Super cute pandas are no answer to Rift, SWTOR, Guild Wars 2, or Secret World.
I'm going contrarian on this one assertion. They really might be effective. It's called diversity of choice. Using Allods for example and their race of gibberlings.
My impression of Allods art style is that it's more than a little similar to WoW, being low poly and cartoon like textures. Gibberlings in Allods are there to provide an avatar that matches the taste of the people who like that furry cuteness, and better yet you get three. There other character art was cartoonish, but not the extreme of these three.
One thing the other games you mentioned might not have is an option for a "cute funny furry" player character. I'm not likely to play one myself, and I think the whole expansion is risky, but it might work from a financial standpoint.
Assuming they can keep public image up which sounds like it will be a challenge, but eventually the fuss will blow over. Maybe.
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Not to mention that GW2 already has cute child like race. Like it or not but races like these appeal to lots of people. TERA, FFXIV all have their version of cute races. Doesn't mean they are trying to target only to children. But to single outout WOW and hating it is the cool thign to do.
My guess is that cataclysm was luke warm at best and they realized that they need to go for a younger audience.
If you're a WoW player and you're like YAY PANDAS AND POKEMON... you've got issues. I'm not saying the game was some bastion of maturity.... they've been inching more and more towards a younger audience..
Instead of inching they've decided to polevault right over to the toddlers.
It's my opinion, but it's becoming more fact every year. It's sad.
Originally posted by dreamscaper I've seen this posted several times, but I'll post it here again since it's so true.
Cow-people (tauren)? Fine. Boar-people (razor-fens)? No problem. Snake-people (naga)? Nifty. Demon-goat people (satyr)? Neat. Deer-people (centaur)? Peachy. Bird-people (rocs)? Cool. Wolf-people (worgen)? Super-cool. Space-goat people (draenei)? Sexy. Panda people (pandaren)? OMGWTF IZ THIS NONSENSE BLIZZ!?
I don't understand this at all. Why are people flipping their s**t because of this?
and theres racoon ppl (in northrend somewhere)
and walrus ppl, also in northrend.
and mushroom spore ppl things .. in Zangarmarsh.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity. I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
To say that you don't want a game that is already brimming with immature content, to be even (self-percieved) less mature, is kinda like beating a dead horse.
Basically what people are saying is "Everything else in WoW is grown-up and mature content, but Pandas, how could they be so childish".
In other words, some people need to step outside their really narrow-minded POV, and realize that they are already playing a game aimed at youth.
You basically stated that the opinion of people who dislike Pandaren is invalid because WoW is already an immature game.
You are really reaching there Ceridith. However you are still arguing with yourself.
You are putting your own meaning behind my words. I did not state anyones' opinion is invalid. I stated that the game is aimed at youth. It does not mean you have to be young or immature to play it. Have you ever read the rating for WoW? You really should.
Again, because you want to keep arguing and "attacking", My OPINION (big letters for narrow mind) on this debate is about "perceived" maturity level. I don't care if you think it is mature or not, however, to say that a panda is any less mature than most things already in the game, seems very odd IMO (again for the clarity you lack).
I know the Pandas are hurting your WoW sensibilites, but please take your frustration out somewhere else. Maybe a panda plushie?
I requested pandaren. Think about it, they are still bears, which can fuck you up, and now they know martial arts... fuck you up! Whether it used to be one of their jokes or not, who cares. Now its a real part of the game, and watch all these whiners keep playing too, Bet they will all swing around to pandaren sooner or later and be like WTF HELL YEAH.
Chris Metzen can make them as "ferocious" looking as they want and say its not a joke all he wants, but irregardless it still looks f-ing silly.
***Fires soiled plungers at Chris metzen!***
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It is sure a joke, though it looks like Blizz played this one on themselves. The only question left is how much damage to the number of subscriptions and to the reputation of Blizz it has done already and will do in the future? People are right when saying WoW was catoonish already and we didn't like it, but still it was somethig reminding us (elder players) about old good times when we were teens and played 1st WC on our old PCs... and we hoped they would go for improvement with time... now they crossed the line. I am not buying it and I think Blizz had too much of our fame and money, so they stoped respecting us by releasing THIS in the age of space shutles and modern gaming. Oh... don't worry - I will still give Diablo 3 a shot... I hope it won't turn out that Diablo is now incarnated as a giant evil panda with his dark army of pokemons...
I've seen this posted several times, but I'll post it here again since it's so true.
Cow-people (tauren)? Fine.
Boar-people (razor-fens)? No problem.
Snake-people (naga)? Nifty.
Demon-goat people (satyr)? Neat.
Deer-people (centaur)? Peachy.
Bird-people (rocs)? Cool.
Wolf-people (worgen)? Super-cool.
Space-goat people (draenei)? Sexy.
Panda people (pandaren)? OMGWTF IZ THIS NONSENSE BLIZZ!?
I don't understand this at all. Why are people flipping their s**t because of this?
Because people decorate baby rooms in Pandas.
What's next? a Giraffe race?
SSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh! you're giving them ideas! Stop it!!!!
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Panda's seem all cute and docile, but they'd still tear you apart given the chance.
Lol, Koalas are amongst THE most dangerous mammals on the planet. Those cute cuddly teddy bears with lazy eyes will tear off your face in one swipe if given half a chance.
But I wouldn't make action heroes out of them unless I'm aiming at kids market.
Oh please. Ever heard of the Big Bad Wolf? The three little pigs? Do people not decorate baby rooms with cows or have cow spotted blankets? You're stretching things to fit your argument, and that says a lot about the validity of said argument.
Flying reindeer, "the greench," mohawk grenades, murloc costumes, cute little vanity pets, using fish as a weapon, collecting poop for quests, "Haris Pilton," /dance, tonka trucks, etc.
Tell me good sir, are Pandaren more kid-like than those? If so, I'd like to know where all the bias comes from. Give me a "confessions of a WoW hater" post or something. :P
Remember kids: Just because the bad man tries to give you candy doesn't mean you should jump on his bandwagon.
Never saw this as a joke, not even when MoP was just a rumor. It seemed perfectly reasonable to me that MoP would be the next expansion and when it turned out to be true I couldn't help but cheer.
I've been wanting to play as a pandaren ever since I heard of 'em (back in vanilla) and I know there's a truckload of people who feel the same way. Add on top of that the monk class which sounds pretty interesting and Blizzard wanting to give us more to do at endgame than just raid raid raid... well... let's just say my faith has been restored for the time being.
I'm a big ol' fluffy carewolf. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
Aniway, whatever the race they would have added, the same people would have complain for no good reason because they are just stupid. They mostly don't have on pandaren, but on wow. Jealous of the succes this game have and that other games sucks.
I would be very concerned if I was the CEO at Blizzard, when your having to tell ppl "It's not a joke, it's for real", because if your player base is having to question you on your big announcements validity then you know your not heading in the right direction.
Personally speaking it's just a game for me, sure lore is nice, but it's just fluff, I can't use it to smack my opponents brain out of his skull, or wear it as a nice new upgrade to my armour, it just adds an extra element to the game, a reason to why I'm having to work my way through mindless trash mobs in a dungeon to kill the big bad and get my fancy new epics.
However this expac screams out "Bottom of the barrel" to me.
Aniway, whatever the race they would have added, the same people would have complain for no good reason because they are just stupid. They mostly don't have on pandaren, but on wow. Jealous of the succes this game have and that other games sucks.
Sad, but true.
I'm getting the impression that most of the panda haters aren't even currently playing WoW. They're just jumping on the hating bandwagon thinking they're the cool kids in town.
I'm a big ol' fluffy carewolf. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
Aniway, whatever the race they would have added, the same people would have complain for no good reason because they are just stupid. They mostly don't have on pandaren, but on wow. Jealous of the succes this game have and that other games sucks.
Sad, but true.
As I stated in another thread:
"I honestly I don't care what Blizzard's motivation or rationalization for a Kung-Foo Pandra people centric expansion is.
All I know is that I feel that it crosses my personal limit of making the game far too immature and silly, and as such it will be the first WoW expansion I will not be coming back to the game for."
It has nothing to do stupidity, hating on WoW, or being jelous of WoW's success for a lot of people. It's simply not an appealing direction the game is going in the eyes of many.
Some people just have differing opinions on what they do and don't like, it's called preference. A large number of people do not prefer the concept of the Pandaren centric expansion, completely independent of their intellegence, being a "hater" or any jelousy. It really is just as simple as that.
Pandas as a race are OK by me. Just don't build your expansion around them. They didn't build expansions around worgens or gnomes and that's why they didn't get much flak over them.
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I'm going contrarian on this one assertion. They really might be effective. It's called diversity of choice. Using Allods for example and their race of gibberlings.
My impression of Allods art style is that it's more than a little similar to WoW, being low poly and cartoon like textures. Gibberlings in Allods are there to provide an avatar that matches the taste of the people who like that furry cuteness, and better yet you get three. There other character art was cartoonish, but not the extreme of these three.
One thing the other games you mentioned might not have is an option for a "cute funny furry" player character. I'm not likely to play one myself, and I think the whole expansion is risky, but it might work from a financial standpoint.
Assuming they can keep public image up which sounds like it will be a challenge, but eventually the fuss will blow over. Maybe.
Not to mention that GW2 already has cute child like race. Like it or not but races like these appeal to lots of people. TERA, FFXIV all have their version of cute races. Doesn't mean they are trying to target only to children. But to single outout WOW and hating it is the cool thign to do.
My guess is that cataclysm was luke warm at best and they realized that they need to go for a younger audience.
If you're a WoW player and you're like YAY PANDAS AND POKEMON... you've got issues. I'm not saying the game was some bastion of maturity.... they've been inching more and more towards a younger audience..
Instead of inching they've decided to polevault right over to the toddlers.
It's my opinion, but it's becoming more fact every year. It's sad.
and theres racoon ppl (in northrend somewhere)
and walrus ppl, also in northrend.
and mushroom spore ppl things .. in Zangarmarsh.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
Pandas, so fierce.
You are really reaching there Ceridith. However you are still arguing with yourself.
You are putting your own meaning behind my words. I did not state anyones' opinion is invalid. I stated that the game is aimed at youth. It does not mean you have to be young or immature to play it. Have you ever read the rating for WoW? You really should.
Again, because you want to keep arguing and "attacking", My OPINION (big letters for narrow mind) on this debate is about "perceived" maturity level. I don't care if you think it is mature or not, however, to say that a panda is any less mature than most things already in the game, seems very odd IMO (again for the clarity you lack).
I know the Pandas are hurting your WoW sensibilites, but please take your frustration out somewhere else. Maybe a panda plushie?
Other day Tera fan was complainig that Pandarians are childish. What about popori?
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Shallow runs deep in these forums.
I requested pandaren. Think about it, they are still bears, which can fuck you up, and now they know martial arts... fuck you up! Whether it used to be one of their jokes or not, who cares. Now its a real part of the game, and watch all these whiners keep playing too, Bet they will all swing around to pandaren sooner or later and be like WTF HELL YEAH.
So true. That thing may look even worse than the Panda.
Chris Metzen can make them as "ferocious" looking as they want and say its not a joke all he wants, but irregardless it still looks f-ing silly.
***Fires soiled plungers at Chris metzen!***
All my opinions are just that..opinions. If you like my opinions..coolness.If you dont like my opinion....I really dont care.
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They are also stupid and are the biggest single reason I dismissed this game early on.
If I wanted to play a Disney character, I'd play Pixie Hollow.
It is sure a joke, though it looks like Blizz played this one on themselves. The only question left is how much damage to the number of subscriptions and to the reputation of Blizz it has done already and will do in the future? People are right when saying WoW was catoonish already and we didn't like it, but still it was somethig reminding us (elder players) about old good times when we were teens and played 1st WC on our old PCs... and we hoped they would go for improvement with time... now they crossed the line. I am not buying it and I think Blizz had too much of our fame and money, so they stoped respecting us by releasing THIS in the age of space shutles and modern gaming. Oh... don't worry - I will still give Diablo 3 a shot... I hope it won't turn out that Diablo is now incarnated as a giant evil panda with his dark army of pokemons...
Because people decorate baby rooms in Pandas.
What's next? a Giraffe race?
SSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh! you're giving them ideas! Stop it!!!!
All my opinions are just that..opinions. If you like my opinions..coolness.If you dont like my opinion....I really dont care.
Playing: ESO, WOT, Smite, and Marvel Heroes
lol, this is rich....
"Hey captain I think I see an iceberg approaching!
Don't worry, man. This ship is unsinkable! We didn't name it Titanic for nothing!"
Lol, Koalas are amongst THE most dangerous mammals on the planet. Those cute cuddly teddy bears with lazy eyes will tear off your face in one swipe if given half a chance.
But I wouldn't make action heroes out of them unless I'm aiming at kids market.
I used to think these ways about wow and next thing i always heard was how Blizz is breaking all new subscription records. wtf?
Oh please. Ever heard of the Big Bad Wolf? The three little pigs? Do people not decorate baby rooms with cows or have cow spotted blankets? You're stretching things to fit your argument, and that says a lot about the validity of said argument.
Flying reindeer, "the greench," mohawk grenades, murloc costumes, cute little vanity pets, using fish as a weapon, collecting poop for quests, "Haris Pilton," /dance, tonka trucks, etc.
Tell me good sir, are Pandaren more kid-like than those? If so, I'd like to know where all the bias comes from. Give me a "confessions of a WoW hater" post or something. :P
Remember kids: Just because the bad man tries to give you candy doesn't mean you should jump on his bandwagon.
Sarcasm is not a crime!
Never saw this as a joke, not even when MoP was just a rumor. It seemed perfectly reasonable to me that MoP would be the next expansion and when it turned out to be true I couldn't help but cheer.
I've been wanting to play as a pandaren ever since I heard of 'em (back in vanilla) and I know there's a truckload of people who feel the same way. Add on top of that the monk class which sounds pretty interesting and Blizzard wanting to give us more to do at endgame than just raid raid raid... well... let's just say my faith has been restored for the time being.
I'm a big ol' fluffy carewolf. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
Metzen is bad ass.
It's true that Pandaren are no joke.
Aniway, whatever the race they would have added, the same people would have complain for no good reason because they are just stupid. They mostly don't have on pandaren, but on wow. Jealous of the succes this game have and that other games sucks.
Sad, but true.
I would be very concerned if I was the CEO at Blizzard, when your having to tell ppl "It's not a joke, it's for real", because if your player base is having to question you on your big announcements validity then you know your not heading in the right direction.
Personally speaking it's just a game for me, sure lore is nice, but it's just fluff, I can't use it to smack my opponents brain out of his skull, or wear it as a nice new upgrade to my armour, it just adds an extra element to the game, a reason to why I'm having to work my way through mindless trash mobs in a dungeon to kill the big bad and get my fancy new epics.
However this expac screams out "Bottom of the barrel" to me.
I'm getting the impression that most of the panda haters aren't even currently playing WoW. They're just jumping on the hating bandwagon thinking they're the cool kids in town.
I'm a big ol' fluffy carewolf. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
"gnarly"
As I stated in another thread:
"I honestly I don't care what Blizzard's motivation or rationalization for a Kung-Foo Pandra people centric expansion is.
All I know is that I feel that it crosses my personal limit of making the game far too immature and silly, and as such it will be the first WoW expansion I will not be coming back to the game for."
It has nothing to do stupidity, hating on WoW, or being jelous of WoW's success for a lot of people. It's simply not an appealing direction the game is going in the eyes of many.
Some people just have differing opinions on what they do and don't like, it's called preference. A large number of people do not prefer the concept of the Pandaren centric expansion, completely independent of their intellegence, being a "hater" or any jelousy. It really is just as simple as that.
Pandas as a race are OK by me. Just don't build your expansion around them. They didn't build expansions around worgens or gnomes and that's why they didn't get much flak over them.