Went to it, was extreamly dissapointed in it, left it. Not been back since (like several other big dissapointing games). So in the past 5yrs there have been 2 games in my opinion that were worth playing (however both have dropped down alot and 1 has dropped into obscruity when it went f2p which was lotro. The other is #1 still (unfortunatly), and has a 4th expansion comming out which is not really dinging my ding a ling at all, in fact warning bells are going off instead.
The real question should be, "What modern mmo isn't better then Darkfall?" Since we know that most are better I will say that at least DF is better then MO.
The real question should be, "What modern mmo isn't better then Darkfall?" Since we know that most are better I will say that at least DF is better then MO.
I would not say MO is better than DF or DF is better than MO. They are both games that pretend they are sandboxes. When all they are is team deathmatch games. Both suffer from low dismal pops. And no real sandbox tools. They are illusions of a sandbox.
But I will say that the pve and exploring is better in DF. MO's exploring is looking at scenary with no dungeons and terrible PVE and terrible AI. They are "currently" working on the AI and PVE but they have been working on it since release.
I would say that atm MO has the lead on DF, that has more or less stood still the last year, and having the horrible grind and no skill cap is the real blow to me. If they would fix these issues with 2.0 then I could give it another chance. But I would like a wipe before that as well. But I guess 2.0 won´t come out til 2013, with the BETA starting this year. AV just as SV are a indie company, but at least SV put shit out, even though some are shit, they still do SOMETHING. I guess both these games could get spanked once Archage comes here, and if this new Fallen Thrones has something to say as well. Earthrise will also go F2P in april, and if they fix that games issues it could make a nice comeback. But we´ll see. Atm EVE rules the sandbox, but it´s to dull for me. I say MO leads atm. If barely over DF.
I would say that atm MO has the lead on DF, that has more or less stood still the last year, and having the horrible grind and no skill cap is the real blow to me. If they would fix these issues with 2.0 then I could give it another chance. But I would like a wipe before that as well. But I guess 2.0 won´t come out til 2013, with the BETA starting this year. AV just as SV are a indie company, but at least SV put shit out, even though some are shit, they still do SOMETHING. I guess both these games could get spanked once Archage comes here, and if this new Fallen Thrones has something to say as well. Earthrise will also go F2P in april, and if they fix that games issues it could make a nice comeback. But we´ll see. Atm EVE rules the sandbox, but it´s to dull for me. I say MO leads atm. If barely over DF.
AV hasnt put out an expac in over a year and it still has released 5x times the content MO has....
I would say that atm MO has the lead on DF, that has more or less stood still the last year, and having the horrible grind and no skill cap is the real blow to me. If they would fix these issues with 2.0 then I could give it another chance. But I would like a wipe before that as well. But I guess 2.0 won´t come out til 2013, with the BETA starting this year. AV just as SV are a indie company, but at least SV put shit out, even though some are shit, they still do SOMETHING. I guess both these games could get spanked once Archage comes here, and if this new Fallen Thrones has something to say as well. Earthrise will also go F2P in april, and if they fix that games issues it could make a nice comeback. But we´ll see. Atm EVE rules the sandbox, but it´s to dull for me. I say MO leads atm. If barely over DF.
AV hasnt put out an expac in over a year and it still has released 5x times the content MO has....
Hotfixes dont count as content.
Ho please, everytime MO release something, new bugs gets in and it gets even more imbalanced.
There's also something you guys are not aware of. DF is an unknown game. Ask anyone if he know what DF is. He wont know what it is cuz there's 0 ad for that game anywhere on the net. You have to be lucky to find the game. With that being said, DF currently got enough players and i'm sure they make enough profit since they dont spend money to advertise. Plus, its still 15 a month. Not 10, not 5, not free after 2 years, 3 years soon. The game is not dying.
Finally, once 2.0 breaks in, i'm sure a lot of players will come back and at this point, they will be confident enough to advertise their game to sell it in mass.
Its our opinion when we say DF is the best mmo. We are just tired of all these wow clones out there. As for EVE, they have more ads then DF and they did had a bad time too. Its been a long time since this game was release and it used to be bad too. DF just like EVE is simply growing up. You have to see the potential over what it currently is.
I would say that atm MO has the lead on DF, that has more or less stood still the last year, and having the horrible grind and no skill cap is the real blow to me. If they would fix these issues with 2.0 then I could give it another chance. But I would like a wipe before that as well. But I guess 2.0 won´t come out til 2013, with the BETA starting this year. AV just as SV are a indie company, but at least SV put shit out, even though some are shit, they still do SOMETHING. I guess both these games could get spanked once Archage comes here, and if this new Fallen Thrones has something to say as well. Earthrise will also go F2P in april, and if they fix that games issues it could make a nice comeback. But we´ll see. Atm EVE rules the sandbox, but it´s to dull for me. I say MO leads atm. If barely over DF.
AV hasnt put out an expac in over a year and it still has released 5x times the content MO has....
Hotfixes dont count as content.
Ho please, everytime MO release something, new bugs gets in and it gets even more imbalanced.
There's also something you guys are not aware of. DF is an unknown game. Ask anyone if he know what DF is. He wont know what it is cuz there's 0 ad for that game anywhere on the net. You have to be lucky to find the game. With that being said, DF currently got enough players and i'm sure they make enough profit since they dont spend money to advertise. Plus, its still 15 a month. Not 10, not 5, not free after 2 years, 3 years soon. The game is not dying.
Finally, once 2.0 breaks in, i'm sure a lot of players will come back and at this point, they will be confident enough to advertise their game to sell it in mass.
Its our opinion when we say DF is the best mmo. We are just tired of all these wow clones out there. As for EVE, they have more ads then DF and they did had a bad time too. Its been a long time since this game was release and it used to be bad too. DF just like EVE is simply growing up. You have to see the potential over what it currently is.
Hotfixes my *ss. OK, there been hotfixes after patches to fix bugs etc, but at least they put out hotfixes ASAP once they see things are broke. And calling the butcher, cooking, food/hunger system, TC etc for hotfixes clearly shows you have no freaking clue to what content is vs hotfixes. And what exactly did DF put out last year?
And according to this pretty site DF is EXTREMLY popular. Just look at all them hits they got... Nothing fishy there at all. Move along people... And DF has just as MO not done any advertisment. Both games are far from perfect. But there sure is alittle more sand in MOs box compared to DF. And I´m not the only one saying this. Sites as Sandboxer also ranks MO above DF there. Just on spot above, but still. I think it´s good both games lives. I hope they can inspire each other to do better.
I would say that atm MO has the lead on DF, that has more or less stood still the last year, and having the horrible grind and no skill cap is the real blow to me. If they would fix these issues with 2.0 then I could give it another chance. But I would like a wipe before that as well. But I guess 2.0 won´t come out til 2013, with the BETA starting this year. AV just as SV are a indie company, but at least SV put shit out, even though some are shit, they still do SOMETHING. I guess both these games could get spanked once Archage comes here, and if this new Fallen Thrones has something to say as well. Earthrise will also go F2P in april, and if they fix that games issues it could make a nice comeback. But we´ll see. Atm EVE rules the sandbox, but it´s to dull for me. I say MO leads atm. If barely over DF.
AV hasnt put out an expac in over a year and it still has released 5x times the content MO has....
Hotfixes dont count as content.
Ho please, everytime MO release something, new bugs gets in and it gets even more imbalanced.
There's also something you guys are not aware of. DF is an unknown game. Ask anyone if he know what DF is. He wont know what it is cuz there's 0 ad for that game anywhere on the net. You have to be lucky to find the game. With that being said, DF currently got enough players and i'm sure they make enough profit since they dont spend money to advertise. Plus, its still 15 a month. Not 10, not 5, not free after 2 years, 3 years soon. The game is not dying.
Finally, once 2.0 breaks in, i'm sure a lot of players will come back and at this point, they will be confident enough to advertise their game to sell it in mass.
Its our opinion when we say DF is the best mmo. We are just tired of all these wow clones out there. As for EVE, they have more ads then DF and they did had a bad time too. Its been a long time since this game was release and it used to be bad too. DF just like EVE is simply growing up. You have to see the potential over what it currently is.
Hotfixes my *ss. OK, there been hotfixes after patches to fix bugs etc, but at least they put out hotfixes ASAP once they see things are broke. And calling the butcher, cooking, food/hunger system, TC etc for hotfixes clearly shows you have no freaking clue to what content is vs hotfixes. And what exactly did DF put out last year?
And according to this pretty site DF is EXTREMLY popular. Just look at all them hits they got... Nothing fishy there at all. Move along people... And DF has just as MO not done any advertisment. Both games are far from perfect. But there sure is alittle more sand in MOs box compared to DF. And I´m not the only one saying this. Sites as Sandboxer also ranks MO above DF there. Just on spot above, but still. I think it´s good both games lives. I hope they can inspire each other to do better.
Sandboxer lol....
"And what exactly did DF put out last year?"...i was pretty clear in stating they havnt released an expac in over a year...
Who are you kiddin here lol...DF has had 3 huge expacs in its lifetime...you can chuck a dart at any one of those 3 expacs and the content in it alone is far more than the total number of updates MO has received in its lifetime....
AV has been working on DF2.0 and has abandoned DF1.0 but lets not have any illusions here lol...your comparing MO to a game that has been abandoned by its own developers...When 2.0 comes out MO is going to lose those 60ish subs they took from DF and for the first few months DF will have a pop of atleast 300k+ (dont think it will be as big as the first launch)....
MO has never had anything close to the sub numbers DF has had and never will lol...
I would say that atm MO has the lead on DF, that has more or less stood still the last year, and having the horrible grind and no skill cap is the real blow to me. If they would fix these issues with 2.0 then I could give it another chance. But I would like a wipe before that as well. But I guess 2.0 won´t come out til 2013, with the BETA starting this year. AV just as SV are a indie company, but at least SV put shit out, even though some are shit, they still do SOMETHING. I guess both these games could get spanked once Archage comes here, and if this new Fallen Thrones has something to say as well. Earthrise will also go F2P in april, and if they fix that games issues it could make a nice comeback. But we´ll see. Atm EVE rules the sandbox, but it´s to dull for me. I say MO leads atm. If barely over DF.
AV hasnt put out an expac in over a year and it still has released 5x times the content MO has....
Hotfixes dont count as content.
Ho please, everytime MO release something, new bugs gets in and it gets even more imbalanced.
There's also something you guys are not aware of. DF is an unknown game. Ask anyone if he know what DF is. He wont know what it is cuz there's 0 ad for that game anywhere on the net. You have to be lucky to find the game. With that being said, DF currently got enough players and i'm sure they make enough profit since they dont spend money to advertise. Plus, its still 15 a month. Not 10, not 5, not free after 2 years, 3 years soon. The game is not dying.
Finally, once 2.0 breaks in, i'm sure a lot of players will come back and at this point, they will be confident enough to advertise their game to sell it in mass.
Its our opinion when we say DF is the best mmo. We are just tired of all these wow clones out there. As for EVE, they have more ads then DF and they did had a bad time too. Its been a long time since this game was release and it used to be bad too. DF just like EVE is simply growing up. You have to see the potential over what it currently is.
Hotfixes my *ss. OK, there been hotfixes after patches to fix bugs etc, but at least they put out hotfixes ASAP once they see things are broke. And calling the butcher, cooking, food/hunger system, TC etc for hotfixes clearly shows you have no freaking clue to what content is vs hotfixes. And what exactly did DF put out last year?
And according to this pretty site DF is EXTREMLY popular. Just look at all them hits they got... Nothing fishy there at all. Move along people... And DF has just as MO not done any advertisment. Both games are far from perfect. But there sure is alittle more sand in MOs box compared to DF. And I´m not the only one saying this. Sites as Sandboxer also ranks MO above DF there. Just on spot above, but still. I think it´s good both games lives. I hope they can inspire each other to do better.
Sandboxer lol....
"And what exactly did DF put out last year?"...i was pretty clear in stating they havnt released an expac in over a year...
Who are you kiddin here lol...DF has had 3 huge expacs in its lifetime...you can chuck a dart at any one of those 3 expacs and the content in it alone is far more than the total number of updates MO has received in its lifetime....
AV has been working on DF2.0 and has abandoned DF1.0 but lets not have any illusions here lol...your comparing MO to a game that has been abandoned by its own developers...When 2.0 comes out MO is going to lose those 60ish subs they took from DF and for the first few months DF will have a pop of atleast 300k+ (dont think it will be as big as the first launch)....
MO has never had anything close to the sub numbers DF has had and never will lol...
I didn´t know that you were one of these people that you predict the future. Had I known this I might have not said anything. Since you know EXACTLY what will happen once, if ever 2.0 gets out etc. I´m impressed.
Others, that live in the present and can only relate to this, gets that MO has more sand in it´s box then DF. You are one of them brave souls that thinks other, but it could be you mixing up your views and hopes of the future with what´s in the games at present. Ofc you will say that Sandboxer etc are wrong, cause you sit on the facts of the future. But let´s not talk about what will come just yet, cause if, and this is a big IF, DF 2.0 ever sees the light of day, time will have passed for SV and MO as well, and they will also, MAYBE, have put out things like the AI and GUI etc.
But really, I can´t talk to someone that has the power to see the future, cause I can´t. So I just have to step back and let "Nostradamus" have his way...
p.s Do you still call the content patches of TC, butchery, cooking/hunger system, horse DNA etc hotfixes? Gotcha... d.s
I didn´t know that you were one of these people that you predict the future. Had I known this I might have not said anything. Since you know EXACTLY what will happen once, if ever 2.0 gets out etc. I´m impressed.
Others, that live in the present and can only relate to this, gets that MO has more sand in it´s box then DF. You are one of them brave souls that thinks other, but it could be you mixing up your views and hopes of the future with what´s in the games at present. Ofc you will say that Sandboxer etc are wrong, cause you sit on the facts of the future. But let´s not talk about what will come just yet, cause if, and this is a big IF, DF 2.0 ever sees the light of day, time will have passed for SV and MO as well, and they will also, MAYBE, have put out things like the AI and GUI etc.
But really, I can´t talk to someone that has the power to see the future, cause I can´t. So I just have to step back and let "Nostradamus" have his way...
p.s Do you still call the content patches of TC, butchery, cooking/hunger system, horse DNA etc hotfixes? Gotcha... d.s
"I didn´t know that you were one of these people that you predict the future"... Well i used history to gauge DF2.0's launch...DF1.0 had a very successful launch and post launch...
"Ofc you will say that Sandboxer etc are wrong"...Never stated that either, i just simply laughed that you used that as some sort of credible source...remind me again wernt the total votes for each game under 100 votes per?....
"But let´s not talk about what will come just yet, cause if, and this is a big IF, DF 2.0 ever sees the light of day, time will have passed for SV and MO as well, and they will also, MAYBE, have put out things like the AI and GUI etc."...Beta is already announced for DF2.0....and MO doesnt have AI?...this is worst that i thought.
Do you still call the content patches of TC, butchery, cooking/hunger system, horse DNA etc hotfixes? Gotcha... Never stated this either... i said the majority of there updates were hot fixes...then hot fixes for hot fixes...But congrats on getting some tradeskills and im afraid to ask what horse DNA is but grats on that also...sounds like MO is getting close to being a full game...
p.s i hope MO does get better...hell i hope 1 day i find it playable since its what i generally want in an mmo, and your opionion is your own to have...but i strongly disagree
This is a really tough one for me. I'm currently playing SWTOR and enjoying it, but that being said, I can see myself quickly getting bored with its utter lack of sandbox features (before you say it, I know it's not a sandbox).
Darkfall Online to me was exciting... probably THE most immersive MMO I have played since Neocron. I loved the 'go anywhere', 'do anything' approach, but I only played the game for 3 months before quitting. Why did I quit? Because my entire guild macro'd their way to PvP viablity every single night. I had a go at doing the same, but quickly became frustrated after three months of play with the fact that I'd likely never be truly viable before the death of the game.
Again, I find it extremely depressing that the game demanded SO MUCH time. The atmosphere really immersed me, and I did in fact have more fun in DFO than I have had in any MMO since Neocron and SW:G.
Here's to hoping they fix the two things that are extremely broken in DF1.0 ; the requirement of magic, and the levelling system.
To answer your question, OP, I personally enjoyed MO, but that was an extreme finance/gear grind. Lots and lots of work required to buy armour, as you have to find someone to make it for you at a reasonable cost, and that often meant lots of travelling.
In my opions, both are great games with great potential, but both failed to fully realise that potential.
I didn´t know that you were one of these people that you predict the future. Had I known this I might have not said anything. Since you know EXACTLY what will happen once, if ever 2.0 gets out etc. I´m impressed.
Others, that live in the present and can only relate to this, gets that MO has more sand in it´s box then DF. You are one of them brave souls that thinks other, but it could be you mixing up your views and hopes of the future with what´s in the games at present. Ofc you will say that Sandboxer etc are wrong, cause you sit on the facts of the future. But let´s not talk about what will come just yet, cause if, and this is a big IF, DF 2.0 ever sees the light of day, time will have passed for SV and MO as well, and they will also, MAYBE, have put out things like the AI and GUI etc.
But really, I can´t talk to someone that has the power to see the future, cause I can´t. So I just have to step back and let "Nostradamus" have his way...
p.s Do you still call the content patches of TC, butchery, cooking/hunger system, horse DNA etc hotfixes? Gotcha... d.s
"I didn´t know that you were one of these people that you predict the future"... Well i used history to gauge DF2.0's launch...DF1.0 had a very successful launch and post launch...
"Ofc you will say that Sandboxer etc are wrong"...Never stated that either, i just simply laughed that you used that as some sort of credible source...remind me again wernt the total votes for each game under 100 votes per?....
"But let´s not talk about what will come just yet, cause if, and this is a big IF, DF 2.0 ever sees the light of day, time will have passed for SV and MO as well, and they will also, MAYBE, have put out things like the AI and GUI etc."...Beta is already announced for DF2.0....and MO doesnt have AI?...this is worst that i thought.
Do you still call the content patches of TC, butchery, cooking/hunger system, horse DNA etc hotfixes? Gotcha... Never stated this either... i said the majority of there updates were hot fixes...then hot fixes for hot fixes...But congrats on getting some tradeskills and im afraid to ask what horse DNA is but grats on that also...sounds like MO is getting close to being a full game...
p.s i hope MO does get better...hell i hope 1 day i find it playable since its what i generally want in an mmo, and your opionion is your own to have...but i strongly disagree
Well, you did say that "hotfixes doesn´t count as content". Doesn´t that mean that you think they only put out hotfixes the last year? That´s at least how I read it.
Also, don´t say to much with DF 2.0. They said it would be released last year, and we all saw how great that went. Til the BETA actually hits, we should be cautious in saying this time they will actually come through on what they promise. And OFC MO has AI, but they are working on improving their AI to populate the world with more creatures, that they already have designed etc. They are only waiting for the AI to get as good as they want to unleash them upon Nave. But just as with DF 2.0, we´ll have to wait and see when this will happen.
And lastly, DF post launch wasn´t all that ggreat now was it? When new people found out that they had to grind for a year or so to be competative, they game more or less ended up with a few hardcore players that stuck with it, and now are year+ ahead with grinding etc. In MO you at least can max out your character skills in a week if you know how to do it, and then you can focus on getting good at the actuall game, and not do mindless grinding to get competetive. Yes, you have to grind mats etc if you wanna go solo, but most people team up in MO, or join a guild. Once there, getting armor etc ain´t a problem any more.
But as I said, and that you also now say, I hope both games gets better. So at least we can agree on that.
I would say that atm MO has the lead on DF, that has more or less stood still the last year, and having the horrible grind and no skill cap is the real blow to me. If they would fix these issues with 2.0 then I could give it another chance. But I would like a wipe before that as well. But I guess 2.0 won´t come out til 2013, with the BETA starting this year. AV just as SV are a indie company, but at least SV put shit out, even though some are shit, they still do SOMETHING. I guess both these games could get spanked once Archage comes here, and if this new Fallen Thrones has something to say as well. Earthrise will also go F2P in april, and if they fix that games issues it could make a nice comeback. But we´ll see. Atm EVE rules the sandbox, but it´s to dull for me. I say MO leads atm. If barely over DF.
AV hasnt put out an expac in over a year and it still has released 5x times the content MO has....
Hotfixes dont count as content.
Ho please, everytime MO release something, new bugs gets in and it gets even more imbalanced.
There's also something you guys are not aware of. DF is an unknown game. Ask anyone if he know what DF is. He wont know what it is cuz there's 0 ad for that game anywhere on the net. You have to be lucky to find the game. With that being said, DF currently got enough players and i'm sure they make enough profit since they dont spend money to advertise. Plus, its still 15 a month. Not 10, not 5, not free after 2 years, 3 years soon. The game is not dying.
Finally, once 2.0 breaks in, i'm sure a lot of players will come back and at this point, they will be confident enough to advertise their game to sell it in mass.
Its our opinion when we say DF is the best mmo. We are just tired of all these wow clones out there. As for EVE, they have more ads then DF and they did had a bad time too. Its been a long time since this game was release and it used to be bad too. DF just like EVE is simply growing up. You have to see the potential over what it currently is.
And according to this pretty site DF is EXTREMLY popular. Just look at all them hits they got... Nothing fishy there at all.
Somoene is obviously hacking the hit system for DF so it can always be 1st. Everyone know that.
I would say that atm MO has the lead on DF, that has more or less stood still the last year, and having the horrible grind and no skill cap is the real blow to me. If they would fix these issues with 2.0 then I could give it another chance. But I would like a wipe before that as well. But I guess 2.0 won´t come out til 2013, with the BETA starting this year. AV just as SV are a indie company, but at least SV put shit out, even though some are shit, they still do SOMETHING. I guess both these games could get spanked once Archage comes here, and if this new Fallen Thrones has something to say as well. Earthrise will also go F2P in april, and if they fix that games issues it could make a nice comeback. But we´ll see. Atm EVE rules the sandbox, but it´s to dull for me. I say MO leads atm. If barely over DF.
AV hasnt put out an expac in over a year and it still has released 5x times the content MO has....
Hotfixes dont count as content.
Ho please, everytime MO release something, new bugs gets in and it gets even more imbalanced.
There's also something you guys are not aware of. DF is an unknown game. Ask anyone if he know what DF is. He wont know what it is cuz there's 0 ad for that game anywhere on the net. You have to be lucky to find the game. With that being said, DF currently got enough players and i'm sure they make enough profit since they dont spend money to advertise. Plus, its still 15 a month. Not 10, not 5, not free after 2 years, 3 years soon. The game is not dying.
Finally, once 2.0 breaks in, i'm sure a lot of players will come back and at this point, they will be confident enough to advertise their game to sell it in mass.
Its our opinion when we say DF is the best mmo. We are just tired of all these wow clones out there. As for EVE, they have more ads then DF and they did had a bad time too. Its been a long time since this game was release and it used to be bad too. DF just like EVE is simply growing up. You have to see the potential over what it currently is.
And according to this pretty site DF is EXTREMLY popular. Just look at all them hits they got... Nothing fishy there at all.
Somoene is obviously hacking the hit system for DF so it can always be 1st. Everyone know that.
Well I know that. Therefor I wrote "Nothing fishy there at all". I was being ironic... But I do wonder if MMORPG can´t do something about this, cause it sure is hacking in work here. But some fans for DF sure are hardcore. :P
Well said for those who claim that the horrible grind, macroing and the fact that it takes a year to be viable(less then that) Is the reason this game is not populated enough. Only the hardcore korean grinders can survive.
If you are good as a player, you can still go destroyer, but you will never beat a mage 1on1 wise if you're not rich. You can still contribute a lot if you focus on players with staves equipped. The real problem is the fact that 1 can become a master of everything and you are forced to be hybrid.
2.0 will change all that. It probably wont take more then 1 month to max a character into viability because everyone will be limited. Most tedious skills to grind while only AFK(macroing) will be removed.
The only reason i still play DF, is because i managed to grind during the weekend x4 exp event. If you were online during these 3 weekend days, you would easily be at a level where you could beat a veteran.
Now, on MO and their small patched: LMAO!!! All they do is fixing the feature that already exist before they deploy them. DF already have everything set so thats why they dont need to add any new feature, only fixes(They are slow at that tho). Its also unfair cuz DF is a huge world, bigger then any other mmo.(Not bigger then EVE and WW2) The fact that its a huge world is the reason its so empty(with no ad, ofcourse it is).
The real truth: They released DF way too early. They are stuck with what they released. So at this point, they are working on 2.0 more then 1.0. EVE didnt had the same problem cuz apprently, some developers worked on that game without getting payed only to make a perfect game. Not everyone are willing to work at these condition.
My opinion is... even Mortal Online is better than DF
In my opinion it really isn't. DF is a polished product compared to MO.
This is any sane persons opinion. Currently I play neither DFO or MO but if I had a gun to my head and was forced to choose I'd play DFO. I'd likely play FFXIV before I'd play MO again lol.
Dawntide perhaps,it's in beta.Dawntide's world is being redone right now,and i hope it's for the better.I loved playing DF,i loved the freedom of the game.I could care less about PVP though.To me a sandbox mmo shouldn't emphasize one area of gameplay over another.
Step 1: Print out the games list found here on MMORPG.com
Step 2: Tack the list to the wall in a pretty mosaic
Step 3: Play Pin the Tail on the Donkey using the above mosaic
Step 4: Enjoy the game that is better than DF, that was chosen using the aforementioned method
Romp
Step 5: eleminate every clones of the template you dislike.
For exemple, if you hate wow, eleminate 99% of the mmo's that are just like this game in the market. At this point, you should have really few mmo's to check. Make sure it cost per month cuz i doubt a F2P game could be the best.
Step 5: eleminate every clones of the template you dislike.
For exemple, if you hate wow, eleminate 99% of the mmo's that are just like this game in the market. At this point, you should have really few mmo's to check. Make sure it cost per month cuz i doubt a F2P game could be the best.
[Mod Edit] I for one rather have fun while playing a game.
Well said for those who claim that the horrible grind, macroing and the fact that it takes a year to be viable(less then that) Is the reason this game is not populated enough. Only the hardcore korean grinders can survive.
If you are good as a player, you can still go destroyer, but you will never beat a mage 1on1 wise if you're not rich. You can still contribute a lot if you focus on players with staves equipped. The real problem is the fact that 1 can become a master of everything and you are forced to be hybrid. 2.0 will change all that. It probably wont take more then 1 month to max a character into viability because everyone will be limited. Most tedious skills to grind while only AFK(macroing) will be removed. The only reason i still play DF, is because i managed to grind during the weekend x4 exp event. If you were online during these 3 weekend days, you would easily be at a level where you could beat a veteran.
Now, on MO and their small patched: LMAO!!! All they do is fixing the feature that already exist before they deploy them. DF already have everything set so thats why they dont need to add any new feature, only fixes(They are slow at that tho). Its also unfair cuz DF is a huge world, bigger then any other mmo.(Not bigger then EVE and WW2) The fact that its a huge world is the reason its so empty(with no ad, ofcourse it is). The real truth: They released DF way too early. They are stuck with what they released. So at this point, they are working on 2.0 more then 1.0. EVE didnt had the same problem cuz apprently, some developers worked on that game without getting payed only to make a perfect game. Not everyone are willing to work at these condition.
Wow... If you think that DF has everything set to be a truly great sandbox, then you can't like sandbox games. Their TW system is even worse then MOs, but SV at least are working on improving theirs all the time, while AV has done neither Jack or shit with theirs. I do agree that the world in DF is huge. But boy is it one big boring and ugly world to ride through. But really, if you think DF is all set, then I'm out of words. I sure hope SV and AV will bring more sand to their boxes, but atm MO has more then DF.
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Darkfall has left so many players scorn from failure....
No you didnt flunk out.....the game just sucked...so you left....
Whatever helps you sleep at night i guess.
Went to it, was extreamly dissapointed in it, left it. Not been back since (like several other big dissapointing games). So in the past 5yrs there have been 2 games in my opinion that were worth playing (however both have dropped down alot and 1 has dropped into obscruity when it went f2p which was lotro. The other is #1 still (unfortunatly), and has a 4th expansion comming out which is not really dinging my ding a ling at all, in fact warning bells are going off instead.
The real question should be, "What modern mmo isn't better then Darkfall?" Since we know that most are better I will say that at least DF is better then MO.
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I would not say MO is better than DF or DF is better than MO. They are both games that pretend they are sandboxes. When all they are is team deathmatch games. Both suffer from low dismal pops. And no real sandbox tools. They are illusions of a sandbox.
But I will say that the pve and exploring is better in DF. MO's exploring is looking at scenary with no dungeons and terrible PVE and terrible AI. They are "currently" working on the AI and PVE but they have been working on it since release.
If you are looking for a sandbox play EVE.
I would say that atm MO has the lead on DF, that has more or less stood still the last year, and having the horrible grind and no skill cap is the real blow to me. If they would fix these issues with 2.0 then I could give it another chance. But I would like a wipe before that as well. But I guess 2.0 won´t come out til 2013, with the BETA starting this year. AV just as SV are a indie company, but at least SV put shit out, even though some are shit, they still do SOMETHING. I guess both these games could get spanked once Archage comes here, and if this new Fallen Thrones has something to say as well. Earthrise will also go F2P in april, and if they fix that games issues it could make a nice comeback. But we´ll see. Atm EVE rules the sandbox, but it´s to dull for me. I say MO leads atm. If barely over DF.
AV hasnt put out an expac in over a year and it still has released 5x times the content MO has....
Hotfixes dont count as content.
Ho please, everytime MO release something, new bugs gets in and it gets even more imbalanced.
There's also something you guys are not aware of. DF is an unknown game. Ask anyone if he know what DF is. He wont know what it is cuz there's 0 ad for that game anywhere on the net. You have to be lucky to find the game. With that being said, DF currently got enough players and i'm sure they make enough profit since they dont spend money to advertise. Plus, its still 15 a month. Not 10, not 5, not free after 2 years, 3 years soon. The game is not dying.
Finally, once 2.0 breaks in, i'm sure a lot of players will come back and at this point, they will be confident enough to advertise their game to sell it in mass.
Its our opinion when we say DF is the best mmo. We are just tired of all these wow clones out there. As for EVE, they have more ads then DF and they did had a bad time too. Its been a long time since this game was release and it used to be bad too. DF just like EVE is simply growing up. You have to see the potential over what it currently is.
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Hotfixes my *ss. OK, there been hotfixes after patches to fix bugs etc, but at least they put out hotfixes ASAP once they see things are broke. And calling the butcher, cooking, food/hunger system, TC etc for hotfixes clearly shows you have no freaking clue to what content is vs hotfixes. And what exactly did DF put out last year?
And according to this pretty site DF is EXTREMLY popular. Just look at all them hits they got... Nothing fishy there at all. Move along people... And DF has just as MO not done any advertisment. Both games are far from perfect. But there sure is alittle more sand in MOs box compared to DF. And I´m not the only one saying this. Sites as Sandboxer also ranks MO above DF there. Just on spot above, but still. I think it´s good both games lives. I hope they can inspire each other to do better.
Sandboxer lol....
"And what exactly did DF put out last year?"...i was pretty clear in stating they havnt released an expac in over a year...
Who are you kiddin here lol...DF has had 3 huge expacs in its lifetime...you can chuck a dart at any one of those 3 expacs and the content in it alone is far more than the total number of updates MO has received in its lifetime....
AV has been working on DF2.0 and has abandoned DF1.0 but lets not have any illusions here lol...your comparing MO to a game that has been abandoned by its own developers...When 2.0 comes out MO is going to lose those 60ish subs they took from DF and for the first few months DF will have a pop of atleast 300k+ (dont think it will be as big as the first launch)....
MO has never had anything close to the sub numbers DF has had and never will lol...
I didn´t know that you were one of these people that you predict the future. Had I known this I might have not said anything. Since you know EXACTLY what will happen once, if ever 2.0 gets out etc. I´m impressed.
Others, that live in the present and can only relate to this, gets that MO has more sand in it´s box then DF. You are one of them brave souls that thinks other, but it could be you mixing up your views and hopes of the future with what´s in the games at present. Ofc you will say that Sandboxer etc are wrong, cause you sit on the facts of the future. But let´s not talk about what will come just yet, cause if, and this is a big IF, DF 2.0 ever sees the light of day, time will have passed for SV and MO as well, and they will also, MAYBE, have put out things like the AI and GUI etc.
But really, I can´t talk to someone that has the power to see the future, cause I can´t. So I just have to step back and let "Nostradamus" have his way...
p.s Do you still call the content patches of TC, butchery, cooking/hunger system, horse DNA etc hotfixes? Gotcha... d.s
"I didn´t know that you were one of these people that you predict the future"... Well i used history to gauge DF2.0's launch...DF1.0 had a very successful launch and post launch...
"Ofc you will say that Sandboxer etc are wrong"...Never stated that either, i just simply laughed that you used that as some sort of credible source...remind me again wernt the total votes for each game under 100 votes per?....
"But let´s not talk about what will come just yet, cause if, and this is a big IF, DF 2.0 ever sees the light of day, time will have passed for SV and MO as well, and they will also, MAYBE, have put out things like the AI and GUI etc."...Beta is already announced for DF2.0....and MO doesnt have AI?...this is worst that i thought.
Do you still call the content patches of TC, butchery, cooking/hunger system, horse DNA etc hotfixes? Gotcha... Never stated this either... i said the majority of there updates were hot fixes...then hot fixes for hot fixes...But congrats on getting some tradeskills and im afraid to ask what horse DNA is but grats on that also...sounds like MO is getting close to being a full game...
p.s i hope MO does get better...hell i hope 1 day i find it playable since its what i generally want in an mmo, and your opionion is your own to have...but i strongly disagree
Try Fallen Earth. It's free to play and sandbox
This is a really tough one for me. I'm currently playing SWTOR and enjoying it, but that being said, I can see myself quickly getting bored with its utter lack of sandbox features (before you say it, I know it's not a sandbox).
Darkfall Online to me was exciting... probably THE most immersive MMO I have played since Neocron. I loved the 'go anywhere', 'do anything' approach, but I only played the game for 3 months before quitting. Why did I quit? Because my entire guild macro'd their way to PvP viablity every single night. I had a go at doing the same, but quickly became frustrated after three months of play with the fact that I'd likely never be truly viable before the death of the game.
Again, I find it extremely depressing that the game demanded SO MUCH time. The atmosphere really immersed me, and I did in fact have more fun in DFO than I have had in any MMO since Neocron and SW:G.
Here's to hoping they fix the two things that are extremely broken in DF1.0 ; the requirement of magic, and the levelling system.
To answer your question, OP, I personally enjoyed MO, but that was an extreme finance/gear grind. Lots and lots of work required to buy armour, as you have to find someone to make it for you at a reasonable cost, and that often meant lots of travelling.
In my opions, both are great games with great potential, but both failed to fully realise that potential.
I hope Archeage/The Repopulation get it right.
Well, you did say that "hotfixes doesn´t count as content". Doesn´t that mean that you think they only put out hotfixes the last year? That´s at least how I read it.
Also, don´t say to much with DF 2.0. They said it would be released last year, and we all saw how great that went. Til the BETA actually hits, we should be cautious in saying this time they will actually come through on what they promise. And OFC MO has AI, but they are working on improving their AI to populate the world with more creatures, that they already have designed etc. They are only waiting for the AI to get as good as they want to unleash them upon Nave. But just as with DF 2.0, we´ll have to wait and see when this will happen.
And lastly, DF post launch wasn´t all that ggreat now was it? When new people found out that they had to grind for a year or so to be competative, they game more or less ended up with a few hardcore players that stuck with it, and now are year+ ahead with grinding etc. In MO you at least can max out your character skills in a week if you know how to do it, and then you can focus on getting good at the actuall game, and not do mindless grinding to get competetive. Yes, you have to grind mats etc if you wanna go solo, but most people team up in MO, or join a guild. Once there, getting armor etc ain´t a problem any more.
But as I said, and that you also now say, I hope both games gets better. So at least we can agree on that.
Somoene is obviously hacking the hit system for DF so it can always be 1st. Everyone know that.
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Well I know that. Therefor I wrote "Nothing fishy there at all". I was being ironic... But I do wonder if MMORPG can´t do something about this, cause it sure is hacking in work here. But some fans for DF sure are hardcore. :P
Well said for those who claim that the horrible grind, macroing and the fact that it takes a year to be viable(less then that) Is the reason this game is not populated enough. Only the hardcore korean grinders can survive.
If you are good as a player, you can still go destroyer, but you will never beat a mage 1on1 wise if you're not rich. You can still contribute a lot if you focus on players with staves equipped. The real problem is the fact that 1 can become a master of everything and you are forced to be hybrid.
2.0 will change all that. It probably wont take more then 1 month to max a character into viability because everyone will be limited. Most tedious skills to grind while only AFK(macroing) will be removed.
The only reason i still play DF, is because i managed to grind during the weekend x4 exp event. If you were online during these 3 weekend days, you would easily be at a level where you could beat a veteran.
Now, on MO and their small patched: LMAO!!! All they do is fixing the feature that already exist before they deploy them. DF already have everything set so thats why they dont need to add any new feature, only fixes(They are slow at that tho). Its also unfair cuz DF is a huge world, bigger then any other mmo.(Not bigger then EVE and WW2) The fact that its a huge world is the reason its so empty(with no ad, ofcourse it is).
The real truth: They released DF way too early. They are stuck with what they released. So at this point, they are working on 2.0 more then 1.0. EVE didnt had the same problem cuz apprently, some developers worked on that game without getting payed only to make a perfect game. Not everyone are willing to work at these condition.
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In my opinion it really isn't. DF is a polished product compared to MO.
This is any sane persons opinion. Currently I play neither DFO or MO but if I had a gun to my head and was forced to choose I'd play DFO. I'd likely play FFXIV before I'd play MO again lol.
Dawntide perhaps,it's in beta.Dawntide's world is being redone right now,and i hope it's for the better.I loved playing DF,i loved the freedom of the game.I could care less about PVP though.To me a sandbox mmo shouldn't emphasize one area of gameplay over another.
Step 1: Print out the games list found here on MMORPG.com
Step 2: Tack the list to the wall in a pretty mosaic
Step 3: Play Pin the Tail on the Donkey using the above mosaic
Step 4: Enjoy the game that is better than DF, that was chosen using the aforementioned method
Romp
Step 5: eleminate every clones of the template you dislike.
For exemple, if you hate wow, eleminate 99% of the mmo's that are just like this game in the market. At this point, you should have really few mmo's to check. Make sure it cost per month cuz i doubt a F2P game could be the best.
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[Mod Edit] I for one rather have fun while playing a game.
Wow... If you think that DF has everything set to be a truly great sandbox, then you can't like sandbox games. Their TW system is even worse then MOs, but SV at least are working on improving theirs all the time, while AV has done neither Jack or shit with theirs. I do agree that the world in DF is huge. But boy is it one big boring and ugly world to ride through. But really, if you think DF is all set, then I'm out of words. I sure hope SV and AV will bring more sand to their boxes, but atm MO has more then DF.