If they gave every member of said pre-launch guild the same early access start you would have late pre-orders joing the earliest registered guilds and then those who actually registered a head of time would be forced to wait behind a bunch of people who just joined a guild to get early access. First Come First Server if fine by me.
If they gave every member of said pre-launch guild the same early access start you would have late pre-orders joing the earliest registered guilds and then those who actually registered a head of time would be forced to wait behind a bunch of people who just joined a guild to get early access. First Come First Server if fine by me.
Notice "more weight" in my 1st post, back on topic.
If you don't like a game don't play it, and quit running to MMORPG.com to trash it.
I originally preordered this game based on the believe I was getting early access starting on the 15th December. Then a new communications is released indicating a 13th release with waves of invites.
If I read the EA correctly I was of the impression that they moved the EA back from the 15th to the 13th and decided to do waves of invites based on first come first served. However, I also understood these waves were only to occur up until the 15th then everyone else gets into the EA for the original 5 day period they announced. (I thought we still got a full 5 days for pre-ordering).
Is this not the case? i.e. the waves will continue right through the whole EA period now?
If this is true then what was the point of the early access if some people don't get the full original 5 days announced and promised for my pre-order?
This has got to be one of the most confusing communications from a company I have ever witnessed.
You were never promosed 5 days. You were promised up to 5 days dependent on when you pre-ordered. This was stated the first day pre-orders were announced. When did you pre-order?
Edit: Originally it didn't let me post outside of the quote box, so I edited to fix that.
What I dont understand is what good this staggering has done. Still going to be queues, still going to be server crashes, still gonna be too many servers for the amount of players in 2 months. Basically a typical mmo launch is still in store, just more angry customers this way.
What I dont understand is what good this staggering has done. Still going to be queues, still going to be server crashes, still gonna be too many servers for the amount of players in 2 months. Basically a typical mmo launch is still in store, just more angry customers this way.
Staggering means they can watch how much of a load they put into the beginning zones. How'd ya like to be trying to finish that level 3 quest with 5,345 other people trying to do the exact same thing at the exact same time?
Also - angry customers will be angry until the week's over and everyone is in game. I'm sure Bioware can live with that.
What gets me is that I'm in a guild that others are playing and yet I have no access because my preorder date is 1 Dec (Sorry Bioware I'm active duty Army). So I'm going to assume that the majority of my guild will be level 20 or higher by the time I get my access.
All guilded players should have sameday access.
Assnine policy Bioware.
Yeah, but you could still have preordered 6 months ago unless you been spending the last 6 months in a war zone with no net at all and no friends that could preorder for you.
The best way however to get the guild start same day would be to decide to star when everybody has the game working, it is somewhat frustrating for the guys getting it first but still something most friends would do for eachother.
More "weight" should have been given to guilded players in my opinion.
I strongly disagree here,
So your saying that because you are in a guild u deserve the acces more then me?
So what you saying is i should have just joined a random guild somewhere to get my acces and then scatter...
You dont make sense at all.
Wait it is a guild orientated MMORPG right?
Neither does the date you pre-order. Somehow you seem that a preorder in October is more important than a preorder in Dec.
That makes sense also?
Yes because the player in october showed intrest earlier in the game then the player in december. thus desrving imo earlyer acces.
Now what they could have done was inviting randomly. but that would have made ven more people angry. Its your own fault that you couldnt prorder earlyer. Same goes for me i should have pr-ordered in july but i diddnt i was uncertain. now im biting the bullet for it.
and since when is an MMO guild orientated? because it has the option for it? as far as i can see i can randomly que up for warzones and i dont need a guild to do flashpoints. so where did this guild of you come in?
I will join a guild tho by finding people who i like during my leveling experience and joining them afterwards... like in any MMO before
Yes being able to "pay earlier" means more intrest.
As for your "no guild in a MMO needed comment" ........................................um ok.
Like I said it IS MY OPINION that more "weight" should have been given to guilded accounts than the solo players with 1 person in the guild that pre ordered in Oct.
Once again MY OPINION.
Using your example I have Beta tape of the original Starwars how's that for intrest?
Ok so lets say the new Harry Potter or Ipad (or any product that leads to ppls camping in front of stores for a few days) and you are in line it takes forever since you didnt camp finally its only 1 more guy in front of you but than a horde of ppls come telling you that they are all members of the same Harry Potter fan club like the guy in front of you would you be ok with that?
It is very simple. It is first come, first served. No one is more special than anyone else (unless we are talking little school bus speshul). Race, creed, age, color, job, guild(lol),etc get you no special treatment or are you discriminated against. One simple rule. First come, First served.
edit - btw I preorded later than most, and if i get in early at all than thanks bioware but I expect no special treatment. I have guildies and friends already playing, they ordered earlier. Makes sense.
It is very simple. It is first come, first served. No one is more special than anyone else (unless we are talking little school bus speshul). Race, creed, age, color, job, guild(lol),etc get you no special treatment or are you discriminated against. One simple rule. First come, First served.
This isn't a food line, it's an MMO.
First come - first serve should only be applicable if you payed more money (ex. Collectors Edition).
I'm honesly not that disappointed, but some people are getting more for their money (a minor amount in the big picture), whilst those who payed the same amount (at a later date) are getting the shaft with regards to early access.
It is very simple. It is first come, first served. No one is more special than anyone else (unless we are talking little school bus speshul). Race, creed, age, color, job, guild(lol),etc get you no special treatment or are you discriminated against. One simple rule. First come, First served.
This isn't a food line, it's an MMO.
First come - first serve should only be applicable if you payed more money (ex. Collectors Edition).
I'm honesly not that disappointed, but some people are getting more for their money (a minor amount in the big picture), whilst those who payed the same amount (at a later date) are getting the shaft with regards to early access.
Really do you understand first come, first served. Which has nothing to do with just food. Anything you have to wait for in life is that way, it has nothing to do with the amount of money you pay. You wait in line at the grocery store you do not get anything special because you have more groceries and are paying more money. Either way, the sense of entitlement in people now a days is retarded. If you get something extra for any reason, your lucky, nothing more.
edit - If you get something more for paying more than others that a whole different line of money is power, corruption, etc. A whole different conversation though. That rule applies if you are the exception not everyone has the oppurtunity to pay more to get more.
What gets me is that I'm in a guild that others are playing and yet I have no access because my preorder date is 1 Dec (Sorry Bioware I'm active duty Army). So I'm going to assume that the majority of my guild will be level 20 or higher by the time I get my access.
All guilded players should have sameday access.
Assnine policy Bioware.
Yeah, but you could still have preordered 6 months ago unless you been spending the last 6 months in a war zone with no net at all and no friends that could preorder for you.
The best way however to get the guild start same day would be to decide to star when everybody has the game working, it is somewhat frustrating for the guys getting it first but still something most friends would do for eachother.
More "weight" should have been given to guilded players in my opinion.
I strongly disagree here,
So your saying that because you are in a guild u deserve the acces more then me?
So what you saying is i should have just joined a random guild somewhere to get my acces and then scatter...
You dont make sense at all.
Wait it is a guild orientated MMORPG right?
Neither does the date you pre-order. Somehow you seem that a preorder in October is more important than a preorder in Dec.
That makes sense also?
Yes because the player in october showed intrest earlier in the game then the player in december. thus desrving imo earlyer acces.
Now what they could have done was inviting randomly. but that would have made ven more people angry. Its your own fault that you couldnt prorder earlyer. Same goes for me i should have pr-ordered in july but i diddnt i was uncertain. now im biting the bullet for it.
and since when is an MMO guild orientated? because it has the option for it? as far as i can see i can randomly que up for warzones and i dont need a guild to do flashpoints. so where did this guild of you come in?
I will join a guild tho by finding people who i like during my leveling experience and joining them afterwards... like in any MMO before
Yes being able to "pay earlier" means more intrest.
As for your "no guild in a MMO needed comment" ........................................um ok.
Like I said it IS MY OPINION that more "weight" should have been given to guilded accounts than the solo players with 1 person in the guild that pre ordered in Oct.
Once again MY OPINION.
Using your example I have Beta tape of the original Starwars how's that for intrest?
Pre ordered soon as they was announced, didn't pay a dime until it was shipped (few days ago). You didn't have to pay early at all.
Your opinion for more weight for guilded players is no better than what your arguing against. Its not like a few days is going to ruin everything.
What gets me is that I'm in a guild that others are playing and yet I have no access because my preorder date is 1 Dec (Sorry Bioware I'm active duty Army). So I'm going to assume that the majority of my guild will be level 20 or higher by the time I get my access.
All guilded players should have sameday access.
Assnine policy Bioware.
Yeah, but you could still have preordered 6 months ago unless you been spending the last 6 months in a war zone with no net at all and no friends that could preorder for you.
The best way however to get the guild start same day would be to decide to star when everybody has the game working, it is somewhat frustrating for the guys getting it first but still something most friends would do for eachother.
More "weight" should have been given to guilded players in my opinion.
I strongly disagree here,
So your saying that because you are in a guild u deserve the acces more then me?
So what you saying is i should have just joined a random guild somewhere to get my acces and then scatter...
You dont make sense at all.
Wait it is a guild orientated MMORPG right?
Neither does the date you pre-order. Somehow you seem that a preorder in October is more important than a preorder in Dec.
That makes sense also?
Yes because the player in october showed intrest earlier in the game then the player in december. thus desrving imo earlyer acces.
Now what they could have done was inviting randomly. but that would have made ven more people angry. Its your own fault that you couldnt prorder earlyer. Same goes for me i should have pr-ordered in july but i diddnt i was uncertain. now im biting the bullet for it.
and since when is an MMO guild orientated? because it has the option for it? as far as i can see i can randomly que up for warzones and i dont need a guild to do flashpoints. so where did this guild of you come in?
I will join a guild tho by finding people who i like during my leveling experience and joining them afterwards... like in any MMO before
Yes being able to "pay earlier" means more intrest.
As for your "no guild in a MMO needed comment" ........................................um ok.
Like I said it IS MY OPINION that more "weight" should have been given to guilded accounts than the solo players with 1 person in the guild that pre ordered in Oct.
Once again MY OPINION.
Using your example I have Beta tape of the original Starwars how's that for intrest?
Pre ordered soon as they was announced, didn't pay a dime until it was shipped (few days ago). You didn't have to pay early at all.
Your opinion for more weight for guilded players is no better than what your arguing against. Its not like a few days is going to ruin everything.
Yes being in a progression lauched guild via the Bioware guild site and having the same or close to the same access time (looking like 5 days) makes no sense. The people in one of the Thousands of solo guilds registered via the same site the might have preordered in october are much more likely to subscribe right?
You sir make no sense and I take it you have not been in a progression guild before, 5 days difference is off the raid team/guild.
If you don't like a game don't play it, and quit running to MMORPG.com to trash it.
It is very simple. It is first come, first served. No one is more special than anyone else (unless we are talking little school bus speshul). Race, creed, age, color, job, guild(lol),etc get you no special treatment or are you discriminated against. One simple rule. First come, First served.
This isn't a food line, it's an MMO.
First come - first serve should only be applicable if you payed more money (ex. Collectors Edition).
I'm honesly not that disappointed, but some people are getting more for their money (a minor amount in the big picture), whilst those who payed the same amount (at a later date) are getting the shaft with regards to early access.
Really do you understand first come, first served. Which has nothing to do with just food. Anything you have to wait for in life is that way, it has nothing to do with the amount of money you pay. You wait in line at the grocery store you do not get anything special because you have more groceries and are paying more money. Either way, the sense of entitlement in people now a days is retarded. If you get something extra for any reason, your lucky, nothing more.
edit - If you get something more for paying more than others that a whole different line of money is power, corruption, etc. A whole different conversation though. That rule applies if you are the exception not everyone has the oppurtunity to pay more to get more.
"Preordering earlier" is a sense of entitlement in itself to earlier game play.
However using Biowares own site to form and launch a progression guild is a "wrong" sense of entitlement?
Ironic eh?
If you don't like a game don't play it, and quit running to MMORPG.com to trash it.
Yes being in a progression lauched guild via the Bioware guild site and having the same or close to the same access time (looking like 5 days) makes no sense. The people in one of the Thousands of solo guilds registered via the same site the might have preordered in october are much more likely to subscribe right?
You sir make no sense and I take it you have not been in a progression guild before, 5 days difference is off the raid team/guild.
I suggest finding a new guild if they are willing to remove you for something like that. Not all progression guilds are so strict. Especially at launch.
Relax, let people level up and get ready. Not all progression guilds are in the race for world firsts.
What I dont understand is what good this staggering has done. Still going to be queues, still going to be server crashes, still gonna be too many servers for the amount of players in 2 months. Basically a typical mmo launch is still in store, just more angry customers this way.
Staggering means they can watch how much of a load they put into the beginning zones. How'd ya like to be trying to finish that level 3 quest with 5,345 other people trying to do the exact same thing at the exact same time?
Also - angry customers will be angry until the week's over and everyone is in game. I'm sure Bioware can live with that.
What I'm saying is that Pre-Orders arent the ones they need to be worried about. They can't stagger the actual game release on Dec 20th, they HAVE to let people play that day. That's when the issues are going to come in, not with the pre-orders that are in now. Sure, their pre-order numbers are larger than most MMOs have, but also a larger amount of people who canceled and are not going to play the game. Even after having most of october in now, the servers are still listed as light to standard.
This staggering is just prolonging the inevitable, and angering paying customers isn't something Bioware should be able to live with, especially if it's not doing them any good.
It is very simple. It is first come, first served. No one is more special than anyone else (unless we are talking little school bus speshul). Race, creed, age, color, job, guild(lol),etc get you no special treatment or are you discriminated against. One simple rule. First come, First served.
This isn't a food line, it's an MMO.
First come - first serve should only be applicable if you payed more money (ex. Collectors Edition).
I'm honesly not that disappointed, but some people are getting more for their money (a minor amount in the big picture), whilst those who payed the same amount (at a later date) are getting the shaft with regards to early access.
Really do you understand first come, first served. Which has nothing to do with just food. Anything you have to wait for in life is that way, it has nothing to do with the amount of money you pay. You wait in line at the grocery store you do not get anything special because you have more groceries and are paying more money. Either way, the sense of entitlement in people now a days is retarded. If you get something extra for any reason, your lucky, nothing more.
edit - If you get something more for paying more than others that a whole different line of money is power, corruption, etc. A whole different conversation though. That rule applies if you are the exception not everyone has the oppurtunity to pay more to get more.
You don't pay to wait in line at the grocery store, you pay for the products which you are buying.
You do pay to get into early access (and the entry process), and the people in front of you are getting more for their money whilst those in the back are getting less.
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If I buy a steak for $30 and someone else buys one for $10, I damn well hope i'm getting a better steak.
Yes being in a progression lauched guild via the Bioware guild site and having the same or close to the same access time (looking like 5 days) makes no sense. The people in one of the Thousands of solo guilds registered via the same site the might have preordered in october are much more likely to subscribe right?
You sir make no sense and I take it you have not been in a progression guild before, 5 days difference is off the raid team/guild.
I suggest finding a new guild if they are willing to remove you for something like that. Not all progression guilds are so strict. Especially at launch.
Relax, let people level up and get ready. Not all progression guilds are in the race for world firsts.
So why even have "Guild Forming" and "Guild Lauching" events via Bioware if this is not going to hold "more wieght"? That is my point.
If you don't like a game don't play it, and quit running to MMORPG.com to trash it.
What I dont understand is what good this staggering has done. Still going to be queues, still going to be server crashes, still gonna be too many servers for the amount of players in 2 months. Basically a typical mmo launch is still in store, just more angry customers this way.
Staggering means they can watch how much of a load they put into the beginning zones. How'd ya like to be trying to finish that level 3 quest with 5,345 other people trying to do the exact same thing at the exact same time?
Also - angry customers will be angry until the week's over and everyone is in game. I'm sure Bioware can live with that.
What I'm saying is that Pre-Orders arent the ones they need to be worried about. They can't stagger the actual game release on Dec 20th, they HAVE to let people play that day. That's when the issues are going to come in, not with the pre-orders that are in now. Sure, their pre-order numbers are larger than most MMOs have, but also a larger amount of people who canceled and are not going to play the game. Even after having most of october in now, the servers are still listed as light to standard.
This staggering is just prolonging the inevitable, and angering paying customers isn't something Bioware should be able to live with, especially if it's not doing them any good.
Good points, if "preorders" are a concern what about the 20th like you said? Also they have had many "beta stress tests" I was involved in the last two of them.
Makes me almost start to call Bioware BS.
If you don't like a game don't play it, and quit running to MMORPG.com to trash it.
Thanks guys some of this is just to funny. The LACK of reading anything about PRE-ORDER then come Dec 13th and now some are.. a why can't I get in I preordered Dec 1st. They NOW still don't read what was said. HAHA and then this "more weight"....
As if the word GUILD should ..duh explain everything. Sorry HAHA .. why should we let you in? "I am in a guild." When did you preorder? "Dec 1st".. But we told you.. didn't you read.. blah blah.
And then you go where to ask cry about it? mmorpg.
Do you know how many GUILDS bought their PRE-ORDER all at the same time to make sure they ALL got in at the same time?
What gets me is that I'm in a guild that others are playing and yet I have no access because my preorder date is 1 Dec (Sorry Bioware I'm active duty Army). So I'm going to assume that the majority of my guild will be level 20 or higher by the time I get my access.
All guilded players should have sameday access.
Assnine policy Bioware.
that wouldn't be fair, everybody behind the 1st man in your guild would get to cut the line. only way it could work is if the held your entire guild back till it was your turn. I'm sure that would make you really popular with your guildmates, lol
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What was the point of the pre-order if this is the case.
Potentialy sucker you into the game with sweets and candy. Candy in this case is whatever this pre order gave you.
Nothing else.
If they gave every member of said pre-launch guild the same early access start you would have late pre-orders joing the earliest registered guilds and then those who actually registered a head of time would be forced to wait behind a bunch of people who just joined a guild to get early access. First Come First Server if fine by me.
Notice "more weight" in my 1st post, back on topic.
If you don't like a game don't play it, and quit running to MMORPG.com to trash it.
This. Only the committed.
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/367/feature/5905/On-Regional-Restrictions-SWTOR.html/page/1, theyre trying to do something about it?
Staggering means they can watch how much of a load they put into the beginning zones. How'd ya like to be trying to finish that level 3 quest with 5,345 other people trying to do the exact same thing at the exact same time?
Also - angry customers will be angry until the week's over and everyone is in game. I'm sure Bioware can live with that.
Ok so lets say the new Harry Potter or Ipad (or any product that leads to ppls camping in front of stores for a few days) and you are in line it takes forever since you didnt camp finally its only 1 more guy in front of you but than a horde of ppls come telling you that they are all members of the same Harry Potter fan club like the guy in front of you would you be ok with that?
So much nitpicking and whining. Other than the active duty military comment, pretty bogus thread here
Also also, here's the Dev Tracker, tells an approximation of who's getting in when.
http://www.swtor.com/community/devtracker.php
and more specifically,
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=219733#edit219733
I just finished all of my finals today and was hoping to get an invite, at least before the 15th.
Looks like I don't get in until Friday.
Sure feels nice being a third class purchaser...
It is very simple. It is first come, first served. No one is more special than anyone else (unless we are talking little school bus speshul). Race, creed, age, color, job, guild(lol),etc get you no special treatment or are you discriminated against. One simple rule. First come, First served.
edit - btw I preorded later than most, and if i get in early at all than thanks bioware but I expect no special treatment. I have guildies and friends already playing, they ordered earlier. Makes sense.
This isn't a food line, it's an MMO.
First come - first serve should only be applicable if you payed more money (ex. Collectors Edition).
I'm honesly not that disappointed, but some people are getting more for their money (a minor amount in the big picture), whilst those who payed the same amount (at a later date) are getting the shaft with regards to early access.
Really do you understand first come, first served. Which has nothing to do with just food. Anything you have to wait for in life is that way, it has nothing to do with the amount of money you pay. You wait in line at the grocery store you do not get anything special because you have more groceries and are paying more money. Either way, the sense of entitlement in people now a days is retarded. If you get something extra for any reason, your lucky, nothing more.
edit - If you get something more for paying more than others that a whole different line of money is power, corruption, etc. A whole different conversation though. That rule applies if you are the exception not everyone has the oppurtunity to pay more to get more.
Pre ordered soon as they was announced, didn't pay a dime until it was shipped (few days ago). You didn't have to pay early at all.
Your opinion for more weight for guilded players is no better than what your arguing against. Its not like a few days is going to ruin everything.
Yes being in a progression lauched guild via the Bioware guild site and having the same or close to the same access time (looking like 5 days) makes no sense. The people in one of the Thousands of solo guilds registered via the same site the might have preordered in october are much more likely to subscribe right?
You sir make no sense and I take it you have not been in a progression guild before, 5 days difference is off the raid team/guild.
If you don't like a game don't play it, and quit running to MMORPG.com to trash it.
"Preordering earlier" is a sense of entitlement in itself to earlier game play.
However using Biowares own site to form and launch a progression guild is a "wrong" sense of entitlement?
Ironic eh?
If you don't like a game don't play it, and quit running to MMORPG.com to trash it.
I suggest finding a new guild if they are willing to remove you for something like that. Not all progression guilds are so strict. Especially at launch.
Relax, let people level up and get ready. Not all progression guilds are in the race for world firsts.
What I'm saying is that Pre-Orders arent the ones they need to be worried about. They can't stagger the actual game release on Dec 20th, they HAVE to let people play that day. That's when the issues are going to come in, not with the pre-orders that are in now. Sure, their pre-order numbers are larger than most MMOs have, but also a larger amount of people who canceled and are not going to play the game. Even after having most of october in now, the servers are still listed as light to standard.
This staggering is just prolonging the inevitable, and angering paying customers isn't something Bioware should be able to live with, especially if it's not doing them any good.
You don't pay to wait in line at the grocery store, you pay for the products which you are buying.
You do pay to get into early access (and the entry process), and the people in front of you are getting more for their money whilst those in the back are getting less.
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If I buy a steak for $30 and someone else buys one for $10, I damn well hope i'm getting a better steak.
So why even have "Guild Forming" and "Guild Lauching" events via Bioware if this is not going to hold "more wieght"? That is my point.
If you don't like a game don't play it, and quit running to MMORPG.com to trash it.
Sweet Baby Jesus, theres a lot of whiney cry babies. You people are the reason why we can't have nice things.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
Good points, if "preorders" are a concern what about the 20th like you said? Also they have had many "beta stress tests" I was involved in the last two of them.
Makes me almost start to call Bioware BS.
If you don't like a game don't play it, and quit running to MMORPG.com to trash it.
Thanks guys some of this is just to funny. The LACK of reading anything about PRE-ORDER then come Dec 13th and now some are.. a why can't I get in I preordered Dec 1st. They NOW still don't read what was said. HAHA and then this "more weight"....
As if the word GUILD should ..duh explain everything. Sorry HAHA .. why should we let you in? "I am in a guild." When did you preorder? "Dec 1st".. But we told you.. didn't you read.. blah blah.
And then you go where to ask cry about it? mmorpg.
Do you know how many GUILDS bought their PRE-ORDER all at the same time to make sure they ALL got in at the same time?
The lesson here is? Read.
that wouldn't be fair, everybody behind the 1st man in your guild would get to cut the line. only way it could work is if the held your entire guild back till it was your turn. I'm sure that would make you really popular with your guildmates, lol