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  • DarkPonyDarkPony Member Posts: 5,566

    Originally posted by Unlight

    Originally posted by Requiamer

     

    Tdlr the people complaining about the UI have no clue what they are talking about. Also the tab is used for the esc key to go out of the menu, just like i pointed, look at your keyboard and see where those keys are. Ye tab is just a key away from swad, esc is way up there where you need to stretch your finger to access it and most probably would have to loos contact with your swad key. So people before complaining at least try to understand why they did that that way.

    The game is just awesome, look great, combat is superior to any other rpg.  Now i have to go play, sorry guys....

    Too many people, including the ones that are shamelessly gushing about the game, claim that the UI was optimized for consoles not for PCs.  They generally close with something like, "...but after a while I learned to deal with it".  That tells me that you need to adapt to a system that wasn't well made to start with, but not so bad as to make the game unplayable.  A good UI lets you slide right into it within a few minutes, with little or no headscratching.

    Nothing breaks a game faster for me than a poor interface, which nearly all console ports share.  I'm still going to wait for a decent mod to fix that up before I try the game so I don't start off playing it with a sour taste in my mouth.  I'd hate to have an otherwise good experience ruined due to a goofy interface.  I suspect that I'll still be able to buy the game a few weeks or months from now when many of the other rough edges have also been smoothed over by a dedicated modding community.  Maybe it will even be a Christmas present to myself.

     


     

    Hehe, you are much too harsh on the UI, seriously. It was a concern of me too before I bought it but you get used to it soon enough. It's nowhere near as complex to master as games like EVE or X-universe, or  FF games and its quirks are minor, at least when you don't start remapping keys I suppose).

    Saying that all games should let you master the UI in just a few minutes is pretty weird to hear from anyone with extensive gaming experience.

    You just need to learn what some keys do.

    Like I said before: maybe the UI is not perfect but using it as an excuse to not play it at this time, would be declining going out with Kate Perry because she doesn't wear clean socks.

  • teakboisteakbois Member Posts: 2,154

    This game would absolutely rock as a MMORPG 

    It would be the ideal sandbox (despite the fact it has a leveling system).

    The possibilities are endless.   Player thieves would be an issue of course.  Do you buy a house in a town that forces you to pay taxes, but offers you protection against thieves?  Or do you build it out in the wild, set traps, and hope for the best?  Or maybe you hire bodyguards to protect your house.

     

    Maybe you can get an oppurtunity to 'brand' your gear.  SO if a thief does steal it, and he gets seen my a guard, hell be arrested and your stuff will be returned to you (you are friendly with the imperials right?  If not, good luck getting that gear back after all)

     

    Of course the PvP aspects like that would have to be carefull thought out with appropraite (HARSH) penalties for doing so and the focus be more cooperative.  But a foundation like this has endless possibilities

  • HiromantHiromant Member UncommonPosts: 99

    Originally posted by Joshua69

    Originally posted by Alalala

    No mention of pandas, so I'll give it a try and reward this publisher my money.

     

    Panda's are awesome 

    Unnecessary apostrophes are not.

  • PNM_JenningsPNM_Jennings Member UncommonPosts: 1,093

    Originally posted by s4nder

    Originally posted by Joshua69


    Originally posted by Alalala

    No mention of pandas, so I'll give it a try and reward this publisher my money.

     

    Panda's are awesome 

    Unnecessary apostrophes are not.

    i' love' a'pos'tro'phes' so' much'

  • gaeanprayergaeanprayer Member UncommonPosts: 2,341

    *looks at the date*....*looks at his steam profile* 40 hours played...

     

    Sleep, I should have some...eventually...

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  • KhrymsonKhrymson Member UncommonPosts: 3,090

    Originally posted by Jimmy562

    Originally posted by Z3R01

    However, due to this system Bethesda got rid of the respawning dungeon enemies that would repopulated dungeons three in game days after you cleared them. So now a dungeon will stay empty forever.

    Not true. Most dungeons repopulate.

     

    Or if you're playing it on PC, just use this respawning mod that will reset the mobs in every cell in as little as every 1 game day!  Its nice to always have mobs everywhere you go, and if not there, just wait a few days to make them respawn.

     

    Ah the power of Mods...

  • TardcoreTardcore Member Posts: 2,325



    Originally posted by DarkPony








    Originally posted by Unlight














    Originally posted by Requiamer











     





    Tdlr the people complaining about the UI have no clue what they are talking about. Also the tab is used for the esc key to go out of the menu, just like i pointed, look at your keyboard and see where those keys are. Ye tab is just a key away from swad, esc is way up there where you need to stretch your finger to access it and most probably would have to loos contact with your swad key. So people before complaining at least try to understand why they did that that way.







    The game is just awesome, look great, combat is superior to any other rpg.  Now i have to go play, sorry guys....





    Too many people, including the ones that are shamelessly gushing about the game, claim that the UI was optimized for consoles not for PCs.  They generally close with something like, "...but after a while I learned to deal with it".  That tells me that you need to adapt to a system that wasn't well made to start with, but not so bad as to make the game unplayable.  A good UI lets you slide right into it within a few minutes, with little or no headscratching.





    Nothing breaks a game faster for me than a poor interface, which nearly all console ports share.  I'm still going to wait for a decent mod to fix that up before I try the game so I don't start off playing it with a sour taste in my mouth.  I'd hate to have an otherwise good experience ruined due to a goofy interface.  I suspect that I'll still be able to buy the game a few weeks or months from now when many of the other rough edges have also been smoothed over by a dedicated modding community.  Maybe it will even be a Christmas present to myself.





     














     





    Hehe, you are much too harsh on the UI, seriously. It was a concern of me too before I bought it but you get used to it soon enough. It's nowhere near as complex to master as games like EVE or X-universe, or  FF games and its quirks are minor, at least when you don't start remapping keys I suppose).





    Saying that all games should let you master the UI in just a few minutes is pretty weird to hear from anyone with extensive gaming experience.





    You just need to learn what some keys do.





    Like I said before: maybe the UI is not perfect but using it as an excuse to not play it at this time, would be declining going out with Kate Perry because she doesn't wear clean socks.










     

    I actually have to disagree with you here, Pony. To me the UI is more akin to not going out with Katy Perry because she had her eyes in her feet, her teeth in her nose, her breasts on her knees, two left arms, one leg backwards so could only walk in a circle, and her lady bits in her ear. Oh and every time you tried to get friendly with her she, as an act of endearment, kicked you in the naddgers.

     

    Not a pretty picture, nor synonymous with symmetry or style.

     

    You may be willing to put up with a wonky interface in order to enjoy what would otherwise be an excellent game. To some of us though it is like being forced to eat a gourmet meal with chopsticks carved from turds.

     

    Once the fanbase mods a more user friendly interface I'll most likely buy the game, if something else isn't clamoring for my attention by then. Until then it is MY decsion whether or not to reward a company that doesn't seem to see me as an important enough customer to cater to. And frankly I feel companies would stop this kind of happy horse shit if customers would put their foot down and demand a change with their wallets instead of just diving on every new title like some slavering, starving zombie after the next skull full of brains.



     

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  • TerranahTerranah Member UncommonPosts: 3,575

    15 hours in now.  Haven't had a crash since the first day when i was messing around with the graphical settings.  I just settled on high and left it alone.  It could look a little better...I think it's some of the textures.  I would rather have smooth gameplay without slow downs though, so I'm keeping it on high.

     

    So far....this game is soooo awesome. 

     

    Some criticisms though.  Like so many have said, UI is not the greatest on PC.  It would be nice if I could bind some of my powers to my G keys on my logitec gaming keyboard.  I need to play around with that more.

     

    Inventory is killing me.  I need more!  I hate to do this but does anyone know off hand of a console command for this.  As it is I am spending a lot of time on inventory and trying to manage it.  I have converted a keep I cleared into a temporary home till I can buy one.  Been storing things in there...hopefully it all doesn't just disappear.

  • TerranahTerranah Member UncommonPosts: 3,575

    woops, I just read if you use console commands it disables achievments.  I don't want to do that.

  • KhrymsonKhrymson Member UncommonPosts: 3,090

    Originally posted by Terranah

    Inventory is killing me.  I need more!  I hate to do this but does anyone know off hand of a console command for this.  As it is I am spending a lot of time on inventory and trying to manage it.  I have converted a keep I cleared into a temporary home till I can buy one.  Been storing things in there...hopefully it all doesn't just disappear.

    There is a mod that supposedly increasing your encumbrance by 500 with each lvl of Stamina chosen, but reading through the comments suggests its kinda buggy.  I also read there is an item in-game somewhere that increases your carry weight by 1000lbs, but I forget if it was said what/where it is!

    Also I do believe in one of the perk trees, forget which atm, but about 1/2 way up is a beefy increase to your encumbrance.

     

    Personally I like the encumbrance threshold being kinda low, requiring me to be choosy in what I can keep in dungeon adventures.  You can always go back and pick up more later... 

  • KhrymsonKhrymson Member UncommonPosts: 3,090

    Originally posted by Terranah

    woops, I just read if you use console commands it disables achievments.  I don't want to do that.

     

    Guess it depends on which ones, as I use the "Field of View" command  FOV 85, to expand my view each session and I'm still earnign achievements.  If its  a blatant cheat though, then ya I could see that effects achievements, and I wouldn't use those to begin with.

     

    Hopefully the Creation Kit will be out sooner than later and much better mods will get released.  Granted though, what has been released is not bad thus far!

  • MortoriousMortorious Member UncommonPosts: 166

    Originally posted by Terranah

    woops, I just read if you use console commands it disables achievments.  I don't want to do that.

    Buy house its help alot:) 

    Currently playing: Elder Scrolls Online
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  • TerranahTerranah Member UncommonPosts: 3,575

    One other thing I noticed.  I guess it doesn't bother me but it does stand out a bit.  My male nord is a big beefy bearded guy.  But his voice when he grunts sounds very...youthful.

     

    His dragon shout is ok....just the grunts and noises he makes sound very young....like 14, lol.  Is there a setting or something in character creation that I missed which changes the grunts your character makes?  Or I wonder if the age slider does this...I did have the youthful slider turned all the way toward the young side because I didn't like the wrinkles.

  • TerranahTerranah Member UncommonPosts: 3,575

    Originally posted by Qtar

    Originally posted by Terranah

    woops, I just read if you use console commands it disables achievments.  I don't want to do that.

    Buy house its help alot:) 

    Yeah I found a guy that sells a house, but he's asking 5k.  I'm at the 3k mark at the moment.  It's on my list though!  Can't wait.

     

    And completely unrelated, but I love my traveling companion.  I was giving her stuff to store for me and then realized...hey she's wearing it!  

  • KhrymsonKhrymson Member UncommonPosts: 3,090

     

    No deeper grunt noises that I know of, but I play a female and never checked the male options in-depth, however, you can be sure there will be a custom mod aimed directly at this eventually.

  • BergirBergir Member Posts: 299

    Can you say worth the wait, Bethesda completely out did themselves with V.

  • QSatuQSatu Member UncommonPosts: 1,796

    Everyone go Here:http://forums.bethsoft.com/index.php?/topic/1257566-potential-shadow-fix/

    And FIX SHADOWS. So far shadpows in scyrim were incredibly pixelated. With those seeting they are very nice and smooth. no more flickering etc. turn off tree shadows and land shadows (intead of 1 write 0) if your pc isn;t that good since you pump shadows maps to ultra with those changes.

  • causscauss Member UncommonPosts: 666

    I played it for around 20 hours now.

    There are some bugs, but holy macaroni, WHAT A GAME. I don't even care about the negative points in the game anymore. It is just that brilliant for me. This is the game of the year. By far.

  • DarkPonyDarkPony Member Posts: 5,566

    Originally posted by Tardcore



    I actually have to disagree with you here, Pony. To me the UI is more akin to not going out with Katy Perry because she had her eyes in her feet, her teeth in her nose, her breasts on her knees, two left arms, one leg backwards so could only walk in a circle, and her lady bits in her ear. Oh and every time you tried to get friendly with her she, as an act of endearment, kicked you in the naddgers.





    Not a pretty picture, nor synonymous with symmetry or style.



    You may be willing to put up with a wonky interface in order to enjoy what would otherwise be an excellent game. To some of us though it is like being forced to eat a gourmet meal with chopsticks carved from turds.





    Once the fanbase mods a more user friendly interface I'll most likely buy the game, if something else isn't clamoring for my attention by then. Until then it is MY decsion whether or not to reward a company that doesn't seem to see me as an important enough customer to cater to. And frankly I feel companies would stop this kind of happy horse shit if customers would put their foot down and demand a change with their wallets instead of just diving on every new title like some slavering, starving zombie after the next skull full of brains.


     

    Well, how long did you actually get to play the game so far, TC?

    And would that be a long enough time to get used to a new UI in your opinion?

    It's only partly bad design, there's also a learning curve, and some adjustment time involved to hardwire efficient use.

    After getting used to it (how to hotkey spells, pots and gear, use tab instead of escape, using wasd and E and R for navigating the UI etc) I have not many qualms with it; it only becomes really annoying when you use the mouse instead of full keyboard control.

    But you are right in saying that it SHOULD have been optimized for pc users and its a rightful point of complaints. So far it didn't stop me from having a blast though. I'll just hope they come with an official patch to improve it rather than rely on the modding community.

     

  • waynejr2waynejr2 Member EpicPosts: 7,771

    Originally posted by Teala

    Originally posted by Sovrath

    Originally posted by Teala

    I am so loving this game...just wish I new where my screen captures could be found.   :(

    Here ya go!

    Steam, steamapps, common, skyrim

    Ha!  Thanks - got it!

    Here is a pic of Kahvi Two Arrows on her dapple grey!

     

    BTW just so you know - this picture was taken in game before she faught a brigand.   The arrows are gone now.   Name stuck though!  :)

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  • SupersoupsSupersoups Member Posts: 1,004

    Originally posted by Terranah

    Originally posted by Qtar


    Originally posted by Terranah

    woops, I just read if you use console commands it disables achievments.  I don't want to do that.

    Buy house its help alot:) 

    Yeah I found a guy that sells a house, but he's asking 5k.  I'm at the 3k mark at the moment.  It's on my list though!  Can't wait.

     

    And completely unrelated, but I love my traveling companion.  I was giving her stuff to store for me and then realized...hey she's wearing it!  

    I was 1K short and couldn't wait anymore so i used cheat code to get rest of the money. I really needed a house to store items. ;p

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  • Deathstrike2Deathstrike2 Member UncommonPosts: 1,777

    MMO Companies - Take notice.  This is what your games are missing:

    Huge world

    Lots to do - not just a series of predictable quest hubs

    A REAL sense of exploration

     

    I've had more fun the last 2 days playing Skyrim than I've had in the last 2 years playing MMOs - That includes betas.  Seriously, Devs need to play this game and get a clue.  This is the foundation that MMOs should be built on.

  • KalferKalfer Member Posts: 779

    I won't say that Skyrim is perfect. I only have just dabbled with Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Guild, and I don't know how far I am in the main storyline, but I have gotten pretty far with the Empire, and killed 10 or so Dragons, and unlocked 7-9 shouts. My impressions after 20 hours of playing as a Heavy Armor, Two-Handed, Archer Nord; 

     

     

    I think this is(so far) the best offering by Bethesda ever.

     

    a) Bethesda can not compare in voice acting, dialogue and characters to Dragon Age and The Witcher. Those series have problems too, but I think in the story area, I am more impressed by those.

    Inherently some of the Oblivion problems with Radiant remains - Your listening to a NPC with a fixed camera and two other NPCs who walk into you overlap in their speaking. Many character share the same voice actor, and others have multiple voices for one character. The writing itself is not impressive but good enough to make you care that much about them. 

    Ulfric is not a great central character. His VO is decent, but he is a far cry from the excellence of Letho(Witcher 2) and those cool guys with horns in the first part of Dragon Age 2(the first arc with the Qunari.. the part that was interesting storywise)! At least so far, but it will be interesting to see the conclusion in Skyrim.

    It's leaps and bounds above what Elder Scrolls have achieved in the past though, and overall it's by no means bad, nor is story as central as it is in DA and Witcher. Elder Scrolls have always been Exploration > Story, were the other two are perhaps more restricted but with more story dynamics.

     

     

     

    b) The combat is really solid. It's fluid, and while not perfect I am very happy with what they achieved here. I do think that it would have been cooler if you had just gotten a new Shout every time you killed a Dragon. I find it weird that the ancient Dragon Tounge would be on tablets in all sorts of caves and ruins. Combat still has ways to go, but in Morrowind and Oblivion it was outright.. bad. Since Oblivion we've had games like MnB: Warband and Dark Messiah, and Bioshock. Games that took a different solid stance on first person melee fighting. 

     

     

     

    c) The setting. People will say that graphics don't make a difference, but I disagree. Like good audio, good visuals is immense. This game was created to be played at ultra, and half of the fun is just seeing all the locations with all the different weather patterns. Slow rain, fog in the mountains, the uber amazing northern lights, intense snow storms, clear stary nights, himmilayan-ish summer. For a "winter themed" RPG the diversity in Skyrim is immense.

     

    As I am playing I only find myself wishing for one thing: An expansion that takes us back to Morrowind. I wouldn't mind paying 60 bucks for a full featured game with same features and concepts from Skyrim, just with a new story and setting back in Morrowind. To imagine the world of Morrowind with Skyrims graphic. Morrowind is one of the most iconic fantasy worlds I have ever seen. It's red Volcanic island world had it all. Oblivion's Cyrodill(spelling?) was boring in comparison.

     

     

     

    d) Skyrim does crafting better than a lot of MMORPGs, just because of the well done visual ques. I really like how you can improve your sword by just getting one piece of Metal ignot. 

    Or how(like other Elder Scrolls games) how different merchants give different prices. A baker won't buy your orc weapons you collected on the war path, but I might buy the cheese. 

     

     

     

    e) I find there to be a lot of over reactions in terms of UI and controls. Controls are pretty good to me, and I am K/M. UI.. I guess a hot swap menu that was better than Q for my most used things would have been cool, but no biggie. 

     

     

    f) I think every game should do camera angles as well as SKyrim does. I change between first, over the shoulder and full third person view ALL the time. I LOVE THIS. I love how I am in control of my character by changing the perspective. Getting new armor gives me gratification because I can control my character well from fighting in third person, but I can also admire the close up action for variaty in first person. 

    Many games should give us this option to mix it up!

  • TealaTeala Member RarePosts: 7,627

    Originally posted by Deathstrike2

    MMO Companies - Take notice.  This is what your games are missing:

    Huge world

    Lots to do - not just a series of predictable quest hubs

    A REAL sense of exploration

     

    I've had more fun the last 2 days playing Skyrim than I've had in the last 2 years playing MMOs - That includes betas.  Seriously, Devs need to play this game and get a clue.  This is the foundation that MMOs should be built on.

    This is exactly my impression.   In the last two days of playing I feel as though I am actually playing an adventure RPG, something most MMORPG's have lost.    I do not want to hear that this type of game play, atmosphere and world cannot be duplicated in an MMORPG - that is just ludaris.    All they have to do is do what these people did(very similar to the game Mount and Blade) and give us a world filled with adventure(some of our own making mind you) and let us explore, adventure and make the fun ourselves.   Games like this are the diamonds amongst the costume jewelry that is flaunted by most game makers.   Cherish this one - for it is a rare gem.   :)

  • TealaTeala Member RarePosts: 7,627

    BTW I am making a wish list for this game.    Things I wish to see added.   It'll be like putting more nommy stuff onto your bananna split!   They are not needed, but they sure do make the whole dish better. :)

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