your just evading my question. I know what you meant and thus I stand by what I have said".
There you say I avoid a question and that you understand what I ment, and that you love cartoons. Still can´t find the question, so I guess you didn´t have one, cause I sure couldn´t find it from scrolling back.
1. the evading the question statement is NULL and VOID now that we both understand that I understood your orginal statement. the statement around 'evading' was somewhere (and now hench forgotten exactly where) around the subject of that misunderstanding. So for clarity lets move on.
2. The entire problem with is darkfall 1 going to be shut down or not is 1. nobody knows for sure so its wise to not assume as fact. and 2. even if it did shut down its horrible evidence that the game is not well recieved..why? because if you are a small company you might not want to run two games at once. you might want to take feedback from the past 3 years and make a better game. Its shaky to suggest that as evidence that the orginal game was bad.
Well, most things with it was bad design. I mean, seriously. Do you think the no skill cap and HORRIBLE grind was good? Seriously? The PVP was good. No doubt about that. But that´s not where the problem is. It´s the freaking no skill cap and grind that scares every possible new player looooong away from this game. I sure hope they fix this with 2.0. And who would like to play a sucky version of DF when there might be a better one? Well probably only those few at the very top. That put in months to macroing their character up. The rest will pray to GOD that AV don´t f*ck it up once more. I sure hope they do fix things with DF 2.0. But the track record for AV ain´t to good, and who knows when it will actually get out. If ever.
you are stating a lot of things that one might suggest are opinion not fact. would that be out of line for me to suggest?
do I agree it was bad design? compared to all other mmos...no
if you for a momment, just a breif momment, remove the desire to win at pvp and start to look at every single solitary aspect of the game EXECPT for someone beating you at pvp because they cheat, would you disagree that ALL other aspects of the game totally and completely kick A$$ execpt for that one single problem?
Correct me if I´m wrong, but I think it was our pal Tasos admitted that they made a wrong decision going with no skill cap. But it was to close to release to fix it, so they went with it either way, and then they were screwed.
And compared to every other MMO it still is BAD to have no skill cap. Now everyone in the game is a magemeleearcherhealertankshipbuildertailorarmorweaponcraftercook. Yeah, that´s REALLY good right?
And sad to say, but DF just as MO is mostly a PVP arena, but MO has SOME things that make it ALITTLE more of a sandbox. But still, none of them have gotten to the point to be called more then a PVP death match arena.
Did you just say DF's graphics were amazing for the time? I say a big no....
A lot of the other stuff was opinion, guess that could be too, but no matter how well intentioned or thought out something is, when you fail to deliver it in a good way, and people form a negative opinion of something, its nearly impossible, even if you fix most of the problems to right the ship...
My example is Vanguard, very bad problems, but they had eventually fixed a lot of the problems, and came out with raiding content that was fairly good, it had good classes, a pvp server, non-instanced housing, you could craft tons of things and it was a good system that made crafting stay viable, even with raiding (used some raid components to do so)...If it had released in the state it was when SoE had stopped supporting it much, it would of been a big hit imo...The damage was done though.
I was playin EQ2 when Darkfall came out and in both cases I could crank up both graphics pretty high. In my view, darkfall is HUGELY better than EQ2 when it comes to graphics HOWEVER, most of that is in design choices. The world is Darkfall just feels more real to me compared to EQ2.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Correct me if I´m wrong, but I think it was our pal Tasos admitted that they made a wrong decision going with no skill cap. But it was to close to release to fix it, so they went with it either way, and then they were screwed.
And compared to every other MMO it still is BAD to have no skill cap. Now everyone in the game is a magemeleearcherhealertankshipbuildertailorarmorweaponcraftercook. Yeah, that´s REALLY good right?
And sad to say, but DF just as MO is mostly a PVP arena, but MO has SOME things that make it ALITTLE more of a sandbox. But still, none of them have gotten to the point to be called more then a PVP death match arena.
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I really dont understand gamers who will judge the entire game based on there being a skill cap or not.
That said, in all fairness I will immediately judge a game as bad if the graphics do not agree with me.
I think the difference here are two different types of gamers.
gamer 1: doesnt care at all what the enviroment of the game is like just as long as he can realistically compete with others and win at least a good amount of time and all without putting to much effort into it.
gamer 2: doesnt care about winning at all, just cares about immersion.
gamer 1 has a hard time with darkfall
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Did you just say DF's graphics were amazing for the time? I say a big no....
A lot of the other stuff was opinion, guess that could be too, but no matter how well intentioned or thought out something is, when you fail to deliver it in a good way, and people form a negative opinion of something, its nearly impossible, even if you fix most of the problems to right the ship...
My example is Vanguard, very bad problems, but they had eventually fixed a lot of the problems, and came out with raiding content that was fairly good, it had good classes, a pvp server, non-instanced housing, you could craft tons of things and it was a good system that made crafting stay viable, even with raiding (used some raid components to do so)...If it had released in the state it was when SoE had stopped supporting it much, it would of been a big hit imo...The damage was done though.
I was playin EQ2 when Darkfall came out and in both cases I could crank up both graphics pretty high. In my view, darkfall is HUGELY better than EQ2 when it comes to graphics HOWEVER, most of that is in design choices. The world is Darkfall just feels more real to me compared to EQ2.
Ok, I would consider that graphic style...Yes, DF had a more realistic graphic style...I agree with that.
was the pve untouched by any other MMO out there? totally
How can you type that with a straight face?
yes the PVE in Darkfall is completely amazingly good. I love it!
I should be clear I am comparing only to other MMO's
what PvE?
and how much do you get payed by AV to post here?
ok lets step back a second.
Everquest 2 PVE: click on monster, throw spells all PVE comes to where you are. Day or night doesnt matter
Darkfall: aim at monster, shoot arrow, here they come, oh wait they moved to get there friends, look out they are bring more, wait they why are they not moving in a straight line damn i have to aim what the h*ll is up with that!? oh you mean I can actually sneak up on the PVE, you mean they respond to noise and its different at night? yes.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
was the pve untouched by any other MMO out there? totally
How can you type that with a straight face?
yes the PVE in Darkfall is completely amazingly good. I love it!
I should be clear I am comparing only to other MMO's
what PvE?
and how much do you get payed by AV to post here?
ok lets step back a second.
Everquest 2 PVE: click on monster, throw spells all PVE comes to where you are. Day or night doesnt matter
Darkfall: aim at monster, shoot arrow, here they come, oh wait they moved to get there friends, look out they are bring more, wait they why are they not moving in a straight line damn i have to aim what the h*ll is up with that!? oh you mean I can actually sneak up on the PVE, you mean they respond to noise and its different at night? yes.
Hate to tell ya, but your speaking of the AI there. Not the PVE.
was the pve untouched by any other MMO out there? totally
How can you type that with a straight face?
yes the PVE in Darkfall is completely amazingly good. I love it!
I should be clear I am comparing only to other MMO's
what PvE?
and how much do you get payed by AV to post here?
ok lets step back a second.
Everquest 2 PVE: click on monster, throw spells all PVE comes to where you are. Day or night doesnt matter
Darkfall: aim at monster, shoot arrow, here they come, oh wait they moved to get there friends, look out they are bring more, wait they why are they not moving in a straight line damn i have to aim what the h*ll is up with that!? oh you mean I can actually sneak up on the PVE, you mean they respond to noise and its different at night? yes.
Hate to tell ya, but your speaking of the AI there. Not the PVE.
oh really? do explain that in detail I am intrested in learning the difference. please explain
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
When one talks about PVE do people really think we are talking about its character model or loot?
really?
The PVE still sux. It´s your average go kill 5 goblins and get ganked while doing it. It´s beyond bad and boring as hell. Yeah, it´s my opinion, and one that I think I share with everyone except the fanbois. We all know what category you belong to.
Everquest 2 PVE: click on monster, throw spells all PVE comes to where you are. Day or night doesnt matter
Darkfall: aim at monster, shoot arrow, here they come, oh wait they moved to get there friends, look out they are bring more, wait they why are they not moving in a straight line damn i have to aim what the h*ll is up with that!? oh you mean I can actually sneak up on the PVE, you mean they respond to noise and its different at night? yes.
not even going to argue
you're too far gone on this game and how it's "just like skyrim MMO!"
It's not a bad game, but if you can't see the flaws in it than AV has you right where they want you
Everquest 2 PVE: click on monster, throw spells all PVE comes to where you are. Day or night doesnt matter
Darkfall: aim at monster, shoot arrow, here they come, oh wait they moved to get there friends, look out they are bring more, wait they why are they not moving in a straight line damn i have to aim what the h*ll is up with that!? oh you mean I can actually sneak up on the PVE, you mean they respond to noise and its different at night? yes.
not even going to argue
you're too far gone on this game and how it's "just like skyrim MMO!"
It's not a bad game, but if you can't see the flaws in it than AV has you right where they want you
ok you and I were talking about pve. now we seem to be talking about the entire game or the company or something not completely sure actually
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
When one talks about PVE do people really think we are talking about its character model or loot?
really?
The PVE still sux. It´s your average go kill 5 goblins and get ganked while doing it. It´s beyond bad and boring as hell. Yeah, it´s my opinion, and one that I think I share with everyone except the fanbois. We all know what category you belong to.
you are basically saying that you find the PVE in lets say Everquest 2 more fun than the PVE in Darkfall.
I think that is the most insane thing I have ever heard of but as you say, its all just opinions
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
no, silence on the forums doesnt mean you can take say that Darkfall 1 will be shut down as a fact to base your arguements.
sorry
just like 'no one lives forever 2' and 'oblivon' both look like cartoons...NO!!!!!
Other things many were completely positive would become fact that didnt.
1. That Darkfall 1 would never come out. [they were wrong] But it took them next to forever to deliver (5-8+ years depending who you believe) and the launch is considered one of the worst ones in MMO history.
2. That Darkfall 1 wouldnt last a year [they were wrong] They did surprise me with this, but they couldn't hold on to their population or grow the game. Can't say any other title did better, but this was not really a major win.
3. That mortal online would release much better as a game than Darkfall [they were wrong] Naw, they went into release much much worse than DF, remember the the early waves and all that found themselves in a alpha game.
4. That mortal online would quickly bury Darkfall [they were wrong] Only MO fanbois believed that, but then again both titles pretty much have one foot in the grave.
So I would be careful to use assumptions as facts.
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no, silence on the forums doesnt mean you can take say that Darkfall 1 will be shut down as a fact to base your arguements.
sorry
just like 'no one lives forever 2' and 'oblivon' both look like cartoons...NO!!!!!
Other things many were completely positive would become fact that didnt.
1. That Darkfall 1 would never come out. [they were wrong] But it took them next to forever to deliver (5-8+ years depending who you believe) and the launch is considered one of the worst ones in MMO history.
People said 'IT WILL NEVER COME OUT' they did NOT say 'but if it does come out many years from now that validates our statement of it will never come out' that doesnt even make sense in the most bizzare of parrellel universe's. Infactic statements of 'it will never come out' mean exactly that, not something else.
2. That Darkfall 1 wouldnt last a year [they were wrong] They did surprise me with this, but they couldn't hold on to their population or grow the game. Can't say any other title did better, but this was not really a major win.
Might not have surprised you but during those days on the forums by far most posts at min. implied if not explictly stated that the game was going to die very soon.
3. That mortal online would release much better as a game than Darkfall [they were wrong] Naw, they went into release much much worse than DF, remember the the early waves and all that found themselves in a alpha game.
During the days of pre-MO release the darkfall forums were filled with tons of posts talking about how great MO was and it wasnt even out yet!
4. That mortal online would quickly bury Darkfall [they were wrong] Only MO fanbois believed that, but then again both titles pretty much have one foot in the grave.
Tons of them were forum posters on darkfall forums, we never heard the end of MO during those days and here I might add
So I would be careful to use assumptions as facts.
So again, I stand by what I said. TONS of forum posters here and on the darkfall forums often predicted things that they stated would be facts that never came to pass.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
no, silence on the forums doesnt mean you can take say that Darkfall 1 will be shut down as a fact to base your arguements.
sorry
just like 'no one lives forever 2' and 'oblivon' both look like cartoons...NO!!!!!
Other things many were completely positive would become fact that didnt.
1. That Darkfall 1 would never come out. [they were wrong] But it took them next to forever to deliver (5-8+ years depending who you believe) and the launch is considered one of the worst ones in MMO history.
People said 'IT WILL NEVER COME OUT' they did NOT say 'but if it does come out many years from now that validates our statement of it will never come out' that doesnt even make sense in the most bizzare of parrellel universe's. Infactic statements of 'it will never come out' mean exactly that, not something else.
2. That Darkfall 1 wouldnt last a year [they were wrong] They did surprise me with this, but they couldn't hold on to their population or grow the game. Can't say any other title did better, but this was not really a major win.
Might not have surprised you but during those days on the forums by far most posts at min. implied if not explictly stated that the game was going to die very soon.
3. That mortal online would release much better as a game than Darkfall [they were wrong] Naw, they went into release much much worse than DF, remember the the early waves and all that found themselves in a alpha game.
During the days of pre-MO release the darkfall forums were filled with tons of posts talking about how great MO was and it wasnt even out yet!
4. That mortal online would quickly bury Darkfall [they were wrong] Only MO fanbois believed that, but then again both titles pretty much have one foot in the grave.
Tons of them were forum posters on darkfall forums, we never heard the end of MO during those days and here I might add
So I would be careful to use assumptions as facts.
So again, I stand by what I said. TONS of forum posters here and on the darkfall forums often predicted things that they stated would be facts that never came to pass.
It's nothing to be proud of to be in development for 11 years only to be met with a terrible failure. I think it would've been best if they would've dropped this game entirely, instead of releasing such as mess and ruining their reputations for future games.
Til' this day, I still laugh at the post of one of those devs making about using XML files to configure their entire game. Those poor wannabe developers... =*(
It's nothing to be proud of to be in development for 11 years only to be met with a terrible failure. I think it would've been best if they would've dropped this game entirely, instead of releasing such as mess and ruining their reputations for future games.
Darkfall is the best MMO experience I have had by far. Both PVE and PVP. I wouldn't consider that a failure at all when they have earned the money back which was put into the game without advertisment and also while having troll infested forums, terrible reviews, harsh nooby experience, problematic launch, whiny community, and the average gamers that are too afraid to try a FFA PVP full-loot game. This isn't Blizzard. This isn't SOE. This is a small team with little experience but a big dream who made it happen without the things that most companies say are required to create an MMORPG. I consider it a success since they have provided me with an experience and stories to tell that nobody else will ever get to experience because everyone's history is different.
Originally posted by Xthos
My example is Vanguard, very bad problems, but they had eventually fixed a lot of the problems, and came out with raiding content that was fairly good, it had good classes, a pvp server, non-instanced housing, you could craft tons of things and it was a good system that made crafting stay viable, even with raiding (used some raid components to do so)...If it had released in the state it was when SoE had stopped supporting it much, it would of been a big hit imo...The damage was done though.
I played Vanguard's FFA PVP server during beta and launch. I must say that Vanguard felt abandoned by SOE because they seemed to pull the plug on development and only kept a large enough crew to work out the bugs. Did Vanguard come out with an expansion? Not during the few years that I played it. They took years to fix some broken bugs that ruined PVP and they were not even fixes but more like bandaids. As a player of both games I would have to say that I have a lot more faith in AV than SOE because they have less money and are a smaller company but communicated more than SOE did (which can be bad because people get over-hyped) and fixed the game-breaking bugs faster which seemed like half the time that it would have taken SOE and most importantly they released a few expansions that added a lot of content to the game. Sure a lot of things could have been done to improve Darkfall and I am sure that they have made some mistakes that they would have done differently if they could do it again but SOE didn't even seem to care that the PVP was totally inbalanced and broken. I had to reroll characters in Vanguard because several classes were completely useless for PVP.
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by JuJutsu
was the pve untouched by any other MMO out there? totally
How can you type that with a straight face?
yes the PVE in Darkfall is completely amazingly good. I love it!
I should be clear I am comparing only to other MMO's
No I do not think that PVE is better in other MMORPGs when watching my character stand still and create floating numbers coming from a monster as I rotate through the same spells and skills over and over again. Mob AI is important to me and so is not seeing red circles floating around dangerous monsters or floating names and numbers. In Darkfall mobs actually have senses. They heal eachother and drink potions and hide behind things and can be controlled by GMs.
Originally posted by 77lolmac77
you're too far gone on this game and how it's "just like skyrim MMO!"
I am sorry that you haven't played Darkfall enough to know this but Skyrim's combat totally sucks compared to Darkfall's. I am totally in love with all of the Elder Scroll games and they are actually my favorite when it comes to single-player RPGs and enjoy them much more than most people seem to. Since Skyrim has come out though I have found myself logging into Darkfall more often because its really made me appreciate it more. My Skyrim character is pretty noob and I have only spent about 60 hours playing it so far (thats not a lot in that game because its so cool) but I find myself logging into Darkfall instead. Why is that? Well you would have to play Darkfall long enough to have your controls fully customized to understand that but basically it comes down to the combat being much funner . ... even the PVE combat is better in Darkfall because in Skyrim you cannot customize your controls as much and are forced to only use 8 buttons for your favorite spells/skills and often pause the game during combat to do things like drink a dozen potions. The quests and how you permanently change things in Skyrim are better than Darkfall but thats about it besides being able to remove the clothing of dead women and position them in naughty positions before raising their corpses to serve you (I love that game lol).
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I was playin EQ2 when Darkfall came out and in both cases I could crank up both graphics pretty high. In my view, darkfall is HUGELY better than EQ2 when it comes to graphics HOWEVER, most of that is in design choices. The world is Darkfall just feels more real to me compared to EQ2.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
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was the pve untouched by any other MMO out there? totally
How can you type that with a straight face?
I really dont understand gamers who will judge the entire game based on there being a skill cap or not.
That said, in all fairness I will immediately judge a game as bad if the graphics do not agree with me.
I think the difference here are two different types of gamers.
gamer 1: doesnt care at all what the enviroment of the game is like just as long as he can realistically compete with others and win at least a good amount of time and all without putting to much effort into it.
gamer 2: doesnt care about winning at all, just cares about immersion.
gamer 1 has a hard time with darkfall
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yes the PVE in Darkfall is completely amazingly good. I love it!
I should be clear I am comparing only to other MMO's
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Ok, I would consider that graphic style...Yes, DF had a more realistic graphic style...I agree with that.
Yeah, go kill 5 Goblins is SOOO innovating!!!!! :P
what PvE?
and how much do you get payed by AV to post here?
I start to wonder this as well. The PVE in DF is standard at most... And it sux.
ok lets step back a second.
Everquest 2 PVE: click on monster, throw spells all PVE comes to where you are. Day or night doesnt matter
Darkfall: aim at monster, shoot arrow, here they come, oh wait they moved to get there friends, look out they are bring more, wait they why are they not moving in a straight line damn i have to aim what the h*ll is up with that!? oh you mean I can actually sneak up on the PVE, you mean they respond to noise and its different at night? yes.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Hate to tell ya, but your speaking of the AI there. Not the PVE.
oh really? do explain that in detail I am intrested in learning the difference. please explain
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PVE vs AI:
PVE = graphics model, AI, loot
When one talks about PVE do people really think we are talking about its character model or loot?
really?
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Please do not respond to me
The PVE still sux. It´s your average go kill 5 goblins and get ganked while doing it. It´s beyond bad and boring as hell. Yeah, it´s my opinion, and one that I think I share with everyone except the fanbois. We all know what category you belong to.
not even going to argue
you're too far gone on this game and how it's "just like skyrim MMO!"
It's not a bad game, but if you can't see the flaws in it than AV has you right where they want you
ok you and I were talking about pve. now we seem to be talking about the entire game or the company or something not completely sure actually
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you are basically saying that you find the PVE in lets say Everquest 2 more fun than the PVE in Darkfall.
I think that is the most insane thing I have ever heard of but as you say, its all just opinions
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Arguing if DF or MO is better or who will bury who reminds me of an old proverb: "In the kingdom of the blind, the one eyed man is king!
A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true...
I feel like the lion on this video with the little girl being various gamer internet trolls
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01ialrOv0R0
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So you feel helpless and the object of amusement for the masses? What an odd thing to say...
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ROFLMAO. Indeed.
It's nothing to be proud of to be in development for 11 years only to be met with a terrible failure. I think it would've been best if they would've dropped this game entirely, instead of releasing such as mess and ruining their reputations for future games.
Til' this day, I still laugh at the post of one of those devs making about using XML files to configure their entire game. Those poor wannabe developers... =*(
Darkfall is the best MMO experience I have had by far. Both PVE and PVP. I wouldn't consider that a failure at all when they have earned the money back which was put into the game without advertisment and also while having troll infested forums, terrible reviews, harsh nooby experience, problematic launch, whiny community, and the average gamers that are too afraid to try a FFA PVP full-loot game. This isn't Blizzard. This isn't SOE. This is a small team with little experience but a big dream who made it happen without the things that most companies say are required to create an MMORPG. I consider it a success since they have provided me with an experience and stories to tell that nobody else will ever get to experience because everyone's history is different.
I played Vanguard's FFA PVP server during beta and launch. I must say that Vanguard felt abandoned by SOE because they seemed to pull the plug on development and only kept a large enough crew to work out the bugs. Did Vanguard come out with an expansion? Not during the few years that I played it. They took years to fix some broken bugs that ruined PVP and they were not even fixes but more like bandaids. As a player of both games I would have to say that I have a lot more faith in AV than SOE because they have less money and are a smaller company but communicated more than SOE did (which can be bad because people get over-hyped) and fixed the game-breaking bugs faster which seemed like half the time that it would have taken SOE and most importantly they released a few expansions that added a lot of content to the game. Sure a lot of things could have been done to improve Darkfall and I am sure that they have made some mistakes that they would have done differently if they could do it again but SOE didn't even seem to care that the PVP was totally inbalanced and broken. I had to reroll characters in Vanguard because several classes were completely useless for PVP.
No I do not think that PVE is better in other MMORPGs when watching my character stand still and create floating numbers coming from a monster as I rotate through the same spells and skills over and over again. Mob AI is important to me and so is not seeing red circles floating around dangerous monsters or floating names and numbers. In Darkfall mobs actually have senses. They heal eachother and drink potions and hide behind things and can be controlled by GMs.
I am sorry that you haven't played Darkfall enough to know this but Skyrim's combat totally sucks compared to Darkfall's. I am totally in love with all of the Elder Scroll games and they are actually my favorite when it comes to single-player RPGs and enjoy them much more than most people seem to. Since Skyrim has come out though I have found myself logging into Darkfall more often because its really made me appreciate it more. My Skyrim character is pretty noob and I have only spent about 60 hours playing it so far (thats not a lot in that game because its so cool) but I find myself logging into Darkfall instead. Why is that? Well you would have to play Darkfall long enough to have your controls fully customized to understand that but basically it comes down to the combat being much funner . ... even the PVE combat is better in Darkfall because in Skyrim you cannot customize your controls as much and are forced to only use 8 buttons for your favorite spells/skills and often pause the game during combat to do things like drink a dozen potions. The quests and how you permanently change things in Skyrim are better than Darkfall but thats about it besides being able to remove the clothing of dead women and position them in naughty positions before raising their corpses to serve you (I love that game lol).
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