pandas.
What's next? a Giraffe race?
Oh please. Ever heard of the Big Bad Wolf? The three little pigs? Do people not decorate baby rooms with cows or have cow spotted blankets? You're stretching things to fit your argument, and that says a lot about the validity of said argument.
Flying reindeer, "the greench," mohawk grenades, murloc costumes, cute little vanity pets, using fish as a weapon, collecting poop for quests, "Haris Pilton," /dance, tonka trucks, etc.
Tell me good sir, are Pandaren more kid-like than those? If so, I'd like to know where all the bias comes from. Give me a "confessions of a WoW hater" post or something. :P
Remember kids: Just because the bad man tries to give you candy doesn't mean you should jump on his bandwagon.
Pretty much sums it all up imo.
The difference is that said "joke" content wasn't the main stage content of WoW. The next expansion however, does have joke content at the forefront of it. That's why it crosses the line for so many people.
again .. and again .. it's not a joke. it's been in lore for as long as most other things at least as far back as wc3. http://www.wowwiki.com/Pandaren And if you can endure russian space goats with demigod powered cystal ships as a main focus for an expansion, I don't see how this is so much of a stretch. the qq over this is really amusing though.
Yes Pandaren existed in Warcraft lore already, AS A JOKE. They've been the punch line of two of Blizzard's April fools jokes. Even in Warcraft 3 the Pandaren unit mostly existed as a joke in reference to one of the April fools joke. http://www.wowwiki.com/Pandaren_(April_Fools) http://www.wowwiki.com/Pandaren_Xpress As the saying goes, if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck... Which is why despite Metzen's claims that the Pandaren expansion is serious, a lot of people can't take it seriously, which is turning them away from want to come back for the next expansion.
I applaud your selective reading. "Pandaren were in Garithos' Elite Guard and fought the blood elves trying to escape to Outland. These included a pandaren brewmaster and pandaren mercenaries." "Chen's Empty Keg: Refers to the secret pandaren brewmaster hero Chen Stormstout who aided Rexxar in Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne." "An NPC child, Justin, who walks around Stormwind and fishes with two other NPCs tells unbelievable stories, one of them includes him saying "It's true! People have seen them! Pandaren really do exist!"" http://www.wowwiki.com/Pandaren That page contains plenty of other references from a very long list of warcraft cannon sources ranging from books, to wc3 in game units to the roleplaying game. NONE OF WHICH WERE A JOKE. Well in that case... mmm... nope... still not taking Pandaren seriously. Pandaren may have been a very minor part of Warcraft's lore, but most people didn't say anything because they were out of sight and out of mind. Again, because they were minor. Now that they're being brought into the spotlight a lot of people are speaking up against the ridiculousness of them. Honestly, and I sincerely mean this, if Pandaren were a major part of WoW lore at the release of the game, I would never have bought nor played WoW. I just can't take a game seriously when Kung-foo pandas are a major part of it. And yeah, I'm one of those "weird" people who actually cares about the lore of the games they play, and dislikes when said lore dips to a level of immaturity that spotlights Kung-foo pandas. No matter how hard Blizzard, you, or anyone else tries to justify the existence of Pandaren as a major and legitimate piece of lore in the game, it will not change the opinion of many people who find the concept utterly silly and childish to the point of being a huge turn off.
I believe that you feel that way. I sincerely doubt there are that many people that are going to quit wow simply because of pandas. Especially when you consider the laundry list of other childish and cute things in the game.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity. I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
Honestly, and I sincerely mean this, if Pandaren were a major part of WoW lore at the release of the game, I would never have bought nor played WoW. I just can't take a game seriously when Kung-foo pandas are a major part of it. And yeah, I'm one of those "weird" people who actually cares about the lore of the games they play, and dislikes when said lore dips to a level of immaturity that spotlights Kung-foo pandas.
No matter how hard Blizzard, you, or anyone else tries to justify the existence of Pandaren as a major and legitimate piece of lore in the game, it will not change the opinion of many people who find the concept utterly silly and childish to the point of being a huge turn off.
Please enlighten us as to why all the other things in WoW now are more mature that pandas?
If you really cared about the lore, you would realize how much has been changed and added over the years. It is their lore, they can go whatever direction they want.
No one is trying to change yours or anyone elses opinion. That is a futile effort to say the least.
Time to move on. Complaining about it on the way out gets you nowhere. In fact you are forgotten shortly after, when the people still having fun keep playing.
Sure WoW will lose some subs, but also gain some as well. Either way, the game will continue to be profitable.
You are all making me a sad Panda. Pandas are kewl mkay?
Do you guys associate pandas only with kung fu panda?
And someone mentioned EQ2 and how it would be silly if they added a bunny. Are you effin serious dude??? They have frogs and fae in that game. F to the R to the O to the G to the S. FROGS!
Mission in life: Vanquish all MMORPG.com trolls - especially TESO, WOW and GW2 trolls.
i can only LOL Blizzard now as company, they put something into game that never was in WoW serial before, and it doesnt even fit in this serial enviroment.
WoW is finally entering slowly its final phase to be epic fail and after that update it will be, welcome to Pandomania City xD
seriously guys wol like WoW just find a new mmo ta play, good luck on all
Honestly, and I sincerely mean this, if Pandaren were a major part of WoW lore at the release of the game, I would never have bought nor played WoW. I just can't take a game seriously when Kung-foo pandas are a major part of it. And yeah, I'm one of those "weird" people who actually cares about the lore of the games they play, and dislikes when said lore dips to a level of immaturity that spotlights Kung-foo pandas.
No matter how hard Blizzard, you, or anyone else tries to justify the existence of Pandaren as a major and legitimate piece of lore in the game, it will not change the opinion of many people who find the concept utterly silly and childish to the point of being a huge turn off.
Please enlighten us as to why all the other things in WoW now are more mature that pandas?
If you really cared about the lore, you would realize how much has been changed and added over the years. It is their lore, they can go whatever direction they want.
No one is trying to change yours or anyone elses opinion. That is a futile effort to say the least.
Time to move on. Complaining about it on the way out gets you nowhere. In fact you are forgotten shortly after, when the people still having fun keep playing.
Sure WoW will lose some subs, but also gain some as well. Either way, the game will continue to be profitable.
I understand what you're getting at.
Personally though, I haven't been liking where Warcraft lore has been going. Pandaren more than crosses the line of my limit as to how much ridiculous lore I can tolerate.
Yes Blizzard can do whatever they want with their lore, but that doesn't mean I have to like it, and I'm well within my right to voice how childish this addition to the lore is.
As I said in a previous post, if Pandaren existed in WoW during the game's release, I would not have ever bought WoW. It isn't just Pandaren either though, it's a culmination of a lot of things dumbing down and 'kiddifying' the game. Pandaren are just an iconic representation of the direction the MMOs been headed in, which is why at least I'm focusing on Pandaren as being ridiculous... and not drumming up that the talent system is beign dumbed down yet again, and the whole pokemon addition...
I noticed one thing this panda thing has really sprouted so many threads that the SWTOR press NDA lift has been pushed off the front pages.
Blizzard definitely accomplished one thing. Everybody's talking about their panda expansion now.
And here lies the genius of marketing.
I spoke with a few co-workers about the next WoW expansion today. Two of the three of them had already heard the announcement and seen the video, they thought it was a joke. After convincing all three of them that it was serious and that really was what the next expansion is going to be, all three of them couldn't stop laughing at how ridiculous it is.
Needless to say, none of them will be buying the expansion.
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The joke is on the naysayers. I predict WoW will reach an all time high in subscribers because of MoP. And if that means a few elistist douches leave so they can play their super serious games (lol?), while more "casual gamers" come into WoW... then I welcome it. The community will be better for it.
Of course, any publicity is good publicity.
But once the message board uproar dies down (this kind of splash is usually only good for a week or so), most of us go back to being ex-WoW players. And they've purchased nothing, except a perception that Metzen chose PR positions poorly.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
'Everyone who likes this infantile expansion is either a five year old, or is such a huge Blizzard fanboy so lost to Blizzard's hype that they can't even see that the expansion is aiming to appeal to the masses of kiddies... unless they can provide me with a thorough and well thought out explaination that fits within my perception of what an acceptable reason is.'
I don't personally feel that way, but it is the polarized opposite to what you are saying. That everyone who voices dislike in the next WoW expansion is a hater or troll unless they can provide evidence to the contrary that measures up to your standards of what an acceptable reason is.
Sorry but I dislike the next WoW expansion because it's focus is too immature between Kung-foo Pandas and the Pokemon pet battle system. And I use to really like WoW, hell I played it for over six years and came back for every past expansion. I won't however, be coming back for the next expansion. And you know what, I'm not the only one who feels this way.
But just keep telling yourself that people who dislike the expansion are just trolls and haters if it makes you feel better.
Hey guys, lets avoid baiting other's into personal attacks.
Oh please. Ever heard of the Big Bad Wolf? The three little pigs? Do people not decorate baby rooms with cows or have cow spotted blankets? You're stretching things to fit your argument, and that says a lot about the validity of said argument.
Flying reindeer, "the greench," mohawk grenades, murloc costumes, cute little vanity pets, using fish as a weapon, collecting poop for quests, "Haris Pilton," /dance, tonka trucks, etc.
Tell me good sir, are Pandaren more kid-like than those? If so, I'd like to know where all the bias comes from. Give me a "confessions of a WoW hater" post or something. :P
Remember kids: Just because the bad man tries to give you candy doesn't mean you should jump on his bandwagon.
Pretty much sums it all up imo.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
The difference is that said "joke" content wasn't the main stage content of WoW.
The next expansion however, does have joke content at the forefront of it.
That's why it crosses the line for so many people.
again .. and again .. it's not a joke. it's been in lore for as long as most other things at least as far back as wc3.
http://www.wowwiki.com/Pandaren
And if you can endure russian space goats with demigod powered cystal ships as a main focus for an expansion, I don't see how this is so much of a stretch.
the qq over this is really amusing though.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
Maybe it's time for you and the other few people to move on to another game. You will gain no sympathy here stating how much time you had invested in the game. Everyone in here has many, many hours invested in whatever game they play.
I played WoW alot as well, but I knew when it was time to move on. I knew it didn't matter to blizzard if I quit, nor did I care. It's the same sad reality for you. Except, you seem personally hurt over the loss. In time you will feel silly about that.
If you love the game so much, are you really gonna let a Panda kick yer butt out of the game?
Where did I say people who dislike it are haters and trolls? O_o I even said I welcomed negativity, as long as it had some sort of reasoning behind it that didn't include using "lol" as a punctuation mark.
Your post here is exactly what I'm talking about. You call it immature, and that's fine, but until you can refute the Mohawk Grenade, pink pigtail gnome, /dance, etc arguments, I consider your opinion invalid. You even use sensationalist terms such as "kung-foo panda," and for what reason? To try forcing more negativity down my throat? You aren't just expressing your opinion and leaving it at that; you're purposefully embellishing to try making the game out to seem worse than it is, which is exactly what "haters and trolls" do.
You can dislike the expansion all you want, but don't expect unbiased people to accept what you say. The forums would be a better place without so much baseless negativity.
Calling people out for their terrible arguments, then immediately following with your own hypocritcal version of the same argument is pretty damn hilarious.
Blizzard was supposedly planning to introduce Pandaren into Burning Crusade, but decided Draenei would fit the lore better for the time. That would mean it has been on hold rather than a new idea.
Sarcasm is not a crime!
Well, that and the rest of the expansion features listed are not very impressive.
Interesting tagline available for the competitors though: "Buy GW2--We Don't Need No Steenking Pandas".
Anyway, a few posts is all the care I can manage to scape up. Good luck and enjoy your cute furries.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
I dunno, could be just me, but if a game company has to stand up just after announcing an expansion and tell people they're not kidding... something is wrong somewhere.
I played WoW for years, I get that people wanted Pandaren, I played with people who bought the CE of WoW and had the Panda pet (and it was adorable). I loved the Pandaren Brewmaster in WC3 myself...
I just don't understand buiilding an expac around them, and them alone. That's where my problem with it is. I know people will lap up the pet Pokémon battles with a spoon, but it's not my thing (too old for Pokémon ever to have meant anything to me apart from "I choose you Pikachu!").
There's just nothing there that appeals to me, but then I'm not their target market, I walked away over 2 years ago and never looked back. So I guess Blizzard could care less that there are people like me out there going "Huh? Really?", but it's kind of unfortunate that they had to defend themselves on it so quickly.
I work with a bunch of WoW players, and opinions differ vastly on MoP: some think it's genius, some are talking about their guilds threatening to ragequit. It sure as heck is divisive - but people are talking, and for a game that's been out as long as WoW, people still talking is a great thing. No such thing as bad publicity and all that...
Honestly, I don't have the slightest interest in resubbing or playing MoP, but I'm interested to see what people think when it comes out - will it turn out to be disaster or a stroke of genius? Guess we'll all have to wait and see.
It was an April Fools joke a while back (Pandarens at least), so it's understandable that they would verify the legitimacy.
The thing is, if they didn't revolve the entire expansion around Pandaria (not Pandarens), how would they introduce it? They wanted to make Pandaria actually mean something, which involves creating an entirely new continent. Is an entire continent not expansion-worthy?
Sarcasm is not a crime!
Yes Pandaren existed in Warcraft lore already, AS A JOKE. They've been the punch line of two of Blizzard's April fools jokes. Even in Warcraft 3 the Pandaren unit mostly existed as a joke in reference to one of the April fools joke.
http://www.wowwiki.com/Pandaren_(April_Fools)
http://www.wowwiki.com/Pandaren_Xpress
As the saying goes, if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...
Which is why despite Metzen's claims that the Pandaren expansion is serious, a lot of people can't take it seriously, which is turning them away from want to come back for the next expansion.
I applaud your selective reading.
"Pandaren were in Garithos' Elite Guard and fought the blood elves trying to escape to Outland. These included a pandaren brewmaster and pandaren mercenaries."
"Chen's Empty Keg: Refers to the secret pandaren brewmaster hero Chen Stormstout who aided Rexxar in Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne."
"An NPC child, Justin, who walks around Stormwind and fishes with two other NPCs tells unbelievable stories, one of them includes him saying "It's true! People have seen them! Pandaren really do exist!""
http://www.wowwiki.com/Pandaren
That page contains plenty of other references from a very long list of warcraft cannon sources ranging from books, to wc3 in game units to the roleplaying game.
NONE OF WHICH WERE A JOKE.
Yes there was an april fools joke, but there are 100s, if not more OTHER SOURCES. If you actually researched it and listened to Blizzcast's first edition, the lead concept artist's nickname is panda.
But yer just gonna go with the herd and call it a joke .. so .. w/e
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
Well in that case... mmm... nope... still not taking Pandaren seriously.
Pandaren may have been a very minor part of Warcraft's lore, but most people didn't say anything because they were out of sight and out of mind. Again, because they were minor. Now that they're being brought into the spotlight a lot of people are speaking up against the ridiculousness of them.
Honestly, and I sincerely mean this, if Pandaren were a major part of WoW lore at the release of the game, I would never have bought nor played WoW. I just can't take a game seriously when Kung-foo pandas are a major part of it. And yeah, I'm one of those "weird" people who actually cares about the lore of the games they play, and dislikes when said lore dips to a level of immaturity that spotlights Kung-foo pandas.
No matter how hard Blizzard, you, or anyone else tries to justify the existence of Pandaren as a major and legitimate piece of lore in the game, it will not change the opinion of many people who find the concept utterly silly and childish to the point of being a huge turn off.
All due respect to Mr. Metzen, but yes, yes it is and not a particularly good one. Swtor here I come.
Oh please. Ever heard of the Big Bad Wolf? The three little pigs? Do people not decorate baby rooms with cows or have cow spotted blankets? You're stretching things to fit your argument, and that says a lot about the validity of said argument.
Flying reindeer, "the greench," mohawk grenades, murloc costumes, cute little vanity pets, using fish as a weapon, collecting poop for quests, "Haris Pilton," /dance, tonka trucks, etc.
Tell me good sir, are Pandaren more kid-like than those? If so, I'd like to know where all the bias comes from. Give me a "confessions of a WoW hater" post or something. :P
Remember kids: Just because the bad man tries to give you candy doesn't mean you should jump on his bandwagon.
Pretty much sums it all up imo.
The difference is that said "joke" content wasn't the main stage content of WoW.
The next expansion however, does have joke content at the forefront of it.
That's why it crosses the line for so many people.
again .. and again .. it's not a joke. it's been in lore for as long as most other things at least as far back as wc3.
http://www.wowwiki.com/Pandaren
And if you can endure russian space goats with demigod powered cystal ships as a main focus for an expansion, I don't see how this is so much of a stretch.
the qq over this is really amusing though.
Yes Pandaren existed in Warcraft lore already, AS A JOKE. They've been the punch line of two of Blizzard's April fools jokes. Even in Warcraft 3 the Pandaren unit mostly existed as a joke in reference to one of the April fools joke.
http://www.wowwiki.com/Pandaren_(April_Fools)
http://www.wowwiki.com/Pandaren_Xpress
As the saying goes, if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...
Which is why despite Metzen's claims that the Pandaren expansion is serious, a lot of people can't take it seriously, which is turning them away from want to come back for the next expansion.
I applaud your selective reading.
"Pandaren were in Garithos' Elite Guard and fought the blood elves trying to escape to Outland. These included a pandaren brewmaster and pandaren mercenaries."
"Chen's Empty Keg: Refers to the secret pandaren brewmaster hero Chen Stormstout who aided Rexxar in Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne."
"An NPC child, Justin, who walks around Stormwind and fishes with two other NPCs tells unbelievable stories, one of them includes him saying "It's true! People have seen them! Pandaren really do exist!""
http://www.wowwiki.com/Pandaren
That page contains plenty of other references from a very long list of warcraft cannon sources ranging from books, to wc3 in game units to the roleplaying game.
NONE OF WHICH WERE A JOKE.
Well in that case... mmm... nope... still not taking Pandaren seriously.
Pandaren may have been a very minor part of Warcraft's lore, but most people didn't say anything because they were out of sight and out of mind. Again, because they were minor. Now that they're being brought into the spotlight a lot of people are speaking up against the ridiculousness of them.
Honestly, and I sincerely mean this, if Pandaren were a major part of WoW lore at the release of the game, I would never have bought nor played WoW. I just can't take a game seriously when Kung-foo pandas are a major part of it. And yeah, I'm one of those "weird" people who actually cares about the lore of the games they play, and dislikes when said lore dips to a level of immaturity that spotlights Kung-foo pandas.
No matter how hard Blizzard, you, or anyone else tries to justify the existence of Pandaren as a major and legitimate piece of lore in the game, it will not change the opinion of many people who find the concept utterly silly and childish to the point of being a huge turn off.
I believe that you feel that way. I sincerely doubt there are that many people that are going to quit wow simply because of pandas. Especially when you consider the laundry list of other childish and cute things in the game.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
Please enlighten us as to why all the other things in WoW now are more mature that pandas?
If you really cared about the lore, you would realize how much has been changed and added over the years. It is their lore, they can go whatever direction they want.
No one is trying to change yours or anyone elses opinion. That is a futile effort to say the least.
Time to move on. Complaining about it on the way out gets you nowhere. In fact you are forgotten shortly after, when the people still having fun keep playing.
Sure WoW will lose some subs, but also gain some as well. Either way, the game will continue to be profitable.
You are all making me a sad Panda. Pandas are kewl mkay?
Do you guys associate pandas only with kung fu panda?
And someone mentioned EQ2 and how it would be silly if they added a bunny. Are you effin serious dude??? They have frogs and fae in that game. F to the R to the O to the G to the S. FROGS!
Mission in life: Vanquish all MMORPG.com trolls - especially TESO, WOW and GW2 trolls.
i can only LOL Blizzard now as company, they put something into game that never was in WoW serial before, and it doesnt even fit in this serial enviroment.
WoW is finally entering slowly its final phase to be epic fail and after that update it will be, welcome to Pandomania City xD
seriously guys wol like WoW just find a new mmo ta play, good luck on all
I understand what you're getting at.
Personally though, I haven't been liking where Warcraft lore has been going. Pandaren more than crosses the line of my limit as to how much ridiculous lore I can tolerate.
Yes Blizzard can do whatever they want with their lore, but that doesn't mean I have to like it, and I'm well within my right to voice how childish this addition to the lore is.
As I said in a previous post, if Pandaren existed in WoW during the game's release, I would not have ever bought WoW. It isn't just Pandaren either though, it's a culmination of a lot of things dumbing down and 'kiddifying' the game. Pandaren are just an iconic representation of the direction the MMOs been headed in, which is why at least I'm focusing on Pandaren as being ridiculous... and not drumming up that the talent system is beign dumbed down yet again, and the whole pokemon addition...
I noticed one thing this panda thing has really sprouted so many threads that the SWTOR press NDA lift has been pushed off the front pages.
Blizzard definitely accomplished one thing. Everybody's talking about their panda expansion now.
Mission in life: Vanquish all MMORPG.com trolls - especially TESO, WOW and GW2 trolls.
And here lies the genius of marketing.
I spoke with a few co-workers about the next WoW expansion today. Two of the three of them had already heard the announcement and seen the video, they thought it was a joke. After convincing all three of them that it was serious and that really was what the next expansion is going to be, all three of them couldn't stop laughing at how ridiculous it is.
Needless to say, none of them will be buying the expansion.
Yup, great marketing.