I see these types of comments all over this forum. People use these words like "creativity" or "design" to talk negatively about something, but the meaning of it is so vague.
Please explain to me, how the animations in TOR lack creativity? or that they forgot design? How can you forget design in an animation? It seems like a negative statement of empty air. It sounds smart when you say it, but it actually does not mean anything.
As someone whose main was a TKM / Pikeman, let me tell you something - The animations in SWG were ruined once you started running. Doing UA3 while chasing someone looked like something out of dragon ball. Further more, they looked nothing like SWG.
I get it. They are both mo-cap, and they could have done it differently, but the animations are very smooth in TOR from what I have seen.
The self heal of the Imperial Agent, or attacks of the Guardian, or running animation with ignited lightsaber for the Consular are too me very impressive. I do hold SWG in high regards because it was a visual marvel, but also technical mess. Animation wise, it was top dog for many years. Particularly for it's creatures. But by no means was it perfect, or 1000 times better than TOR. I don't see this comparison at all. The expressive different in art style, makes TORs hyper realism being completely different. It's much more expressive and elaborate, like TF2 is contra HL2. You have more exgaggerated animations, but not to the point of WoW.
I'm not an expert on animation but this seems like a silly debate to me.
Edit: I loved TKM so damn much. One of the best classes I've ever played in a game. I really held this one in extremely high regard. I wonder if WoW's Monk will feel like this? I doubt it, unfortunately. And I don't expect TOR to indulge itself in Teras Kasi either. Shame!
It's not something that can be put in terms of raw data, such as polygon counts, or frames per second. Like all art, people have different ways of trying to explain, but really, there's no known scientific explanation for why one painting might look boring, and another exciting, or why one person might see it that way, while another does not.
Game design is no different. That doesn't make it meaningless or empty, just because it's so subjective. To me, good graphics are more about artistic style and less about technology, but that means I can't lay it out in technological terms - terms which can be much more meaningless, because technology alone doesn't make for a beautiful game.
So IMHO, those are some very bland animations. For comparison, we don't need to look any further than their own cinematics, which appear to be done by much more talented artists. It is just my opinion, though, and if you want to consider it meaningless because of that, so be it...
I don't want to dimiss your opinion, Vhain, cause you do appear to have some knowledge on the subject; however, it's hard to take you seriously with the comparison to Blur's cinematics. And I know you know what I mean there.
I think you will admit the animations are at least stylisitcally consistent within the game's aesthetic; Bioware has, imo, been thoroughly impressive in that regard. But you don't like TOR's aesthetic, I know. That's cool, but I think much of the TOR bashing here is pure nitpicking (with of course a dash of truth here and there).
To the OP: great work on this and your other videos of SWTOR.
Man, I loved TKM so much! Thanks for posting! So where did all that development money in SWTOR go again?
Lol, one of the best thing about swtor are the animations and reactive combat, and it get better after lv 20 when you learn more skills. After playing wow, rift, aion, war, AoC, Daoc, Lotro, gw, sto, DCO, swg and more, by far swtor have the best combat animations that i saw in a MMO.
Wow you must be full of BS. Aion has by far the best combat animations from every MMO Ive played and you listed there oO.
SWTOR has some good animations but also VERY BAD animations. Alot of animations are stiff and boring, ever played a Inquistor past lvl10 ? Show me the healing skills and the dot animation which is none lol and tell me again they are great. Show me running while you have a speed buff and jumping, it doesnt look very good. Yes force leap and some other animations are great but alot of others are very bad.
Can´t understand this myself, with some animations they did such a great job and others look so crap its unbelievable.
I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his lot by all possible means - except by getting off his back.
Again and again these videos show me to avoid this like a plague. Not only looks game very boring and dull all npcs are waxmuseum statues. And rediculous moves in this video ughh looks terible. I would not play this even for free.
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I don't want to dimiss your opinion, Vhain, cause you do appear to have some knowledge on the subject; however, it's hard to take you seriously with the comparison to Blur's cinematics. And I know you know what I mean there.
I think you will admit the animations are at least stylisitcally consistent within the game's aesthetic; Bioware has, imo, been thoroughly impressive in that regard. But you don't like TOR's aesthetic, I know. That's cool, but I think much of the TOR bashing here is pure nitpicking (with of course a dash of truth here and there).
To the OP: great work on this and your other videos of SWTOR.
I'm guessing you mean that since it's a cinematic, of course it's better? From a technical standpoint, yes, but I was referring more to the style of the animations, not how fluid or lifelike they are. I was also trying to use an example that people couldn't shoot down as not fitting with thier idea of what would look Star Warsy.
Other people mention Aion and Blade&Soul, and I could agree with them, too. I think the type of flare in those games would fit the Star Wars universe pretty well. A very simple example of how the animations seem a bit weak could be the way the offhand lightsaber is never inverted. These are supposed to be Jedi with extreme levels of agility, but they never even switch grip, or anything cool looking like that. It's just so much standing there flat-footed, wacking away with both sabers foward, and too me, just doesn't look anywhere near as impressive as it should.
I think if I liked other aspects of the game more, I'd agree with you that this is nitpicking, but as it is, I feel like, at the very least, they could have made it cool looking. I'm sorry if it seems like I'm trolling, but it's basically that I'm still shocked that even with all that time and money, Bioware couldn't even do that much.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
Apart from the clothes moving with the character and wind and stuff... I actually think the TKM moves look better and make some sence.... the combo attacks are just plain cool. But for example SWGs "dizzy" is an attack against the sides of the head, "blind" is aimed at the eyes etc where SWtors "bladestorm" is a single strike with one of your sabers... ok?
I'm sure lots of things will be better with SWtor, altho this wasnt one of them
Star Wars The Old Republic animation quality. Done in slow mo so you can actually see the animations lol. Most of all the jedi knight/Sentinel attack upto level 25 (few I didnt do). Enjoy
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Nicely made vid, but not sure it help promotes this game.
Static toe to toe blaster fights and lightsabres that look like they have come from Toys R Us for the damage they do? Dosen't look great.
I am not sure your vid makes the game look all that exciting for the average fence sitter...
There is no denying IMO SWG Pre-Cu was "the" greatest MMO ever... I'm not dogging TOR nor am I crying over Pre-CU both are and were good. As far as animations Pre-Cu takes the cake hands down. TKM, Fencer, Swordmaster, Jedi, BH, and Commando had some of the best animations i've ever seen since in an MMO... Sure Conan had its flashy Finishers but thats all it had in terms of animations. RIP Pre-CU.. As far As CU and NGE are concerned those are 2 different games from Pre-Cu two very terrabad games... Its pathetic that SOE labeled them as upgrades.. But it's SOE they always manage to screw something up..
And not to hate on TOR again but I liked my Pre-Cu jedi animations far more than the TOR's approach. They're decent but don't really compare.
I was following your video series and I would like to ask if there were made improvements in graphics from last week and if you will make a video or post screenshots comparing the differences?
Realistically, I don't think the SWTOR animations are great and there are a lot of pauses. But it certainly feels better when playing it rather than watching videos of the animation.
But the animation was made with more frames in mind, so there alot more smooth, as well as SWG animation looked very slidy.
SWG animations are one of the best in any PC game, for me there's no doubt about it, someone should provide a link with jedi animations aswell, those are brilliant. Not to mention incredible array of dances made for entertainers.
For some (incredibly stupid) reason FPS in SWG was locked to 30 fps, but there was an external program available which unlocks it, so you could amaze yourself even further with realistic animation fluidity on 60+ fps.
Well, you CAN still experience it somewhere, but I'm not supposed it to say it where exactly on these forums.
Sorry guys i still have a soft spot for these animations. In my eyes none has done better,maby its the brutality but it has my vote.
On topic, swtor has very nice animations better than most but not all.
TOR really went in the opposite direction. Even in the cinematics, lightsabers can't sever limbs or decapitate anyone.
There are a couple scenes where my character would finish a downed opponent with a blow to the head, but it would look more like they were clubbed with a glowing baseball bat than a lightsaber. Would it really have hurt TOR sales, if they'd only been as violent as the movies?
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
Are you guys blind or what? Or is it just bashing for bashings sake? I mean for pete's sake, SWTOR is by no means perfect but the animations are really not an aspect to worry about. If you want to bash please take something that is at least worth bashing.
Sorry guys i still have a soft spot for these animations. In my eyes none has done better,maby its the brutality but it has my vote.
On topic, swtor has very nice animations better than most but not all.
TOR really went in the opposite direction. Even in the cinematics, lightsabers can't sever limbs or decapitate anyone.
There are a couple scenes where my character would finish a downed opponent with a blow to the head, but it would look more like they were clubbed with a glowing baseball bat than a lightsaber. Would it really have hurt TOR sales, if they'd only been as violent as the movies?
Yea i think decapitating a person would go to far. Sorry but having a severed head flying off the guys shoulders would make this game rated mature.
Im 38 but i have nephews who watch me play games . I dont want a game my nephews cant look over my shoulder and see me play. I dont want a game i have to make sure no kids are around before i go playing it.
so yea taken a guys head off or cutting a man in half goes to far.
Are you guys blind or what? Or is it just bashing for bashings sake?
Both. They are blind, and just bashing for the sake of bashing. No one with any amount of sense could say those animations are bad. TOR has the best animations of any combat I can recall in an MMO.
Are you guys blind or what? Or is it just bashing for bashings sake? I mean for pete's sake, SWTOR is by no means perfect but the animations are really not an aspect to worry about. If you want to bash please take something that is at least worth bashing.
there trolls.. even when proved wrong they stick to there lie of an excuse.
Both. They are blind, and just bashing for the sake of bashing. No one with any amount of sense could say those animations are bad. TOR has the best animations of any combat I can recall in an MMO.
LOL, seriously? Better than WoW of course, no question. Better than LOTRO.. but those are the only two I can even think of that are more boring, unless you count first gen MMOs like EQ and DAOC.
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This looks better then SWTOR and its 5 years old.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LtV_xiu1zs
I don't want to dimiss your opinion, Vhain, cause you do appear to have some knowledge on the subject; however, it's hard to take you seriously with the comparison to Blur's cinematics. And I know you know what I mean there.
I think you will admit the animations are at least stylisitcally consistent within the game's aesthetic; Bioware has, imo, been thoroughly impressive in that regard. But you don't like TOR's aesthetic, I know. That's cool, but I think much of the TOR bashing here is pure nitpicking (with of course a dash of truth here and there).
To the OP: great work on this and your other videos of SWTOR.
Awesome.
Wow you must be full of BS. Aion has by far the best combat animations from every MMO Ive played and you listed there oO.
SWTOR has some good animations but also VERY BAD animations. Alot of animations are stiff and boring, ever played a Inquistor past lvl10 ? Show me the healing skills and the dot animation which is none lol and tell me again they are great. Show me running while you have a speed buff and jumping, it doesnt look very good. Yes force leap and some other animations are great but alot of others are very bad.
Can´t understand this myself, with some animations they did such a great job and others look so crap its unbelievable.
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I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his lot by all possible means - except by getting off his back.
Again and again these videos show me to avoid this like a plague. Not only looks game very boring and dull all npcs are waxmuseum statues. And rediculous moves in this video ughh looks terible. I would not play this even for free.
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I'm guessing you mean that since it's a cinematic, of course it's better? From a technical standpoint, yes, but I was referring more to the style of the animations, not how fluid or lifelike they are. I was also trying to use an example that people couldn't shoot down as not fitting with thier idea of what would look Star Warsy.
Other people mention Aion and Blade&Soul, and I could agree with them, too. I think the type of flare in those games would fit the Star Wars universe pretty well. A very simple example of how the animations seem a bit weak could be the way the offhand lightsaber is never inverted. These are supposed to be Jedi with extreme levels of agility, but they never even switch grip, or anything cool looking like that. It's just so much standing there flat-footed, wacking away with both sabers foward, and too me, just doesn't look anywhere near as impressive as it should.
I think if I liked other aspects of the game more, I'd agree with you that this is nitpicking, but as it is, I feel like, at the very least, they could have made it cool looking. I'm sorry if it seems like I'm trolling, but it's basically that I'm still shocked that even with all that time and money, Bioware couldn't even do that much.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
SWTOR should have hired the team doing those anims.
An honest review of SW:TOR 6/10 (Danny Wojcicki)
Apart from the clothes moving with the character and wind and stuff... I actually think the TKM moves look better and make some sence.... the combo attacks are just plain cool. But for example SWGs "dizzy" is an attack against the sides of the head, "blind" is aimed at the eyes etc where SWtors "bladestorm" is a single strike with one of your sabers... ok?
I'm sure lots of things will be better with SWtor, altho this wasnt one of them
Nicely made vid, but not sure it help promotes this game.
Static toe to toe blaster fights and lightsabres that look like they have come from Toys R Us for the damage they do? Dosen't look great.
I am not sure your vid makes the game look all that exciting for the average fence sitter...
There is no denying IMO SWG Pre-Cu was "the" greatest MMO ever... I'm not dogging TOR nor am I crying over Pre-CU both are and were good. As far as animations Pre-Cu takes the cake hands down. TKM, Fencer, Swordmaster, Jedi, BH, and Commando had some of the best animations i've ever seen since in an MMO... Sure Conan had its flashy Finishers but thats all it had in terms of animations. RIP Pre-CU.. As far As CU and NGE are concerned those are 2 different games from Pre-Cu two very terrabad games... Its pathetic that SOE labeled them as upgrades.. But it's SOE they always manage to screw something up..
And not to hate on TOR again but I liked my Pre-Cu jedi animations far more than the TOR's approach. They're decent but don't really compare.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3onJMsYKuE
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I was following your video series and I would like to ask if there were made improvements in graphics from last week and if you will make a video or post screenshots comparing the differences?
Thanks
How about this animation.
Realistically, I don't think the SWTOR animations are great and there are a lot of pauses. But it certainly feels better when playing it rather than watching videos of the animation.
But the animation was made with more frames in mind, so there alot more smooth, as well as SWG animation looked very slidy.
SWG animations are one of the best in any PC game, for me there's no doubt about it, someone should provide a link with jedi animations aswell, those are brilliant. Not to mention incredible array of dances made for entertainers.
For some (incredibly stupid) reason FPS in SWG was locked to 30 fps, but there was an external program available which unlocks it, so you could amaze yourself even further with realistic animation fluidity on 60+ fps.
Well, you CAN still experience it somewhere, but I'm not supposed it to say it where exactly on these forums.
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I think SWTOR's animations look considerably better than most MMOs, but those SWG animations, at least when stationary, are truly top notch.
Sorry guys i still have a soft spot for these animations. In my eyes none has done better,maby its the brutality but it has my vote.
On topic, swtor has very nice animations better than most but not all.
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TOR really went in the opposite direction. Even in the cinematics, lightsabers can't sever limbs or decapitate anyone.
There are a couple scenes where my character would finish a downed opponent with a blow to the head, but it would look more like they were clubbed with a glowing baseball bat than a lightsaber. Would it really have hurt TOR sales, if they'd only been as violent as the movies?
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
SW:ToR's animation is bad
Are you guys blind or what? Or is it just bashing for bashings sake? I mean for pete's sake, SWTOR is by no means perfect but the animations are really not an aspect to worry about. If you want to bash please take something that is at least worth bashing.
Yea i think decapitating a person would go to far. Sorry but having a severed head flying off the guys shoulders would make this game rated mature.
Im 38 but i have nephews who watch me play games . I dont want a game my nephews cant look over my shoulder and see me play. I dont want a game i have to make sure no kids are around before i go playing it.
so yea taken a guys head off or cutting a man in half goes to far.
Both. They are blind, and just bashing for the sake of bashing. No one with any amount of sense could say those animations are bad. TOR has the best animations of any combat I can recall in an MMO.
there trolls.. even when proved wrong they stick to there lie of an excuse.
LOL, seriously? Better than WoW of course, no question. Better than LOTRO.. but those are the only two I can even think of that are more boring, unless you count first gen MMOs like EQ and DAOC.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.