Thanks for cherry picking my comments and completely ignoring the rest of my argument. The half assed port comment was about the console gaming industry as a whole, not just one company. It also was in rebuttle to that posters stance that consoles were the better choice due to security and game quality, and that we paying PC customers should be happy with what we get. Which, as I think I clearly pointed out, is a rubbish argument. And I also think I was very clear on my reasons for thinking so. But you seem to have chosen to ignore all that. And please quit focusing on just my comments about the UI. While the wonky UI is the biggest fun detractor for me, my continuing discussion about this title goes far deeper than just one issue.
Also, please point out anywhere in these forums where I've stated that Skyrim was anything but an excellent game.
As to the rest of your argument, I really don't know where to start. This company makes games, this company sells games, they sell them on two seperate platforms (three if you want to be pedantic). They sell them for full retail price and make a f**King mint off both groups of customers. Yet becuase building a PC game takes them more effort, we paying PC customers are treated like red-headed step children. Well sorry but a company that wants my money is going to have to prove to me they deserve and want my business before I give it to them. Expecting me to be happy that a company wants me to pay the same price for a game that was tailored with another group of customers in mind, and even going so far as to publicly complain that making games for we PC peasents is "Oh so hard on we poor, very rich, soon to be richer, souls" is patently ridiculous.
As a matter of fact I actually do know the kind of effort that goes into making these kinds of games, other kinds of software as well. What does that have to do with the price of fish? This (and all the other dual platform companies) make games for a living. That's what they do. More importantly they then sell these games for a living. If one demogrpahic (in this case PC gammers) of their consumers allows them to turn a profit (which they still do, and which is quite a large one) then they most certainly aren't a burden. If they don't consider that group worth treating like cherished, or at least wanted customers then they really should stop asking them for their money and support. If they ask an equitable price, then I demand equitable treatment. I'm a bit baffled why some of you feel this is such a crime.
As for the construction kit being offered, yeah that is great. Its also a great thing for Bethesda as it allows a work force they don't actually pay to extend the life of their game (and therefor the sales of said game) far beyond its normal life span. Try doing that on a console. Also I think the misconception that it would take too much effort to create a PC friendly interface will get shot down by the speed with which a hobbiest modder creates their own once the contruction kit is out.
People like yourself, my previously quoted poster and Pony (always remember rule one Pony), may be willing to settle for being treated like an unwelcome and uninvited guest by these companies, but I'm not.
Also last time I checked, sales numbers for Skyrim were running at over 3.4 million units. 59% on the Xbox, 27% on the PS3 and only 14% on PC. However these sales numbers are hard copy units only, they don't include digital sales at all, which is the prefered purchase method of many PC gamers these days. Once more numbers are in I think we will see that the PC will easily beat the PS3 numbers and be not too far behind the Xbox in sales. Plus from the past performance of both Morrowind and Oblivion, I'm willing to bet that full retail price sales of Skyrim for the PC will continue at a much higher volume, for far longer than on either console. Sadly though we will have to wait and see. And even more sadly if my predictions turn out to be correct, I'm still wiling to be these companies will still whinge on about what resource draining dicks we PC gamers are.
I was asking for a clarification of how Skyrim fits into your "don't be screwed by the man" rant that I snipped out.
It's no big secret that gaming has been shifting away from the PC market for a while now. Many staples of the medium have all but vanished over the last decade. Those that are left have been dumbed down in large part in a feeble attempt to grow the market, which in some regards it has, but with every casual they bring in, they turn 5 purists away, if forum trends are to be believed.
The biggest factor here is the fact that PC exclusive companies are few and far between, that number seemingly shrinks daily to, as more and more companies dissolve and their employees move to where the jobs are, which is sadly the console or social areas of the market.
The Elder Scrolls series hasn't been developed with PC in mind since before Morrowind, yet Beth has still went out of their way to cater to the wants of the PC market, by allowing them to shape the game in anyway they want. There are very few companies you can say that about. Most ignore the PC market and really don't give a hoot how their ports are received, as most of the time the port comes months later with little in the way of continued support. Rockstar is a good AAA example to use here.
Anyway I really don't know what this topic has to do with Skyrim impressions which is why i avoided the rest of your post to begin with.
I'll say it upfront as I really don't care if it makes me a fanboi, I'll defend Beth to an extreme, they're one of the few companies out there that go out of their way to make deep meaningful games, that can entertain for months to years without some Mp tack on to promote regurgitated longevity.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Thanks for cherry picking my comments and completely ignoring the rest of my argument. The half assed port comment was about the console gaming industry as a whole, not just one company. It also was in rebuttle to that posters stance that consoles were the better choice due to security and game quality, and that we paying PC customers should be happy with what we get. Which, as I think I clearly pointed out, is a rubbish argument. And I also think I was very clear on my reasons for thinking so. But you seem to have chosen to ignore all that. And please quit focusing on just my comments about the UI. While the wonky UI is the biggest fun detractor for me, my continuing discussion about this title goes far deeper than just one issue.
Also, please point out anywhere in these forums where I've stated that Skyrim was anything but an excellent game.
As to the rest of your argument, I really don't know where to start. This company makes games, this company sells games, they sell them on two seperate platforms (three if you want to be pedantic). They sell them for full retail price and make a f**King mint off both groups of customers. Yet becuase building a PC game takes them more effort, we paying PC customers are treated like red-headed step children. Well sorry but a company that wants my money is going to have to prove to me they deserve and want my business before I give it to them. Expecting me to be happy that a company wants me to pay the same price for a game that was tailored with another group of customers in mind, and even going so far as to publicly complain that making games for we PC peasents is "Oh so hard on we poor, very rich, soon to be richer, souls" is patently ridiculous.
As a matter of fact I actually do know the kind of effort that goes into making these kinds of games, other kinds of software as well. What does that have to do with the price of fish? This (and all the other dual platform companies) make games for a living. That's what they do. More importantly they then sell these games for a living. If one demogrpahic (in this case PC gammers) of their consumers allows them to turn a profit (which they still do, and which is quite a large one) then they most certainly aren't a burden. If they don't consider that group worth treating like cherished, or at least wanted customers then they really should stop asking them for their money and support. If they ask an equitable price, then I demand equitable treatment. I'm a bit baffled why some of you feel this is such a crime.
As for the construction kit being offered, yeah that is great. Its also a great thing for Bethesda as it allows a work force they don't actually pay to extend the life of their game (and therefor the sales of said game) far beyond its normal life span. Try doing that on a console. Also I think the misconception that it would take too much effort to create a PC friendly interface will get shot down by the speed with which a hobbiest modder creates their own once the contruction kit is out.
People like yourself, my previously quoted poster and Pony (always remember rule one Pony), may be willing to settle for being treated like an unwelcome and uninvited guest by these companies, but I'm not.
Also last time I checked, sales numbers for Skyrim were running at over 3.4 million units. 59% on the Xbox, 27% on the PS3 and only 14% on PC. However these sales numbers are hard copy units only, they don't include digital sales at all, which is the prefered purchase method of many PC gamers these days. Once more numbers are in I think we will see that the PC will easily beat the PS3 numbers and be not too far behind the Xbox in sales. Plus from the past performance of both Morrowind and Oblivion, I'm willing to bet that full retail price sales of Skyrim for the PC will continue at a much higher volume, for far longer than on either console. Sadly though we will have to wait and see. And even more sadly if my predictions turn out to be correct, I'm still wiling to be these companies will still whinge on about what resource draining dicks we PC gamers are.
I was asking for a clarification of how Skyrim fits into your "don't be screwed by the man" rant that I snipped out.
It's no big secret that gaming has been shifting away from the PC market for a while now. Many staples of the medium have all but vanished over the last decade. Those that are left have been dumbed down in large part in a feeble attempt to grow the market, which in some regards it has, but with every casual they bring in, they turn 5 purists away, if forum trends are to be believed.
The biggest factor here is the fact that PC exclusive companies are few and far between, that number seemingly shrinks daily to, as more and more companies dissolve and their employees move to where the jobs are, which is sadly the console or social areas of the market.
The Elder Scrolls series hasn't been developed with PC in mind since before Morrowind, yet Beth has still went out of their way to cater to the wants of the PC market, by allowing them to shape the game in anyway they want. There are very few companies you can say that about. Most ignore the PC market and really don't give a hoot how their ports are received, as most of the time the port comes months later with little in the way of continued support. Rockstar is a good AAA example to use here.
Anyway I really don't know what this topic has to do with Skyrim impressions which is why i avoided the rest of your post to begin with.
I'll say it upfront as I really don't care if it makes me a fanboi, I'll defend Beth to an extreme, they're one of the few companies out there that go out of their way to make deep meaningful games, that can entertain for months to years without some Mp tack on to promote regurgitated longevity.
Actually I'd have to write that you're being a bit naive if you think Skyrim is the "perfect" sandbox RPG. It has a lot of scripted stufff, both main quest and side stuff. They haven't gone the next step to try and make the game AI generate sandbox. Yes, there are RNG quests, but it does feel feel like RNG quests. It will play like a console game no matter what you play the game on, and the graphics playing with PS3 are very good on large LCD TV.
Thank you Bethesda for bring back dungeon crawling!!!!!
THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This game allows me to immerse myself completely in a different world. I love the dungeons and spend all my time searching out every nook and cranny. They are beautifully crafted and I stand there in complete amazement sometimes. I love the traps. It is the first time I feel that DnD has been brought to life in a video game...well almost....
While the graphics are amazing the questing and "open world" is bleh. I don't want the ability to travel to different cities for different quests at different times. I want to know that next city coming up is next objective and I'm done with this stink hole I'm at currently.
My friend bought it, I played it for about an hour while he played with his kid and I certainly won't be buying it.
I have the PS3 version and since patch it has locked up more frequnetly and now I am stuck on the civil war questline because the Falkreath Stormcloak camp vanished.
Originally posted by Siveria The game isin't bad, but it has alot of glaring issues, the controls quite frankly are horrible, and having to unequip my offhand item to cast a spell is extremly aggravating, It'd not be so bad if I could block with my sword while having a spell redied but for some reason you can't. Bethesda also has cut alot of corners with the game, especally in the alchemy sections, Remember how morrowind and oblivion had some neat looking alch plants pretty much anywhere you go? well in Skyrim they are fairly non-existant, I've been over a med sized part of the map and all i ever see is the exact same plants and never anything new. Other than the controls and the flora its a damn fine game, land is a little bit boring though its sort of bland on the world map. But the dungeons and such are nice.
They are tons of alchemy materials, plants are just a part of it, also you have different type of plants depending on the region you are in.
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I was asking for a clarification of how Skyrim fits into your "don't be screwed by the man" rant that I snipped out.
It's no big secret that gaming has been shifting away from the PC market for a while now. Many staples of the medium have all but vanished over the last decade. Those that are left have been dumbed down in large part in a feeble attempt to grow the market, which in some regards it has, but with every casual they bring in, they turn 5 purists away, if forum trends are to be believed.
The biggest factor here is the fact that PC exclusive companies are few and far between, that number seemingly shrinks daily to, as more and more companies dissolve and their employees move to where the jobs are, which is sadly the console or social areas of the market.
The Elder Scrolls series hasn't been developed with PC in mind since before Morrowind, yet Beth has still went out of their way to cater to the wants of the PC market, by allowing them to shape the game in anyway they want. There are very few companies you can say that about. Most ignore the PC market and really don't give a hoot how their ports are received, as most of the time the port comes months later with little in the way of continued support. Rockstar is a good AAA example to use here.
Anyway I really don't know what this topic has to do with Skyrim impressions which is why i avoided the rest of your post to begin with.
I'll say it upfront as I really don't care if it makes me a fanboi, I'll defend Beth to an extreme, they're one of the few companies out there that go out of their way to make deep meaningful games, that can entertain for months to years without some Mp tack on to promote regurgitated longevity.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Actually I'd have to write that you're being a bit naive if you think Skyrim is the "perfect" sandbox RPG. It has a lot of scripted stufff, both main quest and side stuff. They haven't gone the next step to try and make the game AI generate sandbox. Yes, there are RNG quests, but it does feel feel like RNG quests. It will play like a console game no matter what you play the game on, and the graphics playing with PS3 are very good on large LCD TV.
THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This game allows me to immerse myself completely in a different world. I love the dungeons and spend all my time searching out every nook and cranny. They are beautifully crafted and I stand there in complete amazement sometimes. I love the traps. It is the first time I feel that DnD has been brought to life in a video game...well almost....
really?
you want quest hubs designed like mmos?
for shame.....
I have the PS3 version and since patch it has locked up more frequnetly and now I am stuck on the civil war questline because the Falkreath Stormcloak camp vanished.
They are tons of alchemy materials, plants are just a part of it, also you have different type of plants depending on the region you are in.